DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>On 5/8/2024 8:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 11:35:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
>>> from 'next to nothing'.
>>
>> You would be more credible if you weren't so over the top.
>
>Linux means "I compromised. I wanted to fuck a woman but I jacked off
>in a tissue".

Not in my book, I even had Photoshop for several more months and just
flushed it with Win11, GIMP is fine. Just as Audacious is really
better than Winamp, etc.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:06:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything from
>>>> the United States because of the crap that is added to every product.
>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>
>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>> 'crap'?
>>>
>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>
>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium, monocalcium
>> phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric acid, potassium
>> sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is your government
>> responsible for some of the worst political garbage in the world, your
>> producers are poisoning you.
>
> As a kid, I was drinking a "milkshake" from a carton. I saw the list of
> ingredients. I asked my dad, "Dad, what is carrageena?"
>
> He said "It makes hair grow on your prick."
>
> Now you know how I got some of my sense of humor.

If I'm not mistaken, it is used as a thickener. However, it has since been
pinpointed as a carcinogen. Meanwhile, it appears in a crapload of foods
considered healthy by the USDA. It speaks volumes about how corrupt the
organization is.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:43:33 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/18/2024 6:36 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 20:43:01 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/2024 8:03 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything from
>>>>>> the United States because of the crap that is added to every
>>>>>> product.
>>>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>>>> 'crap'?
>>>>>
>>>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>>>
>>>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium,
>>>> monocalcium phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric acid,
>>>> potassium sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is your
>>>> government responsible for some of the worst political garbage in the
>>>> world, your producers are poisoning you.
>>>
>>>
>>> Are you saying none of that is in any Canadian food? Are you saying
>>> you're forced to eat it? What ARE you saying?
>>
>> There's either less or none of it. Even "organic" food from the United
>> States can't be trusted because like every other organization there, it
>> is corrupt. Countless people have died from consuming "organic"
>> products from the United States which had all sorts of bacteria to a
>> point that they had to make a Netflix documentary about it.
>
>
> Name of the documentary?

Poisoned: The Dirty Truth About Your Food.

Your frame of mind amuses me because one of the main characters in the
Fallout TV Series basically thought like you before eventually having his
mind opened to the fact that the American government and its corporations
aren't so virtuous.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 14:21:45 +0000, vallor wrote:

> On 18 May 2024 00:03:31 GMT, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote in
> <6647f053$0$7070$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
> You are polluting the cpu-x thread with Canadian right-wing balderdash.
> (Or maybe Russian; I'm not willing to try to analyze your forms of
> weirdness.)
>
> There's a reason you were slated to be kook-of-the-month,
> right before the awards went away. Consider that.

No shits given.

> I don't always like DFS, but I do agree with his assessment of your
> sense of propriety -- or rather, lack thereof.

I am happy to have brought you two closer.

On 5/18/2024 10:09 AM, vallor wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 19:18:38 -0400, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote in
> <6647e5ce$0$6435$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com>:
>
>> I tried cpuid -1 (info for only one processor). It output an
>> incredible amt of info, 816 lines, but it looks like a bitch to parse.
>
> Thanks for the pointer.
>
> What do you need to parse it for? Is it not "well-formatted" enough?

If you want to parse out the supported/not supported CPU features, it's
confusing where to look for them.

Advanced Power Management Features (0x80000007/ecx):
Advanced Power Management Features (0x80000007/edx):
AMD feature flags (0x80000001/ecx):
AMD Secure Encryption (0x8000001f):
Architecture Performance Monitoring Features (0xa):
AVX/YMM features (0xd/2):
CET_S state features (0xd/0xc):
CET_U state features (0xd/0xb):
Extended Feature 2 (0x80000021):
Extended Feature Extensions ID (0x80000008/ebx):
extended feature flags (0x80000001/edx):
extended feature flags (7):
Feature Extended Size (0x80000008/edx):
feature information (1/ecx):
feature information (1/edx):
Thermal and Power Management Features (6):
x2APIC features / processor topology (0xb):
XSAVE features (0xd/0):
XSAVE features (0xd/1):

