pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>
>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>> Sept 9 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>
>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>
>>> Federal spending went up every
>>>year under Trump.
>>>
>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>
>>> Except all the regulations
>>>Republicans want.
>>>
>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>
>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>
>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>
>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>Trump-style
>>>
>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>
>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> By playing nice with all the
>>>dictators who start them.
>>>
>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>
>>
>> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
>> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
>> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
>> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
>> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
>> economic environment.
>>
>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>
>
> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.

Indeed. Booming stock market, low
unemployment, factories opening up
everywhere, vacation spending up.
Who will save from this catastrophe?

> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.

Show us the authority of a vice
president to do anything.

> She has done
> nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
> anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
> support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/

> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
> would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According
> the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
> figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
> ie: lithium etc for batteries.

Lithium mining by country:

1 Australia
2 Chile
3 China
4 Argentina
5 Brazil
6 Zimbabwe
7 Portugal
8 Canada

https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
lithium-producing-countries

>
> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.

Trump had his chance gto "make
America great" before, we got a
failed wall, massive job losses,
massive deficits, and hundreds of
associates arrested. Time for a
change.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:vaou6n$3rf06$1@dont-email.me:

> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>
>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about
>>> this. Are you HONESTLY, and this means YOU, better under Biden than
>>> you were under Trump.
>>>
>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and
>> block the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and
>> the entire country much, much better off.
>
> Oh Jesus, come on already.
> All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of
> corruption.

From the Trump adiminstration itself:

Trump's own officials say 2020 was America's
most secure election in history
Nov 13, 2020

The 2020 US election was the most secure
in American history, according to US
elections officials.

"The November 3rd election was the most
secure in American history. Right now,
across the country, election officials
are reviewing and double-checking the
entire election process prior to
finalizing the result," the coordinating
bodies on election infrastructure and
security said in a joint statement issued
by the Department of Homeland Security�s
Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security
Agency (CISA).

In the statement, election officials
noted that though some states may do
recounts, "All of the states with close
results in the 2020 presidential race
have paper records of each vote,
allowing the ability to go back and
count each ballot if necessary." This
beefs up the security of the vote and
allows officials to correct and identify
mistakes in the counting process.

But the statement made one thing very
clear: "There is no evidence that any
voting system deleted or lost votes,
changed votes, or was in any way
compromised."

Or as Chris Krebs, the head of CISA,
put it: "TLDR: America, we have
confidence in the security of your
vote, you should, too."
https://tinyurl.com/ymata9yt

----------------------------

PS: Krebs is a Trump appointee.

https://www.cisa.gov/christopher-c-krebs

On Aug 28, 2024 at 9:48:05 PM MST, "Joel" wrote
<arsvcjp5dp0dfnla3ful5ds0jfvtnju9gh@4ax.com>:

> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>> Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>> environment.
>>>
>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>
>> 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>> 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>> 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that
>> level. Just because the
>> leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and
>> file support the same
>> candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>>
>> So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would
>> appear after he
>> cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well,
>> we should have
>> programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>> Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>
>> You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>> You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>
>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are
>> you HONESTLY, and
>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>
>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say
>> YES and then tell me
>> SPECIFICALLY how.
>>
>> Maybe you can.
>>
>> Ball is in your court Joel.
>
>
> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.

+1000

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 8/28/2024 9:42 PM, pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>
>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>> country much, much better off.
>
> Oh Jesus, come on already.
> All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.

The fever dream will never end for you.

> Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
> prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.
> And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.
>
> So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?
>
> Food prices?
> Interest rates?
> World wars?
> Etc.

All of that is secondary to keeping our democracy.

On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> On 8/28/2024 9:42 PM, pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>>
>>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>
>>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>>> country much, much better off.
>>
>> Oh Jesus, come on already.
>> All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.
>
> The fever dream will never end for you.
>
>> Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
>> prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.
>> And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.
>>
>> So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?
>>
>> Food prices?https://www.walmart.com/search?q=flip+flops
>> Interest rates?
>> World wars?
>> Etc.
>
> All of that is secondary to keeping our democracy.

