On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:07:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>
>>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>>President.
>
>
>Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
>wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
>isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
>economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.

All that stimulus was why our economy came back so quick and so strong. That
brief period of inflation was the price we paid for that fast rebuild.

Vying for Trump's most transparent lie
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/EvtP59-wIsM>

--
#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>I sure don't know of anybody who sent back their stimulus deposits.

The last one, in 2021, got me this computer. :)

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Governor Swill wrote:
> caught lying yet again.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> most transparent

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 11:07:17 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>
>>>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>>>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>>>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>>>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>>>President.
>>
>>Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
>>wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
>>isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
>>economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.
>
>All that stimulus was why our economy came back so quick and so strong. That
>brief period of inflation was the price we paid for that fast rebuild.

Yup. Well said.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>>>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>>>
>>> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.
>>
>> Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
>> the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
>> take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
>> anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.
>>
>> The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
>> Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.
>>
>> But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
>>from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:
>>
>> I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
>> personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.
>>
>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>> for-profit) services.
>
> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
> didn't have a fire service contract.

Agreed.

This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.

FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.

-hh

On 8/30/24 3:50 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:43:23 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/24 9:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>>>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>>>> voter".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>>>> html>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>>>> inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>>>> Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>>>> in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>>>> interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>>>> 9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>>>> true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>>>> 1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>>>> after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>>>> recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>>>> month prior.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>>>> was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>>>> 2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>>>> increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>>>> Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>>>> months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>>>> in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>>>> a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>>>> factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>>>> around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>>>> Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>>>> wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>>>
>>>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>> She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>>> demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>>> more intelligent than you are.
>>>
>>>
>>> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
>>> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
>>> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>>>
>>
>> This is a good example of attempted propaganda, as it used "truthful"
>> data to substantiate the propaganda's claim, as it allows people to
>> forget to test the underlying premise for its inherent validity.
>>
>> What's invalid here is the implicit assumption that the economy has zero
>> inertia, such that a change in fiscal policy will cause a sudden and
>> large change within hours/days/etc: it simply does not work that way.
>>
>> Case in point, household savings exists, which is a fiscal buffer
>> between expenses vs income. That's fiscal "inertia" which creates a lag
>> between changes in inputs and subsequent outputs.
>>
>> For example, if one has 6 months worth of savings, if one's paycheck
>> were to suddenly stop, one's payments of bills isn't going to drop to
>> literally zero within just the first month: even if you reduce your
>> immediate spending, that savings gives you time to fix the income
>> revenue side (eg, go look for a new job) and stabilize your cash flow.
>>
>>
>> In the case of our recent inflation, much of it was due to an imbalance
>> in fiscal stimulus vs supply (eg, "too much" stimulus money).
>
> All that stimulus allowed the US economy to recover faster and more broadly than
> any other economy on earth. The price we paid for that recovery was a brief
> period of sharp inflation as the savings you elaborate on below got spent when
> the economy opened back up.

The policy makers did have a quite difficult decision to balance, as the
trade-off was to provide stimulus that wasn't enough to forestall a
recession (which effectively wastes the money invested), versus spending
"too much" knowing that we'd have to pay the price of higher inflation
later on if it worked.

The downside risks were less severe for the "overfund" scenario than for
the "underfund", so that's how we ended up with the decision that they
made.

FWIW, we could have reduced the amount of inflation if we would have NOT
forgiven the PPP loans and other corporate giveaways, for requiring
their repayment (on a delay, of course) would have had the same fiscal
effect of removing money from the economy ... reducing inflation ... in
lieu of higher Fed interest rates.

Yet another option available was for Congress to pass a tax rate hike.
Yeah, I know, "political third rail", but fiscally, its still an option.

To this end, this is why the 2017 TCJA shouldn't be extended: there's
still an ongoing need to reduce inflation by reducing free money, and
choosing to increase tax rates enables making an interest rate cut,
which lowers the Federal Budget's debt service costs.

>> Fortunately, much of the pandemic stimulus checks to households wasn't
>> spent, but saved:
>>
>> "Over the pandemic, historic levels of government transfers boosted
>> household income while household spending was severely curtailed by
>> social distancing. This led the personal saving rate to soar (Figure 1),
>> and we estimate that U.S. households accumulated about $2.3 trillion in
>> savings in 2020 and through the summer of 2021, above and beyond what
>> they would have saved if income and spending components had grown at
>> recent, pre-pandemic trends."
>>
>>
>> <https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/excess-savings-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-20221021.html>
>>
>> But much of this 'free money' has now been spent, which is why there
>> was a lag between when the checks were sent and when the inflation it
>> caused was recorded.
>>
>> YA example of a 2nd order fiscal effect that's not easy for the general
>> public to understand, even though they participated in causing it.
>
> I sure don't know of anybody who sent back their stimulus deposits.
>
> Trump has found a new way to embarrass himself in Montana
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7_nVxRn4_tc>
>
> --
> #NEVERtrump

