pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vaquda$5aat$5@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <XnsB1DD4B1A031E2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
>> says...
>>>
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>>> news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>> > On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>> >>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> >>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>> >>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>> >>> Sept 9 2020
>>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>> >>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>> >>> Sept 25, 2020
>>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Federal spending went up every
>>> >>>year under Trump.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Except all the regulations
>>> >>>Republicans want.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Deficit explodes.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>> >>>Trump-style
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> By playing nice with all the
>>> >>>dictators who start them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing
>>> >> WWIII. Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a
>>> >> cataclysmal period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's
>>> >> why numerous Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT.
>>> >> We are the only coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make
>>> >> America Great Again"?! Says who, Donald? What was so "great"
>>> >> about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or whatever, sir? Your economy
>>> >> isn't magic except for those who directly benefit from it, which
>>> >> is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the working, blue
>>> >> collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it matters, but
>>> >> it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>> >> environment.
>>> >>
>>> >> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>> >> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference.
>>> >> Right-wing can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a
>>> >> think tank, to get us into more debt. Democrats have the record
>>> >> of countering that.
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
>>> unemployment, factories opening up
>>> everywhere, vacation spending up.
>>> Who will save from this catastrophe?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Show us the authority of a vice
>>> president to do anything.
>>>
>>>
>>> > She has done
>>> > nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
>>> > anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular
>>> > union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support
>>> > the same candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the
>>> > research.
>>> >
>>>
>>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
>>> harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/
>>>
>>>
>>> > So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris
>>> > promised would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone
>>> > pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>>> > programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place. Hint:
>>> > China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lithium mining by country:
>>>
>>> 1 Australia
>>> 2 Chile
>>> 3 China
>>> 4 Argentina
>>> 5 Brazil
>>> 6 Zimbabwe
>>> 7 Portugal
>>> 8 Canada
>>>
>>> https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
>>> lithium-producing-countries
>>>
>>> >
>>> > You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>>> > You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>>
>>>
>>> Trump had his chance gto "make
>>> America great" before, we got a
>>> failed wall, massive job losses,
>>> massive deficits, and hundreds of
>>> associates arrested. Time for a
>>> change.
>>>
>>
>> To what? High prices? More crime and wars? You have had over 3 years
>> to make a "change">
>
> The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual
> they can't see the forest for the trees.
>
> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>
> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%

Some context.

Following Covid the WHOLE WORLD
went thru a inflationary spike.
Biden kept ours relatively low.

Country........Inflation Rate

Canada............6.9
Australia.........7.1
United States.....7.7
Mexico............8.41
Germany...........10.4
Europe............10.6
United Kingdom....11.1
Italy.............11.8
Russia............12.6
Netherlands.......14.3
Turkey............85.51

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

> No wars.

Tell that to the Syrians
and Iraqis and Afghans.

> No 12 million or more illegal migrants.

Your unproven fantasy.

> Low crime.

Crime has fallen every year under
Biden, it actually went up in 2019
under Trump.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-
in-the-usa-since-1990/

>
> Life under Trump, COVID aside, was good.

Assuming you are a millionaire.

> Life under Biden/Harris is absolutely miserable.

That explains why Americans
are splurging on vacations and
new boats and new RV's and new
cars and holiday spending. Right.

Spring Break 2024 Travel Surge Breaks Records
Apr 4, 2024
https://www.getzippin.com/blog/spring-break-2024

Job growth zoomed in March as payrolls
jumped by 303,000 and unemployment
dropped to 3.8%
APR 5 2024
https://tinyurl.com/35u6fk26

U.S. Employers Added 303,000 Jobs in
39th Straight Month of Growth
Apr 3 2024
https://tinyurl.com/4yymx35v

Cruise Bookings Hit Record Levels in 2024
January 12, 2024
https://tinyurl.com/2k6r64kc

Holiday spending sets new record online
01/04/24
https://tinyurl.com/3yhwh8bh

US new vehicle sales up 12.8% in 2023
Dec 22 2023
https://tinyurl.com/3za7fwdb

February auto sales jump 24 per cent
to highest-ever sales for the month
March 4, 2024
https://tinyurl.com/27uwvcps

U.S. home sales rise by most in over 3 years
January 26, 2024
https://tinyurl.com/mrmta8wz

Cruise bookings are so hot that some
lines are running out of inventory
Oct. 02, 2023
https://tinyurl.com/bddwrd8n

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%

And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
President.