That's a hoot coming from a libby who just had their candidate, the one the people voted for,
boot out, replaced and another person installed.
That's called a coup.
And yes, you did lose your democracy.

--
pothead
Kamala Harris Is A Marxist
Tampon Tim Walz Is A Radical Left Wing Nutjob
They Are A Match Made In Heaven

pothead wrote:
> That's a hoot coming from a libby who just had their candidate, the one the people voted for,
> boot out, replaced and another person installed.
> That's called a coup.
> And yes, you did lose your democracy.

I was expecting Jill Stein to be nominated and she was.

--
Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. @
'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\
The Church of the Holey Apple .signature 3.2 / \
of Discordian Mysteries. This post insults Islam. Mohamed

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>>>Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>>And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>
>>>The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>>>SPECIFICALLY how.
>>>
>>>Maybe you can.
>>>
>>>Ball is in your court Joel.
>>
>> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
>> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
>> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
>> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
>> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
>> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
>> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.
>
>So you can give no specifics.
>Ok I get it.
>You are just another low information TDS infected voter.

Nope, I was specific, you are the low information voter, you are an
ideologue who's convinced you're right.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

[Default] Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@www.yahoo.com> typed:

>pothead wrote:
>> That's a hoot coming from a libby who just had their candidate, the one the people voted for,
>> boot out, replaced and another person installed.
>> That's called a coup.
>> And yes, you did lose your democracy.
>
>I was expecting Jill Stein to be nominated and she was.

Maybe she'll get 1.8% of the popular vote this time!

"Laugh laugh laugh laugh."
-Lee Harrison 1957-2012, RIP

In article <7bhvcj56pps59agpfkt0mnib5fmhkek9pp@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Charlie Glock <"Charlie Glock"@localhost.com> wrote:
> >On 2024-08-28, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >>>
> >>>2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >>>
> >>>3. Regulation Cuts.
> >>>
> >>>4. Tax Cuts.
> >>>
> >>>5. Rebalance Trade.
> >>>
> >>>6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >>>
> >>>7. End Destabilzing Wars.
> >>
> >> What possesses you to think that this nationalist bullshit will work
> >> in a global economy, dummy? That's what you MAGA people don't get,
> >> not all of the world is rural America, not even urban America is such.
> >
> >Because similar policies worked during Trump's first term.
>
>
> Did they? For whom?
>
>
> >You do realize that energy independence affects the globe.
> >Or maybe you don't.
> >Housing prices just hit an all time high and are completely unaffordable for most.
> >Read here to see how Biden & Harris helped cause this.
> >
> ><https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/08/28/nolte-record-high-harris-biden-create-most-
> >unaffordable-housing-market-history/>
>
>
> Uninterested in Breitbart's spew.
>
>
> >>>So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
> >>>Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
> >>
> >> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.
> >
> >Keep the ship afloat?
> >After she and Biden torpedoed it?
> >She's had 3.5 years to fix it. So what has she done?
> >Same for the border BTW.
> >You must be an idiot to support Kamala.
>
>
> There's no crisis that we can't handle. DJT is just trying to say
> otherwise, because it fits his presentation. He has to have some big
> reason why we would need the change back, to him.

You still haven't said what rights Trump is going to take from you. Why
are you running from that? You made the claim.

In article <mgcvcjhnl5dtnr0osk4ia9vqjc3l1mn4ij@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >
> >2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >
> >3. Regulation Cuts.
> >
> >4. Tax Cuts.
> >
> >5. Rebalance Trade.
> >
> >6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >
> >7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>
>
> What possesses you to think that this nationalist bullshit will work
> in a global economy, dummy? That's what you MAGA people don't get,
> not all of the world is rural America, not even urban America is such.
>
>
> >So where is Kamala Harris's plan?
> >Her website seems to be nothing but multiple donate here buttons.
>
>
> Her plan is to keep the ship afloat, something DJT will surely not do.

Nice spin. The ship has already sunk.

In article <vaodpk$3lnmn$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>
> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
> > 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>
> Could help, but at a long-term cost.

