For those who write web pages there is no equal to Bluefish:

https://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html

When I say "web pages" I mean standard HTML/CSS and not the
ecmascript bullshit that dominates large portions of the web.

But check this:

"But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
and the OXS installer is out of date."

Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
on GNU/Linux only.

In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.

I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.

Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:

>"But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
>and the OXS installer is out of date."
>
>Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
>such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
>on GNU/Linux only.
>
>In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>
>I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.

You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
major target for development, you are retarded.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 9/18/2024 2:38 PM, Joel wrote:
> Lameass Larry Piet wrote:
>
>> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
>> and the OXS installer is out of date."
>>
>> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
>> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
>> on GNU/Linux only.
>>
>> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>>
>> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
>
>
> You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
> major target for development, you are retarded.

His "software" is crappy little bash scripts that call the real thing:
netpbm and dcraw and ImageMagick and libtiff, etc.

More than likely, he just steals scripts from Fred Winehaus

http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/index.php

"All software is free" - Feeb May 2020

"I couldn't care less about the 'community.'" - Feeb Feb 2019

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 9/18/2024 2:38 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Lameass Larry Piet wrote:
>>
>>> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
>>> and the OXS installer is out of date."
>>>
>>> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
>>> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
>>> on GNU/Linux only.
>>>
>>> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>>> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>>> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>>>
>>> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
>>
>> You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
>> major target for development, you are retarded.
>
>His "software" is crappy little bash scripts that call the real thing:
>netpbm and dcraw and ImageMagick and libtiff, etc.
>
>
>More than likely, he just steals scripts from Fred Winehaus
>
>http://www.fmwconcepts.com/imagemagick/index.php
>
>
>
>"All software is free" - Feeb May 2020
>
>"I couldn't care less about the 'community.'" - Feeb Feb 2019

You even as the Wintroll you present yourself as here are better to
the community, than he is.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-18, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

> Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
>
>> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
>> and the OXS installer is out of date."
>>
>> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
>> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
>> on GNU/Linux only.
>>
>> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>>
>> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
>
> You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
> major target for development, you are retarded.

On the other hand, someone who does make software has posted this
manifesto. He does work with Apple products as well as Linux,
but his feelings about M$ are pretty clear:

https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | They don't understand Microsoft
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | has stolen their car and parked
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | a taxi in their driveway.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | -- Mayayana

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 20:10:47 GMT
Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:

> On 2024-09-18, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
> >
> >> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
> >> and the OXS installer is out of date."
> >>
> >> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
> >> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
> >> on GNU/Linux only.
> >>
> >> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
> >> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
> >> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
> >>
> >> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
> >
> > You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
> > major target for development, you are retarded.
>
> On the other hand, someone who does make software has posted this
> manifesto. He does work with Apple products as well as Linux,
> but his feelings about M$ are pretty clear:
>
> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>
He doesn't like my olde browser, that's for sure (403)
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 9/18/2024 4:10 PM, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> On 2024-09-18, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Diego Garcia <dg@chaos.rocks> wrote:
>>
>>> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
>>> and the OXS installer is out of date."
>>>
>>> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
>>> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
>>> on GNU/Linux only.
>>>
>>> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>>> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>>> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>>>
>>> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
>>
>> You don't make software, and you are wrong, M$/Apple platforms are a
>> major target for development, you are retarded.
>
> On the other hand, someone who does make software has posted this
> manifesto. He does work with Apple products as well as Linux,
> but his feelings about M$ are pretty clear:
>
> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html

What a joke.

Jamie Zawinski is forever butthurt because Microsoft gave away a browser
and hurt his company?

I didn't see the little whiner babbling about the revolting Wretched
Richard Stallman, who said:

"We will give them the Free software so your non-free software willfail"

The petulant Stallman (and a few other FOSS ninnies) would decimate the
commercial software industry if they had their way. Erase several
hundred thousands of jobs and $billions and $billions from the GDP all
because they can't have your code. What loons.

