On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:18:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural). I believe there's reality
> and there is delusion. I'm not saying I always know what is real in
> every situation, but to me truth is objective, not subjective. My goal
> is to find the truth, not an alternate "reality."

Fish don't believe in water.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:43:02 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> Re: reality tunnels.
>
> Climate alarmists are dirty wh*res; they lie for sex, power & money.
> SciShow host Hank Green (in Missoula) isn't that bad.

Unteresting. Never heard of him. A prophet in his home country?

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 07:23:34 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> pothead wrote:
>
>>Kamala Harris has more flip flops than Walmart.
>
> She's a fscking liar, and will go right back to her far-left policies,
> if elected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4kTnP5VJ1k

At 2:40 Young starts a chorus of flip, flop over Bush's change in
direction. Young was strangely silent during Democratic administrations. I
saw this locally. There were anti-war demonstrations in a public park with
speakers including the mayor during the Bush years. Crickets since then
even with the billions being poured into the Ukraine and Israel. The Women
in Black would hang out on the main bridge on Friday nights.

https://womeninblack.org/vigils-arround-the-world/america/united-states-
of-america/california/

I guess they're still active in some areas but not here.

The left shows an amazing ability to make dramatic u-turns without
suffering whiplash. The CPUSA was comical when the new reality was
announced by the Soviets. It's the same today. Harris went from a
historical level of unpopularity even among Democrats to the most gifted
politician in the world overnight when the ghost of Joe Stalin, I mean
Biden, spoke.

You (rBowman) replied ( to me ):
> > SciShow host Hank Green (in Missoula) isn't that bad.
>
> Unteresting. Never heard of him. A prophet in his home country?

Many YouTubers rely on Hank Green's "Patreon" to survive;
kiss his ring or suffer the consequences.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:32:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I wish Trump had picked her for
> vice-president instead of Vance. Something doesn't look quite right in
> Vance's eyes to me.

He wouldn't be my first choice although on paper he looks good, a populist
sort of paleoconservative. He certainly stirred up the cat ladies. I asked
the cat but she didn't have an opinion. He is a counterweight to the east
coast urbanite Trump.

> I haven't voted for Trump and I won't be registering to vote at all in
> this election. I don't like voting for the lesser of two evils. I've
> never been a partisan hack mindlessly rooting for "my" team.

There are several local races that have more potential to affect me so
I'll probably check some boxes up the ballot. I don't have a team, never
have. Pat Buchanan came close but his attempts went nowhere.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:04:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>
> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>
> Hard pass.

The depth of your analysis is truly amazing.

> We do need a third, viable party.

That is rendered almost impossible by the system which you're not going to
change by the ballot box.

RonB: I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural).

Who can survive without lying to himself ?

Fundamentally, I'm a silly twit; every cult clings to a (fake) "apocalypse".
Climate alarmists are dirty wh*res; they lie for money, sex & power.

-- Affordable housing, not tariffs. Trump sucks Putin's dick.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:18:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural). I believe there's reality
>> and there is delusion. I'm not saying I always know what is real in
>> every situation, but to me truth is objective, not subjective. My goal
>> is to find the truth, not an alternate "reality."

I applaud that sentiment.

It is difficult to apply. :-(

> Fish don't believe in water.

Unless, of course, you hew to Herman Melville's opinion that whales are fish.
Being intelligent, they surely believe in water, especially if they be beached.

Weird. My first read of "Moby Dick" was engrossing. The second, not so much.

--
Be security conscious -- National defense is at stake.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 12:50:30 -0700 (Seattle), Relf wrote:

> RonB: I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural).
>
> Who can survive without lying to himself ?

"We have art in order not to die of the truth."
Friedrich Nietzsche

A reality tunnel is a very artistic creation.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:04:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>>
>> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>>
>> Hard pass.
>
> The depth of your analysis is truly amazing.

Huh? Trump is crazy, feeble, lies his ass off, wanted to terminate and abolish
the Constitution, terms soldiers to be suckers and losers, did little more in
his term than a regressive tax break, promises higher tariffs, more tax breaks
for the wealthy, and mass deportation, which will greatly harm our economy.
He rants like an ALL-CAPS street schizo on a regular basis. He doesn't care
about anything except keeping his ass out of prison.

Anybody who supports this k00k will not get my respect.

And Jill Stein? The physician? What qualifications does she have, compared
to Harris, in your estimation?

>> We do need a third, viable party.
>
> That is rendered almost impossible by the system which you're not going to
> change by the ballot box.

Agreed.

--
As to the Adjective: when in doubt, strike it out.
-- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:04:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, so she [Tulsi Gabbard] endorsed Trump.
>>>
>>> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>>>
>>> Hard pass.
>>
>> The depth of your analysis is truly amazing.
>
>Huh? Trump is crazy, feeble, lies his ass off, wanted to terminate and abolish
>the Constitution, terms soldiers to be suckers and losers, did little more in
>his term than a regressive tax break, promises higher tariffs, more tax breaks
>for the wealthy, and mass deportation, which will greatly harm our economy.
>He rants like an ALL-CAPS street schizo on a regular basis. He doesn't care
>about anything except keeping his ass out of prison.
>
>Anybody who supports this k00k will not get my respect.