Hasn't hurt anything yet.
>
> > 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>
> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide

Giving fence jumpers more than a vet gets. Giving tons of money to other
countries that launder it and never pay it back.
>
> > 3. Regulation Cuts.
>
> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>
> > 4. Tax Cuts.
>
> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
>
> > 5. Rebalance Trade.
>
> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
>
> > 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>
> Not relevant.
>
> > 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>
> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
> proxy-war level.

In article <m5g0djl9edob42mqricddm9d1ok5n68nr8@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 01:19:17 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
> >On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> On 8/28/2024 5:41 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <nowa>>>> Haven't heard a lot about that dead person either. MAGA
> >is far more worried
> >>>>> about the election than about any innocent bystander.y@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
> >>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >>>>
> >>>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
> >>>
> >>> Nobody is saying to abandon renewable energy but don't shutdown fossil fuel production until we
> >>> have viable alternatives and truly accurate studies that determine the true impact of fossil fuels
> >>> and man on the environment.
> >>> Right now we have nothing of the sort.
> >>>
> >>> And how does it make sense for th US to close down fossil fuel operations just to buy oil etc from
> >>> other countries?
> >>> Really?
> >>> That is not only embarrassing but it's dangerous and massively ignorant.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >>>>
> >>>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
> >>>
> >>> Wrong.
> >>> Printing money and spending it like crazy on idiotic programs like DEI for example causes inflation
> >>> to rise.
> >>
> >> How much of the budget is spent on DEI?
> >>
> >>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
> >>>>
> >>>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
> >>>
> >>> Nope.
> >>> Excess regulations raises prices and thus the cost to the consumer. It also stunts innovation and
> >>> product development.
> >>> The democrats thrive on regulation, many of them overbearing and useless.
> >>> Right now California is like one huge HOA run by a team of Karens.
> >>> That's one reason why businesses and people as well are leaving the state.
> >>
> >> No details means it is bromide (and we can't evaluate its impact).
> >>
> >>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
> >>>>
> >>>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).
> >>>
> >>> Tell it to Kamala then.
> >>> It's part of her plan even though we have been hearing tax cuts for the middle class from the
> >>> democrats for decades.
> >>> More money in the people's pocket means more spending and purchasing.
> >>
> >> More demand pushes prices up.
> >>
> >>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.
> >>>
> >>> Fair competition.
> >>> Compete on an even keel and we can all do well.
> >>> Devalue your currency, like China, and flood the market and we have a problem.
> >>> And just wait until cheap EV begin flooding the US. If Kamala is in office she will probably
> >>> welcome each one with a big blue ribbon stuck to the hood. And of course China will also be very
> >>> happy to sell us the raw materials to manufacture batteries, solar panels and so forth as well.
> >>> It's a variation on the give them the razor cheap and gouge them on the blades.
> >>> They are shrewd and Biden and his lackeys are idiots.
> >>
> >> Fair competition or not, it's inflationary.
> >>
> >>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >>>>
> >>>> Not relevant.
> >>>
> >>> Are you kidding?
> >>>
> >>> Do you have any idea how much illegal immigration is costing the country?
> >>> Where is this money coming from?
> >>> They can only tax the legal citizens so much and at some point, like all socialist regimes, they
> >>> will run out of people who can pay the bills.
> >>
> >> Tell us, how much does illegal immigration cost the country. Don't
> >> forget to include the production from and taxes paid by unauthorized
> >> workers.
> >>
> >>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
> >>>>
> >>>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
> >>>> proxy-war level.
> >>>
> >>> We need to stop financing our enemies just so they can buy armaments and fire them back at us.
> >>> Under Trump Iran was pretty much bankrupt and in a box.
> >>> Biden comes along, unfreezes assests, relaxes their ability to sell oil and look what happened.
> >>> They are now behind the proxy wars.
> >>> Yet another moronic decision by the Biden administration.
> >>>
> >>> We need to end these wars.
> >>> Settle them once and for all.
> >>> The cost is draining our economy and is putting us in grave danger due to depletion of our own
> >>> weapons.
> >>
> >> How do we end the wars?
> >
> >We agree to disagree.
> >Let's leave it at that.
> >I've stated my points and you can agree or disagree.
> >Either is fine.
>
> Translation: "I have no way of refuting your points."
>
>
What points?