MS is doomed (to generate over $200B in revenue this fiscal year)

Adobe is doomed (to generate nearly $20B in revenue this fiscal year)

On Wed, 9/18/2024 11:44 AM, Diego Garcia wrote:
> For those who write web pages there is no equal to Bluefish:
>
> https://bluefish.openoffice.nl/index.html
>
> When I say "web pages" I mean standard HTML/CSS and not the
> ecmascript bullshit that dominates large portions of the web.
>
> But check this:
>
> "But we need your help! There is nobody looking after the windows installer
> and the OXS installer is out of date."
>
> Oh boo hoo hoo. Big fucking deal. Microslop/Apphole does not deserve
> such a magnificent tag editor so just let those ports languish. Concentrate
> on GNU/Linux only.
>
> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>
> I certainly do not make my software available to Microslop/Apphole.
>

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/rmcdG3dh/That-Ship-Has-Already-Sailed.gif

*******

It used to be, the battlefield was the applications.

Today, the battlefield is the operating system.

Microsoft has hired Poettering. Why ?

When Microsoft did WSL2 and WSLg, the graphics stack (pretty complicaated
and includes Terminal Services), that went from stuttering to smoother
in only a week or so. The tuneup interval; was extremely fast.
it hints that there is a crack team (not the usual
level of doofus) working on their Linux efforts.

When Microsoft "donates" a fully function NTFS driver to kernel.org,
what is Linus going to do ?

I fired up a Ubuntu 24.04.1 USB stick the other day, was attempting
to use file sharing, when all of a sudden, a dialog appears on the
screen "informing me of the windows permissions on the share". I
was gob-struck. Since when does Linux do stuff like that ? That
crosses the line, and tells me that Canonical is now Microsofts Bitch.
Right after that, I booted my Linux Mint USB stick, and no such dialog
appeared and I was able to access the storage in question, with no
dialogs of that sort appearing. So at least Linux Mint has not fallen for
this trite approach.

By doing that, Ubuntu is now on my "stuck-off" list. Not to be used any more.
That (finally) crossed the line.

That is the beachhead. Embrace and Extend. The rot is now visible
for all to see. And Microsoft has the money, the deep pockets,
that others adopting Linux, did not have. Nothing will really
stand in their way, from a business perspective. They can shovel
coal underneath that, until it's well and truly burned to a crisp.

*******

Now, enjoy your editor and... go back to sleep.

Paul

On 18/09/2024 16:44, Diego Garcia wrote:
>
>
> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>
>

Some of us have to earn a living and so we'll stick with Microsoft's VS
Code. It is far better than any of your crap posted here.

Just launch VS code and type ! followed by a tab and voila you get a
very good standards compliant HTML template to get started.

On 2024-09-19, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> I fired up a Ubuntu 24.04.1 USB stick the other day, was attempting
> to use file sharing, when all of a sudden, a dialog appears on the
> screen "informing me of the windows permissions on the share". I
> was gob-struck. Since when does Linux do stuff like that ? That
> crosses the line, and tells me that Canonical is now Microsofts Bitch.
> Right after that, I booted my Linux Mint USB stick, and no such dialog
> appeared and I was able to access the storage in question, with no
> dialogs of that sort appearing. So at least Linux Mint has not fallen for
> this trite approach.
>
> By doing that, Ubuntu is now on my "stuck-off" list. Not to be used any more.
> That (finally) crossed the line.
>
> That is the beachhead. Embrace and Extend.

Or, as some put it: "Embrace, extend, extinguish."

--
/~\ Charlie Gibbs | Microsoft is not a necessary evil.
\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Microsoft is not necessary.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | -- Ted Nelson, paraphrased (the
/ \ if you read it the right way. | villain back then was IBM)

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 15:44:33 +0000, Diego Garcia wrote:

> ... ecmascript bullshit ...

I do hand-crafted “ecmascript bullshit” and CSS. And my HTML is generated
dynamically from high-level Python and other languages. Because I write
actual online intranet applications, not plain static web pages that are
basically just glorified paper documents.

On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:30:56 -0400, DFS wrote:

> The petulant Stallman (and a few other FOSS ninnies) would decimate the
> commercial software industry if they had their way.

Boo hoo. Does the proprietary software world owe you a living?

On 19/09/2024 01:12, Paul wrote:
> The rot is now visible
> for all to see. And Microsoft has the money, the deep pockets,
> that others adopting Linux, did not have. Nothing will really
> stand in their way, from a business perspective. They can shovel
> coal underneath that, until it's well and truly burned to a crisp.