$ hwinfo says my 5600G chips supports 102 CPU features (I sorted the list):

3dnowprefetch abm adx aes apic arat avx avx2 bmi1 bmi2 clflush
clflushopt clwb clzero cmov cmp_legacy constant_tsc cpuid cr8_legacy
cx16 cx8 de decodeassists erms extd_apicid f16c flushbyasid fma fpu
fsgsbase fsrm fxsr fxsr_opt ht hypervisor ibpb ibrs invpcid lahf_lm lm
mca mce misalignsse mmx mmxext movbe msr mtrr nonstop_tsc nopl npt
nrip_save nx osvw pae pat pausefilter pclmulqdq pdpe1gb perfctr_core
pfthreshold pge pni popcnt pse pse36 rdpid rdrand rdseed rdtscp rep_good
sep sha_ni smap smep ssbd sse sse2 sse4_1 sse4_2 sse4a ssse3 stibp svm
syscall topoext tsc tsc_reliable tsc_scale umip v_vmsave_vmload vaes
vmcb_clean vme vmmcall vpclmulqdq xgetbv1 xsave xsavec xsaveerptr
xsaveopt xsaves

Then I bounced the list against the output of CPUID:

# hwinfo flag Found in CPUID output
-----------------------------------------
1 3dnowprefetch : not found
2 abm : not found
3 adx : found in 'ADX instructions = true'
4 aes : found in 'AES instruction = true'
5 apic : found in 'process local APIC physical ID = 0x3 (3)'
6 arat : found in 'ARAT always running APIC timer = false'
7 avx : found in 'AVX: advanced vector extensions = true'
8 avx2 : found in 'AVX2: advanced vector extensions 2 = true'
9 bmi1 : found in 'BMI1 instructions = true'
10 bmi2 : found in 'BMI2 instructions = true'
11 clflush : found in 'CLFLUSH line size = 0x8 (8)'
12 clflushopt : found in 'CLFLUSHOPT instruction = true'
13 clwb : found in 'CLWB instruction = true'
14 clzero : found in 'CLZERO instruction = true'
15 cmov : found in 'CMOV: conditional move/compare instr = true'
16 cmp_legacy : not found
17 constant_tsc : not found
18 cpuid : not found
19 cr8_legacy : not found
20 cx16 : not found
21 cx8 : not found
22 de : found in 'model = 0x0 (0)'
23 decodeassists : not found
24 erms : not found
25 extd_apicid : not found
26 f16c : found in 'F16C half-precision convert instruction =
true'
27 flushbyasid : not found
28 fma : found in 'FMA instruction = true'
29 fpu : found in 'x87 FPU on chip = true'
30 fsgsbase : found in 'FSGSBASE instructions = true'
31 fsrm : not found
32 fxsr : not found
33 fxsr_opt : not found
34 ht : found in 'reenlightenment MSRs = true'
35 hypervisor : found in 'hypervisor guest status = true'
36 ibpb : found in 'IBRS/IBPB: indirect branch restrictions =
false'
37 ibrs : found in 'IBRS/IBPB: indirect branch restrictions =
false'
38 invpcid : found in 'INVPCID instruction = true'
39 lahf_lm : not found
40 lm : found in 'PCLMULDQ instruction = true'
41 mca : found in 'MCA: machine check architecture = true'
42 mce : found in 'MCE: machine check exception = true'
43 misalignsse : not found
44 mmx : found in 'MMX Technology = true'
45 mmxext : not found
46 movbe : found in 'MOVBE instruction = true'
47 msr : found in 'RDMSR and WRMSR support = true'
48 mtrr : found in 'MTRR: memory type range registers = true'
49 nonstop_tsc : not found
50 nopl : not found
51 npt : not found
52 nrip_save : not found
53 nx : not found
54 osvw : not found
55 pae : found in 'PAE: physical address extensions = true'
56 pat : found in 'PAT: page attribute table = true'
57 pausefilter : not found
58 pclmulqdq : found in 'VPCLMULQDQ instruction = true'
59 pdpe1gb : not found
60 perfctr_core : not found
61 pfthreshold : not found
62 pge : not found
63 pni : found in 'PNI/SSE3: Prescott New Instructions = true'
64 popcnt : found in 'POPCNT instruction = true'
65 pse : found in 'PSE: page size extensions = true'
66 pse36 : not found
67 rdpid : found in 'RDPID: read processor D supported = true'
68 rdrand : found in 'RDRAND instruction = true'
69 rdseed : found in 'RDSEED instruction = true'
70 rdtscp : found in 'RDTSCP = true'
71 rep_good : not found
72 sep : not found
73 sha_ni : not found
74 smap : found in 'SMAP: supervisor mode access prevention =
true'
75 smep : found in 'SMEP supervisor mode exec protection = true'
76 ssbd : found in 'SSBD: speculative store bypass disable =
false'
77 sse : found in 'SSE extensions = true'
78 sse2 : found in 'SSE2 extensions = true'
79 sse4_1 : not found
80 sse4_2 : not found
81 sse4a : found in 'SSE4A support = true'
82 ssse3 : found in 'SSSE3 extensions = true'
83 stibp : found in 'STIBP: 1 thr indirect branch predictor =
false'
84 svm : found in 'SvmSupported = false'
85 syscall : found in 'SYSCALL and SYSRET instructions = true'
86 topoext : not found
87 tsc : found in 'TSC: time stamp counter = true'
88 tsc_reliable : not found
89 tsc_scale : not found
90 umip : found in 'UMIP: user-mode instruction prevention =
true'
91 v_vmsave_vmload : not found
92 vaes : found in 'VAES instructions = true'
93 vmcb_clean : not found
94 vme : found in 'VME: virtual-8086 mode enhancement = true'
95 vmmcall : not found
96 vpclmulqdq : found in 'VPCLMULQDQ instruction = true'
97 xgetbv1 : not found
98 xsave : found in 'FXSAVE/FXRSTOR = true'
99 xsavec : found in 'XSAVEC instruction = true'
100 xsaveerptr : not found
101 xsaveopt : found in 'XSAVEOPT instruction = true'
102 xsaves : found in 'XSAVES/XRSTORS instructions = true'

