'Harris told ACLU in 2019 she supports cuts to ICE funding and providing
gender transition surgery to detained migrants'

<https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09/politics/kfile-harris-pledged-support-in-2019-to-cut-ice-funding-and-provide-transgender-surgery-to-detained-migrants/index.html>

'
As Kamala Harris pivots to the political center in her campaign for
president, a 2019 questionnaire from a leading civil rights organization
spotlights her past support for left-wing causes such as taxpayer-funded
gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal
prisoners.

In an American Civil Liberties Union questionnaire then-Sen. Harris
filled out as a candidate for president in 2020, she also expressed
support for decriminalizing federal drug possession for personal use,
and for sweeping reductions to Immigration and Custom
Enforcement operations, including drastic cuts in ICE funding and an
open-ended pledge to “end” immigration detention.

The questionnaire has received scant media attention and a spokesperson
for the ACLU claimed it had remained live from 2019.

But the ACLU’s website upload and page source indicate the questionnaire
was reposted last month after Harris became the presumptive Democratic
nominee. CNN was unable to find questionnaires filled out by other
candidates from the 2020 campaign that the ACLU had reposted.

Harris has acknowledged that some of her stances have evolved over time
but that she holds core beliefs that remain unshakable: “My values have
not changed,” she said in an interview with CNN last month.

The ACLU questionnaire, which was sent  to all Democratic and Republican
candidates during the 2020 presidential campaign, provides a clear
record of Harris’ progressive stances. Some candidates did not respond
to the questionnaire, including Joe Biden. The ACLU later ran radio ads
attacking Biden for not answering.

The ACLU also had volunteers question candidates at public town halls
and later posted videos on their website of their responses.

During one town hall event in New Hampshire in April 2019, Harris was
asked by a voter if she supports adding a “third gender” to federal
identification cards.

“Sure,” Harris answered to a round of applause from the crowd. “I have
my entire life and career been an ally and I see the issue of LGBTQ
rights as a fundamental civil rights and human rights issue, period,”
Harris said.

In her response, Harris also attacked the Trump administration’s efforts
to ban transgender troops in the military, calling it “outrageous.”

Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Vice President Kamala Harris are interviewed
by CNN’s Dana Bash at Kim’s Cafe in Savannah, Georgia, on August 29,
2024. This is the first time Harris has sat with a journalist for an
in-depth, on-the-record conversation since President Joe Biden ended his
presidential bid in July.
Related article
READ: Harris and Walz’s exclusive joint interview with CNN
“These are people who have decided they are willing to sacrifice and
serve for the sake of our democracy and our freedom, and you’re going to
kick them out of the military?” Harris said.

The ACLU told CNN it doesn’t plan on sending Harris a new questionnaire
this election.

The Harris campaign did not answer questions from CNN on whether she
continued to support these positions and instead provided a statement
attributable only to an unnamed “Harris campaign advisor” saying, “The
Vice President’s positions have been shaped by three years of effective
governance as part of the Biden-Harris Administration.”

They declined to elaborate on what her positions were.

They also provided a comment attributed to a Harris campaign
spokesperson saying, “As President, she will take that same pragmatic
approach, focusing on common-sense solutions for the sake of progress.”

Immigration
Harris’ starkest contrast to her current positions might be her new
tough immigration rhetoric versus what she told the ACLU.

When asked about criminal justice reform on the questionnaire, she wrote
she would end immigration detention facilities (along with private
prisons). Harris also said she supported decreasing funding for ICE.

“Our immigrant detention system is out of control, and I believe we must
end the unfair incarceration of thousands of individuals, families and
children,” Harris wrote. “I was one of the first Senators after
President Trump was elected to advocate for a decrease in funding to
ICE.”

Harris appears to be citing her efforts in 2017 to oppose increased ICE
funding under Trump.

Harris wrote that in 2018 she had introduced the Detention Oversight,
Not Expansion (DONE) Act to, “increase oversight of Immigration and
Customs Enforcement detention facilities, slash detention by at least
50%, and halt funding for the construction or expansion of new
facilities.”

Harris also pledged to end the use of ICE detainers – requests by ICE to
local or state law enforcement to hold an individual up to 48 hours
beyond their release time so ICE can take them into custody for possible
deportation.

Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban
and her daughter Roxanna Gozzer, as they visit the outside of a
detention center for migrant children on June 28, 2019 in Homestead,
Florida.
Sens. Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban and
her daughter Roxanna Gozzer as they visit the outside of a detention
center for migrant children on June 28, 2019, in Homestead, Florida. Joe
Raedle/Getty Images/File
During the Trump administration, ICE aggressively targeted undocumented
immigrants, including asylum seekers, for detention and deportation.
Under the administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, ICE expanded its use
of detention centers, conducted more workplace raids and increased
arrests of undocumented immigrants without criminal records.

The Biden-Harris administration continued to issue detainer requests,
but the rate fell sharply in the months after the January 2021
inauguration, according to data from Syracuse University.

Harris also noted that as California attorney general, she had issued
guidance saying local law enforcement would not have to comply with such
detainers.