Trump/Vance 2024
<https://www.gocomics.com/claybennett/2024/08/09>

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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 19:43:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>
>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>> voter".
>>
>>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>
>>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>
>><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>html>
>>
>>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>
>>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>
>>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>
>>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>month prior.*
>>
>>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>
>>Similar to a previous false claim
>>
>>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>
>>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>
>>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>
>
>Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>recovering from the pandemic.
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On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 19:43:51 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>recovering from the pandemic.

Since the MAGAs are intent on blaming Biden for inflation that happened on his
watch, it seems only fair for Trump to take the full blame for COVID and the
poor policies that ultimately drove unemployment into double digits and crashed
the economy leaving it to Biden to fix.

Today, we have the most successful economy on the planet, bar none and it's all
because of Biden's $2T American Rescue Plan.

Favorite uncle, creepy neighbor
<https://www.gocomics.com/claybennett/2024/08/10>

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On 30 Aug 2024 00:24:01 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
wrote:

>She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>more intelligent than you are.

The only thing pothead did was prove his partisanship blinds him to the facts of
the matter.

But that's ok. Blaming Biden for inflation means we get to blame Trump for
COVID and the 2020 implosion of the US economy that Biden had to fix.

Conservative logic: Welfare mothers having child after child to be raised and
educated at public expense is cheaper than providing free birth control to them.
-- Mitchell Holman

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On 30 Aug 2024 01:34:03 GMT, Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com>
wrote:

>Your dancing is lame. The link was from CNN but you can find the same data all over the net.
>I didn't see FoxNews mentioned.
>Here is one. The numbers are close to what she posted.
>https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
>Admit it, you were humiliated by a female.

The one thing you can't explain is what caused the inflation.

Obama vs Trump
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MlyYVq_bZL8>

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On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 02:17:55 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote
<snip>
>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>
>
> Some context.
>
> Following Covid the WHOLE WORLD
>went thru a inflationary spike.
>Biden kept ours relatively low.
>
>
>
>
>Country........Inflation Rate
>
>Canada............6.9
>Australia.........7.1
>United States.....7.7
>Mexico............8.41
>Germany...........10.4
>Europe............10.6
>United Kingdom....11.1
>Italy.............11.8
>Russia............12.6
>Netherlands.......14.3
>Turkey............85.51
>
>https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

>> No wars.
>
> Tell that to the Syrians
>and Iraqis and Afghans.
>
>
>> No 12 million or more illegal migrants.
>
>
> Your unproven fantasy.
>
>
>
>> Low crime.
>
>
> Crime has fallen every year under
>Biden, it actually went up in 2019
>under Trump.
>
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-
>in-the-usa-since-1990/

It went up again in 2020.
>> Life under Trump, COVID aside, was good.
>
>
> Assuming you are a millionaire.
>
>
>> Life under Biden/Harris is absolutely miserable.
>
>
> That explains why Americans
>are splurging on vacations and
>new boats and new RV's and new
>cars and holiday spending. Right.
>
>
>
>
>Spring Break 2024 Travel Surge Breaks Records
>Apr 4, 2024
>https://www.getzippin.com/blog/spring-break-2024
>
>
>
>Job growth zoomed in March as payrolls
>jumped by 303,000 and unemployment
>dropped to 3.8%
>APR 5 2024
>https://tinyurl.com/35u6fk26
>
>
>
>U.S. Employers Added 303,000 Jobs in
>39th Straight Month of Growth
>Apr 3 2024
>https://tinyurl.com/4yymx35v
>
>
>
>Cruise Bookings Hit Record Levels in 2024
>January 12, 2024
>https://tinyurl.com/2k6r64kc
>
>
>
>Holiday spending sets new record online
>01/04/24
>https://tinyurl.com/3yhwh8bh
>
>
>
>US new vehicle sales up 12.8% in 2023
>Dec 22 2023
>https://tinyurl.com/3za7fwdb
>
>
>February auto sales jump 24 per cent
>to highest-ever sales for the month
>March 4, 2024
>https://tinyurl.com/27uwvcps
>
>
>U.S. home sales rise by most in over 3 years
>January 26, 2024
>https://tinyurl.com/mrmta8wz
>
>
>Cruise bookings are so hot that some
>lines are running out of inventory
>Oct. 02, 2023
>https://tinyurl.com/bddwrd8n
>
>
>
>Boat Sales Are on the Rise in U.S.
>December 6, 2023
>https://tinyurl.com/2rvhtbep