102 features
59 not found in CPUID.txt
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Only 41% exact matches found. So it's hard to reconcile hwinfo flags
against the output of CPUID, which I would bet contains all those flags.

===========================================================================
python source
with open('hwinfo_flags.txt','r') as f1:
lines1 = f1.readlines()
longflag = len(max(lines1, key=len))
with open('cpuid.txt','r') as f2:
lines2 = f2.readlines()

found, fcnt = '',0
print('# hwinfo flag Found in CPUID output')
print('-----------------------------------------')
for i, line1 in enumerate(lines1):
print(i+1, line1.strip(), end = '')
found = 'not found'
for line2 in lines2:
if line1.lower().strip() in line2.lower().strip():
found = "found in '" + " ".join(line2.split()) + "'"
fcnt += 1
break
print(''.join([' ']*(longflag - len(line1.strip()))),end=': ')
print(found)

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On 5/18/2024 1:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:43:33 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 5/18/2024 6:36 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 20:43:01 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2024 8:03 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything from
>>>>>>> the United States because of the crap that is added to every
>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>>>>> 'crap'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>>>>
>>>>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium,
>>>>> monocalcium phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric acid,
>>>>> potassium sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is your
>>>>> government responsible for some of the worst political garbage in the
>>>>> world, your producers are poisoning you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you saying none of that is in any Canadian food? Are you saying
>>>> you're forced to eat it? What ARE you saying?
>>>
>>> There's either less or none of it. Even "organic" food from the United
>>> States can't be trusted because like every other organization there, it
>>> is corrupt. Countless people have died from consuming "organic"
>>> products from the United States which had all sorts of bacteria to a
>>> point that they had to make a Netflix documentary about it.
>>
>>
>> Name of the documentary?
>
> Poisoned: The Dirty Truth About Your Food.
>
> Your frame of mind amuses me because one of the main characters in the
> Fallout TV Series basically thought like you before eventually having his
> mind opened to the fact that the American government and its corporations
> aren't so virtuous.