It'd lead to civil war.

>And Jill Stein? The physician? What qualifications does she have, compared
>to Harris, in your estimation?
>
>>> We do need a third, viable party.
>>
>> That is rendered almost impossible by the system which you're not going to
>> change by the ballot box.
>
>Agreed.

Third party voting is valid, because of the war in the Middle East,
but I'm still gonna vote for Harris-Walz, because of the fact that DJT
is running again.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:14:30 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> And Jill Stein? The physician? What qualifications does she have,
> compared to Harris, in your estimation?

Coherence? Reportedly the 18 minute taped interview of Harris and Walz by
CNN will be edited before being shown to the public. A full transcript is
not available.

Do you consider physicians less capable than lawyers? One deals with the
real world, the other with social constructs.

Thought experiment: A lawyer successfully prosecuted many cases under the
Volstead Act. What did they do after the 18th Amendment was repealed? The
government said 'this is bad' and the lawyers enforced it. Then the
government said 'this is okay' and the lawyers moved on to enforce some
other arbitrary dictate. If nothing else the modern day Inquisition is
flexible.

One of the more hilarious acts in the world is listening to a lawyer
explaining why "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers" doesn't
mean killing all the lawyers. Of course another lawyer was willing to
debased what the meaning of 'is' is at length.

Relf wrote:

>Fundamentally, I'm a silly twit; every cult clings to a (fake) "apocalypse".
>Climate alarmists are dirty wh*res; they lie for money, sex & power.
>
>-- Affordable housing, not tariffs.

War with China is coming. Everything else pales in comparison. We've
got to stop giving them all of our money.

If you're afraid that things will be expensive due to tariffs, think
about how it will be when the supply from China and Taiwan is
*totally* shut off. You won't be able to buy a fscking toaster, much
less a phone or a car.

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:27:09 -0400, Joel wrote:

> It'd lead to civil war.

Bring it on. I need some amusement in my old age.

On 2024-08-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> Methinks you're mistaken. I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard in a heartbeat.
>
> Nah, she's on the Trump Crazy Train now.
>
>> You can save the race card on that one and I'd love to see the president
>> take the oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita. It's telling that she is
>> disgusted by what the Democratic party has become.
>
> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>
> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>
> Hard pass.

You wouldn't vote for Tulsi Gabbard? — a woman? You must be misogynist then.

Kamala Harris is a cackling moron.

That's all I need to know.

Hard pass.

>> Maybe she's bitter about being put on a watch list.
>> In an alternate universe I might even
>> vote for Warren but she only checked one of the vice president
>> requirements despite writing pow-wow recipes. Stein is another possibility
>> but I don't think the Greens made the ballot in this state.
>
> We do need a third, viable party.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:04:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>
>> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>>
>> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>>
>> Hard pass.
>
> The depth of your analysis is truly amazing.

Partisan hacks don't analyze. They're drones who regurgitate their party's
BS. A "hard pass" on thinking for themselves.

>> We do need a third, viable party.
>
> That is rendered almost impossible by the system which you're not going to
> change by the ballot box.
>

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 06:04:28 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>>>
>>> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>>>
>>> Hard pass.
>>
>> The depth of your analysis is truly amazing.
>
> Huh? Trump is crazy, feeble, lies his ass off, wanted to terminate and abolish
> the Constitution, terms soldiers to be suckers and losers, did little more in
> his term than a regressive tax break, promises higher tariffs, more tax breaks
> for the wealthy, and mass deportation, which will greatly harm our economy.
> He rants like an ALL-CAPS street schizo on a regular basis. He doesn't care
> about anything except keeping his ass out of prison.

Good grief. Are these kind of rants your Democrat programmers are installing
in your brain?

When did Trump want to "abolish the Constitution?" It's the Democrats who
want to ignore our Constitutional rights.

And I see you brought up the same old bullshit lie about Trump denigrating
soldiers. Funny you didn't go to Snopes to verify the "veracity of this
claim." As you can see it relied on one anonymous "source" for a second-hand
report, and was published in the lying Atlantic rag.

From Snopes...

In sum, the claim stemmed from a story by The Atlantic, which relied on
anonymous, second-hand reports of Trump's alleged words; there was no
independent footage or documented proof to substantiate the in-question
comments; and Trump vehemently denies that he once called service members
"losers" and "suckers." While it was certainly possible that he said
those things, Snopes was unable to independently verify the claim.

Bolton, who hates Trump, was present at the time Trump supposedly said this.
Even he denies that Trump said it.

You've got to start thinking for yourself and quit regurgitating the
bullshit you swallow hook, line an sinker from the Democrat Party and the
minions in the Main Stream Media. You've got a brain (I hope) use the damn
thing.