On Aug 30, 2024 at 1:13:21 PM MST, "-hh" wrote <vat951$kape$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris
>>>>> have caused so much
>>>>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a
>>>>> long time.
>>>>
>>>> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
>>> the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
>>> take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
>>> anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.
>>>
>>> The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
>>> Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.
>>>
>>> But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
>>> from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:
>>>
>>> I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
>>> personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.
>>>
>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>> for-profit) services.
>>
>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>
> Agreed.
>
> This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
> bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
> go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>
> FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
> frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
> higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
> rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
> say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>
>
> -hh

We pay more to get less and then say this somehow makes economic sense. It is
sorta like how we get a 70 cent return on our dollar when we help the rich,
and a buck forty or better when we help the poor, and then people argue we
need to help the rich because they are the job creators (which is really a
lie). It is madness.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:13:21 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
<snip>
>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>> for-profit) services.
>>
>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>
>Agreed.
>
>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>
>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.

Top five national income tax rates.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:23:21 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>The policy makers did have a quite difficult decision to balance, as the
>trade-off was to provide stimulus that wasn't enough to forestall a
>recession (which effectively wastes the money invested), versus spending
>"too much" knowing that we'd have to pay the price of higher inflation
>later on if it worked.
>
>The downside risks were less severe for the "overfund" scenario than for
>the "underfund", so that's how we ended up with the decision that they
>made.
>
>FWIW, we could have reduced the amount of inflation if we would have NOT
>forgiven the PPP loans and other corporate giveaways, for requiring
>their repayment (on a delay, of course) would have had the same fiscal
>effect of removing money from the economy ... reducing inflation ... in
>lieu of higher Fed interest rates.
>
>Yet another option available was for Congress to pass a tax rate hike.
>Yeah, I know, "political third rail", but fiscally, its still an option.
>
>To this end, this is why the 2017 TCJA shouldn't be extended: there's
>still an ongoing need to reduce inflation by reducing free money, and
>choosing to increase tax rates enables making an interest rate cut,
>which lowers the Federal Budget's debt service costs.

Pity the great unwashed are unable to grasp such multi level nuances.

I'm not being offensive when I call this "simple mindedness", I'm being
observant.

When did humans discover the planet Earth?
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Oe1NyLWGmVI>

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On 8/29/24 5:04 PM, -hh wrote:
> On 8/28/24 11:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>>> Sept 9 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>>
>>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>>     Federal spending went up every
>>>> year under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>
>>>>     Except all the regulations
>>>> Republicans want.
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>
>>>>      Deficit explodes.
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>
>>>>      By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>> Trump-style
>>>>
>>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>
>>>>     Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>>
>>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>>
>>>>     By playing nice with all the
>>>> dictators who start them.
>>>>
>>>>     "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT.  We are the only
>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision.  "Make America Great Again"?!
>>> Says who, Donald?  What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>> whatever, sir?  Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference.  Right-wing
>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>> us into more debt.  Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>>
>>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done
>> nothing.
>> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at
>> that level. Just because the
>> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the
>> rank and file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>>
>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
>> would appear after he
>> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline?

Here's pothead's answer:

> "DOE Report Shows Clean Energy Jobs Grew at More Than Twice the Rate of
> Overall U.S. Employment"
>
> <https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-report-shows-clean-energy-jobs-grew-more-twice-rate-overall-us-employment>
>
> FYI, before you try to pooh-pooh the raw number of job growth, do make
> sure to keep it in context to your choice of comparison: the Keystone
> pipeline.  Its jobs creation numbers were vastly lower:
>
> "In the report, the agency wrote that 10,400 estimated positions would
> be for seasonal construction work lasting four to eight-month periods.
> Since the State Department defines "job" as "one position that is filled
> for 1 year," that would equate to approximately 3,900 jobs over a
> two-year period."
>
> <https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/01/22/keystone-pipeline-jobs-lost-joe-biden-executive-order-cancel-fact-check/6673822002/>
>
> FWIW, I think I read someplace years ago that the number of permanent
> full time jobs from Keystone was something like fourteen (14).
>
> Likewise, from 2019, there's twice as many 'green' jobs vs fossil fuels:
>
> "...U.S. Energy & Employment Report lists 2.39 million jobs in clean
> energy generation and energy efficiency versus 1.23 million – half as
> many – in fossil energy production."
>
> <https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-more-jobs/>

One down.

>> According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>
> Got cite for who made this claim when?
>
> In any event, it doesn't sound too far off to me, as per US News's
> reported median value of $97,800 back in 2022:
>
> <https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary>

Two down.

>
>> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about
>> this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>
>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>
> I'm better off in the post-Trump era.
>
> So just how specific do you want my specifics to be?  I can say "lower
> stress", but do I need to post my blood pressure scores to prove that?
> Likewise, for fewer financial worries, our monthly budget?  Or for an
> improved net worth, is a percentage increase good enough, or do you want
> exact balances with receipts and bank account numbers?
>
>> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who
>> can say YES and then tell me
>> SPECIFICALLY how.
>>
>> Maybe you can.
>
> Done above, contingent on how unreasonable you try to set goalposts.
> Naturally, you're insinuating that you're now worse off, so you'll need
> to lead by example, with the level of specifics you're calling for
> others to do, to avoid being a blatant hypocrite.

