In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>
>
> Reference the thread you're talking about.

The one you ran from.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:35:19 -0700, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com>
wrote:

>pothead wrote:
>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>
><https://tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp>
>
>> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
>> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>
><https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2023-10-12/editorial-dont-believe-the-naysayers-we-can-electrify-the-economy-without-leaving-workers-behind>
>
>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
>> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>
><https://www.nature.org/en-us/about-us/where-we-work/united-states/midwest-demand-for-renewables/>
>
>> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>
><https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2024/04/14/2024-could-be-the-year-for-american-lithium/>
>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>
>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>> SPECIFICALLY how.

Several have done so in this very thread. But because you don't like their
answers, you pretend they didn't answer at all.

>Do say.

He says a lot of shit, doesn't he?

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compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

-hh wrote:

>>Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
>> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
>> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
>> force oil prices UP.
>
>What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
>'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
>so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.

So is depending upon our enemy to build solar panels and wind
generators for us.

We should be going nuclear.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:31:57 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>>> Sept 9 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>>
>>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>> Federal spending went up every
>>>>year under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Except all the regulations
>>>>Republicans want.
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>
>>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>>Trump-style
>>>>
>>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>
>>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>>
>>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>>
>>>> By playing nice with all the
>>>>dictators who start them.
>>>>
>>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
>>> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
>>> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
>>> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
>>> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
>>> economic environment.
>>>
>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>>
>>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>
>
> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
>unemployment, factories opening up
>everywhere, vacation spending up.
>Who will save from this catastrophe?
>
>
>
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>
>
> Show us the authority of a vice
>president to do anything.
>
>
>> She has done
>> nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
>> anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
>> support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden.

If that was true, you would have stumbled over your own feet to get the cite
posted here.

>>Do the research.

I am not minded to do your homework for you.

>https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
>harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/

The Dems are reaching to get their core constituency, blue collar workers, back.
We'll know in a few weeks if it worked.

>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
>> would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline?

Apparently they've been filled. With an unemployment rate of 4% and more
Americans working than ever before in our history, jobs are not a problem. So
why are you trying to make jobs a campaign issue in an economy with a shortage
of labor?

>>According
>> the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
>> figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
>> ie: lithium etc for batteries.

> Lithium mining by country:
>
>1 Australia
>2 Chile
>3 China
>4 Argentina
>5 Brazil
>6 Zimbabwe
>7 Portugal
>8 Canada
>
>https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
>lithium-producing-countries
>
>>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>
>
> Trump had his chance gto "make
>America great" before, we got a
>failed wall, massive job losses,
>massive deficits, and hundreds of
>associates arrested. Time for a
>change.

The manufacturing recession of 2019 was a harbinger of a deeper recession to
come in 2020. But the pandemic beat it to the punch.

No matter how you slice it, the Biden administration has presided over the
creation of no less than 9 million new jobs. Enough new jobs to push the
participation rate up.

I recall the rate made great hay about the participation rate in the wake of
Bush's Great Recession. Now that the rate is rising, they seem uninterested in
discussing it.

Don't blink
<https://www.gocomics.com/tim-campbell/2024/07/26>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On 8/28/24 11:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>
>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>> Sept 9 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>
>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>
>>> Federal spending went up every
>>> year under Trump.
>>>
>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>
>>> Except all the regulations
>>> Republicans want.
>>>
>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>
>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>
>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>
>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>> Trump-style
>>>
>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>
>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> By playing nice with all the
>>> dictators who start them.
>>>
>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>
>>
>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>> environment.
>>
>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>
>
> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>
> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline?

"DOE Report Shows Clean Energy Jobs Grew at More Than Twice the Rate of
Overall U.S. Employment"

<https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-report-shows-clean-energy-jobs-grew-more-twice-rate-overall-us-employment>

FYI, before you try to pooh-pooh the raw number of job growth, do make
sure to keep it in context to your choice of comparison: the Keystone
pipeline. Its jobs creation numbers were vastly lower:

"In the report, the agency wrote that 10,400 estimated positions would
be for seasonal construction work lasting four to eight-month periods.
Since the State Department defines "job" as "one position that is filled
for 1 year," that would equate to approximately 3,900 jobs over a
two-year period."

<https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/politifact/2021/01/22/keystone-pipeline-jobs-lost-joe-biden-executive-order-cancel-fact-check/6673822002/>

FWIW, I think I read someplace years ago that the number of permanent
full time jobs from Keystone was something like fourteen (14).