Like their mobile phone software eh?

--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

Linux User wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 18/09/2024 16:44, Diego Garcia wrote:
>>
>> In fact, all FOSS programmers should withhold their software from
>> Microslop/Apphole and deliver GNU/Linux versions only. In this way,
>> more people will be forced to use GNU/Linux.
>
> Some of us have to earn a living and so we'll stick with Microsoft's VS
> Code. It is far better than any of your crap posted here.

:-D

Bash, cdargs, vim or emacs, make or meson. No need for VS Code.

> Just launch VS code and type ! followed by a tab and voila you get a
> very good standards compliant HTML template to get started.

Ah, a <laughing> HTML developer <more laughing>.

Or you can write one yourself, get it exactly the way you want, and
make a copy for a new project.

And you will learn something along the way!

I *hate* editors that diddle with your code.

--
Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what
is good or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will.
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:30:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> The petulant Stallman (and a few other FOSS ninnies) would decimate the
>> commercial software industry if they had their way.
>
> Boo hoo. Does the proprietary software world owe you a living?

The list of free software actively used in the developer world is vast.

DFS is a Microsoft Luddite.

--
Planet Claire has pink hair.
All the trees are red.
No one ever dies there.
No one has a head....

On Thu, 9/19/2024 7:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/09/2024 01:12, Paul wrote:
>> The rot is now visible
>> for all to see. And Microsoft has the money, the deep pockets,
>> that others adopting Linux, did not have. Nothing will really
>> stand in their way, from a business perspective. They can shovel
>> coal underneath that, until it's well and truly burned to a crisp.
>
> Like their mobile phone software eh?
>

They don't have to be good at anything.

They always seem to end up with a pile of money.

There are all sorts of theories as to how Linux
is "impervious to assault". I'm not so sure.
It will depend on the community to save it.

Paul

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 02:54:02 +0000, Linux User wrote:

>
> Some of us have to earn a living and so we'll stick with Microsoft's VS
> Code. It is far better than any of your crap posted here.
>

People actually earn a living writing Mickey-Mouse HTML/CSS?
Whew! It's a weird world indeed.

>
> Just launch VS code and type ! followed by a tab and voila you get a
> very good standards compliant HTML template to get started.
>

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

You have just revealed that you could not hand code a web page
if your life depended on it. Rather you need Momma Microsoft
to hold your hand as you cross that busy, busting street.

Anyone who employs an incompetent loser like you should consider
termination -- but the HTML/CSS world is chock full of total
incompetents like you.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 06:47:39 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

>
> I do hand-crafted “ecmascript bullshit” and CSS. And my HTML is generated
> dynamically from high-level Python and other languages. Because I write
> actual online intranet applications, not plain static web pages that are
> basically just glorified paper documents.
>

Plain static web pages are what the web was originally designed for.
They will remain viable forever while ecmascript endures its ever increasing
race to the bottom.

Intranet applications are the most twisted attempt to "shoe horn"
functionality into a medium that was never intended to be functional.
They are nothing more than a cheap bastardization.

--
Systemd: solving all the problems that you never knew you had.

Lester Thorpe <lt@gnu.rocks> wrote:
>On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 02:54:02 +0000, Linux User wrote:
>
>> Some of us have to earn a living and so we'll stick with Microsoft's VS
>> Code. It is far better than any of your crap posted here.
>
>People actually earn a living writing Mickey-Mouse HTML/CSS?
>Whew! It's a weird world indeed.
>
>> Just launch VS code and type ! followed by a tab and voila you get a
>> very good standards compliant HTML template to get started.
>
>Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
>
>You have just revealed that you could not hand code a web page
>if your life depended on it. Rather you need Momma Microsoft
>to hold your hand as you cross that busy, busting street.
>
>Anyone who employs an incompetent loser like you should consider
>termination -- but the HTML/CSS world is chock full of total
>incompetents like you.

And yet, your computer sucks.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 08:53:37 -0400, Paul wrote:

> There are all sorts of theories as to how Linux is "impervious to
> assault". I'm not so sure.

Microsoft started out trying “extinguish” (remember “Linux is a cancer”?),
and failed miserably. Now it is forced to try to make Windows more
compatible with Linux.