Three down.

In the meantime, I happened to read this yesterday from another source;
copying it in its entirety to provide full context, as it is masterful
in breaking down in detail how propaganda works. If you appreciate the
piece, you can make a donation to its author at:

<https://ko-fi.com/terravance?fbclid=IwY2xjawE_1lpleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHUld6oCODhsLC30GtloH8yzzR91qEywxgz4aMIiMCgmAEvVpegqijjeFZw_aem_LTTJtmczb9DU8oQPsRyjzA>

[quote]

I don’t generally tell people what to do or how to think. I actually
believe the best medicine for most of our social ills is that people
become less vulnerable to the impacts of propaganda.

That’s what I try to do— help people recognize propaganda. Freedom
begins with free thought.

So, I’m going to show you first what JD Vance said following the
Arlington incident, then I am going to quote an excerpt from JD Vance’s
book.

I am genuinely curious to hear from supporters of Trump and/or Vance
what you think is his motive.

This thread has potential for chaos, so a hard boundary:
I’m only asking about what Vance’s motive is. If you respond by
insulting me, liberals, conservatives, or any group, I’ll either hide
your comment or block you.

Okay… on to the point.

Recently, JD Vance made a post saying Kamala Harris can “Go to hell.”
This is in response to a question he was asked about the incident that
happened with Trump and his staff’s behavior at Arlington National
Cemetery.

More on that in a moment.

I’m going to do what I do and analyze and identify propaganda in the
hopes that it will help others see the process of how Americans are
being “socially primed” via the information they receive.

This one needs to be read to the end because that’s where the important
parts are.

Because depending on your algorithms and what channel you’re watching to
get your news, you’re getting a totally different story from other
Americans.

On Sat, 31 Aug 2024 07:07:00 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>Yes, that's a long piece, but it has a huge amount of content and
>detailed insight. Unfortunately, the people who most need to read it to
>understand how they're being manipulated will probably not do so. Their
>failure to become better informed is on them, and not anyone else.

But WE have to suffer for it.

Ben & Jerry's can kill you
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4bjpKbtBFkQ>

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Governor Swill wrote:
> being offensive

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Top five

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6m15djtbm8216boroq5e2jdmmhnojrfei6@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:13:21 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>> wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>> services:
>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>
>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll
>>> be the
>>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a
>>> neighbor
>>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>>
>>Agreed.
>>
>>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>
>>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>
> Top five national income tax rates.
> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>

So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...

But let's go with income tax..

In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
income.

That doesn't even consider:

Air Transportation Taxes
Biodiesel Fuel Taxes
Building Permit Taxes
Business Registration Fees
Capital Gains Taxes
Cigarette Taxes
Court Fines
Disposal Fees
Dog License Taxes
Drivers License Fees
Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax
Employer Medicare Taxes
Employer Social Security Taxes
Environmental Fees
Estate Taxes
Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
Federal Corporate Taxes
Federal Income Taxes
Federal Unemployment Taxes
Fishing License Taxes
Flush Taxes
Food And Beverage License Fees
Franchise Business Taxes
Garbage Taxes
Gasoline Taxes
Gift Taxes
Gun Ownership Permits
Hazardous Material Disposal Fees
Highway Access Fees
Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)
Hunting License Taxes
Import Taxes
Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes
Inheritance Taxes
Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses
Inspection Fees
Insurance Premium Taxes
Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes
Inventory Taxes
IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes
IRS Interest Charges
IRS Penalties
Library Taxes
License Plate Fees
Liquor Taxes
Local Corporate Taxes
Local Income Taxes
Local School Taxes
Local Unemployment Taxes
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Taxes
Medicare Taxes
Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare
Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax
Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income
Parking Meters
Passport Fees
Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)
Property Taxes
Real Estate Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Taxes
Registration Fees For New Businesses
Toll Booth Taxes
Sales Taxes
Self-Employment Taxes
Sewer & Water Taxes
School Taxes
Septic Permit Taxes
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Taxes
Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction
Sports Stadium Taxes
State Corporate Taxes
State Income Taxes
State Park Entrance Fees
State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)
Tanning Taxes
Telephone 911 Service Taxes
Telephone Federal Excise Taxes
Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes
Telephone State And Local Taxes
Telephone Universal Access Taxes
The Alternative Minimum Tax
Tire Recycling Fees
Tire Taxes
Tolls
Traffic Fines
Use Taxes
Utility Taxes
Vehicle Registration Taxes
Waste Management Taxes
Water Rights Fees
Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees
Well Permit Fees
Workers Compensation Taxes
Zoning Permit Fees