“As president, I will focus enforcement on increasing public safety, not
tearing apart immigrant families. This includes requiring ICE to obtain
a warrant where probable cause exists as to end the use of detainers,”
she wrote.

ICE had clashed with many so-called sanctuary cities that limited their
cooperation during Trump’s presidency. In response, the Trump
administration attempted to withhold certain federal grants and
increased efforts to bypass local authorities to detain and deport
undocumented immigrants.

As San Francisco district attorney, Harris supported immigrant rights by
defending the city’s sanctuary status, stating at the time, “We are a
sanctuary city, a city of refuge, and we always will be.”

However, Harris also backed a policy that turned over undocumented
juvenile immigrants to federal authorities if they were arrested for
suspected felonies, regardless of conviction.

As California attorney general, Harris targeted criminal gangs that
operated across the US-Mexico border. She also expressed support for
undocumented immigrants deemed not to pose a public safety threat, and
opposed Obama-era policies that could send non-criminal undocumented
immigrants into deportation proceedings.

Transgender rights
Harris also wrote that she supported taxpayer funding of gender
transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal prisoners.

Harris was asked if, as president, she would use “executive authority to
ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for
medical care – including those in prison and immigration detention –
will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender
transition, including all necessary surgical care.”

Harris replied, “Yes.”

“It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for
care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment
associated with gender transition,” Harris wrote in a reply expanding on
her answer. “That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California
Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender
transition surgery to state inmates,” she wrote.

Harris explained that she supported granting prisoners and detainees
access to “surgical care” for gender transition.

“Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all
federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to
deliver transition treatment,” she wrote.

Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco.
Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco. Justin
Sullivan/Getty Images/File
The first-ever gender-affirming surgery in federal prison occurred only
recently in 2022 after years of legal battles.

Harris’ answer marked a change from her previous position as California
attorney general, when she defended the California Department of
Corrections’ attempts to deny gender transition surgery.

