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* The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 yeJohn Smyth
+* Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 2Mitchell Holman
|`* The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the TalibanChris Ahlstrom
| +* Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the TalibanMitchell Holman
| |`* Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the TalibanGovernor Swill
| | `- Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the TalibanLil dwarf Rudey
| `- Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the TalibanGronk
+* Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 2pothead
|+- Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 2Mitchell Holman
|`* Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 2Governor Swill
| +- Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 2Snit
| `- Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20Lil dwarf Rudey
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Subject: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
From: John Smyth
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The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
than 20 years'
Losses included 'ground, gear, friends, and the future'

<https://www.wnd.com/2024/08/the-truth-about-afghanistan-biden-surrendered-to-our-enemy-of-more-than-20-years/>

'President Biden said he ended the war in Afghanistan.

In truth he abandoned it.

Over 20 years, 800,000 young Americans did their duty to country by
serving in Afghanistan. Of those, 20,000 were wounded, and more than
2,000 were killed.

Our mission was twofold: defeat the Taliban on the ground; and build a
new military, a democratic government, a new Afghanistan.

The first part of the mission was clear, and when we killed Osama bin
Laden in May 2011, there was a feeling among many in the armed forces
that we had finished the harder task.

The mission's second objective, however, proved to be the more
difficult. If building a nation sounds ambitious, complex, even
foolhardy, it was all those things. For conventional troops, it was
often unclear whether we were fighting a war, investigating a crime, or
participating in a massive public works project to build a modern
nation-state brick-by-brick, road-by-road.

Ask anyone who trained Afghan conventional troops and they will say
progress was slow, excruciatingly so. But because it is not in the
nature of U.S. soldiers and Marines to shirk a task, we just kept
working, persisting in our effort to complete the counterinsurgency
mission, believing success was possible, even if took 100 years.

Three years ago this week, President Biden ended that effort,
relinquishing ground, gear, friends, and the future to our enemy of more
than 20 years. We left behind $7 billion worth of weapons and equipment.
We stranded thousands of American citizens, and discarded many thousands
more of our Afghan allies. Thirteen American service members were killed
at Abbey Gate. The chaos and abandonment surrounding our final flight
from Afghanistan overshadowed many individual acts of heroism.

Biden's response to that dishonorable conclusion was prevarication.

"Our mission in Afghanistan was never supposed to have been nation
building," he asserted last August, disowning a mission he helped create
while serving as U.S. Senator and chair of the U.S. Senate Foreign
Relations Committee. Even CNN called his statements "inaccurate," given
that Biden "explicitly and repeatedly" advocated nation building in the
early years of the war in Afghanistan.

Biden is a president heavily invested in symbols and optics, and history
will hold his decisions to account by one picture: a swarm of Afghan
peasants hanging off the wings of a plane, striving to not be abandoned
to a future under the Taliban. Biden failed to do a hard thing the right
way, winding down the war with the same care and seriousness taken by a
generation of Americans who walked patrols in that country since 2001.

Watching events unfold on television, many veterans recognized not only
that our effort had been in vain, but that we had labored under a
delusion—that the Afghan war was worth fighting, that our leaders
believed in the mission, that there were good reasons to take lives on
the battlefield.

Once the scales fell from our eyes – not for the first time in the
country's history – we resented the politicians whose words and
decisions guided our actions.

Worst of all, we began to doubt ourselves. I remember the first time I
saw a dead Afghan fighter. I'd expected a seasoned warrior – ribbons of
ammunition strung across his chest, eyes burning with extremist fervor –
not the thin, crumpled body of a peasant boy in a ditch.

The shame has intensified, not abated, in the years since that
discovery.

Having poured ourselves into a cause that never should have been, the
patriotism of youth is overtaken by the uncertainty of living in an
America that is not what it claims to be. The mission vacated, many
veterans no longer know who we are, or who we were, or why we did the
things we did. We broke promises to our Afghan partners, but more
importantly to those killed and wounded, and to their families.

So, what kind of country does that make us?

In his novel A Long Long Way, Irish writer Sebastian Barry tells the
story of Willie Dunne, a boy from Dublin who leaves his family to fight
for the Allies in World War I. Willie returns from war to find his
country changed, divided into factions, ripping itself apart over
politics and more.

"How could a fella go out and fight for his country," Willie wonders,
"when his country would dissolve behind him like sugar in the rain?"'

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
From: Mitchell Holman
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Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
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John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:6ri6djlv11737o5tpatq97quj4okg71o4v@4ax.com:

> The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
> than 20 years'

What made Afghanistan our enemy?

