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Subject: Harris lands blows, gets help from moderators in debate
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In their first and possibly final faceoff in Philly, a smiling, well-
rehearsed Kamala Harris and a stern Donald Trump clashed bitterly on
immigration, the economy and abortion � getting in numerous jabs but
neither landing a knockout blow or committing a major gaffe.

An aggressive Harris looked much stronger than Joe Biden�s pathetic
performance that got him ousted from the Democratic ticket. Trump at times
faltered and Harris was never really pressed to explain her flip-flops or
record by two anti-Trump ABC moderators.

�It�s important to remind the former president, you�re not running against
Joe Biden, you�re running against me,� Harris said in her best line of the
night.

�She�s worse than Biden,� Trump said.

In a sign of confidence from Harris, she offered to debate Trump again
minutes after the first one was done.

Despite getting pushback from Harris, the former president tried to hold
his own and not get baited by Harris, but at times he looked irked and
frustrated as he repeatedly pressed Harris on inflation, the broken border
and crime.

It took 40 minutes for Harris to finally bring up Trump�s criminal trials,
prompting some of the sharpest exchanges of the night.

�I think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted for
national security crime, economic crime, election interference, has been
found liable for sexual assault and his next big court appearance is in
November at his own criminal sentencing,� Harris said.

�It�s called weaponization. They weaponized the Justice Department,� Trump
replied. �They used it to try and win the election. They�re fake cases. �
I probably took a bullet to the head because of the things they said about
me.�

Asked by moderator David Muir whether he regretted anything about Jan. 6,
Trump pivoted to asking why rioters in cities haven�t been arrested and
prosecuted like those involved in the Jan. 6 riot.

�When are those people going to be prosecuted?� Trump said.

�The president of the United States incited a violent mob,� Harris said.

Trump cited reports that migrants were stealing pets for food � a charge
that some pet owners have made and authorities have denied.

�In Springfield (Ohio) they�re eating the dogs, they�re eating the cats,�
Trump said as Harris smiled incredulously.

Both candidates showcased vastly different styles. Trump for the most part
looked straight ahead and did not react to Harris talking. But Harris
often looked at Trump, smiled smugly and shook her head as he talked,
almost as if she was trying to goad him into reacting.

Trump criticized Harris for flip-flopping her economic positions.

�She�s going to my philosophy now. In fact I was going to send her a MAGA
hat,� he said, prompting Harris to openly laugh.

�She�s a Marxist. Everybody knows she�s a Marxist,� Trump added.

Harris was strongest and most focused when she was talking about defending
abortion rights, though polls show voters care more about the economy and
immigration.

Harris accused Trump of supporting an abortion ban, and Trump refused to
say whether he�d veto one.

�There she goes again, It�s a lie,� Trump said, stealing Ronald Reagan�s
famous line against Jimmy Carter. �I�m not signing a ban and there�s no
reason to sign a ban.�

Harris started off the debate looking nervous and rushing her delivery,
but settled in as the night wore on to her prosecutorial style of
aggressively attacking.

�In this debate tonight, you�re gonna hear from the same old tired
playbook, a bunch of lies, grievances and name calling,� she said.

With the race virtually tied in the polls, Harris and Trump desperately
tried to get an edge that could propel them to the White House.

This was Trump�s seventh presidential debate of his life and Harris�s
first. She has held no formal press conferences since being propelled to
the top of the ticket and her inexperience at talking without a
teleprompter at times showed.

Harris also struggled Tuesday night to position herself as the candidate
of change � a difficult feat for an incumbent vice president whose
administration has been in charge for the last four years.

Polls consistently show that voters want change, not more of the same and
that could be the Democrats� biggest challenge.

But Trump also has a tough sell in arguing for change, since he was the
president for four years and is 78 years old.

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Subject: Harris lands blows, wipes the floor with Trump
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>In their first and possibly final faceoff in Philly, a smiling, well-
>rehearsed Kamala Harris and a stern Donald Trump clashed bitterly on
>immigration, the economy and abortion - getting in numerous jabs but
>neither landing a knockout blow or committing a major gaffe.

If they'd been fair and not fact checked maybe Trump wouldn't have got the
shit kicked out of him and be made a fool of in front of 70 million
viewers.

Now he's lost the election and will soon be prosecuted for federal crimes
that will certainly see him end his days as a prisoner.

Poor Trump, just can't get a fair shake. Even Fox News was laughing at
him that night.

Donald Trump wasn't happy after hearing people thought he performed poorly
at the presidential debate against Vice President Kamala Harris earlier
this week.

On Wednesday, September 11, Fox News host Neil Cavuto stated that the 78-
year-old ex-prez "decisively lost."
donald trump fuming fox news robert f kennedy jr he lost debate
Source: MEGA

Fox News Host Neil Cavuto said Donald Trump was 'all over the map' at the
debate.

"He might have made very good presentations on where the economy was, but
it was all over the map," Cavuto continued. "This was the first occasion
where it wasn�t just a close call, it was a lopsided one."

Following the critical comments, Trump took to his Truth Social platform to
slam the Cavuto: Coast to Coast personality.

Trump penned, "Neil Cavuto, Fox�s Lowest Rated Anchor, is one of the WORST
on Television. I actually prefer the losers at CNN and MSDNC!"
donald trump fuming fox news robert f kennedy jr he lost debate
Source: Fox News

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said Kamala Harris won 'in terms of her delivery' and
her 'preparation.'

But Cavuto wasn't the only one to criticize Trump's behavior at the debate.
Despite suspending his campaign and teaming up with the controversial
politician earlier this year, guest Robert F. Kennedy Jr. also agreed that
Trump was the loser.

"I think that Vice President Harris clearly won the debate in terms of her
delivery, her polish, her organization, and her preparation," Kennedy Jr.
explained, noting that Trump could have won "in terms of governance" but he
didn't "tell that story" at the debate.
donald trump fuming fox news robert f kennedy jr he lost debate
Source: Fox News

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. suggested Donald Trump got 'distracted' and didn't
stay on the right topics.

"In fact, the first question was an extraordinary lost opportunity because
it was a question� which is, are Americans better off four years later? And
there�s really no argument for saying that they are," he continued. "And
all of these things can be attributed to the poor leadership from the
Biden-Harris team. That�s the argument he should�ve been making."

Kennedy Jr. also claimed Trump got too "distracted" to keep to the
necessary talking points.

"I think it�s unfortunate because I think he really had an airtight
argument for his presidency," he added. "But he was not able to make that
case to the American public."

Donald Trump faced backlash for going off topic and making wild claims at
the debate.

As OK! previously reported, Trump was mocked on social media for several
wild claims he made at the debate, from insisting residents in Ohio had
their pets stolen and eaten by immigrants to giving his opinion on how
President Joe Biden supposedly feels about Harris.

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