In article <ucgbej9c8ggaq48in9apouirv1nhero7ok@4ax.com>,
smythlejon2@hotmail.com says...
>
> 'Harris told ACLU in 2019 she supports cuts to ICE funding and providing
> gender transition surgery to detained migrants'
>
> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09/politics/kfile-harris-pledged-support-in-2019-to-cut-ice-funding-and-provide-transgender-surgery-to-detained-migrants/index.html>
>
> '
> As Kamala Harris pivots to the political center in her campaign for
> president, a 2019 questionnaire from a leading civil rights organization
> spotlights her past support for left-wing causes such as taxpayer-funded
> gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal
> prisoners.
>
> In an American Civil Liberties Union questionnaire then-Sen. Harris
> filled out as a candidate for president in 2020, she also expressed
> support for decriminalizing federal drug possession for personal use,
> and for sweeping reductions to Immigration and Custom
> Enforcement operations, including drastic cuts in ICE funding and an
> open-ended pledge to ?end? immigration detention.
>
> The questionnaire has received scant media attention and a spokesperson
> for the ACLU claimed it had remained live from 2019.
>
> But the ACLU?s website upload and page source indicate the questionnaire
> was reposted last month after Harris became the presumptive Democratic
> nominee. CNN was unable to find questionnaires filled out by other
> candidates from the 2020 campaign that the ACLU had reposted.
>
> Harris has acknowledged that some of her stances have evolved over time
> but that she holds core beliefs that remain unshakable: ?My values have
> not changed,? she said in an interview with CNN last month.
>
> The ACLU questionnaire, which was sent  to all Democratic and Republican
> candidates during the 2020 presidential campaign, provides a clear
> record of Harris? progressive stances. Some candidates did not respond
> to the questionnaire, including Joe Biden. The ACLU later ran radio ads
> attacking Biden for not answering.
>
> The ACLU also had volunteers question candidates at public town halls
> and later posted videos on their website of their responses.
>
> During one town hall event in New Hampshire in April 2019, Harris was
> asked by a voter if she supports adding a ?third gender? to federal
> identification cards.
>
> ?Sure,? Harris answered to a round of applause from the crowd. ?I have
> my entire life and career been an ally and I see the issue of LGBTQ
> rights as a fundamental civil rights and human rights issue, period,?
> Harris said.
>
> In her response, Harris also attacked the Trump administration?s efforts
> to ban transgender troops in the military, calling it ?outrageous.?
>
> Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Vice President Kamala Harris are interviewed
> by CNN?s Dana Bash at Kim?s Cafe in Savannah, Georgia, on August 29,
> 2024. This is the first time Harris has sat with a journalist for an
> in-depth, on-the-record conversation since President Joe Biden ended his
> presidential bid in July.
> Related article
> READ: Harris and Walz?s exclusive joint interview with CNN
> ?These are people who have decided they are willing to sacrifice and
> serve for the sake of our democracy and our freedom, and you?re going to
> kick them out of the military?? Harris said.
>
> The ACLU told CNN it doesn?t plan on sending Harris a new questionnaire
> this election.
>
> The Harris campaign did not answer questions from CNN on whether she
> continued to support these positions and instead provided a statement
> attributable only to an unnamed ?Harris campaign advisor? saying, ?The
> Vice President?s positions have been shaped by three years of effective
> governance as part of the Biden-Harris Administration.?
>
> They declined to elaborate on what her positions were.
>
> They also provided a comment attributed to a Harris campaign
> spokesperson saying, ?As President, she will take that same pragmatic
> approach, focusing on common-sense solutions for the sake of progress.?
>
> Immigration
> Harris? starkest contrast to her current positions might be her new
> tough immigration rhetoric versus what she told the ACLU.
>
> When asked about criminal justice reform on the questionnaire, she wrote
> she would end immigration detention facilities (along with private
> prisons). Harris also said she supported decreasing funding for ICE.
>
> ?Our immigrant detention system is out of control, and I believe we must
> end the unfair incarceration of thousands of individuals, families and
> children,? Harris wrote. ?I was one of the first Senators after
> President Trump was elected to advocate for a decrease in funding to
> ICE.?
>
> Harris appears to be citing her efforts in 2017 to oppose increased ICE
> funding under Trump.
>
> Harris wrote that in 2018 she had introduced the Detention Oversight,
> Not Expansion (DONE) Act to, ?increase oversight of Immigration and
> Customs Enforcement detention facilities, slash detention by at least
> 50%, and halt funding for the construction or expansion of new
> facilities.?
>
> Harris also pledged to end the use of ICE detainers ? requests by ICE to
> local or state law enforcement to hold an individual up to 48 hours
> beyond their release time so ICE can take them into custody for possible
> deportation.
>
> Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban
> and her daughter Roxanna Gozzer, as they visit the outside of a
> detention center for migrant children on June 28, 2019 in Homestead,
> Florida.
> Sens. Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban and
> her daughter Roxanna Gozzer as they visit the outside of a detention
> center for migrant children on June 28, 2019, in Homestead, Florida. Joe
> Raedle/Getty Images/File
> During the Trump administration, ICE aggressively targeted undocumented
> immigrants, including asylum seekers, for detention and deportation.
> Under the administration?s ?zero tolerance? policy, ICE expanded its use
> of detention centers, conducted more workplace raids and increased
> arrests of undocumented immigrants without criminal records.
>
> The Biden-Harris administration continued to issue detainer requests,
> but the rate fell sharply in the months after the January 2021
> inauguration, according to data from Syracuse University.
>
> Harris also noted that as California attorney general, she had issued
> guidance saying local law enforcement would not have to comply with such
> detainers.
>
> ?As president, I will focus enforcement on increasing public safety, not
> tearing apart immigrant families. This includes requiring ICE to obtain
> a warrant where probable cause exists as to end the use of detainers,?
> she wrote.
>
> ICE had clashed with many so-called sanctuary cities that limited their
> cooperation during Trump?s presidency. In response, the Trump
> administration attempted to withhold certain federal grants and
> increased efforts to bypass local authorities to detain and deport
> undocumented immigrants.
>
> As San Francisco district attorney, Harris supported immigrant rights by
> defending the city?s sanctuary status, stating at the time, ?We are a
> sanctuary city, a city of refuge, and we always will be.?
>
> However, Harris also backed a policy that turned over undocumented
> juvenile immigrants to federal authorities if they were arrested for
> suspected felonies, regardless of conviction.
>
> As California attorney general, Harris targeted criminal gangs that
> operated across the US-Mexico border. She also expressed support for
> undocumented immigrants deemed not to pose a public safety threat, and
> opposed Obama-era policies that could send non-criminal undocumented
> immigrants into deportation proceedings.
>
> Transgender rights
> Harris also wrote that she supported taxpayer funding of gender
> transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal prisoners.
>
> Harris was asked if, as president, she would use ?executive authority to
> ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for
> medical care ? including those in prison and immigration detention ?
> will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender
> transition, including all necessary surgical care.?
>
> Harris replied, ?Yes.?
>
> ?It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for
> care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment
> associated with gender transition,? Harris wrote in a reply expanding on
> her answer. ?That?s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California
> Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender
> transition surgery to state inmates,? she wrote.
>
> Harris explained that she supported granting prisoners and detainees
> access to ?surgical care? for gender transition.
>
> ?Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all
> federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to
> deliver transition treatment,? she wrote.
>
> Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
> SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco.
> Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
> SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco. Justin
> Sullivan/Getty Images/File
> The first-ever gender-affirming surgery in federal prison occurred only
> recently in 2022 after years of legal battles.
>
> Harris? answer marked a change from her previous position as California
> attorney general, when she defended the California Department of
> Corrections? attempts to deny gender transition surgery.
>
> While running for president in 2019, Harris faced criticism over that
> previous position.
>
> At a news conference and later a LGBTQ forum that year, Harris said
> defending the policy was ?contrary to my beliefs? but she was obligated
> to defend policy while she ?worked behind the scenes? to change it.
>
> Drugs
> Harris also indicated she supported the decriminalization of all drug
> possession for personal use.
>
> While Harris indicated she supported drug legalization, her answer
> focused solely on marijuana, citing her co-sponsorship of the Marijuana
> Justice Act, which sought to legalize federal marijuana.
>
> She explained that drug use should be treated as a public health issue
> rather than a criminal one.
>
> ?Throughout my career, I have supported treating drug addiction as a
> public health issue, focusing on rehabilitation over incarceration for
> drug-related offenses,? she wrote.
>
> During her 2019 campaign, Harris admitted to smoking marijuana in the
> past in calling for its legalization.'