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
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On 2024-08-31, John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
> than 20 years'
> Losses included 'ground, gear, friends, and the future'
>
><https://www.wnd.com/2024/08/the-truth-about-afghanistan-biden-surrendered-to-our-enemy-of-more-than-20-years/>
>
> 'President Biden said he ended the war in Afghanistan.
>
> In truth he abandoned it.
>
> Over 20 years, 800,000 young Americans did their duty to country by
> serving in Afghanistan. Of those, 20,000 were wounded, and more than
> 2,000 were killed.
>
> Our mission was twofold: defeat the Taliban on the ground; and build a
> new military, a democratic government, a new Afghanistan.
>
> The first part of the mission was clear, and when we killed Osama bin
> Laden in May 2011, there was a feeling among many in the armed forces
> that we had finished the harder task.
>
> The mission's second objective, however, proved to be the more
> difficult. If building a nation sounds ambitious, complex, even
> foolhardy, it was all those things. For conventional troops, it was
> often unclear whether we were fighting a war, investigating a crime, or
> participating in a massive public works project to build a modern
> nation-state brick-by-brick, road-by-road.
>
> Ask anyone who trained Afghan conventional troops and they will say
> progress was slow, excruciatingly so. But because it is not in the
> nature of U.S. soldiers and Marines to shirk a task, we just kept
> working, persisting in our effort to complete the counterinsurgency
> mission, believing success was possible, even if took 100 years.
>
> Three years ago this week, President Biden ended that effort,
> relinquishing ground, gear, friends, and the future to our enemy of more
> than 20 years. We left behind $7 billion worth of weapons and equipment.
> We stranded thousands of American citizens, and discarded many thousands
> more of our Afghan allies. Thirteen American service members were killed
> at Abbey Gate. The chaos and abandonment surrounding our final flight
> from Afghanistan overshadowed many individual acts of heroism.
>
>
> Biden's response to that dishonorable conclusion was prevarication.
>
> "Our mission in Afghanistan was never supposed to have been nation
> building," he asserted last August, disowning a mission he helped create
> while serving as U.S. Senator and chair of the U.S. Senate Foreign
> Relations Committee. Even CNN called his statements "inaccurate," given
> that Biden "explicitly and repeatedly" advocated nation building in the
> early years of the war in Afghanistan.
>
> Biden is a president heavily invested in symbols and optics, and history
> will hold his decisions to account by one picture: a swarm of Afghan
> peasants hanging off the wings of a plane, striving to not be abandoned
> to a future under the Taliban. Biden failed to do a hard thing the right
> way, winding down the war with the same care and seriousness taken by a
> generation of Americans who walked patrols in that country since 2001.
>
> Watching events unfold on television, many veterans recognized not only
> that our effort had been in vain, but that we had labored under a
> delusion—that the Afghan war was worth fighting, that our leaders
> believed in the mission, that there were good reasons to take lives on
> the battlefield.
>
> Once the scales fell from our eyes – not for the first time in the
> country's history – we resented the politicians whose words and
> decisions guided our actions.
>
> Worst of all, we began to doubt ourselves. I remember the first time I
> saw a dead Afghan fighter. I'd expected a seasoned warrior – ribbons of
> ammunition strung across his chest, eyes burning with extremist fervor –
> not the thin, crumpled body of a peasant boy in a ditch.
>
> The shame has intensified, not abated, in the years since that
> discovery.
>
> Having poured ourselves into a cause that never should have been, the
> patriotism of youth is overtaken by the uncertainty of living in an
> America that is not what it claims to be. The mission vacated, many
> veterans no longer know who we are, or who we were, or why we did the
> things we did. We broke promises to our Afghan partners, but more
> importantly to those killed and wounded, and to their families.
>
> So, what kind of country does that make us?
>
> In his novel A Long Long Way, Irish writer Sebastian Barry tells the
> story of Willie Dunne, a boy from Dublin who leaves his family to fight
> for the Allies in World War I. Willie returns from war to find his
> country changed, divided into factions, ripping itself apart over
> politics and more.
>
> "How could a fella go out and fight for his country," Willie wonders,
> "when his country would dissolve behind him like sugar in the rain?"'

Biden/Harris are a disgrace to the country.
And now our enemy, the Taliban, is flourishing thanks to their ineptness.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

Subject: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the Taliban
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Mitchell Holman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:6ri6djlv11737o5tpatq97quj4okg71o4v@4ax.com:
>
>> The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
>> than 20 years'

Actually, that was Trump, in his deal with the Taliban to exit Afghanistan.

Which he left in Biden's lap.

Hell, Trump was going to invite the Taliban to Camp David!

> What made Afghanistan our enemy?

That's probably a lonnnng story.

--
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and REFINING industry of the state of NEVADA!!