EVERYTHING, including the purest H20, is dangerous to your body if you
ingest too much.

I'd love to see a true list of everything you've eaten the last year.
As is the case with Feeb, there's NO DOUBT hypocrisy runs rampant in
what you complain about vs what you actually consume.

On 5/18/2024 1:17 PM, DFS wrote:

> Only 41% exact matches found.  So it's hard to reconcile hwinfo flags
> against the output of CPUID, which I would bet contains all those flags.

Whoops. Mixed up my count and program verbiage. 59% of flags WERE
found in CPUID.

On 5/18/2024 12:58 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:06:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything from
>>>>> the United States because of the crap that is added to every product.
>>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>>
>>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>>> 'crap'?
>>>>
>>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>>
>>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium, monocalcium
>>> phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric acid, potassium
>>> sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is your government
>>> responsible for some of the worst political garbage in the world, your
>>> producers are poisoning you.
>>
>> As a kid, I was drinking a "milkshake" from a carton. I saw the list of
>> ingredients. I asked my dad, "Dad, what is carrageena?"
>>
>> He said "It makes hair grow on your prick."
>>
>> Now you know how I got some of my sense of humor.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, it is used as a thickener. However, it has since been
> pinpointed as a carcinogen. Meanwhile, it appears in a crapload of foods
> considered healthy by the USDA. It speaks volumes about how corrupt the
> organization is.

From the "corrupt" Canadian govt:

"Carrageenan is a sulfated galactose polymer with a high molecular
weight substance (>100 kilodaltons) and absent nutritive value.1
It has been used in the food industry for over 50 years, and is a
permitted additive in Health Canada’s on-line listing for emulsifying,
gelling, stabilizing or thickening agents.2"
....

What are the risks associated with carrageenan in the food supply?

No in vivo studies have shown any adverse affects in diets containing
carrageenan. Carrageenan has been studied in animal models in rodents
(mice, rats, guinea pigs, hamsters), pigs, infant baboons, and
humans, including infants taking formula containing carrageenan under
six months of age.4,5 Considering the high molecular weight of
carrageenan, it acts similar to other dietary fibres and may enlarge the
cecum, however, there has been no evidence of carcinogenic, tumor
promoter, genotoxic, developmental, or reproductive effects in animal
studies.4,5"

http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Educational%20Materials/EH/FPS/Food/Carrageenan1.pdf

Now find some lameass 'health guru' who claims his sister died of "too
much carrageenan in her milkshakes!"