In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
novalidemail@toss.net says...
> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>

She lied.

John Smyth wrote:
> 'Harris told ACLU in 2019 she supports cuts to ICE funding and providing
> gender transition surgery to detained migrants'
>
> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/09/politics/kfile-harris-pledged-support-in-2019-to-cut-ice-funding-and-provide-transgender-surgery-to-detained-migrants/index.html>
>
> '
> As Kamala Harris pivots to the political center in her campaign for
> president, a 2019 questionnaire from a leading civil rights organization
> spotlights her past support for left-wing causes such as taxpayer-funded
> gender transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal
> prisoners.
>
> In an American Civil Liberties Union questionnaire then-Sen. Harris
> filled out as a candidate for president in 2020, she also expressed
> support for decriminalizing federal drug possession for personal use,
> and for sweeping reductions to Immigration and Custom
> Enforcement operations, including drastic cuts in ICE funding and an
> open-ended pledge to “end” immigration detention.
>
> The questionnaire has received scant media attention and a spokesperson
> for the ACLU claimed it had remained live from 2019.
>
> But the ACLU’s website upload and page source indicate the questionnaire
> was reposted last month after Harris became the presumptive Democratic
> nominee. CNN was unable to find questionnaires filled out by other
> candidates from the 2020 campaign that the ACLU had reposted.
>
> Harris has acknowledged that some of her stances have evolved over time
> but that she holds core beliefs that remain unshakable: “My values have
> not changed,” she said in an interview with CNN last month.
>
> The ACLU questionnaire, which was sent  to all Democratic and Republican
> candidates during the 2020 presidential campaign, provides a clear
> record of Harris’ progressive stances. Some candidates did not respond
> to the questionnaire, including Joe Biden. The ACLU later ran radio ads
> attacking Biden for not answering.
>
> The ACLU also had volunteers question candidates at public town halls
> and later posted videos on their website of their responses.
>
> During one town hall event in New Hampshire in April 2019, Harris was
> asked by a voter if she supports adding a “third gender” to federal
> identification cards.
>
> “Sure,” Harris answered to a round of applause from the crowd. “I have
> my entire life and career been an ally and I see the issue of LGBTQ
> rights as a fundamental civil rights and human rights issue, period,”
> Harris said.
>
> In her response, Harris also attacked the Trump administration’s efforts
> to ban transgender troops in the military, calling it “outrageous.”
>
> Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz and Vice President Kamala Harris are interviewed
> by CNN’s Dana Bash at Kim’s Cafe in Savannah, Georgia, on August 29,
> 2024. This is the first time Harris has sat with a journalist for an
> in-depth, on-the-record conversation since President Joe Biden ended his
> presidential bid in July.
> Related article
> READ: Harris and Walz’s exclusive joint interview with CNN
> “These are people who have decided they are willing to sacrifice and
> serve for the sake of our democracy and our freedom, and you’re going to
> kick them out of the military?” Harris said.
>
> The ACLU told CNN it doesn’t plan on sending Harris a new questionnaire
> this election.
>
> The Harris campaign did not answer questions from CNN on whether she
> continued to support these positions and instead provided a statement
> attributable only to an unnamed “Harris campaign advisor” saying, “The
> Vice President’s positions have been shaped by three years of effective
> governance as part of the Biden-Harris Administration.”
>
> They declined to elaborate on what her positions were.
>
> They also provided a comment attributed to a Harris campaign
> spokesperson saying, “As President, she will take that same pragmatic
> approach, focusing on common-sense solutions for the sake of progress.”
>
> Immigration
> Harris’ starkest contrast to her current positions might be her new
> tough immigration rhetoric versus what she told the ACLU.
>
> When asked about criminal justice reform on the questionnaire, she wrote
> she would end immigration detention facilities (along with private
> prisons). Harris also said she supported decreasing funding for ICE.
>
> “Our immigrant detention system is out of control, and I believe we must
> end the unfair incarceration of thousands of individuals, families and
> children,” Harris wrote. “I was one of the first Senators after
> President Trump was elected to advocate for a decrease in funding to
> ICE.”
>
> Harris appears to be citing her efforts in 2017 to oppose increased ICE
> funding under Trump.
>
> Harris wrote that in 2018 she had introduced the Detention Oversight,
> Not Expansion (DONE) Act to, “increase oversight of Immigration and
> Customs Enforcement detention facilities, slash detention by at least
> 50%, and halt funding for the construction or expansion of new
> facilities.”
>
> Harris also pledged to end the use of ICE detainers – requests by ICE to
> local or state law enforcement to hold an individual up to 48 hours
> beyond their release time so ICE can take them into custody for possible
> deportation.
>
> Sen. Kamala Harris and Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban