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote in
news:fcg0dj1r2ijhbvtsb3u6r5toe7nhirlgja@4ax.com:

> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 22:35:44 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
>>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>>
>>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
>>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
>>> Sept 9 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
>>>
>>> Trump extends drilling ban off
>>> North Carolina, Virginia
>>> Sept 25, 2020
>>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
>>>
>>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>>
>>> Federal spending went up every
>>>year under Trump.
>>>
>>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>>>
>>> Except all the regulations
>>>Republicans want.
>>>
>>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>>
>>> Deficit explodes.
>>>
>>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>>
>>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
>>>Trump-style
>>>
>>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>>
>>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
>>>
>>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>>>
>>> By playing nice with all the
>>>dictators who start them.
>>>
>>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
>>
>>
>>Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>environment.
>>
>>And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>"conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>
> Today's Democrats have a fiscal policy that is far more conservative
> than anything any Republican has implemented since Eisenhower.
>
> Democrats can cut deficits *without* setting off a recession.

Indeed.

Clinton reduced the deficit
every year he was in office,
something no other president in
history has done from what I can
tell.

While Trump RAISED it every
year he was in office.

And Republicans dare to call
themselve "fiscal conservatives"?

It is to laugh.

Federal deficit, in trillions:

2016 - 0,584

2017 - 0,665

2018 - 0,779

2019 - 0,983

2020 - 3,132

2021 - 2,776

2023 - 1,376

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

In article <vaoth3$3rcnu$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>
> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >
> > Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
> > this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
> >
> > And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>
> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
> country much, much better off.

TRUMP

That's all you have.

In article <66cffe75$0$1895496$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>,
brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com says...
>
> On Aug 28, 2024 at 9:30:26 PM MST, "Josh Rosenbluth" wrote
> <vaoth3$3rcnu$1@dont-email.me>:
>
> > On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
> >>
> >> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are
> >> you HONESTLY, and
> >> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
> >>
> >> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
> >
> > We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
> > the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
> > country much, much better off.
>
> Absolutely. And we no longer have a president who has been legally held
> accountable for sexual assault. Nor one with many felony convictions.
>
> How is this even a question? LOL!

But TRUMP

In article <arsvcjp5dp0dfnla3ful5ds0jfvtnju9gh@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
> >> Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
> >> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
> >> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
> >> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
> >> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
> >> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
> >> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
> >> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
> >> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
> >> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
> >> environment.
> >>
> >> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
> >> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
> >> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
> >> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
> >
> >1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
> >2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
> >3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
> >leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
> >candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
> >
> >So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
> >cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
> >programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
> >Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
> >
> >You libbys are so darn ignorant.
> >You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
> >
> >Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
> >this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
> >
> >And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
> >
> >The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
> >SPECIFICALLY how.
> >
> >Maybe you can.
> >
> >Ball is in your court Joel.
>
>
> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.

You said he was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
rights you ran away. Why is that?