On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:6m15djtbm8216boroq5e2jdmmhnojrfei6@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:13:21 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>>> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>> services:
>>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>
>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll
>>>> be the
>>>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a
>>>> neighbor
>>>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>
>>>Agreed.
>>>
>>>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>
>>>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>
>> Top five national income tax rates.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>
>So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...
>
>But let's go with income tax..
>
>In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
>income.
>
>That doesn't even consider:
>
>Air Transportation Taxes
>Biodiesel Fuel Taxes
>Building Permit Taxes
>Business Registration Fees
>Capital Gains Taxes
>Cigarette Taxes
>Court Fines
>Disposal Fees
>Dog License Taxes
>Drivers License Fees
>Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax
>Employer Medicare Taxes
>Employer Social Security Taxes
>Environmental Fees
>Estate Taxes
>Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
>Federal Corporate Taxes
>Federal Income Taxes
>Federal Unemployment Taxes
>Fishing License Taxes
>Flush Taxes
>Food And Beverage License Fees
>Franchise Business Taxes
>Garbage Taxes
>Gasoline Taxes
>Gift Taxes
>Gun Ownership Permits
>Hazardous Material Disposal Fees
>Highway Access Fees
>Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)
>Hunting License Taxes
>Import Taxes
>Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes
>Inheritance Taxes
>Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses
>Inspection Fees
>Insurance Premium Taxes
>Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes
>Inventory Taxes
>IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes
>IRS Interest Charges
>IRS Penalties
>Library Taxes
>License Plate Fees
>Liquor Taxes
>Local Corporate Taxes
>Local Income Taxes
>Local School Taxes
>Local Unemployment Taxes
>Luxury Taxes
>Marriage License Taxes
>Medicare Taxes
>Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare
>Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax
>Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income
>Parking Meters
>Passport Fees
>Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)
>Property Taxes
>Real Estate Taxes
>Recreational Vehicle Taxes
>Registration Fees For New Businesses
>Toll Booth Taxes
>Sales Taxes
>Self-Employment Taxes
>Sewer & Water Taxes
>School Taxes
>Septic Permit Taxes
>Service Charge Taxes
>Social Security Taxes
>Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction
>Sports Stadium Taxes
>State Corporate Taxes
>State Income Taxes
>State Park Entrance Fees
>State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)
>Tanning Taxes
>Telephone 911 Service Taxes
>Telephone Federal Excise Taxes
>Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes
>Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes
>Telephone State And Local Taxes
>Telephone Universal Access Taxes
>The Alternative Minimum Tax
>Tire Recycling Fees
>Tire Taxes
>Tolls
>Traffic Fines
>Use Taxes
>Utility Taxes
>Vehicle Registration Taxes
>Waste Management Taxes
>Water Rights Fees
>Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees
>Well Permit Fees
>Workers Compensation Taxes
>Zoning Permit Fees
>
>
--
#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill wrote:
> Sales Taxes

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Bill Flett and a few
dozen other socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>> services:
>>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>
>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll
>>>> be the lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught
>>>> fire because a neighbor didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>
>>>Agreed.
>>>
>>>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>
>>>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>
>> Top five national income tax rates.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>
>So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...

My point is that in exchange for their higher taxes, Europeans get a lot more
than we do. Free university education. No/low co-pay healthcare including
prescriptions. Vast public transportation networks that make it unnecessary to
own a car for most people and one of the best quality road networks on the
planet. European highways are built to last twice as long as ours.

Caveat: Their defense budgets have historically been lower than ours owing to
our investment in our mutual security. Think about post WW II. Who in their
right mind would want to see Europe rearm itself? Nobody. For that reason, we
dominated European security to avoid the risks of them rearming.

That danger is now past with the EU and Schweringen so they can now arm
themselves in earnest. And they are.

>But let's go with income tax.
>
>In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
>income.

Well, that's right wing propaganda because California, like federal, has a
progressive tax rate and their top marginal rate is currently 14.4%. The
federal is 37%, but those are "top marginal" rates. For those who don't know
haw marginal rates work:

What is a marginal tax rate? The U.S. currently has seven federal income tax
brackets, with rates of 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%. Your first 10k of
TAXABLE income is taxed at 10%. Your next 10k is taxed at 12%. The next
'margin' is taxed at 22% and so on. You have to have a taxable income in the
high six figures to reach that 37% and that rate only affects that top margin of
income.

If you're one of the lucky few to earn enough to fall into the 37% bracket, that
doesn't mean that the entirety of your taxable income will be subject to a 37%
tax. Instead, 37% is your top marginal tax rate ONLY. You still pay only 10% of
your first 10k like everybody else.

As you can see, it is not possible to pay 50% of your income to income tax in
California unless you have extraordinarily stupid accountants.

You don't know squat about taxes, Scout. All your tax knowledge is the
distortions your heavily biased media suggests you parrot at every opportunity.

The average working family generally ends up with a final effective income tax
rate of around 15%-20%. The rich, the upper 10%, have a final effective rate
far lower than that owing to the unfairness of business income and capital gains
being charged at much lower rate than the earned income workers get.

>That doesn't even consider:

Before you embarrass yourself even further, the average VAT tax in Europe, the
AVERAGE, is 21%. Does any sales/use tax in the US even come close to that?