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On 8/29/24 8:27 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:56:42 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/29/24 1:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <vaodpk$3lnmn$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>>>
>>> Hasn't hurt anything yet.
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>>>
>>> Giving fence jumpers more than a vet gets.
>>
>>
>> Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?
>>
>>
>>> Giving tons of money to other
>>> countries that launder it and never pay it back.
>>
>> Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?
>>
>> Make sure to include the part on how it was a loan and not a gift.
>>
>> Similarly, contemplate the pros/cons of foreign aid which is intended to
>> allow those foreigners to stay in their home country, instead of seeking
>> to emigrate to the USA. Likewise, look at the business angle from such
>> economic development to cultivate markets for US manufacturers to have
>> an export market to sell goods to too.
>
> MAGAnoids aren't going to understand something that complex or nuanced.

I can excuse regular folk for not understanding complexities of second
and third order effects...

....but where MAGA brains blow up is that they can't even comprehend the
most simple first order stuff. It seems that they only see money being
sent out of the USA, and don't comprehend that is is buying something.

> Foreign aid is also a facet of national security. Taking actions contrary to US
> interests is a good way to have your aid cut. The Egyptians discovered this
> after they threw out Mubarak. The winning Muslim brotherhood made it very clear
> they weren't going to abide by the Camp David accords and also started
> persecuting Coptic Christians.
>
> The US abruptly stopped aid payments (a billion a year to the military, the
> lion's share of their budget at that time) so the military promptly threw out
> the brotherhood and selected a US/Israel friendly guy to run the country in
> order to get the cash flowing again.

Interesting; I recall the Brotherhood, but I'd missed (or forgotten)
that geopolitical chess piece...was wondering what happened to them.

> Wine tasting
> <https://www.gocomics.com/jeffstahler/2024/08/07>

LOL. Needs one now for FL/OH that is a very pissant bitter vinegar!

-hh

On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>
> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.

Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.

The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.

But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:

I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.

....and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
for-profit) services.

-hh

On 8/29/24 9:02 PM, Joel wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>> voter".
>>>>
>>>> Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>
>>>> Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>> html>
>>>>
>>>> ' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>> inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>
>>>> Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>> Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>> in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>
>>>> Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>> interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>> 9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>
>>>> *Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>> true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>> 1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>> after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>> recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>> month prior.*
>>>>
>>>> In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>> was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>> 2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>> increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>> Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>> months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>
>>>> Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>> in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>> a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>
>>>> A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>> factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>> around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>
>>>> The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>> Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>> wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>
>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>
>> She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>> demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>> more intelligent than you are.
>
>
> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>

This is a good example of attempted propaganda, as it used "truthful"
data to substantiate the propaganda's claim, as it allows people to
forget to test the underlying premise for its inherent validity.

What's invalid here is the implicit assumption that the economy has zero
inertia, such that a change in fiscal policy will cause a sudden and
large change within hours/days/etc: it simply does not work that way.

Case in point, household savings exists, which is a fiscal buffer
between expenses vs income. That's fiscal "inertia" which creates a lag
between changes in inputs and subsequent outputs.

For example, if one has 6 months worth of savings, if one's paycheck
were to suddenly stop, one's payments of bills isn't going to drop to
literally zero within just the first month: even if you reduce your
immediate spending, that savings gives you time to fix the income
revenue side (eg, go look for a new job) and stabilize your cash flow.