> and her daughter Roxanna Gozzer, as they visit the outside of a
> detention center for migrant children on June 28, 2019 in Homestead,
> Florida.
> Sens. Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand speak with Lili Montalban and
> her daughter Roxanna Gozzer as they visit the outside of a detention
> center for migrant children on June 28, 2019, in Homestead, Florida. Joe
> Raedle/Getty Images/File
> During the Trump administration, ICE aggressively targeted undocumented
> immigrants, including asylum seekers, for detention and deportation.
> Under the administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, ICE expanded its use
> of detention centers, conducted more workplace raids and increased
> arrests of undocumented immigrants without criminal records.
>
> The Biden-Harris administration continued to issue detainer requests,
> but the rate fell sharply in the months after the January 2021
> inauguration, according to data from Syracuse University.
>
> Harris also noted that as California attorney general, she had issued
> guidance saying local law enforcement would not have to comply with such
> detainers.
>
> “As president, I will focus enforcement on increasing public safety, not
> tearing apart immigrant families. This includes requiring ICE to obtain
> a warrant where probable cause exists as to end the use of detainers,”
> she wrote.
>
> ICE had clashed with many so-called sanctuary cities that limited their
> cooperation during Trump’s presidency. In response, the Trump
> administration attempted to withhold certain federal grants and
> increased efforts to bypass local authorities to detain and deport
> undocumented immigrants.
>
> As San Francisco district attorney, Harris supported immigrant rights by
> defending the city’s sanctuary status, stating at the time, “We are a
> sanctuary city, a city of refuge, and we always will be.”
>
> However, Harris also backed a policy that turned over undocumented
> juvenile immigrants to federal authorities if they were arrested for
> suspected felonies, regardless of conviction.
>
> As California attorney general, Harris targeted criminal gangs that
> operated across the US-Mexico border. She also expressed support for
> undocumented immigrants deemed not to pose a public safety threat, and
> opposed Obama-era policies that could send non-criminal undocumented
> immigrants into deportation proceedings.
>
> Transgender rights
> Harris also wrote that she supported taxpayer funding of gender
> transition surgeries for detained immigrants and federal prisoners.
>
> Harris was asked if, as president, she would use “executive authority to
> ensure that transgender and non-binary people who rely on the state for
> medical care – including those in prison and immigration detention –
> will have access to comprehensive treatment associated with gender
> transition, including all necessary surgical care.”
>
> Harris replied, “Yes.”
>
> “It is important that transgender individuals who rely on the state for
> care receive the treatment they need, which includes access to treatment
> associated with gender transition,” Harris wrote in a reply expanding on
> her answer. “That’s why, as Attorney General, I pushed the California
> Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation to provide gender
> transition surgery to state inmates,” she wrote.
>
> Harris explained that she supported granting prisoners and detainees
> access to “surgical care” for gender transition.
>
> “Transition treatment is a medical necessity, and I will direct all
> federal agencies responsible for providing essential medical care to
> deliver transition treatment,” she wrote.
>
> Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
> SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco.
> Sen. Kamala Harris waves to the crowd as she rides in a car during the
> SF Pride Parade on June 30, 2019, in San Francisco. Justin
> Sullivan/Getty Images/File
> The first-ever gender-affirming surgery in federal prison occurred only
> recently in 2022 after years of legal battles.
>
> Harris’ answer marked a change from her previous position as California
> attorney general, when she defended the California Department of
> Corrections’ attempts to deny gender transition surgery.
>
> While running for president in 2019, Harris faced criticism over that
> previous position.
>
> At a news conference and later a LGBTQ forum that year, Harris said
> defending the policy was “contrary to my beliefs” but she was obligated
> to defend policy while she “worked behind the scenes” to change it.
>
> Drugs
> Harris also indicated she supported the decriminalization of all drug
> possession for personal use.
>
> While Harris indicated she supported drug legalization, her answer
> focused solely on marijuana, citing her co-sponsorship of the Marijuana
> Justice Act, which sought to legalize federal marijuana.
>
> She explained that drug use should be treated as a public health issue
> rather than a criminal one.
>
> “Throughout my career, I have supported treating drug addiction as a
> public health issue, focusing on rehabilitation over incarceration for
> drug-related offenses,” she wrote.
>
> During her 2019 campaign, Harris admitted to smoking marijuana in the
> past in calling for its legalization.'
>
who cares what cnn does , they lie

On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
> novalidemail@toss.net says...
>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>>
>
> She lied.

Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 2024-09-14, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
><66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
>> novalidemail@toss.net says...
>>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
>>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
>>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>>>
>>
>> She lied.
>
> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.
>

I'd rather have a candidate who makes an unproven statement vs a candidate who has been a far left
Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
and win the election.
As Bernie Sanders said last week, she han't changed her policies she just wants to get elected.
Besides 4 years under Trump despite COVID were FAR BETTER than the last 4 years under Biden/Kamala.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On Sep 14, 2024 at 2:22:10 PM MST, "Charlie Glock" wrote
<66e5fe82$4$1782$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> On 2024-09-14, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
>>> novalidemail@toss.net says...
>>>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
>>>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
>>>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She lied.
>>
>> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
>> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
>> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
>> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
>> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
>> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
>> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.
>>
>
> I'd rather have a candidate who makes an unproven statement vs a candidate who
> has been a far left
> Marxist her entire career

Both have made unproved statements. Trump does so more often and more
outrageously.

Neither fits your other criteria.

You are making excuses, Carroll... and when you use a sock you get more
absurd.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:

>[U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>and win the election

That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-09-14, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
> On 2024-09-14, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>><66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
>>> novalidemail@toss.net says...
>>>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
>>>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
>>>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She lied.
>>
>> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
>> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
>> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
>> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
>> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
>> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
>> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.
>>
>
> I'd rather have a candidate who makes an unproven statement vs a candidate who has been a far left
> Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
> and win the election.
> As Bernie Sanders said last week, she han't changed her policies she just wants to get elected.
> Besides 4 years under Trump despite COVID were FAR BETTER than the last 4 years under Biden/Kamala.
>

4 years of Biden/Harris is all I need to know.
I'd vote for just about anyone in order to get this wrecking ball administration out of power.
--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On 2024-09-14, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>
>>[U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>>Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>>and win the election
>
>
> That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
> basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.
>
Kamala may have a steady hand but my money says it's not on the helm.

Anyway, you need to educate yourself Joel.
Here is an example of Kamala's flip flops
And these are major issues.

<https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/opinion/kamala-harris-insults-voters-with-her-dishonest-flip-flops/>

'Kamala Harris insults Americans with her dishonest flip-flops
By Isaac Schorr
Published Sep. 5, 2024, 2:46 p.m. ET

1.4K Comments

Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris addresses supporters at Throwback
Brewery in North Hampton, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2024.
Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris addresses supporters at Throwback
Brewery in North Hampton, NH, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2024.
Kama, Kama, Kama, Kama, Kama, Kameleon.

Vice President Kamala Harris might be a woman without conviction, but she’s trying to get away with
selling more than a few contradictions.

There is nothing normal about Harris’ opaque campaign for president.

On Wednesday, Axios’ Alex Thompson reported on a “lengthy ‘fact-check’ ” forwarded by the Harris
team to their allies in the press revising the unpopular policy positions she articulated just a few
years ago.

Among the assertions made: Harris “does not support an electric vehicle mandate.”

Explore More

Swift endorsement turns more voters from Harris than it attracts: poll

Kamala Harris’ ‘word salad’ softball interview with ABC affiliate was proof VP is ‘disconnected from
everyday Americans’: critics

Pennsylvania mail-in ballots without correct dates will not be counted, court rules
Of course, that’s not a fact check; it’s an announcement that the vice president has flip-flopped on
an issue of enormous importance.

Back in 2019, Harris co-sponsored a bill that would have required automobile manufacturers to
produce only electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles, completely phasing out the gas-powered ones
that most Americans depend on by 2040.

During her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination (remember when you had to run for
that?), Harris touted her support for an “accelerated model” under which that transition would be
made by 2035.

see also

Kamala Harris slammed for deploying a ‘fake accent’ in Detroit speech
Thompson, to his credit, followed up by asking if Harris would sign or veto the bill she
co-sponsored just a few years ago.

The campaign didn’t respond for several days.

And when it did, it declined to comment.

So to summarize: A major party’s candidate to wield the awesome power of the executive branch is
seeking to secure the political benefits of shedding an unpopular, unworkable position via press
release, but refuses to answer any follow-ups about the specifics of her new position?

“I don’t support an electric vehicle mandate, but I just might sign one into law.”

Did you catch her wink there?

Harris’ doublespeak is brazen, but not entirely without political merit.

With the media behind her, she believes — perhaps correctly — that she can have her cake and eat it
too.

Maybe if she “reimagines” her beliefs via edict — and not with her own voice — she can both convince
moderate, independent voters to buy her backtrack away from the far left, and get progressives to
understand that once she’s in the Oval Office, she’ll rejoin the team.

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Maybe if she adopts the accent of some exaggerated caricature — “Ya betta thank a union memba for
sick leave!” — in front of some crowds (but heaven forbid others), she can stop Democrats’ bleeding
with that demographic.

It’s the kind of shallow, cynical approach that only someone as shameless as Harris could conceive
of.

Can you imagine replying “No comment” in a job interview?

Can you imagine faking an accent you associate with your interviewer’s race?

see also

2024 presidential election
Kamala Harris shows true lefty colors in CNN interview, admits her ‘values have not changed’ despite
major policy flip-flops
Harris is comfortable doing all that while making the case for handing her the nuclear codes.

Politicians lie, obfuscate, twist, and change to suit their needs; this is a truth as old as it is
self-evident.

But Kamala Harris’ attempt to get to Nov. 5 without articulating a clear vision for the country — or
even who she is — is so flagrantly disrespectful of the voters as to astonish even the most grizzled
skeptics.