--
#NEVERtrump

"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:fkqedj9og6n3k9tv8gj19daroi26mvd4rp@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>>> services:
>>>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run
>>>>>> (&
>>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>>
>>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll
>>>>> be the lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught
>>>>> fire because a neighbor didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>>
>>>>Agreed.
>>>>
>>>>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>>>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>>>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>>
>>>>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>>>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>>>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>>>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>>
>>> Top five national income tax rates.
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>>
>>So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...
>
> My point is that in exchange for their higher taxes, Europeans get a lot
> more
> than we do. Free university education. No/low co-pay healthcare
> including
> prescriptions. Vast public transportation networks that make it
> unnecessary to
> own a car for most people and one of the best quality road networks on the
> planet. European highways are built to last twice as long as ours.
>
> Caveat: Their defense budgets have historically been lower than ours
> owing to
> our investment in our mutual security. Think about post WW II. Who in
> their
> right mind would want to see Europe rearm itself? Nobody. For that
> reason, we
> dominated European security to avoid the risks of them rearming.
>
> That danger is now past with the EU and Schweringen so they can now arm
> themselves in earnest. And they are.
>
>>But let's go with income tax.
>>
>>In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
>>income.
>
> Well, that's right wing propaganda because California, like federal, has a
> progressive tax rate and their top marginal rate is currently 14.4%. The
> federal is 37%, but those are "top marginal" rates. For those who don't
> know
> haw marginal rates work:

You're just looking at income tax.. do you think that the ONLY tax that
exists?

Heck, pretty soon Kamala would be evicting people from their homes because
they can't pay the 25% in the unrealized income from any increase in the
value of their home.

Further, I don't see Europe ignoring their homeless while being able to pay
to fly illegal immigrants here and arranging their illegal entry into the
country, while then providing them housing, food, jobs, transportation and
legal representation while the government pretends that deportation would
ever occur for them.

I wonder how much the money spend on opening the border and all the care
given to those who ignored are laws would have done to help our own homeless
and poor????

I heard somewhere this has cost $451 Billion/year so far, and let's say half
of that/

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/border-crisis-costs-american-taxpayers-451-billion-annually-house-gop-report-claims/

We currently have (according to HUD, 653,104 homeless Americans) that's
$345,274 per person.

In ONE year we could virtually eliminate our homeless problem and certainly
within 2.

Instead, we allow a lot of homeless illegal immigrants who then compete with
poor americans for housing, jobs, food, etc.

So tell me, give our TOTAL level of taxation is higher than in Europe.. why
don't we have such things here????

I mean Democrats are seriously talking about taxing money that people don't
even have.

How long until grandma is evicted from her home because she can't pay the
25% tax on the unrealized income made from the increase in property values?

Who will buy these homes? Corporations will who will then make you pay to
live in them because you can't afford to buy a home.

How about the 25% you will have to pay on the income your 401K, and what
will you do for retirement with the government sucking all that income from
your retirement account?

And in the end will it really change how the rich do things? No, it wont'.

On 9/4/2024 9:48 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fkqedj9og6n3k9tv8gj19daroi26mvd4rp@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>  wrote:
>>>>> On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>  -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>>>> services:
>>>>>>>   better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately
>>>>>>> run (&
>>>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings.  Then
>>>>>> there'll
>>>>>> be the lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught
>>>>>>  fire because a neighbor didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>>>> bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and
>>>>> then
>>>>> go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU
>>>>> taxes are
>>>>> frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes
>>>>> healthcare and
>>>>> higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>>> rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus
>>>>> let's
>>>>> say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>>>
>>>> Top five national income tax rates.
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>>>
>>> So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...
>>
>> My point is that in exchange for their higher taxes, Europeans get a
>> lot more
>> than we do.  Free university education.  No/low co-pay healthcare
>> including
>> prescriptions.  Vast public transportation networks that make it
>> unnecessary to
>> own a car for most people and one of the best quality road networks on
>> the
>> planet.  European highways are built to last twice as long as ours.
>>
>> Caveat:  Their defense budgets have historically been lower than ours
>> owing to
>> our investment in our mutual security.  Think about post WW II.  Who
>> in their
>> right mind would want to see Europe rearm itself?  Nobody.  For that
>> reason, we
>> dominated European security to avoid the risks of them rearming.
>>
>> That danger is now past with the EU and Schweringen so they can now arm
>> themselves in earnest.  And they are.
>>
>>> But let's go with income tax.
>>>
>>> In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of
>>> your
>>> income.
>>
>> Well, that's right wing propaganda because California, like federal,
>> has a
>> progressive tax rate and their top marginal rate is currently 14.4%.  The
>> federal is 37%, but those are "top marginal" rates.  For those who
>> don't know
>> haw marginal rates work:
>
> You're just looking at income tax.. do you think that the ONLY tax that
> exists?
>
> Heck, pretty soon Kamala would be evicting people from their homes
> because they can't pay the 25% in the unrealized income from any
> increase in the value of their home.
>
> Further, I don't see Europe ignoring their homeless while being able to
> pay to fly illegal immigrants here and arranging their illegal entry
> into the country, while then providing them housing, food, jobs,
> transportation and legal representation while the government pretends
> that deportation would ever occur for them.
>
> I wonder how much the money spend on opening the border and all the care
> given to those who ignored are laws would have done to help our own
> homeless and poor????
>
> I heard somewhere this has cost $451 Billion/year so far, and let's say
> half of that/
>
> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/border-crisis-costs-american-taxpayers-451-billion-annually-house-gop-report-claims/
>
> We currently have (according to HUD, 653,104 homeless Americans) that's
> $345,274 per person.
>
> In ONE year we could virtually eliminate our homeless problem and
> certainly within 2.
>
> Instead, we allow a lot of homeless illegal immigrants who then compete
> with poor americans for housing, jobs, food, etc.
>
> So tell me, give our TOTAL level of taxation is higher than in Europe..
> why don't we have such things here????
>
> I mean Democrats are seriously talking about taxing money that people
> don't even have.
>
> How long until grandma is evicted from her home because she can't pay
> the 25% tax on the unrealized income made from the increase in property
> values?