Likewise, from 2019, there's twice as many 'green' jobs vs fossil fuels:

"...U.S. Energy & Employment Report lists 2.39 million jobs in clean
energy generation and energy efficiency versus 1.23 million – half as
many – in fossil energy production."

<https://citizensclimatelobby.org/blog/policy/how-clean-energy-creates-more-jobs/>

> According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.

Got cite for who made this claim when?

In any event, it doesn't sound too far off to me, as per US News's
reported median value of $97,800 back in 2022:

<https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/computer-programmer/salary>

> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>
> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>
> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>
> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>

I'm better off in the post-Trump era.

So just how specific do you want my specifics to be? I can say "lower
stress", but do I need to post my blood pressure scores to prove that?
Likewise, for fewer financial worries, our monthly budget? Or for an
improved net worth, is a percentage increase good enough, or do you want
exact balances with receipts and bank account numbers?

> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
> SPECIFICALLY how.
>
> Maybe you can.

Done above, contingent on how unreasonable you try to set goalposts.
Naturally, you're insinuating that you're now worse off, so you'll need
to lead by example, with the level of specifics you're calling for
others to do, to avoid being a blatant hypocrite.

-hh

On 8/29/24 4:48 PM, chrisv wrote:
> -hh wrote:
>
>>> Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
>>> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
>>> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
>>> force oil prices UP.
>>
>> What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
>> 'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
>> so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.
>
> So is depending upon our enemy to build solar panels and wind
> generators for us.
>
> We should be going nuclear.
>

Yes, nuclear would be nice to see too, but its LCOE is very high, which
makes it economically non-competitive vs solar/wind/battery.

The latest numbers I've seen aren't accounting for more recent battery
cost declines, but it listed them as:

$155 for Nuclear
$41 Onshore Wind
$40 Solar Photovoltaic.

For general reference, Coal was $109.

Normalizing Nuclear as 1.00, that's

Coal: 0.70
Wind: 0.26
Solar: 0.26

TL;DR: you can have 4x more Wind/Solar capacity for the price of Nuclear.

This goes a long ways to paying for battery to bank power and level out
its lower supply availability...even before noting studies which have
concluded that it is (well, was - because of battery cost declines)
cheaper to overbuild and curtail generation than to have huge battery
power banking to bridge...IIRC, the report I read said "7x" effectively
eliminates the need for a huge battery - - think it was something like
reducing the battery capacity ~tenfold, from 96 hours to 10 hours.

-hh

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >
>> >2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >
>> >3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >
>> >4. Tax Cuts.
>> >
>> >5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >
>> >6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >
>> >7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>
>>
>> What possesses you to think that this nationalist bullshit will work
>> in a global economy, dummy? That's what you MAGA people don't get,
>> not all of the world is rural America, not even urban America is such.
>>
>>
>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>>
>>
>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
>
> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.