You and Feeb need to get over yourselves and your self-righteous 'US
food additives are deadly' ignorance.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 13:40:47 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/18/2024 12:58 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:06:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything from
>>>>>> the United States because of the crap that is added to every
>>>>>> product.
>>>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>>>
>>>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>>>> 'crap'?
>>>>>
>>>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>>>
>>>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium,
>>>> monocalcium phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric acid,
>>>> potassium sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is your
>>>> government responsible for some of the worst political garbage in the
>>>> world, your producers are poisoning you.
>>>
>>> As a kid, I was drinking a "milkshake" from a carton. I saw the list
>>> of ingredients. I asked my dad, "Dad, what is carrageena?"
>>>
>>> He said "It makes hair grow on your prick."
>>>
>>> Now you know how I got some of my sense of humor.
>>
>> If I'm not mistaken, it is used as a thickener. However, it has since
>> been pinpointed as a carcinogen. Meanwhile, it appears in a crapload of
>> foods considered healthy by the USDA. It speaks volumes about how
>> corrupt the organization is.
>
>
> From the "corrupt" Canadian govt:
>
> "Carrageenan is a sulfated galactose polymer with a high molecular
> weight substance (>100 kilodaltons) and absent nutritive value.1 It has
> been used in the food industry for over 50 years, and is a permitted
> additive in Health Canada’s on-line listing for emulsifying,
> gelling, stabilizing or thickening agents.2"
> ...
>
> What are the risks associated with carrageenan in the food supply?
>
> No in vivo studies have shown any adverse affects in diets containing
> carrageenan. Carrageenan has been studied in animal models in rodents
> (mice, rats, guinea pigs, hamsters), pigs, infant baboons, and humans,
> including infants taking formula containing carrageenan under six months
> of age.4,5 Considering the high molecular weight of carrageenan, it
> acts similar to other dietary fibres and may enlarge the cecum, however,
> there has been no evidence of carcinogenic, tumor promoter, genotoxic,
> developmental, or reproductive effects in animal studies.4,5"
>
> http://www.bccdc.ca/resource-gallery/Documents/Educational%20Materials/
EH/FPS/Food/Carrageenan1.pdf
>
>
> Now find some lameass 'health guru' who claims his sister died of "too
> much carrageenan in her milkshakes!"
>
>
> You and Feeb need to get over yourselves and your self-righteous 'US
> food additives are deadly' ignorance.

<https://www.bing.com/search?
q=carrageenan+carcinogen&cvid=7d04e302e60a4b06815159867abdf4e3&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEAAYQDIGCAAQABhAMgYIARBFGDkyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQABhAMgYIBxAAGEAyBggIEAAYQNIBCDM5NjNqMGo0qAIAsAIB&FORM=ANAB01&adppc=EDGEESS&PC=U531>

On Sat, 18 May 2024 13:30:04 -0400, DFS wrote:

> On 5/18/2024 1:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:43:33 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/18/2024 6:36 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 20:43:01 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/17/2024 8:03 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 18:12:30 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 5/17/2024 6:01 PM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've lost five pounds since I decided to stop buying anything
>>>>>>>> from the United States because of the crap that is added to every
>>>>>>>> product.
>>>>>>>> You can deny that too, but it speaks volumes about you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "the crap that is added to every product"? What products? What
>>>>>>> 'crap'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More of your hateful lies and delusions about the United States.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MSGs, acesulfame-potassium, aspartame, carageenan, sodium,
>>>>>> monocalcium phosphate, diglycerides of fatty acids, phosphoric
>>>>>> acid, potassium sorbate, disodium diphosphate, etc.. Not only is
>>>>>> your government responsible for some of the worst political garbage
>>>>>> in the world, your producers are poisoning you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you saying none of that is in any Canadian food? Are you saying
>>>>> you're forced to eat it? What ARE you saying?
>>>>
>>>> There's either less or none of it. Even "organic" food from the
>>>> United States can't be trusted because like every other organization
>>>> there, it is corrupt. Countless people have died from consuming
>>>> "organic" products from the United States which had all sorts of
>>>> bacteria to a point that they had to make a Netflix documentary about
>>>> it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Name of the documentary?
>>
>> Poisoned: The Dirty Truth About Your Food.
>>
>> Your frame of mind amuses me because one of the main characters in the
>> Fallout TV Series basically thought like you before eventually having
>> his mind opened to the fact that the American government and its
>> corporations aren't so virtuous.
>
>
> EVERYTHING, including the purest H20, is dangerous to your body if you
> ingest too much.
>
> I'd love to see a true list of everything you've eaten the last year. As
> is the case with Feeb, there's NO DOUBT hypocrisy runs rampant in what
> you complain about vs what you actually consume.