"Fight to stop 96-year-old Pacific Grove woman's eviction continues"

https://www.ksbw.com/article/california-96-year-old-pacific-grove-womans-eviction/62046753

> Who will buy these homes? Corporations will who will then make you pay
> to live in them because you can't afford to buy a home.

That is exactly what they are doing and why homes have become unaffordable.

> How about the 25% you will have to pay on the income your 401K, and what
> will you do for retirement with the government sucking all that income
> from your retirement account?

Biden stole 30% from 401k savings in 2023.

> And in the end will it really change how the rich do things? No, it wont'.

Putting Nancy Pelosi in jail for inside trading and graft would would be
a good start.

"Jayle Byrd" <jbyrd@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:vba9tc$3vq6d$5@news.mixmin.net...
> On 9/4/2024 9:48 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fkqedj9og6n3k9tv8gj19daroi26mvd4rp@4ax.com...
>>> On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>>> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>>>>> services:
>>>>>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately
>>>>>>>> run (&
>>>>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then
>>>>>>> there'll
>>>>>>> be the lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught
>>>>>>> fire because a neighbor didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just
>>>>>> how
>>>>>> bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self
>>>>>> interests.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>>>> rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus
>>>>>> let's
>>>>>> say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Top five national income tax rates.
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>>>>
>>>> So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...
>>>
>>> My point is that in exchange for their higher taxes, Europeans get a lot
>>> more
>>> than we do. Free university education. No/low co-pay healthcare
>>> including
>>> prescriptions. Vast public transportation networks that make it
>>> unnecessary to
>>> own a car for most people and one of the best quality road networks on
>>> the
>>> planet. European highways are built to last twice as long as ours.
>>>
>>> Caveat: Their defense budgets have historically been lower than ours
>>> owing to
>>> our investment in our mutual security. Think about post WW II. Who in
>>> their
>>> right mind would want to see Europe rearm itself? Nobody. For that
>>> reason, we
>>> dominated European security to avoid the risks of them rearming.
>>>
>>> That danger is now past with the EU and Schweringen so they can now arm
>>> themselves in earnest. And they are.
>>>
>>>> But let's go with income tax.
>>>>
>>>> In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of
>>>> your
>>>> income.
>>>
>>> Well, that's right wing propaganda because California, like federal, has
>>> a
>>> progressive tax rate and their top marginal rate is currently 14.4%.
>>> The
>>> federal is 37%, but those are "top marginal" rates. For those who don't
>>> know
>>> haw marginal rates work:
>>
>> You're just looking at income tax.. do you think that the ONLY tax that
>> exists?
>>
>> Heck, pretty soon Kamala would be evicting people from their homes
>> because they can't pay the 25% in the unrealized income from any increase
>> in the value of their home.
>>
>> Further, I don't see Europe ignoring their homeless while being able to
>> pay to fly illegal immigrants here and arranging their illegal entry into
>> the country, while then providing them housing, food, jobs,
>> transportation and legal representation while the government pretends
>> that deportation would ever occur for them.
>>
>> I wonder how much the money spend on opening the border and all the care
>> given to those who ignored are laws would have done to help our own
>> homeless and poor????
>>
>> I heard somewhere this has cost $451 Billion/year so far, and let's say
>> half of that/
>>
>> https://www.nationalreview.com/news/border-crisis-costs-american-taxpayers-451-billion-annually-house-gop-report-claims/
>>
>> We currently have (according to HUD, 653,104 homeless Americans) that's
>> $345,274 per person.
>>
>> In ONE year we could virtually eliminate our homeless problem and
>> certainly within 2.
>>
>> Instead, we allow a lot of homeless illegal immigrants who then compete
>> with poor americans for housing, jobs, food, etc.
>>
>> So tell me, give our TOTAL level of taxation is higher than in Europe..
>> why don't we have such things here????
>>
>> I mean Democrats are seriously talking about taxing money that people
>> don't even have.
>>
>> How long until grandma is evicted from her home because she can't pay the
>> 25% tax on the unrealized income made from the increase in property
>> values?
>
> "Fight to stop 96-year-old Pacific Grove woman's eviction continues"
>
> https://www.ksbw.com/article/california-96-year-old-pacific-grove-womans-eviction/62046753
>
>> Who will buy these homes? Corporations will who will then make you pay to
>> live in them because you can't afford to buy a home.
>
> That is exactly what they are doing and why homes have become
> unaffordable.
>
>> How about the 25% you will have to pay on the income your 401K, and what
>> will you do for retirement with the government sucking all that income
>> from your retirement account?
>
> Biden stole 30% from 401k savings in 2023.
>
>> And in the end will it really change how the rich do things? No, it
>> wont'.
>
> Putting Nancy Pelosi in jail for inside trading and graft would would be a
> good start.