Indeed.
At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <m5g0djl9edob42mqricddm9d1ok5n68nr8@4ax.com>,
> governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >> On 8/28/2024 5:41 PM, pothead wrote:
>> >>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <nowa>>>> Haven't heard a lot about that dead person either. MAGA
>> >is far more worried
>> >>>>> about the election than about any innocent bystander.y@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> >>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>> >>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nobody is saying to abandon renewable energy but don't shutdown fossil fuel production until we
>> >>> have viable alternatives and truly accurate studies that determine the true impact of fossil fuels
>> >>> and man on the environment.
>> >>> Right now we have nothing of the sort.
>> >>>
>> >>> And how does it make sense for th US to close down fossil fuel operations just to buy oil etc from
>> >>> other countries?
>> >>> Really?
>> >>> That is not only embarrassing but it's dangerous and massively ignorant.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>> >>>
>> >>> Wrong.
>> >>> Printing money and spending it like crazy on idiotic programs like DEI for example causes inflation
>> >>> to rise.
>> >>
>> >> How much of the budget is spent on DEI?
>> >>
>> >>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>> >>>
>> >>> Nope.
>> >>> Excess regulations raises prices and thus the cost to the consumer. It also stunts innovation and
>> >>> product development.
>> >>> The democrats thrive on regulation, many of them overbearing and useless.
>> >>> Right now California is like one huge HOA run by a team of Karens.
>> >>> That's one reason why businesses and people as well are leaving the state.
>> >>
>> >> No details means it is bromide (and we can't evaluate its impact).
>> >>
>> >>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
>> >>>
>> >>> Tell it to Kamala then.
>> >>> It's part of her plan even though we have been hearing tax cuts for the middle class from the
>> >>> democrats for decades.
>> >>> More money in the people's pocket means more spending and purchasing.
>> >>
>> >> More demand pushes prices up.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
>> >>>
>> >>> Fair competition.
>> >>> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.
>> >>> Devalue your currency, like China, and flood the market and we have a problem.
>> >>> And just wait until cheap EV begin flooding the US. If Kamala is in office she will probably
>> >>> welcome each one with a big blue ribbon stuck to the hood. And of course China will also be very
>> >>> happy to sell us the raw materials to manufacture batteries, solar panels and so forth as well.
>> >>> It's a variation on the give them the razor cheap and gouge them on the blades.
>> >>> They are shrewd and Biden and his lackeys are idiots.
>> >>
>> >> Fair competition or not, it's inflationary.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Not relevant.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you kidding?
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?
>> >>> Where is this money coming from?
>> >>> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all socialist regimes, they
>> >>> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
>> >>
>> >> Tell us, how much does illegal immigration cost the country. Don't
>> >> forget to include the production from and taxes paid by unauthorized
>> >> workers.
>> >>
>> >>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>> >>>> proxy-war level.
>> >>>
>> >>> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire them back at us.
>> >>> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
>> >>> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and look what happened.
>> >>> They are now behind the proxy wars.
>> >>> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
>> >>>
>> >>> We need to end these wars.
>> >>> Settle them once and for all.
>> >>> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to depletion of our own
>> >>> weapons.
>> >>
>> >> How do we end the wars?
>> >
>> >We agree to disagree.
>> >Let's leave it at that.
>> >I've stated my points and you can agree or disagree.
>> >Either is fine.
>>
>> Translation: "I have no way of refuting your points."
>>
>>
> What points?

Exactly.
I've replied to these questions many times already.
Trump's plans are solid and make sense.
Kamala Harris has no plan She talks platitudes and happy, happy, joy, joy word salad.
The one plan she did sort of announce, price controls, got lambasted by both the left and right
because it is ridiculous and dangerous.

She knows absolutely nothing about how the economy works and she, by being the deciding vote on the
inflation reduction act, among others, is a direct cause of inflation itself.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>>
>>
>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>
> The one you ran from.

Several times in fact.
I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <XnsB1DD4B1A031E2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
> says...
>>
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
>> news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>> >>>
>> >>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>> >>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>> >>> Sept 9 2020
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>> >>>
>> >>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>> >>> North Carolina, Virginia
>> >>> Sept 25, 2020
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>> >>>
>> >>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>> >>>
>> >>> Federal spending went up every
>> >>>year under Trump.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Except all the regulations
>> >>>Republicans want.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>> >>>
>> >>> Deficit explodes.
>> >>>
>> >>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>> >>>
>> >>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>> >>>Trump-style
>> >>>
>> >>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>> >>>
>> >>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>> >>>
>> >>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>> >>>
>> >>> By playing nice with all the
>> >>>dictators who start them.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> >> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> >> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> >> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> >> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> >> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
>> >> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
>> >> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
>> >> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
>> >> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
>> >> economic environment.
>> >>
>> >> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> >> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> >> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> >> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>> >>
>> >
>> > 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>>
>>
>> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
>> unemployment, factories opening up
>> everywhere, vacation spending up.
>> Who will save from this catastrophe?
>>
>>
>>
>> > 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>>
>>
>> Show us the authority of a vice
>> president to do anything.
>>
>>
>> > She has done
>> > nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
>> > anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
>> > support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>> > candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>> >
>>
>> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
>> harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/
>>
>>
>> > So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
>> > would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According
>> > the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
>> > figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
>> > ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lithium mining by country:
>>
>> 1 Australia
>> 2 Chile
>> 3 China
>> 4 Argentina
>> 5 Brazil
>> 6 Zimbabwe
>> 7 Portugal
>> 8 Canada
>>
>> https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
>> lithium-producing-countries
>>
>> >
>> > You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> > You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>>
>> Trump had his chance gto "make
>> America great" before, we got a
>> failed wall, massive job losses,
>> massive deficits, and hundreds of
>> associates arrested. Time for a
>> change.
>>
>
> To what? High prices? More crime and wars? You have had over 3 years to
> make a "change">

The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they can't see the forest for
the trees.

None of this misery we are in started under Trump.

Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%

No wars.
No 12 million or more illegal migrants.
No lost, unaccounted for 300,000 migrant children.
Low crime.
No cities falling apart fiscally and quality of life wise like NYC or SF.
The list is endless.

