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Subject: A Good Step By Step Analysis Of The Debate
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This is a good step by step analysis of the debate.

<https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/09/10/debate-night-livewire-donald-trump-kamala-harris-face-off-for-first-time/>

'Former President Donald Trump and Vice President Kamala Harris will
face off on the debate stage in Philadelphia for the first time ever on
Tuesday evening on ABC News for the first debate between the GOP and
Democrat nominees for president in 2024.

Trump, who knocked out incumbent President Joe Biden from the
presidential race in the first and only debate this cycle between the
two of them back in June, will be looking for a similarly professional
performance and to keep the race on its current trajectory which is
breaking hard against Harris. Harris, meanwhile, needs to turn things
around from the current free fall she has slid down into after her
meteoric rise when Biden dropped out and she quickly ascended to the
nomination without any votes.

The debate, which is set to begin at 9 p.m. eastern time, will be
moderated by ABC’s David Muir and Linsey Davis. ABC, as Trump regularly
correctly notes, has been one of the most biased of all the networks in
favor of Democrats and against Republicans, so it will be interesting to
see if Muir and Davis can be fair or if they try to team up with Harris
to kneecap Trump.

The debate is also the first time Trump and Harris have ever met face to
face, so seeing the interaction between the two candidates could end up
making fireworks–or it could be as stale as an interaction can be.
Betting markets are literally offering odds on whether the two even
shake hands–so that could be a key tell when they take the stage as to
how things will go.

Harris has avoided the press and public off-script moments since she
ascended the Democrat Party’s throne, so how she handles herself on a
stage that will not allow pre-printed notes–candidates are given pen and
paper and can make live notes on stage–could make or break her chances
at remaining in the running for the presidency. Trump’s campaign,
meanwhile, prevailed in a fight to keep the same rules as the
Trump-Biden debate from June which cuts off candidates’ microphones when
they are not speaking. Harris’s team wanted to change the rules to try
to use the live microphones to her advantage in a bid to bait Trump into
coming across badly, but Harris failed in this respect.

Trump’s campaign has said ahead of time that he is going to seek to use
the opportunity on stage to do something many in media have failed to
do: vet Harris’s extremist and radically leftist record for the broader
American public. Democrats and Harris’s team, meanwhile, have been
repeatedly trying to lower expectations for her in case she has a
performance as bad as or close to as bad as Biden’s back in June. It’s
too late at this point for Democrats to drop Harris like a bad habit
like they did to Biden, so they’re stuck with her come hell or high
water–and frankly, given Harris’s historically abysmal performances
without pre-written remarks in a teleprompter prepared for her by some
official professional speechwriter it seems smart for them to try to
lower the bar.

But if Harris is to change the trajectory of the race–Trump is leading
nationally in public polling like one released this weekend by the New
York Times and in enough swing states to easily win the
presidency–Harris will almost need to pitch a perfect game or have a
stellar performance at the plate. Whether she is capable of doing that,
and doing more than just creating a couple inevitable viral moments with
a pre-planned catchphrase, remains to be seen.

Almost as important as the actual debate is what happens afterwards in
the spin room, and on television. It’s in the immediate post-debate
environment where partisans will seek to press any advantages their side
picked up during the debate or similarly defuse any problematic moments
for their side from the stage.

As all of this plays out on debate night in America, follow along here
on Breitbart News for live breaking news, analysis, and updates.

UPDATE 11:17 p.m. ET:

Taylor Swift just endorsed Kamala Harris–at least sort of:

It’s not the strongest endorsement in the world, though she does say
she’s voting for Harris, praises Harris’s running mate Minnesota Gov.
Tim Walz, and attacks Trump and signs the note as “Childless Cat
Lady”–an attack on Sen. JD Vance (R-OH), Trump’s running mate. Swift,
though, does not outright tell her followers to vote for Harris or to
not vote for Trump. She encourages her followers to do their own
research and make their own decisions in who to vote for.

UPDATE 11:13 p.m. ET:

On CNN, Gov. Shapiro of Pennsylvania does not seem very confident in
Harris’s prospects in the state. He says the state is very close and
used to close elections. Jake Tapper is now asking, through Kaitlan
Collins, if the Harris campaign should focus more on independent voters
in Erie in Pennsylvania or more on Republican women in the Philadelphia
suburbs. In response, Shapiro says the election will come down to “tens
of thousands of votes” one way or the other.