In article <XnsB1DD4B1A031E2629555@185.151.15.190>, noemail@aol.com
says...
>
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
> news:vaopor$3qtg1$1@dont-email.me:
>
> > On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
> >>>John Smyth <smythlejon2@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>>news:uubvcjlhbf35ci78pejilbqj75g5nskrp2@4ax.com:
> >>>
> >>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
> >>>
> >>> Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
> >>> Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
> >>> Sept 9 2020
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj
> >>>
> >>> Trump extends drilling ban off
> >>> North Carolina, Virginia
> >>> Sept 25, 2020
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6
> >>>
> >>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
> >>>
> >>> Federal spending went up every
> >>>year under Trump.
> >>>
> >>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
> >>>
> >>> Except all the regulations
> >>>Republicans want.
> >>>
> >>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
> >>>
> >>> Deficit explodes.
> >>>
> >>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
> >>>
> >>> By shipping more jobs overseas,
> >>>Trump-style
> >>>
> >>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
> >>>
> >>> Why did't Trump do that the first time?
> >>>
> >>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
> >>>
> >>> By playing nice with all the
> >>>dictators who start them.
> >>>
> >>> "Putin denied it, I trust him"
> >>
> >>
> >> Yup, Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
> >> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
> >> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
> >> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
> >> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
> >> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble,
> >> or whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who
> >> directly benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a
> >> lot, the working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies
> >> that it matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global
> >> economic environment.
> >>
> >> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
> >> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
> >> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
> >> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
> >>
> >
> > 1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>
>
> Indeed. Booming stock market, low
> unemployment, factories opening up
> everywhere, vacation spending up.
> Who will save from this catastrophe?
>
>
>
> > 2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it.
>
>
> Show us the authority of a vice
> president to do anything.
>
>
> > She has done
> > nothing. 3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping
> > anyone at that level. Just because the leaders of a particular union
> > support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
> > candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
> >
>
> https://www.reuters.com/world/us/united-auto-workers-union-endorses-
> harris-bid-president-2024-07-31/
>
>
> > So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised
> > would appear after he cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According
> > the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have programmers making 6
> > figure salaries all over the place. Hint: China mining raw materials
> > ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>
>
>
> Lithium mining by country:
>
> 1 Australia
> 2 Chile
> 3 China
> 4 Argentina
> 5 Brazil
> 6 Zimbabwe
> 7 Portugal
> 8 Canada
>
> https://www.developmentaid.org/news-stream/post/170661/five-major-
> lithium-producing-countries
>
> >
> > You libbys are so darn ignorant.
> > You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>
>
> Trump had his chance gto "make
> America great" before, we got a
> failed wall, massive job losses,
> massive deficits, and hundreds of
> associates arrested. Time for a
> change.
>

To what? High prices? More crime and wars? You have had over 3 years to
make a "change">
>
>
>

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>You said he [DJT] was going to take away your rights. When I asked you what
>rights you ran away. Why is that?

Reference the thread you're talking about.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/29/24 5:33 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 17:01:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>
>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>
> Won't help at all. Oil is a global commodity. If we drill more, they drill
> less to keep the price/profit levels up. We saw this during the pandemic when
> Trump worked with Bin Salman and Putin to cut their oil production in order to
> force oil prices UP.

What would help at least as much (and potentially more) is for local
'green' generation (solar; wind), so as to displace the demand for oil,
so the "drill baby drill" is a deliberately incomplete policy plan.

>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>
> A mere placebo. Waste is nothing compared to total deficits and is far less
> than the money lost to tax cuts for the rich.

Indeed. If it was possible to get rid of the entire Federal workforce,
the cost savings would be roughly just half of what the annual cost is
of the 2017 TCJA (which was promised to have no effect on fed revenues).

>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>>
>>> 3. Regulation Cuts.
>
> Dangerous to the public. I like clean air and water. I like safe, effective
> medicines, clean and pure food and business held accountable.

When one does away with playing field levelling regulations, there's a
lot of hidden costs for individuals & businesses to increase their
internal quality controls to offset the risks of getting dangerous crap.

>> Perhaps could increase supply (or not), but no details, more bromide.
>>
>>> 4. Tax Cuts.
>>
>> That spurs inflation (increases demand).

Yup, its more money in the economy available to spend.

> If Reagan had left taxes alone, inflation would have ended in 1982, not peaked.
>
>>> 5. Rebalance Trade.
>>
>> Tariffs? That spurs inflation.

By raising prices of goods.

> It also costs jobs as retaliatory tariffs from other nations cuts into our
> exports.

That too; a friend lost his US Export business in 18/19 because of this.

> You can't rebalance trade with tariffs. You can only rebalance trade by
> producing superior products at lower cost and/or by devaluing the dollar with
> would bring back the inflation monster.
>
>>> 6. Stop illegal Immigration.
>>
>> Not relevant.