Life under Trump, COVID aside, was good.
Life under Biden/Harris is absolutely miserable.

And all of a sudden Harris claims she is going to fix the mess that she caused.
The last person in the room hasn't got a clue and the voters will not be fooled.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
>>> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>>>
>>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
>>
>> Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.
>
>Indeed.
>At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.

You guys are pwned by DJT, the botnet. Congrats.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>On 2024-08-29, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <cqg1djh87ohq74r3mlfdngf9hhkveisp9a@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>>> >rights you ran away. Why is that?
>>>
>>> Reference the thread you're talking about.
>>
>> The one you ran from.
>
>Several times in fact.
>I stopped asking because he is clearly mentally ill.

You know, guys, that my sig has a reference to the abortion decision.
Is that not a "right taken away", pray tell?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they can't see the forest for
>the trees.
>
>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>
>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%

If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
voter".

>No wars.
>No 12 million or more illegal migrants.
>No lost, unaccounted for 300,000 migrant children.
>Low crime.
>No cities falling apart fiscally and quality of life wise like NYC or SF.
>The list is endless.
>
>Life under Trump, COVID aside, was good.
>Life under Biden/Harris is absolutely miserable.
>
>And all of a sudden Harris claims she is going to fix the mess that she caused.
>The last person in the room hasn't got a clue and the voters will not be fooled.

Botnet.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>The libbys pretend they have an answer for everything but as usual they can't see the forest for
>>the trees.
>>
>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>
>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>
>
> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
> voter".

Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.

Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.

<https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
html>

' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.

Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”

Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”

*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
month prior.*

In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.

Similar to a previous false claim

Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.

A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”

The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
wholesale inflation rate in a year. '

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>
>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>
>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>> voter".
>
>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>
>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>
><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>html>
>
>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>
>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>
>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>
>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>month prior.*
>
>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>
>Similar to a previous false claim
>
>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>
>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>
>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '

Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
recovering from the pandemic.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:23:33 +0200, Tampon Machine Sales <none@dont-email.me>
wrote:

>Joel is still thinking with someone else's brain in his butt.

If your brain is in his butt, you're thinking with the wrong head.

Chef Bait-er-dee
<https://www.gocomics.com/mattwuerker/2024/08/22>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 22:29:52 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>At this point I'm not sure if the country can even be fixed. Biden/Harris have caused so much
>damage to every facet of life we may be doomed to exist like this for a long time.

Better than the world we'll have to live in if Trump is elected.

Wrong ammo
<https://www.gocomics.com/mattwuerker/2024/08/20>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>
>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>> voter".
>>
>>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>
>>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>
>><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>html>
>>
>>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>
>>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>
>>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>
>>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>month prior.*
>>
>>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>
>>Similar to a previous false claim
>>
>>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>
>>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>
>>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>
>
> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
> recovering from the pandemic.
>
She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
more intelligent than you are.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:56:42 -0400, -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>On 8/29/24 1:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <vaodpk$3lnmn$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>>>
>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>
>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>>
>> Hasn't hurt anything yet.
>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>
>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>>
>> Giving fence jumpers more than a vet gets.
>
>
>Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?
>
>
>> Giving tons of money to other
>> countries that launder it and never pay it back.
>
>Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?
>
>Make sure to include the part on how it was a loan and not a gift.
>
>Similarly, contemplate the pros/cons of foreign aid which is intended to
>allow those foreigners to stay in their home country, instead of seeking
>to emigrate to the USA. Likewise, look at the business angle from such
>economic development to cultivate markets for US manufacturers to have
>an export market to sell goods to too.

MAGAnoids aren't going to understand something that complex or nuanced.

Foreign aid is also a facet of national security. Taking actions contrary to US
interests is a good way to have your aid cut. The Egyptians discovered this
after they threw out Mubarak. The winning Muslim brotherhood made it very clear
they weren't going to abide by the Camp David accords and also started
persecuting Coptic Christians.

The US abruptly stopped aid payments (a billion a year to the military, the
lion's share of their budget at that time) so the military promptly threw out
the brotherhood and selected a US/Israel friendly guy to run the country in
order to get the cash flowing again.