> Anybody who supports this k00k will not get my respect.
>
> And Jill Stein? The physician? What qualifications does she have, compared
> to Harris, in your estimation?
>
>>> We do need a third, viable party.
>>
>> That is rendered almost impossible by the system which you're not going to
>> change by the ballot box.
>
> Agreed.
>

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-30, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 16:27:09 -0400, Joel wrote:
>
>> It'd lead to civil war.
>
> Bring it on. I need some amusement in my old age.

Prepare for it.
Do not depend upon the government to protect you.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On 2024-08-29, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>
>>Kamala Harris has more flip flops than Walmart.
>
> She's a fscking liar, and will go right back to her far-left policies,
> if elected.

How do you know when a Woke Moron Democrat is lying? When they move their
lips.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:18:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural). I believe there's reality
>> and there is delusion. I'm not saying I always know what is real in
>> every situation, but to me truth is objective, not subjective. My goal
>> is to find the truth, not an alternate "reality."
>
> Fish don't believe in water.

You must have some inside knowledge that I'm not privy to.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:32:26 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> I wish Trump had picked her for
>> vice-president instead of Vance. Something doesn't look quite right in
>> Vance's eyes to me.
>
> He wouldn't be my first choice although on paper he looks good, a populist
> sort of paleoconservative. He certainly stirred up the cat ladies. I asked
> the cat but she didn't have an opinion. He is a counterweight to the east
> coast urbanite Trump.
>
>> I haven't voted for Trump and I won't be registering to vote at all in
>> this election. I don't like voting for the lesser of two evils. I've
>> never been a partisan hack mindlessly rooting for "my" team.
>
> There are several local races that have more potential to affect me so
> I'll probably check some boxes up the ballot. I don't have a team, never
> have. Pat Buchanan came close but his attempts went nowhere.

Pat Buchanan was too trusting of people and their motives. He believed liars
when they lied and always gave them the benefit of the doubt. He wasn't made
for politics.

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

On 2024-08-30, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> Methinks you're mistaken. I would vote for Tulsi Gabbard in a heartbeat.
>>
>> Nah, she's on the Trump Crazy Train now.
>>
>>> You can save the race card on that one and I'd love to see the president
>>> take the oath of office on the Bhagavad Gita. It's telling that she is
>>> disgusted by what the Democratic party has become.
>>
>> Yeah, so she endorsed Trump.
>>
>> That tells me all I need to know about her.
>>
>> Hard pass.
>
> You wouldn't vote for Tulsi Gabbard? — a woman? You must be misogynist then.
>
> Kamala Harris is a cackling moron.
>
> That's all I need to know.
>
> Hard pass.
>
>>> Maybe she's bitter about being put on a watch list.
>>> In an alternate universe I might even
>>> vote for Warren but she only checked one of the vice president
>>> requirements despite writing pow-wow recipes. Stein is another possibility
>>> but I don't think the Greens made the ballot in this state.
>>
>> We do need a third, viable party.

I too would vote for Tulsi.
The fact that the democrats are attacking her is all the proof I need.
I would like to see an independent or more moderate party that can actually win.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

On 2024-08-29, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:18:35 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe in "reality tunnels" (plural). I believe there's reality
>>> and there is delusion. I'm not saying I always know what is real in
>>> every situation, but to me truth is objective, not subjective. My goal
>>> is to find the truth, not an alternate "reality."
>
> I applaud that sentiment.
>
> It is difficult to apply. :-(

Not difficult at all. Operate under the assumption that truth is objective
(not subjective) and try to find and verify it (and, if you do, live by it
if you can). If there is no such thing as objective truth, there is no such
thing as reality. This is a road leading to anarchy and insanity. That's the
path most of the "West" is now on.

>> Fish don't believe in water.
>
> Unless, of course, you hew to Herman Melville's opinion that whales are fish.
> Being intelligent, they surely believe in water, especially if they be beached.
>
> Weird. My first read of "Moby Dick" was engrossing. The second, not so much.
>

--
“Evil is not able to create anything new, it can only distort and destroy
what has been invented or made by the forces of good.” —J.R.R. Tolkien

You (rBowman) replied ( to Crump ):
> > [ Trump winning would ] lead to civil war.
>
> Bring it on. I need some amusement in my old age.

The revolution will be monetized, not televised.
It'll kickoff with the "Crump V. Trump" RumpBump (on TikTok).

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>You (rBowman) replied ( to Crump ):
>> > [ Trump winning would ] lead to civil war.
>>
>> Bring it on. I need some amusement in my old age.
>
>The revolution will be monetized, not televised.
>It'll kickoff with the "Crump V. Trump" RumpBump (on TikTok).

I don't have a personal problem with DJT. I'm working to defeat him
in an election vs. KDH, not anything about myself. I don't have to
prove myself better than him, he'll admit it himself, when the time
comes.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.