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the Taliban
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote in
news:vb1jea$1f97h$12@dont-email.me:

> Mitchell Holman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6ri6djlv11737o5tpatq97quj4okg71o4v@4ax.com:
>>
>>> The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
>>> than 20 years'
>
> Actually, that was Trump, in his deal with the Taliban to exit
> Afghanistan.
>
> Which he left in Biden's lap.
>
> Hell, Trump was going to invite the Taliban to Camp David!
>
>> What made Afghanistan our enemy?
>
> That's probably a lonnnng story.
>

If there were any justice the
Gold Star families would be picketing
George Bush's house, demanding to
know what their sacrifice was for.

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
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pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vb0i76$17qkc$4@dont-email.me:

>
>
> Biden/Harris are a disgrace to the country.
> And now our enemy, the Taliban, is flourishing thanks to their
> ineptness.

It will never be said that Biden/Harris
sat down with Taliban and offered to surrender
to them.

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more than 20 years'
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:06:30 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>And now our enemy, the Taliban, is flourishing thanks to their ineptness.

Trump was the one who negotiated our capitulation to the terrorist group that
harbored Bin Laden and smuggled him into Pakistan.

Apparently all Chinese children learning the piano know a tune called, 'Knife
And Fork'.
--
#NEVERtrump
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On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:06:30 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>And now our enemy, the Taliban, is flourishing thanks to their ineptness.

Trump was the one who negotiated our capitulation to the terrorist group that
harbored Bin Laden and smuggled him into Pakistan.

Apparently all Chinese children learning the piano know a tune called, 'Knife
And Fork'.
--
#NEVERtrump

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the Taliban
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On Sun, 01 Sep 2024 13:34:46 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

> If there were any justice the
>Gold Star families would be picketing
>George Bush's house, demanding to
>know what their sacrifice was for.

If there was any justice, the
Gold Star families would be picketing
George Bush's grave, demanding to
know what their sacrifice was for.

My girlfriend said the other day, "I want to talk." I said, "Well, just keep
practicing."
--
#NEVERtrump

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On Sep 1, 2024 at 11:21:23 AM MST, "Governor Swill" wrote
<53c9dj1f46sglg323vld586bsgsn1s1d5l@4ax.com>:

> On Sun, 1 Sep 2024 02:06:30 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> And now our enemy, the Taliban, is flourishing thanks to their ineptness.
>
> Trump was the one who negotiated our capitulation to the terrorist group that
> harbored Bin Laden and smuggled him into Pakistan.
>
>
> Apparently all Chinese children learning the piano know a tune called, 'Knife
> And Fork'.

Took me a minute. LOL!

> --
> #NEVERtrump

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? Trump surrendered to the Taliban
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Governor Swill wrote:
> just keep
> practicing."

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
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U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
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Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


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Governor Swill wrote:
> 'Knife
> And Fork'.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.


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Subject: Re: The truth about Afghanistan? #FelonDon blindsided our military
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John Smyth wrote:
> The truth about Afghanistan?

https://news.yahoo.com/pompeo-confronted-fox-news-legitimising-204957342.html

Pic of Mike Pompeo meeting with Taliban leader
comes back to haunt him as he critiques Biden
on Afghanistan

Mr Wallace responded, however, by pointing out
that Mr Pompeo himself had pushed to legitimise
the Taliban’s leadership under the Trump
administration, which eventually inked a
ceasefire deal that largely resulted in the
Taliban shifting their military attacks to
target local security forces and the Afghan
National Army.

"Do you regret giving the Taliban that legitimacy?
Do you regret pressing the Afghan government to
release 5,000 prisoners, which they did, some of
whom are now back on the battlefield fighting with
the Taliban?" asked Mr Wallace.

https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-islamic-state-group-taliban-politics-afghanistan-01ac38c793ca71a2ec099c226e50e7c8

October 8, 2020

The U.S. military was blindsided Thursday by
President Donald Trump’s assertion that all U.S.
troops will be out of Afghanistan by the end of
the year, with U.S. officials saying they are
not aware of such a plan and have gotten no
actual order to accelerate the more gradual
pullout they’ve been executing.

Trump’s comments, laid out in a confusing
progression of comments and a tweet, alarmed
Pentagon and State officials who fear that
putting a definitive date on troop withdrawal
could undercut negotiations to finalize a peace
deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government.
They also fear a hasty withdrawal could force the
U.S. to leave behind sensitive military equipment.
And they continue to stress that the Taliban has
still not met requirements to reduce violence
against the Afghans, a key element of the U.S.
withdrawal plan.

The Taliban welcomed Trump’s announcements ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-prisoners-peace-talks.html

President Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan on Sunday
said his government would release a last batch of
Taliban prisoners, removing the final hurdle in
the way of direct negotiations with the insurgents
to end the country’s long war.

His announcement came after a consultative
assembly where he had been advised by thousands of
representatives from across the country.