Unlike you, I don't feel the need to document every food I've eaten in the
past few decades so as to eventually complain that open-source database
software doesn't document such useless data properly.

On 18 May 2024 10:36:31 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> There's either less or none of it. Even "organic" food from the United
> States can't be trusted because like every other organization there, it
> is corrupt. Countless people have died from consuming "organic" products
> from the United States which had all sorts of bacteria to a point that
> they had to make a Netflix documentary about it.

It took the boffins at the University of Manitoba to combine cultivars of
B. napus and B. rapa to create the creatively named Canola (Canada Oil)
since rapeseed doesn't roll off the tongue well.

They didn't stop there and created a GM Roundup tolerant strain. Today
over 90% of Canada's crop is GM and Canada's output exceeds even China's
by over a million tons.

How many people has that shit killed?

On 18 May 2024 17:01:49 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

> Your frame of mind amuses me because one of the main characters in the
> Fallout TV Series basically thought like you before eventually having
> his mind opened to the fact that the American government and its
> corporations aren't so virtuous.

Who the hell ever said the US government and multinational corporations
were virtuous?

On Sat, 18 May 2024 11:06:14 -0400, DFS wrote:

> MS Office Notepad++
> HWiNFO and AIDA64 and Sandra Lite Photoshop AutoCAD and BricsCAD and
> SolidWorks SQL Server ReNamer irfanview

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/linux/sql-server-linux-overview?
view=sql-server-ver16

I've never used any of the other products although I've seen Notepad++ in
action since our QA and support people use it. I prefer Vim.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 09:06:14 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> As a kid, I was drinking a "milkshake" from a carton. I saw the list of
> ingredients. I asked my dad, "Dad, what is carrageena?"
>
> He said "It makes hair grow on your prick."

I like cottage cheese but my wife observed that the brands I preferred
were those that used carrageenan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chondrus_crispus

I used to harvest it when I lived in NH. The Irish have been using 'Irish
moss' for centuries to make puddings similar to tapioca.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 18:42:58 +0000, rbowman wrote:

> On 18 May 2024 10:36:31 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> There's either less or none of it. Even "organic" food from the United
>> States can't be trusted because like every other organization there, it
>> is corrupt. Countless people have died from consuming "organic"
>> products from the United States which had all sorts of bacteria to a
>> point that they had to make a Netflix documentary about it.
>
> It took the boffins at the University of Manitoba to combine cultivars
> of B. napus and B. rapa to create the creatively named Canola (Canada
> Oil) since rapeseed doesn't roll off the tongue well.
>
> They didn't stop there and created a GM Roundup tolerant strain. Today
> over 90% of Canada's crop is GM and Canada's output exceeds even China's
> by over a million tons.
>
> How many people has that shit killed?

I can only imagine, but I don't know a single Canadian who actually buys
the stuff.

On 5/18/2024 2:48 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 18 May 2024 11:06:14 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>
>> MS Office Notepad++
>> HWiNFO and AIDA64 and Sandra Lite Photoshop AutoCAD and BricsCAD and
>> SolidWorks SQL Server ReNamer irfanview
>
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/linux/sql-server-linux-overview?
> view=sql-server-ver16

I knew the SQL Server engine had been ported to Linux, but what about
all the related tools and features: full-text search, replication, Mgmt
Studio, Stretch DB, Polybase, always on availability groups, Active
Directory authentication, SQL Server Agent, SQL Server R Services,
Analysis Services, Reporting Services, Integration Services, Data
Quality Services, Master Data Services, T-SQL and CLR (.NET Runtime)
stored procedures?

On Sat, 18 May 2024 18:45:29 +0000, rbowman wrote:

> On 18 May 2024 17:01:49 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>
>> Your frame of mind amuses me because one of the main characters in the
>> Fallout TV Series basically thought like you before eventually having
>> his mind opened to the fact that the American government and its
>> corporations aren't so virtuous.
>
> Who the hell ever said the US government and multinational corporations
> were virtuous?