UPDATE 10:48 p.m. ET:

This take from Scott Adams seems about right:

It’s hard to see how this debate changes anything in the trajectory of
the race. Trump is on the upswing, Harris is fading, and it does not
appear that this debate changes anything.

The panel on ABC News afterwards is claiming that Trump was “rattled”
and that the Harris campaign feels good after the debate, but again–it
was not the slam dunk performance she needed.

UPDATE 10:46 p.m. ET:

Kamala repeatedly lied throughout the debate, including claiming she
would not ban guns:

UPDATE 10:45 p.m. ET:

The debate has ended and the candidates are walking off stage without
shaking hands.

UPDATE 10:44 p.m. ET:

Trump questions why she has not done the things she says she will do
already since she has been in office for several years.

UPDATE 10:42 p.m. ET:

Harris cites her history as a prosecutor and says “I’ve only ever had
one client: the people.”

Now, Trump is up.

UPDATE 10:41 p.m. ET:

Harris is delivering her closing statement in which she repeats the
catch phrase “we’re not going back,” and claims there are two “very
different” visions for the country offered by the candidates this
evening.

UPDATE 10:40 p.m. ET:

Team Trump is declaring a clear victory:

UPDATE 10:38 p.m. ET:

The debate is entering the second commercial break, and then returning
with closing statements.

UPDATE 10:30 p.m. ET:

Harris claims she is a gun owner.

UPDATE 10:25 p.m. ET:

“She is Biden,” Trump said.

“Clearly I am not Joe Biden,” Harris replied.

UPDATE 10:22 p.m. ET:

Muir next presses Trump on his recent comments that Harris “became
black,” asking him what race Harris is. Trump said he did not care.

UPDATE 10:20 p.m. ET:

The gall of Harris to blame Trump for Biden’s and her failures in
Afghanistan is pretty incredible. She is definitely not doing herself
any favors in so doing this.

In response, Trump lays out how the deal he negotiated with the Taliban
stopped all killings of American soldiers for 18 months but then laid
out how he would have gotten out of Afghanistan without seeing Americans
killed and without leaving tens of billions of dollars of U.S. military
equipment behind.

UPDAYE 10:18 p.m. ET:

The conversation now turns to Afghanistan, and Muir asks Harris if she
bears “any responsibility” for what happened in the failed withdrawal
from Afghanistan. Harris dodged the question, and then started attacking
Trump claiming the deal Trump negotiated to end the war in Afghanistan
was “weak.”

UPDATE 10:15 p.m. ET:

Trump tells Kamala “quiet please” while he is explaining that Putin has
nuclear weapons. “They sent her to negotiate peace three days before
this war started,” Trump said of Harris, arguing she failed as a
negotiator.

“She’s worse than Biden,” Trump says, “she goes down as the worst vice
president in the history of this country.”

UPDATE 10:11 p.m. ET:

Coming back from the first commercial break, Muir turns to Trump and
asks him how he would end the war in Ukraine and whether he wants
Ukraine to win the war. Trump said he wants to end the war, and he noted
how the U.S. has put hundreds of billions of tax dollars into the war
and he called out Harris for failing to get Europe to pay its fair
share. He noted how Putin and Zelensky do not respect Biden, and he
warns that this could “lead to World War 3” and that President Biden is
missing in action and he was thrown aside “like a dog.”

UPDATE 10:02 p.m. ET:

Trump says Kamala “hates Israel,” something Harris denies. Trump also
says he would end the war in Ukraine before he even takes office. Then
Harris claims Trump said Putin “can do whatever the hell he wants and go
into Ukraine,” even though Putin did so when Harris was leading the
country as Vice President.

UPDATE 9:57 p.m. ET:

The discussion has moved backward to the 2020 election, and now Harris
is claiming that Trump was “fired by 81 million Americans”–the vote
total for Biden in 2020–four years ago. Harris then claims world leaders
are “laughing at” Trump, but then Trump cites several world leaders back
at Harris including particularly Viktor Orban of Hungary.


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