When she last ran for the White House, Harris expressed support for doing away with private health
insurance, ICE, the defund-the-police movement, and the Green New Deal.

Now she says that while she supports none of those initiatives, her “values have not changed.”

There’s another one of those winks.

It’s no surprise that Harris wants to repent of her disastrous 2020 campaign, which actually ended
in 2019.

And it would be heartening if Harris and her party were backing away from the destructive agenda it
embraced in 2020.

But that backtrack is about as convincing as that sporadic accent of hers'

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Word Salad Special Of The Day
Served Complete With Venn Diagram Dressing

On 14/09/2024 23:16, Joel wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>
>> [U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>> Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>> and win the election
>
>
> That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
> basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.

Please, my friend, keep politics OUT of 'alt.computer.workshop'.

Thanks :-D

FU set

pothead wrote:
> On 2024-09-14, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>>> Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>>> and win the election
>>
>>
>> That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
>> basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.
>>
> Kamala may have a steady hand but my money says it's not on the helm.
>
> Anyway, you need to educate yourself Joel.
> Here is an example of Kamala's flip flops
> And these are major issues.
>
>
> <https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/opinion/kamala-harris-insults-voters-with-her-dishonest-flip-flops/>
>
> 'Kamala Harris insults Americans with her dishonest flip-flops
> By Isaac Schorr
> Published Sep. 5, 2024, 2:46 p.m. ET
>
> 1.4K Comments
>
> Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris addresses supporters at Throwback
> Brewery in North Hampton, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2024.
> Democratic presidential candidate and Vice President Kamala Harris addresses supporters at Throwback
> Brewery in North Hampton, NH, Wednesday, Sept. 4, 2024.
> Kama, Kama, Kama, Kama, Kama, Kameleon.
>
> Vice President Kamala Harris might be a woman without conviction, but she’s trying to get away with
> selling more than a few contradictions.
>
> There is nothing normal about Harris’ opaque campaign for president.
>
> On Wednesday, Axios’ Alex Thompson reported on a “lengthy ‘fact-check’ ” forwarded by the Harris
> team to their allies in the press revising the unpopular policy positions she articulated just a few
> years ago.
>
> Among the assertions made: Harris “does not support an electric vehicle mandate.”
>
> Explore More
>
> Swift endorsement turns more voters from Harris than it attracts: poll
>
> Kamala Harris’ ‘word salad’ softball interview with ABC affiliate was proof VP is ‘disconnected from
> everyday Americans’: critics
>
> Pennsylvania mail-in ballots without correct dates will not be counted, court rules
> Of course, that’s not a fact check; it’s an announcement that the vice president has flip-flopped on
> an issue of enormous importance.
>
> Back in 2019, Harris co-sponsored a bill that would have required automobile manufacturers to
> produce only electric and hydrogen-powered vehicles, completely phasing out the gas-powered ones
> that most Americans depend on by 2040.
>
> During her campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination (remember when you had to run for
> that?), Harris touted her support for an “accelerated model” under which that transition would be
> made by 2035.
>
> see also
>
> Kamala Harris slammed for deploying a ‘fake accent’ in Detroit speech
> Thompson, to his credit, followed up by asking if Harris would sign or veto the bill she
> co-sponsored just a few years ago.
>
> The campaign didn’t respond for several days.
>
> And when it did, it declined to comment.
>
> So to summarize: A major party’s candidate to wield the awesome power of the executive branch is
> seeking to secure the political benefits of shedding an unpopular, unworkable position via press
> release, but refuses to answer any follow-ups about the specifics of her new position?
>
> “I don’t support an electric vehicle mandate, but I just might sign one into law.”
>
> Did you catch her wink there?
>
> Harris’ doublespeak is brazen, but not entirely without political merit.
>
> With the media behind her, she believes — perhaps correctly — that she can have her cake and eat it
> too.
>
> Maybe if she “reimagines” her beliefs via edict — and not with her own voice — she can both convince
> moderate, independent voters to buy her backtrack away from the far left, and get progressives to
> understand that once she’s in the Oval Office, she’ll rejoin the team.
>
> Get opinions and commentary from our columnists
> Subscribe to our daily Post Opinion newsletter!
>
> Enter your email address
> By clicking above you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.
>
> Maybe if she adopts the accent of some exaggerated caricature — “Ya betta thank a union memba for
> sick leave!” — in front of some crowds (but heaven forbid others), she can stop Democrats’ bleeding
> with that demographic.
>
> It’s the kind of shallow, cynical approach that only someone as shameless as Harris could conceive
> of.
>
> Can you imagine replying “No comment” in a job interview?
>
> Can you imagine faking an accent you associate with your interviewer’s race?
>
> see also
>
> 2024 presidential election
> Kamala Harris shows true lefty colors in CNN interview, admits her ‘values have not changed’ despite
> major policy flip-flops
> Harris is comfortable doing all that while making the case for handing her the nuclear codes.
>
> Politicians lie, obfuscate, twist, and change to suit their needs; this is a truth as old as it is
> self-evident.
>
> But Kamala Harris’ attempt to get to Nov. 5 without articulating a clear vision for the country — or
> even who she is — is so flagrantly disrespectful of the voters as to astonish even the most grizzled
> skeptics.
>
> When she last ran for the White House, Harris expressed support for doing away with private health
> insurance, ICE, the defund-the-police movement, and the Green New Deal.
>
> Now she says that while she supports none of those initiatives, her “values have not changed.”
>
> There’s another one of those winks.
>
> It’s no surprise that Harris wants to repent of her disastrous 2020 campaign, which actually ended
> in 2019.
>
> And it would be heartening if Harris and her party were backing away from the destructive agenda it
> embraced in 2020.
>
> But that backtrack is about as convincing as that sporadic accent of hers'
>
and that is steve carrolls opinion