In that paragraph, I never suggested that anyone actually uttered those
words.

People HAPPILY BECOME GMO's (Genetically Modified Organisms);
fewer are willing to eat it.

On Sat, 18 May 2024 15:08:32 -0400, DFS wrote:

> I knew the SQL Server engine had been ported to Linux, but what about
> all the related tools and features: full-text search, replication, Mgmt
> Studio, Stretch DB, Polybase, always on availability groups, Active
> Directory authentication, SQL Server Agent, SQL Server R Services,
> Analysis Services, Reporting Services, Integration Services, Data
> Quality Services, Master Data Services, T-SQL and CLR (.NET Runtime)
> stored procedures?

Most of those suck anyway. SSRS is a real bag. Power BI pretty much
supercedes it and there are Linux equivalents. I won't go through the
whole list, but Stretch DB is deprecated in Server 2022 and will be
removed in the future.

https://alternativeto.net/software/sql-server-management-studio/?
platform=linux

I prefer DBeaver since it works with SQLite, PostgreSQL, etc as well. It's
cross platform of course.

SQL Server on Linux is a bit of an oddity. We looked at it briefly to make
sure it would work. Postgres has come a long way and the price is right.
SQL Express is free but is limited. For full SQL Server you'll be paying
per core. Running SS on AWS really kicks up the hourly costs.

SQL Server has come a long way too. It wasn't that great in the earlier
incarnations, back when you were doing Access.

But you don't care anyway.

On 18 May 2024 19:03:50 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:

>> They didn't stop there and created a GM Roundup tolerant strain. Today
>> over 90% of Canada's crop is GM and Canada's output exceeds even
>> China's by over a million tons.
>>
>> How many people has that shit killed?
>
> I can only imagine, but I don't know a single Canadian who actually buys
> the stuff.

Oh, so you only export your poison? Noted.

https://www.canadianfoodtousa.com/product-page/peek-freans-digestive-
biscuit-300g

They're coy about what sort of vegetable oils they mix with the tropical
oils.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1345319/

I suppose nobody in Canada eats biscuits either?

rbowman wrote:

>>> They didn't stop there and created a GM Roundup tolerant strain. Today
>>> over 90% of Canada's crop is GM and Canada's output exceeds even
>>> China's by over a million tons.
>>>
>>> How many people has that shit killed?
>>
>> I can only imagine, but I don't know a single Canadian who actually buys
>> the stuff.
>
>Oh, so you only export your poison? Noted.
>
>https://www.canadianfoodtousa.com/product-page/peek-freans-digestive-biscuit-300g

Look, an unbroken, working link. One reason why I like Agent.

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"Ezekiel", attacking the GPL