Wine tasting
<https://www.gocomics.com/jeffstahler/2024/08/07>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 21:34:04 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>On 29/08/2024 21:29, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:26:20 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>>
>> Vice Presidents don't set policy. They don't pass legislation. They don't run
>> the country. They are typically window dressing first in line at the box
>> office.
>>
>> Terms of the debate
>> <https://www.gocomics.com/johndeering/2024/08/28>
>
>Who wields the REAL power in the USA?
>
>Mr Biden appears to have been somewhat disabled for quite some time.
>Who has told him what to do and say?

A good leader need only appoint competent staff and advisors and reserve only
the big decisions for himself.

Biden has assembled a solid and competent team. Not that I'm happy with
everything they've done, but generally, it's been far better than Trump's four
years.

Mutual admiration society
<https://www.gocomics.com/jeffstahler/2024/08/14>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:52:44 +0000, Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
>news:fcg0dj1r2ijhbvtsb3u6r5toe7nhirlgja@4ax.com:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 22:35:44 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>>> Sept 9 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>>
>>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>>
>>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>> Federal spending went up every
>>>>year under Trump.
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Except all the regulations
>>>>Republicans want.
>>>>
>>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>>
>>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>
>>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>>Trump-style
>>>>
>>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>
>>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>>
>>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>>
>>>> By playing nice with all the
>>>>dictators who start them.
>>>>
>>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>>
>>>
>>>Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>>Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>>period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>>Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>>coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>>Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>>whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>>benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>>working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>>matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>>environment.
>>>
>>>And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>>"conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>>can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>>us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>
>> Today's Democrats have a fiscal policy that is far more conservative
>> than anything any Republican has implemented since Eisenhower.
>>
>> Democrats can cut deficits *without* setting off a recession.
>
>
> Indeed.
>
> Clinton reduced the deficit
>every year he was in office,
>something no other president in
>history has done from what I can
>tell.
>
> While Trump RAISED it every
>year he was in office.
>
> And Republicans dare to call
>themselve "fiscal conservatives"?
>
> It is to laugh.
>
>
>
>
> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>
>2016 - 0,584
>
>2017 - 0,665
>
>2018 - 0,779
>
>2019 - 0,983
>
>2020 - 3,132
>
>2021 - 2,776
>
Correction: 2022 - 1.38
>2023 - 1,376
2023 - 1.69

>https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

ibid.

Rerun
<https://www.gocomics.com/jeffstahler/2024/08/21>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On 8/29/24 16:23, Tampon Machine Sales wrote:
> In <ljajdlFa1b7U1@mid.individual.net> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 29/08/2024 00:35, Joel wrote:
>>> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>>
>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>>
>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> What possesses you to think that this nationalist bullshit will work
>>> in a global economy, dummy? That's what you MAGA people don't get,
>>> not all of the world is rural America, not even urban America is such.
>>>
>>>> So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
>>>> Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>>>
>>> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
>>
>> God Bless America! 😊
>
> Joel is still thinking with someone else's brain in his butt.
>
> The leftist silliness isn't working out for the rest of the world.
>
> Their economies are in shambles, China is eating their lunches, and Russia has them by the oil balls.
>
> There are more workers than there are jobs, so they actually have to share work at 2-3 days each per week. The country governments are subsidizing the workers by making up the difference - so they can eat and have a place to live.
>
> That is what the leftist dumbshits in Seattle and Northern California are trying to do here.
>
> The concept has already failed everywhere else it's been tried, so dumbassed Democrats think they are going to do it better in the USA.
>
> Shows you how stupid they are.

Oh OK, and right-wing policy is going to resolve that? What a crock of
shit. You can trickle down on someone stupid enough to vote for
oligarchy, I'm voting Blue. Your views have never given us long term
stability. It's discredited. The Democrats are more "conservative", if
you go by their record.

--
Joel W. Crump

Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>
>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>> voter".
>>>
>>>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>
>>>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>
>>><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>html>
>>>
>>>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>
>>>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>
>>>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>
>>>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>month prior.*
>>>
>>>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>
>>>Similar to a previous false claim
>>>
>>>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>
>>>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>
>>>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>
>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>
>She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>more intelligent than you are.