> They always seem to end up with a pile of money.

Windows isn’t quite as profitable as it once was. Exhibit A: declining
quality of updates, with further patches often needed to fix bugs in prior
patches. Exhibit B: trying to move to an adware/rentware model, to squeeze
more revenue out of it.

Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an
operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows
existence as it is known today.

OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no
one remembers it.

clinker <azigni@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an
>operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows
>existence as it is known today.
>
>OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
>proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no
>one remembers it.

Windows and Linux each have ongoing markets for themselves, as does
Apple, sure something else can crop up but it's reinventing the wheel
at some point, what Linux shows in how it got its name is that one
person can make a kernel if he has the window of opportunity -
Torvalds may have thought of it more as a personal project with the
new hardware, at first, but it turned into the real thing. Really a
genius guy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 9/19/2024 8:23 PM, clinker wrote:
> Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows existence as it is known today.
>
> OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no one remembers it.

Writing OSes isn't much of a barrier.

Convincing people to use them, and selling the
OS to the populace, is a lot harder.

A round figure for an OS, is about $150,000,000 will
get you an OS. A file manager. And a calculator :-)
What more do you need, really. The calculator has
to have tiny characters for the keys, and gobs of
white space. See ? I can even write the requirement
spec for you.

Paul

On 19/09/2024 13:53, Paul wrote:
> On Thu, 9/19/2024 7:07 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/09/2024 01:12, Paul wrote:
>>> The rot is now visible
>>> for all to see. And Microsoft has the money, the deep pockets,
>>> that others adopting Linux, did not have. Nothing will really
>>> stand in their way, from a business perspective. They can shovel
>>> coal underneath that, until it's well and truly burned to a crisp.
>>
>> Like their mobile phone software eh?
>>
>
> They don't have to be good at anything.
>
> They always seem to end up with a pile of money.
>
> There are all sorts of theories as to how Linux
> is "impervious to assault". I'm not so sure.
> It will depend on the community to save it.
>
The community is largely funded by corporations who themselves decided
they would rather pay to have a 'free' Linux, than pay to have Unix or
Microsoft licences on every product. IBM et all pay millions into Linux
development

The IBM PC set the standard - it was published and everyone copied it.
Result was an industry standard architecture.

If Linux had existed we would never have had DOS

People don't want to pay for operating systems any more. The *only*
place Microsoft hangs on is the desktop, and desktop sales are now more
or less commercial. Not many average dudes buy a desktop when they can
have a fondleslab or a big fuck off 'rob me' mobile phone...

Only hardcore gamers

Nothing of any real significance has come out of Microsoft for ages.

It is really a cash cow now. It will dwindle and get sold off. Gates has
his billions.

> Paul
>

--
Gun Control: The law that ensures that only criminals have guns.

On 20/09/2024 01:23, clinker wrote:
> Not to derail this thread, which is a good one, but it is possible an
> operating system will be developed that threaten both Linux and Windows
> existence as it is known today.
>
most things are *possible*

> OS2 had a good run for example. It is still alive and well in some
> proprietary industrial equipment because it is impervious to hacks as no
> one remembers it.

DOS is still used in a lot of industrial kit ...When all you want is to
load a single tasked application that talks to custom hardware...

There is evidence that Linux itself is getting bloated, and in need of
the same 'back to basics' approach that Linus dud 30 years ago.

There is certainly space for something like FreeRTOS to make headway in
the embedded space.

But the thing is, again from my perspective, as a user, not a developer
of operating systems, is that what you want - and IBM, Red Hat etc
understand this - is a reliable secure bug free platform on which to
write applications that is easily ported to whatever hardware is available.

And in that context 30 years of development beats a new kid on the block
every day.
The reason we don't like Windows is because it costs money at every
turn, and is there to screw the last red cent out of its users. A new
windows would flop. Indeed the old windows is flopping.

It shows all the characteristics of a cash cow company - everything is
monetized.

Linux is like C. It has its issues, but everyone understands them
everyone can program in it and it works well enough. And it doesn't need
licenses to be paid to use it.

And sometimes its easier to fix bugs in it than to rewrite it in Rust etc.

--
For in reason, all government without the consent of the governed is the
very definition of slavery.

Jonathan Swift