I'd say that it is, since it is a reduction in the workforce, which
increases the costs of labor, which is inflationary. Of course, the
counterpoint is fewer workers = fewer services = recessionary risk.

>>
>>> 7. End Destabilzing Wars.
>
> What wars?

Likewise, how does one end them? By surrendering to the aggressors?
Neville Chamberlain would like a word about that.

>
>> Oil prices? Iran comes to mind, but the Middle East remains only at
>> proxy-war level.
>
> And that, too, is Trump's fault. The west was on the path of normalizing
> relations with Iran and putting the brakes on their nuclear program until Trump
> screwed it up.

And Iran is now closer than ever to having their own nuclear capability
because of Trump...

....but that's supposedly not "destabilizing", somehow! /s

-hh

On 8/29/24 1:34 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <vaodpk$3lnmn$1@dont-email.me>, noway@nowhere.com says...
>>
>> On 8/28/2024 4:20 PM, John Smyth wrote:
>>> 1. Unleash American Energy-- Drill Baby Drill.
>>
>> Could help, but at a long-term cost.
>
> Hasn't hurt anything yet.
>>
>>> 2. Rein In Wasteful Federal Spending.
>>
>> The "waste" is in the noise. Bromide
>
> Giving fence jumpers more than a vet gets.

Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?

> Giving tons of money to other
> countries that launder it and never pay it back.

Interesting claim. Got substantiating details?

Make sure to include the part on how it was a loan and not a gift.

Similarly, contemplate the pros/cons of foreign aid which is intended to
allow those foreigners to stay in their home country, instead of seeking
to emigrate to the USA. Likewise, look at the business angle from such
economic development to cultivate markets for US manufacturers to have
an export market to sell goods to too.

-hh

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:26:20 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.

Vice Presidents don't set policy. They don't pass legislation. They don't run
the country. They are typically window dressing first in line at the box
office.

Terms of the debate
<https://www.gocomics.com/johndeering/2024/08/28>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On 29/08/2024 21:29, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:26:20 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>
> Vice Presidents don't set policy. They don't pass legislation. They don't run
> the country. They are typically window dressing first in line at the box
> office.
>
> Terms of the debate
> <https://www.gocomics.com/johndeering/2024/08/28>

Who wields the REAL power in the USA?

Mr Biden appears to have been somewhat disabled for quite some time.
Who has told him what to do and say?

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 04:42:00 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>
>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>
>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>> country much, much better off.
>
>Oh Jesus, come on already.
>All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.

Liar. He did much MUCH more than that. All of his legal challenges were denied
so he then tried to get a populous swing state to falsify it's election results.
When that failed, he tried to send illegal electors to Washington and when THAT
failed he fomented an insurrection intended to cow the Congress into keeping him
in power which *also* failed. Trump is a failure.

>Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
>prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump

Liar again. It can ALL be tied directly to Trump and it will be when he's tried
next year.

> to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.

Any Republican accusation is, in fact, a confession.

>And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.

Lying again. Everything 'new' that comes out is actually old stuff that's been
debunked or thrown out of court already.

>So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?

I live in a country that does not exist under a coup installed dictator.

And if you think America would be anything else had Trump succeeded in
overturning the election, you are gravely mistaken.

Surprising expectations
<https://www.gocomics.com/joe-heller/2024/07/29>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 15:00:25 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> On 8/28/2024 9:42 PM, pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-29, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/28/2024 8:26 PM, pothead wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>>> this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>>>
>>>>> And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>>
>>>> We no longer have a president who tried to steal an election and block
>>>> the peaceful transition of power. And yes, that makes me and the entire
>>>> country much, much better off.
>>>
>>> Oh Jesus, come on already.
>>> All Trump was doing was trying to challenge an election that stank of corruption.
>>
>> The fever dream will never end for you.
>>
>>> Sure there were people who went overboard destroying property and so forth and they should be
>>> prosecuted but you simply cannot tie Trump to any of that so stop parroting the MSM.
>>> And BTW evidence comes out almost daily that the 2020 election was not honest.
>>>
>>> So assume that matters to you, how are you better off?
>>>
>>> Food prices?https://www.walmart.com/search?q=flip+flops
>>> Interest rates?
>>> World wars?
>>> Etc.
>>
>> All of that is secondary to keeping our democracy.
>
>That's a hoot coming from a libby who just had their candidate, the one the people voted for,
>boot out, replaced and another person installed.
>That's called a coup.