What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-08-30, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>None of this misery we are in started under Trump.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Example: Inflation the day Biden was inaugurated was 1.9% (CPI).
>>>>>>A year later under Biden / Harris it was 9.1%
>>>>>
>>>>> If you can't see through why that's BS, you are a "low information
>>>>> voter".
>>>>
>>>>Except for snit, you are the lowest information voter around these parts.
>>>>
>>>>Right from one of the left's most trusted news sources.
>>>>
>>>><https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/politics/fact-check-biden-inflation-when-he-became-president/index.
>>>>html>
>>>>
>>>>' For the second time in less than a week, President Joe Biden falsely claimed Tuesday that the
>>>>inflation rate was 9% when he began his presidency.
>>>>
>>>>Biden was criticized by many Republicans, including former president and current presidential rival
>>>>Donald Trump, for telling CNN in an interview last Wednesday: “No president’s had the run we’ve had
>>>>in terms of creating jobs and bringing down inflation. It was 9% percent when I came to office, 9%.”
>>>>
>>>>Biden repeated the claim about the inflation rate, albeit in slightly vaguer form, in a Tuesday
>>>>interview with Yahoo Finance. This time, he said: “I think inflation has gone slightly up. It was at
>>>>9% when I came in, and it’s now down around 3%.”
>>>>
>>>>*Facts First: Biden’s claim that the inflation rate was 9% when he became president is not close to
>>>>true. The year-over-year inflation rate in January 2021, the month of his inauguration, was about
>>>>1.4%. The Biden-era inflation rate did peak at about 9.1% – but that peak occurred in June 2022,
>>>>after Biden had been president for more than 16 months. The March 2024 inflation rate, the most
>>>>recent available rate at the time Biden made these comments, was about 3.5%, up from about 3.2% the
>>>>month prior.*
>>>>
>>>>In other words, Biden’s claims make it sound like inflation is much lower today than it was when he
>>>>was inaugurated – but it is actually higher, though there has been a steep decline since the June
>>>>2022 peak. (That peak followed Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine, which sparked global
>>>>increases in energy and food prices.) And while Biden’s claims make it sound like the end of the
>>>>Trump presidency was plagued by high inflation, inflation was unusually low during Trump’s last
>>>>months in the White House amid the economic slowdown caused by the Covid-19 pandemic.
>>>>
>>>>Similar to a previous false claim
>>>>
>>>>Biden’s false claims in the past week about overall inflation are similar to a false claim he made
>>>>in October 2022 when talking about gas prices in particular. In both cases, he has wrongly depicted
>>>>a figure from June 2022 as if it was the Biden-era starting point.
>>>>
>>>>A White House official said in a Tuesday email to CNN: “The President was making the point that the
>>>>factors that caused inflation were in place when he took office. The pandemic caused inflation
>>>>around the world by disrupting our economy and breaking our supply chains.”
>>>>
>>>>The April 2024 inflation rate will be revealed Wednesday with the release of new Consumer Price
>>>>Index data. Separate Producer Price Index data that was released on Tuesday showed the highest
>>>>wholesale inflation rate in a year. '
>>>
>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>
>>She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>more intelligent than you are.
>
>
> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>
Your dancing is lame. The link was from CNN but you can find the same data all over the net.
I didn't see FoxNews mentioned.
Here is one. The numbers are close to what she posted.
https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
Admit it, you were humiliated by a female.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:

>>>> Free hint, ma'am, as they always say, correlation doesn't prove
>>>> causation. Your quoting of the CNN article explains this, in fact,
>>>> that these economic factors aren't directly under the control of the
>>>> government or its leaders. If Trump had won in 2020, the inflation
>>>> would've happened under his watch. He lost, so it happened under
>>>> Biden's watch. Get over it, it's the world we're in. We're not gonna
>>>> vote for the antichrist because of some right-wing media scheme, to
>>>> tell us it will magically make everything "great". It's a lie. Voting
>>>> for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz will keep us on track to continue
>>>> recovering from the pandemic.
>>>>
>>>She really stuck it to you Joel. Two for the price of one. She proved her statement and also
>>>demonstrated what a liar Joe Biden is. I do disagree with one statement though. Snit is quite a bit
>>>more intelligent than you are.
>>
>> What a joke, you think she "proved" something? Only that she's
>> willing to use information to jump to conclusions, and you're
>> apparently the same. Fox News Channel-watching dummies.
>>
>Your dancing is lame. The link was from CNN but you can find the same data all over the net.
>I didn't see FoxNews mentioned.

I mentioned it because that's what you both sound like, people who are
fed garbage all day, and regurgitate some of it on Usenet.

>Here is one. The numbers are close to what she posted.
>https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/historical-inflation-rates/
>Admit it, you were humiliated by a female.

I don't care that she's female, I care that she's ASSuming that
Biden's policies caused the inflation, which is of course not the
truth, but if she wants to be a dumbass and vote for DJT, it's not my
problem, ultimately. People will vote the way they believe they'll
benefit, rightly or wrongly.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.