In the case of our recent inflation, much of it was due to an imbalance
in fiscal stimulus vs supply (eg, "too much" stimulus money).
Fortunately, much of the pandemic stimulus checks to households wasn't
spent, but saved:

"Over the pandemic, historic levels of government transfers boosted
household income while household spending was severely curtailed by
social distancing. This led the personal saving rate to soar (Figure 1),
and we estimate that U.S. households accumulated about $2.3 trillion in
savings in 2020 and through the summer of 2021, above and beyond what
they would have saved if income and spending components had grown at
recent, pre-pandemic trends."

<https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/excess-savings-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-20221021.html>

But much of this 'free money' has now been spent, which is why there
was a lag between when the checks were sent and when the inflation it
caused was recorded.

YA example of a 2nd order fiscal effect that's not easy for the general
public to understand, even though they participated in causing it.

-hh

-hh

In article <nav1djdnm7imcbljt93b6iqa7c0javrc82@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
> >>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
> >>>
> >>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
> >>
> >> The one you ran from.
> >
> >Several times in fact.
> >I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.
>
>
> You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
> Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?

You refuse to say whet right Trump will take from YOU. Why do you run
from that?

In article <n6v1dj93ljvvehips6kn9iiia9q2u27uhm@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> >> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
> >>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
> >>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
> >>>
> >>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
> >>
> >> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.
> >
> >Indeed.
> >At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
> >damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>
>
> You guys are pwned by DJT, the botnet. Congrats.

Still running from those right Trump is going to take away from YOU?

On 2024-08-30, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <nav1djdnm7imcbljt93b6iqa7c0javrc82@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>> >On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
>> >> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>> >>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>> >>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>> >>>
>> >>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>> >>
>> >> The one you ran from.
>> >
>> >Several times in fact.
>> >I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.
>>
>>
>> You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
>> Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?
>
> You refuse to say whet right Trump will take from YOU. Why do you run
> from that?

Well, since Joel believes that his tranny boyfriend is a woman, maybe he believes that he can get
pregnant as well?

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:57:46 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>
>And we all know that inflation was due to six trillion dollars in printed money
>being injected into the economy between May 2020 and June 2021. Four trillion
>of that was Trump's doing so it's more accurate to say that Trump is responsible
>for the lion's share of the inflation that dogged Biden's first two years as
>President.

Certainly, that was a factor, yeah. I don't think either admin was
wrong to do what they did with that, but it is an example of how this
isn't just a matter of "vote for X, get Y", it's something the global
economy does over time, so it ended up seeming to be on Biden's watch.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Governor Swill wrote:
> 538 has

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> The one thing you can't explain is what caused

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:25:52 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 8/29/24 8:17 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>>> damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.
>>
>> Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.
>
>Unfortunately, there's already been quite a bit of damage to freedoms in
>the USA from Trump/GOP judges, especially at SCOTUS, which is going to
>take over a decade to enact meaningful reforms & rulings to undo the
>anti-constitutional rulings of the past few years.
>
>The Chevron Decision in particular is extremely dangerous & unbalancing.
>Plus its implications are tremendously expensive financially.
>
>But don't worry: there's "only" been eight (8) known deaths (so far)
>from just the deregulation of health standards at Boar's Head:
>
>I'll leave it up to the MAGAs for them to decide if they're going to now
>personally protect themselves by giving up eating all processed meats.
>
>...and just wait until P2025 abolishes police, fire, & weather services:
> better start to calculate how much more its going to cost an
>individual citizen to replace just these services with privately run (&
>for-profit) services.

I guarantee you it will cost more than the tax savings. Then there'll be the
lawsuits filed by the homeowners whose houses caught fire because a neighbor
didn't have a fire service contract.

It's all going according to Xi's plan.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZqBGfzvtHRY>

--
#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill wrote:
> take the full blame

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Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> Free hint

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 14:38:51 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Well, since Joel believes that his tranny boyfriend is a woman, maybe he believes that he can get
>pregnant as well?