That's one I could NEVER understand.. how did Congress EVER get to the point
that the laws they create for everyone else does NOT apply to them.

Frankly I would love to throw those those into jail.

Our leadership was NEVER suppose to be 'above the law' yet that's exactly
what we have. Further, due to insider trading, their decisions can now
become decided not what is best for the nation, but rather which stocks will
move the most and how much can they profit personally choosing B over A.

You will also note that THEIR retirement funds don't go into SSA, but rather
their own PRIVATE fund. Why is that? If SSA is good enough for the rest of
us it should be good enough for them.

Further as trustees of the SSA, the fact they have bleed the assets into
ultralow yield government bonds should be grounds from criminal charges.

I mean if I took my parent's trust fund and invested it in special low yield
stock in my company... I would be charged with embezzlement... but not
Congress critters.

Finally, on a last note they have by and large absolved most of their
legislative duties to flunkies. Specifically allowed government agencies and
departments generate 'directives' that have the nature and force of law.. if
they decide product X should be made illegal, it goes in the register and
wham bam it's now illegal after 90 days.. congress never even has to know
about it.

Heck, even when it comes to laws they create some are so broad and sweeping
as to be outside of their control. There use to be a law on the books for
endangered/threatened species that stated that any jurisdiction that applied
protections or limits on living things were also a matter of US law.

For example, in Maine, I think the smallest lobster you are allowed is 12",
yet there was some country somewhere that was trying to reestablish their
lobster population and they set a limit at 14 or 16 inches... In theory...
lobster boats could then be impounded, their crews subject to fines and
imprisonment because of a law some other nation made for THEIR situation.

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:42 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>> #NEVERtrump
>
>Rudy left utterly speechless.. So much for his claims then.

You must be getting desperate if you're calling me "Rudy" again.

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On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:48:55 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:fkqedj9og6n3k9tv8gj19daroi26mvd4rp@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 3 Sep 2024 09:30:08 -0500, "Scout" wrote:
>>>"Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>>>> services:
>>>>>>> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run
>>>>>>> (&
>>>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll
>>>>>> be the lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught
>>>>>> fire because a neighbor didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>>>
>>>>>Agreed.
>>>>>
>>>>>This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>>>>bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>>>>go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>>>
>>>>>FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>>>>frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>>>>higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>>>>rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>>>>say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>>>
>>>> Top five national income tax rates.
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>>>
>>>So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...
>>
>> My point is that in exchange for their higher taxes, Europeans get a lot
>> more
>> than we do. Free university education. No/low co-pay healthcare
>> including
>> prescriptions. Vast public transportation networks that make it
>> unnecessary to
>> own a car for most people and one of the best quality road networks on the
>> planet. European highways are built to last twice as long as ours.
>>
>> Caveat: Their defense budgets have historically been lower than ours
>> owing to
>> our investment in our mutual security. Think about post WW II. Who in
>> their
>> right mind would want to see Europe rearm itself? Nobody. For that
>> reason, we
>> dominated European security to avoid the risks of them rearming.
>>
>> That danger is now past with the EU and Schweringen so they can now arm
>> themselves in earnest. And they are.
>>
>>>But let's go with income tax.
>>>
>>>In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
>>>income.
>>
>> Well, that's right wing propaganda because California, like federal, has a
>> progressive tax rate and their top marginal rate is currently 14.4%. The
>> federal is 37%, but those are "top marginal" rates. For those who don't
>> know
>> haw marginal rates work:
>
>You're just looking at income tax.. do you think that the ONLY tax that
>exists?

YOU specified income tax just above. YOU wrote:

>>>But let's go with income tax.
>>>
>>>In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
>>>income.

See? YOU specified income tax takes half. YOU were wrong. I am rubbing it in
because you will never, ever admit you made a mistake.

I think that makes the rest of this irrelevant especially since neither of us
resides in California and California tax law is not federally binding.