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 10:33:16 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

>who cares what cnn does , they lie

And nobody else does?

Got it.

--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump

David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>On 14/09/2024 23:16, Joel wrote:
>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>>> Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>>> and win the election
>>
>> That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
>> basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.
>
>Please, my friend, keep politics OUT of 'alt.computer.workshop'.
>
>Thanks :-D

No, David, my post is crosspost-worthy, your group can be included in
these threads.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 14/09/2024 23:34, Joel wrote:
> David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 14/09/2024 23:16, Joel wrote:
>>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [U.S. Vice President and candidate for President Kamala D. Harris, supposedly, is ] a candidate who has been a far left
>>>> Marxist her entire career and then suddenly changes her MAJOR policies to move towards the middle
>>>> and win the election
>>>
>>> That's not accurate, at all, Kamala is a steady hand on the helm. DJT
>>> basically told us to vote for her, at the debate.
>>
>> Please, my friend, keep politics OUT of 'alt.computer.workshop'.
>>
>> Thanks :-D
>
>
> No, David, my post is crosspost-worthy, your group can be included in
> these threads.

Well, I did ask nicely. <shrug>

In article <66e5d79a$5$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
> > novalidemail@toss.net says...
> >> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
> >> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
> >> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
> >>
> >
> > She lied.
>
> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.

She lied.

David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>>> Please, my friend, keep politics OUT of 'alt.computer.workshop'.
>>>
>>> Thanks :-D
>>
>> No, David, my post is crosspost-worthy, your group can be included in
>> these threads.
>
>Well, I did ask nicely. <shrug>

I'm sorry, buddy, nothing personal. I'm just going to post including
to groups, that saw the post I was replying to - so asking to keep the
topic out has a problem of execution, for me.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sep 14, 2024 at 3:51:42 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
<66e6137e$0$2873003$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:

> In article <66e5d79a$5$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
>> <66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>>
>>> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
>>> novalidemail@toss.net says...
>>>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
>>>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
>>>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She lied.
>>
>> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
>> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
>> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
>> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
>> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
>> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
>> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.
>
> She lied.

Both changed positions and did lie... but Trump lied a LOT more. And even if
it was the same: only one is a convicted felon and engages in sexual assault.
And babbles incoherently about pets being eaten and windmills causing cancer.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 22:27:03 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Anyway, you need to educate yourself Joel.
>Here is an example of Kamala's flip flops
>And these are major issues.
>
>
><https://nypost.com/2024/09/05/opinion/kamala-harris-insults-voters-with-her-dishonest-flip-flops/>

"flip flops" mean nothing. Trump has quite a list of them himself. Abortion,
tik tok, electric vehicles, and anybody who'll give him money.

Trump debate lie:
Following an abortion discussion, Trump dodged a question by starting to ask
Harris questions directly. Her response was to tell him to answer the
moderator's question.
--
Where's Melania?

#nevertrump

In article <66e63b60$0$1429089$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Sep 14, 2024 at 3:51:42 PM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> <66e6137e$0$2873003$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
> > In article <66e5d79a$5$2755$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
> > brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> On Sep 14, 2024 at 10:26:56 AM MST, "Skeeter" wrote
> >> <66e5c761$2$3068694$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
> >>
> >>> In article <MPG.414f8db9cb1304cc9897af@news.giganews.com>,
> >>> novalidemail@toss.net says...
> >>>> Kamala Harris didn't lie.She changed her platform.Big
> >>>> deal.Why not ask Trump about abortion and how many times
> >>>> he changed his platform.CNN is the one lying.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> She lied.
> >>
> >> Both have changed their positions... and both have done so not just because
> >> they have grown but for political expediency. I do not excuse either for
> >> that... but that is about the worst you can find on Harris. It is not even the
> >> tip of the iceberg for Trump. He lies about pets being eaten. He thinks
> >> windmills cause cancer. He is a convicted felon. He refuses to take
> >> responsibility for his actions of Jan. 6. He has been held liable by the
> >> courts for sexual assault. He is a horrible person.
> >
> > She lied.
>
> Both changed positions and did lie... but Trump lied a LOT more. And even if
> it was the same: only one is a convicted felon and engages in sexual assault.
> And babbles incoherently about pets being eaten and windmills causing cancer.

She still lied.