We might even believe that someday you'll get good sense.

Newsom brutalizes Bret Bair
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On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:43:23 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 8/29/24 9:02 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>>> A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>>> voter".
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>>> html>
>>>>>
>>>>> ' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>>> inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>>> Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>>> in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>>> interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>>> 9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>>
>>>>> *Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>>> true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>>> 1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>>> after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>>> recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>>> month prior.*
>>>>>
>>>>> In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>>> was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>>> 2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>>> increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>>> Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>>> months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>>
>>>>> Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>>> in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>>> a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>>
>>>>> A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>>> factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>>> around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>>
>>>>> The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>>> Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>>> wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>>
>>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>>
>>> She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>> demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>> more intelligent than you are.
>>
>>
>> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
>> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
>> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>>
>
>This is a good example of attempted propaganda, as it used "truthful"
>data to substantiate the propaganda's claim, as it allows people to
>forget to test the underlying premise for its inherent validity.
>
>What's invalid here is the implicit assumption that the economy has zero
>inertia, such that a change in fiscal policy will cause a sudden and
>large change within hours/days/etc: it simply does not work that way.
>
>Case in point, household savings exists, which is a fiscal buffer
>between expenses vs income. That's fiscal "inertia" which creates a lag
>between changes in inputs and subsequent outputs.
>
>For example, if one has 6 months worth of savings, if one's paycheck
>were to suddenly stop, one's payments of bills isn't going to drop to
>literally zero within just the first month: even if you reduce your
>immediate spending, that savings gives you time to fix the income
>revenue side (eg, go look for a new job) and stabilize your cash flow.
>
>
>In the case of our recent inflation, much of it was due to an imbalance
>in fiscal stimulus vs supply (eg, "too much" stimulus money).

All that stimulus allowed the US economy to recover faster and more broadly than
any other economy on earth. The price we paid for that recovery was a brief
period of sharp inflation as the savings you elaborate on below got spent when
the economy opened back up.

>Fortunately, much of the pandemic stimulus checks to households wasn't
>spent, but saved:
>
>"Over the pandemic, historic levels of government transfers boosted
>household income while household spending was severely curtailed by
>social distancing. This led the personal saving rate to soar (Figure 1),
>and we estimate that U.S. households accumulated about $2.3 trillion in
>savings in 2020 and through the summer of 2021, above and beyond what
>they would have saved if income and spending components had grown at
>recent, pre-pandemic trends."
>
>
><https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/excess-savings-during-the-covid-19-pandemic-20221021.html>
>
>But much of this 'free money' has now been spent, which is why there
>was a lag between when the checks were sent and when the inflation it
>caused was recorded.
>
>YA example of a 2nd order fiscal effect that's not easy for the general
>public to understand, even though they participated in causing it.

I sure don't know of anybody who sent back their stimulus deposits.

Trump has found a new way to embarrass himself in Montana
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7_nVxRn4_tc>

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#NEVERtrump

Governor Swill wrote:
> I sure don't know of anybody

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> We might even believe

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

Governor Swill wrote:
> It's all going according to Xi's plan.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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From: J Carlson <j_carlson@gmx.com>
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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 12:22:10 -0500, "Scout"
<me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:

>
>
>"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:s002djdsc90a26v0rm2uk0q69q515t13c6@4ax.com...
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they
>>>can't see the forest for
>>>the trees.
>>>
>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>
>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>
>>
>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>> voter".
>
>IOW, Joel doesn't know, and doesn't want to talk about the failures of the
>Biden/Harris ticket.
>

IOW, Scout doesn't know, and doesn't want to talk about the failures of the
Trump/Vance ticket.

Vance caught lying yet again.
"“Kamala Harris is disgraceful. We’re going to talk about a story out of those
13 brave, innocent Americans who lost their lives? It’s that Kamala Harris is so
asleep at the wheel that she won’t even do an investigation into what happened,”
he asserted, though there have been extensive federal investigations into the
Abbey Gate bombing."
<https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/08/29/vance-trump-comments-attacks-harris/>

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