The release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, which the
United States agreed to in a February deal with the
insurgents that also began the phased withdrawal of
American troops, faced opposition from the Afghan
government, which is holding the prisoners. After
prolonged pressure from the Trump administration,
Mr. Ghani released 4,600 prisoners from a list
provided by the Taliban but called for consultations
over 400, who he said were accused or convicted of
major crimes, including murder, that were beyond his
authority to pardon.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-afghanistan-taliba/taliban-step-up-attacks-on-afghan-forces-since-signing-u-s-deal-data-idUSKBN22D5S7
MAY 1, 2020

The Taliban have mounted more than 4,500 attacks
in Afghanistan, marking a sharp escalation in
violence, in the 45 days since signing a deal
with the United States that paves the way for a
U.S. troop drawdown, according to data seen by
Reuters.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/

President Trump's reelection bid received a vote
of support Friday from an entity most in his party
would reject: the Taliban.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News
in a phone interview, "We believe that Trump is
going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American
people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so
it is possible that the U.S. people who experienced
deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."

Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We
hope he will win the election and wind up U.S.
military presence in Afghanistan."

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:6ri6djlv11737o5tpatq97quj4okg71o4v@4ax.com:
>>
>>> The truth about Afghanistan? Biden surrendered 'to our enemy of more
>>> than 20 years'
>
> Actually, that was Trump, in his deal with the Taliban to exit Afghanistan.
>
> Which he left in Biden's lap.
>
> Hell, Trump was going to invite the Taliban to Camp David!
>
>> What made Afghanistan our enemy?
>
> That's probably a lonnnng story.
>

https://news.yahoo.com/pompeo-confronted-fox-news-legitimising-204957342.html

Pic of Mike Pompeo meeting with Taliban leader
comes back to haunt him as he critiques Biden
on Afghanistan

Mr Wallace responded, however, by pointing out
that Mr Pompeo himself had pushed to legitimise
the Taliban’s leadership under the Trump
administration, which eventually inked a
ceasefire deal that largely resulted in the
Taliban shifting their military attacks to
target local security forces and the Afghan
National Army.

"Do you regret giving the Taliban that legitimacy?
Do you regret pressing the Afghan government to
release 5,000 prisoners, which they did, some of
whom are now back on the battlefield fighting with
the Taliban?" asked Mr Wallace.

https://apnews.com/article/asia-pacific-islamic-state-group-taliban-politics-afghanistan-01ac38c793ca71a2ec099c226e50e7c8

October 8, 2020

The U.S. military was blindsided Thursday by
President Donald Trump’s assertion that all U.S.
troops will be out of Afghanistan by the end of
the year, with U.S. officials saying they are
not aware of such a plan and have gotten no
actual order to accelerate the more gradual
pullout they’ve been executing.

Trump’s comments, laid out in a confusing
progression of comments and a tweet, alarmed
Pentagon and State officials who fear that
putting a definitive date on troop withdrawal
could undercut negotiations to finalize a peace
deal between the Taliban and the Afghan government.
They also fear a hasty withdrawal could force the
U.S. to leave behind sensitive military equipment.
And they continue to stress that the Taliban has
still not met requirements to reduce violence
against the Afghans, a key element of the U.S.
withdrawal plan.

The Taliban welcomed Trump’s announcements ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/09/world/asia/afghanistan-taliban-prisoners-peace-talks.html

President Ashraf Ghani of Afghanistan on Sunday
said his government would release a last batch of
Taliban prisoners, removing the final hurdle in
the way of direct negotiations with the insurgents
to end the country’s long war.

His announcement came after a consultative
assembly where he had been advised by thousands of
representatives from across the country.

The release of 5,000 Taliban prisoners, which the
United States agreed to in a February deal with the
insurgents that also began the phased withdrawal of
American troops, faced opposition from the Afghan
government, which is holding the prisoners. After
prolonged pressure from the Trump administration,
Mr. Ghani released 4,600 prisoners from a list
provided by the Taliban but called for consultations
over 400, who he said were accused or convicted of
major crimes, including murder, that were beyond his
authority to pardon.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-afghanistan-taliba/taliban-step-up-attacks-on-afghan-forces-since-signing-u-s-deal-data-idUSKBN22D5S7
MAY 1, 2020

The Taliban have mounted more than 4,500 attacks
in Afghanistan, marking a sharp escalation in
violence, in the 45 days since signing a deal
with the United States that paves the way for a
U.S. troop drawdown, according to data seen by
Reuters.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/

President Trump's reelection bid received a vote
of support Friday from an entity most in his party
would reject: the Taliban.

Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News
in a phone interview, "We believe that Trump is
going to win the upcoming election because he
has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American
people, although he might have missed some small
things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so
it is possible that the U.S. people who experienced
deceptions in the past will once again trust
Trump for his decisive actions."

Another senior Taliban leader told CBS News, "We
hope he will win the election and wind up U.S.
military presence in Afghanistan."

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