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On 9/3/24 10:30 AM, Scout wrote:
>
>
> "Governor Swill" <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6m15djtbm8216boroq5e2jdmmhnojrfei6@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 16:13:21 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/30/24 3:41 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh
>>>> <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com>
>>>> wrote:
>> <snip>
>>>>> ...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather
>>>>> services:
>>>>>   better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>>>>> individual citizen to replace just these services with privately
>>>>> run (&
>>>>> for-profit) services.
>>>>
>>>> I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings.  Then there'll
>>>> be the
>>>> lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a
>>>> neighbor
>>>> didn't have a fire service contract.
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>>
>>> This is merely YA example of where it becomes painfully clear just how
>>> bad many people are at actually developing an expenses budget, and then
>>> go on to make bad decisions that are against their own self interests.
>>>
>>> FWIW, another common example of this is how they claim that EU taxes are
>>> frightfully bad (eg, 44%), not realizing that it includes healthcare and
>>> higher education, so the correct comparison starts their own 22% Fed
>>> rate, but then adds +32% ($25K/Median Income) for healthcare, plus let's
>>> say +1% for college/etc, for (22% + 32% + 1%) = 55% >> more than EU.
>>
>> Top five national income tax rates.
>> <https://www.youtube.com/shorts/H1LJylHMPz0>
>
> So you're trying to prove your point by ignoring many taxes...

Sure, because my point was already made, without needing to add these on
too: they only make my point stronger, not weaker.

> But let's go with income tax..
>
> In California combined state and federal income tax takes over 50% of your
> income.
>
> That doesn't even consider:
>
> Air Transportation Taxes
> Biodiesel Fuel Taxes
> Building Permit Taxes
> Business Registration Fees
> Capital Gains Taxes
> Cigarette Taxes
> Court Fines
> Disposal Fees
> Dog License Taxes
> Drivers License Fees
> Employer Health Insurance Mandate Tax
> Employer Medicare Taxes
> Employer Social Security Taxes
> Environmental Fees
> Estate Taxes
> Excise Taxes On Comprehensive Health Insurance Plans
> Federal Corporate Taxes
> Federal Income Taxes
> Federal Unemployment Taxes
> Fishing License Taxes
> Flush Taxes
> Food And Beverage License Fees
> Franchise Business Taxes
> Garbage Taxes
> Gasoline Taxes
> Gift Taxes
> Gun Ownership Permits
> Hazardous Material Disposal Fees
> Highway Access Fees
> Hotel Taxes (these are becoming quite large in some areas)
> Hunting License Taxes
> Import Taxes
> Individual Health Insurance Mandate Taxes
> Inheritance Taxes
> Insect Control Hazardous Materials Licenses
> Inspection Fees
> Insurance Premium Taxes
> Interstate User Diesel Fuel Taxes
> Inventory Taxes
> IRA Early Withdrawal Taxes
> IRS Interest Charges
> IRS Penalties
> Library Taxes
> License Plate Fees
> Liquor Taxes
> Local Corporate Taxes
> Local Income Taxes
> Local School Taxes
> Local Unemployment Taxes
> Luxury Taxes
> Marriage License Taxes
> Medicare Taxes
> Medicare Tax Surcharge On High Earning Americans Under Obamacare
> Obamacare Individual Mandate Excise Tax
> Obamacare Surtax On Investment Income
> Parking Meters
> Passport Fees
> Professional Licenses And Fees (another form of taxation)
> Property Taxes
> Real Estate Taxes
> Recreational Vehicle Taxes
> Registration Fees For New Businesses
> Toll Booth Taxes
> Sales Taxes
> Self-Employment Taxes
> Sewer & Water Taxes
> School Taxes
> Septic Permit Taxes
> Service Charge Taxes
> Social Security Taxes
> Special Assessments For Road Repairs Or Construction
> Sports Stadium Taxes
> State Corporate Taxes
> State Income Taxes
> State Park Entrance Fees
> State Unemployment Taxes (SUTA)
> Tanning Taxes
> Telephone 911 Service Taxes
> Telephone Federal Excise Taxes
> Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Taxes
> Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Taxes
> Telephone State And Local Taxes
> Telephone Universal Access Taxes
> The Alternative Minimum Tax
> Tire Recycling Fees
> Tire Taxes
> Tolls
> Traffic Fines
> Use Taxes
> Utility Taxes
> Vehicle Registration Taxes
> Waste Management Taxes
> Water Rights Fees
> Watercraft Registration & Licensing Fees
> Well Permit Fees
> Workers Compensation Taxes
> Zoning Permit Fees

Yup, and when we work down through the details for each of them, it
simply increases the cost margin that I was referring to of US vs EU in
terms of how much is being taken away from one's income: it is worse in
the US than in much of the EU.

Your list "dog piles" even more costs onto US taxpayers, where I've
already shown just how clueless (low information? bad at math?) many
Americans are about the total costs of governance, when they incorrectly
claim that the US is "cheap" and the EU is "expensive".

-hh

In article <8tmhdj19iqrds6dprpvs6belv9qgvek4ab@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:42 -0500, "Scout"
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >> #NEVERtrump
> >
> >Rudy left utterly speechless.. So much for his claims then.
>
> You must be getting desperate if you're calling me "Rudy" again.

You act just like him.