Liar. It's called a private political party selecting a candidate. Must I
remind you that primaries became the sole means of selecting Presidential
candidates only in 1972? There is no law that NOMINEES must be selected by
popular vote. The parties are free to select their nominees in any way they see
fit.

There are no complaints from the Democrat rank and file and not one delegate,
not even ONE cast a vote for any other candidate.

>And yes, you did lose your democracy.

No, you lost your dictator.

Country club set
<https://www.gocomics.com/johndeering/2024/08/21

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 05:06:38 -0000 (UTC), pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>On 2024-08-29, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Trump is just snake oil, with his claims of preventing WWIII.
>>>> Kamala will steer the ship properly, no one denies it's a cataclysmal
>>>> period we're in, but the Democrats aren't weak, it's why numerous
>>>> Republicans are on our side in this, against DJT. We are the only
>>>> coalition with a non-dystopian vision. "Make America Great Again"?!
>>>> Says who, Donald? What was so "great" about the $2 Bacon McDouble, or
>>>> whatever, sir? Your economy isn't magic except for those who directly
>>>> benefit from it, which is admittedly a sector I care about a lot, the
>>>> working, blue collar industries in the U.S., no one denies that it
>>>> matters, but it isn't the center of everything in a global economic
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> And their use of deficits tells the real story, they're not
>>>> "conservative", they're right-wing, there's a difference. Right-wing
>>>> can enable whatever crazy scheme is cooked up by a think tank, to get
>>>> us into more debt. Democrats have the record of countering that.
>>>
>>>1. It's a cataclysmal period we are in due to Biden/Harris.
>>>2. Harris has had 4 years to work with Biden to fix it. She has done nothing.
>>>3. Blue collar industries? the move to EV is not helping anyone at that level. Just because the
>>>leaders of a particular union support a candidate doesn't mean the rank and file support the same
>>>candidate. Hint: autoworkers despise Biden. Do the research.
>>>
>>>So where are all of these green energy jobs that Biden/Harris promised would appear after he
>>>cancelled say the Keystone pipeline? According the Biden and Hillary as well, we should have
>>>programmers making 6 figure salaries all over the place.
>>>Hint: China mining raw materials ie: lithium etc for batteries.
>>>
>>>You libbys are so darn ignorant.
>>>You hate Trump so much you go delusional.
>>>
>>>Take your TDS infected tinfoil hat off for a second and think about this. Are you HONESTLY, and
>>>this means YOU, better under Biden than you were under Trump.
>>>
>>>And if so, SPECIFICALLY how?
>>>
>>>The reason I ask is that I have not encountered a single person who can say YES and then tell me
>>>SPECIFICALLY how.
>>>
>>>Maybe you can.
>>>
>>>Ball is in your court Joel.
>>
>>
>> I can tell you: I live in a blue part of a blue state. We're better
>> off, because our guy won. That's what this is really about, the fact
>> that we can't go in both directions at once. Trump is not just a
>> threat to some people's economics, though, but to democracy itself. I
>> don't accept that he's fit to be a dictator, nor that we'd accept that
>> vision of it to begin with, it's nothing but his greed for power, and
>> people's stupidity in wanting him to have it.
>>
>
>So you can give no specifics.
>Ok I get it.
>You are just another low information TDS infected voter.

I get why red states support Trump. As a whole they're poor and undereducated.

Blue states are more affluent and generally better educated.

Menswear
<https://www.gocomics.com/tim-campbell/2024/07/18>

--
"Of all the things that I hated about my childhood, nothing
compared to the revolving door of father figures." -- JD Vance

#NEVERtrump