On 2024-05-17, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 13:41:10 +0000, RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-05-17, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 03:04:45 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-15, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 14:04:34 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-14, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:54:36 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2024 12:14:27 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ... explain how it is the _software_ that is making them money,
>>>>>>>>> and not the _support_ for that software.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is the support that is making the money. That is the point,
>>>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ever heard of “give away the razor, sell the razorblades”? That’s
>>>>>>>> how Free Software works.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, it would be beneficial to open-source developers to make sure
>>>>>>> that their software breaks easily and crashes, so as to sell the
>>>>>>> support. Gotcha.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, that would be brilliant, because customers would flock by the
>>>>>> droves to useless, crap software... But you may have something,
>>>>>> people keep using crap Microsoft Windows even though their
>>>>>> "customers" are really Microsoft's unpaid beta testers.
>>>>>
>>>>> They use Windows because it's what they got on the computer they
>>>>> purchased which cost less than a similar Mac. Considering how Windows
>>>>> can run on just about any hardware and support every third-party
>>>>> peripheral they plug into it, they are not likely to seek out an
>>>>> alternative, even if it crashes a few times. It also has the largest
>>>>> library of software, and tons of experts can be found on the web to
>>>>> help them with any technical problem they have, free of charge. Those
>>>>> are real benefits, no matter how much one hates Windows.
>>>>
>>>> I find a lot better support for Linux on the Internet than I do for
>>>> Windows. There are a LOT of people who'll tell you how to fix
>>>> Windows...
>>>> only problem is, none of it EVER works. When my wife's old computer
>>>> BSOD'd (twice during upgrades) I found (and tried) about 20
>>>> "solutions,"
>>>> none of which worked.
>>>> The second time I went to what actually worked sooner — using a Linux
>>>> Live[B USB to download her data and rebuild the computer from scratch.
>>>> I could be a great Windows support expert... I've already memorized
>>>> the three Rs,
>>>> "Reboot. Reboot. Rebuild."
>>>>
>>>> (Again this is from a years back and I will admit that wife has had a
>>>> lot less trouble since then. Although I still have to reset her
>>>> network something or other when it slows to crawl on the Internet
>>>> (what is that crap?). And I still think Windows is the most convoluted
>>>> crap OS ever made.
>>>
>>> There are three issues I can imagine for the slow Internet: 1) an IP
>>> mismatch caused by a crappy TP-Link router (I've had this issue), 2)
>>> terrible Wi-Fi hardware such as the chips made by MediaTek, 3) too much
>>> distance and interference between her computer and the router. If you
>>> have a cheap TP-Link router, get rid of that thing. Their more
>>> expensive models are fine, but the one selling for around $30 causes a
>>> lot of chaos.
>>
>> I have a TP-Link router and it works well because the computers, except
>> for one room, are connected via LAN cables. I think TP-Link routers
>> can't handle a lot of WiFi traffic — they overheat. But the Gigabyte
>> Ethernet ports seem to be rock solid. There's computers in nine
>> locations in this house. Fortunately, when they ran the phone cables
>> they used CAT 5, so I just re-terminated the cables to CAT 5 jacks,
>> added five, cheap ($7 Gigabyte switches) and ran some CAT 5 cable at the
>> base of the wall for some of the locations not near a jack — and
>> everyone has fast, reliable Internet. Now that you mention it, I don't
>> think my wife's computer has had to have the network reset since I ran
>> the Ethernet cable to her computer. But I never had problems with the
>> Linux computers when using the same WiFi connections.
>
> With the aforementioned TP-Link router a technician from my ISP gave me, I
> had no problems in Linux either. However, the moment I got back into
> Windows, it wouldn't give me any kind of Internet after connecting to the
> router. I only eventually figured out that the router in question was
> using an already used IP address despite being configured not to. Why that
> would only be a problem for Windows is beyond me.

Beyond me also. Also beyond is why my wife's computer's network had to be
reset (when she was on WiFi) but the Linux computers were running fine.
Maybe the router was rejecting some kind of Microsoft snooping?

>>>>> Linux has much of the above too, but its library of software isn't as
>>>>> impressive and the software's general quality isn't there either. It
>>>>> works on anything, that's true, but not anyone is comfortable with
>>>>> the process of installing it, no matter how easy it is.
>>>>
>>>> I understand. I've known people who buy a new Windows computer every
>>>> time the old one slows down because that's all they want to know.
>>>> "Doesn't work right any more, but a new one."
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, we're dealing with high inflation and a likely recession
>>> which should prompt most people to save as much money as they can by
>>> keeping their hardware for as long as possible. Linux is going to be
>>> everyone's best friend soon.
>>
>> You're probably right. It's already happening in South America.
>
> And I don't blame them for rejecting Windows or anything else American,
> considering what the CIA did to topple their democratically elected
> governments in the past to make them puppet states of the USA. How many
> Latin leaders need to die in a plane crash before the world realizes that
> the American government, not the people, is indeed The Great Satan?

Agreed. Blinken is whining that China and Russia want to change the world
order. It will "damage U.S. interests." In other words it will countries
their sovereignty back and we won't be able to push them to do our bidding.

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On 2024-05-17, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
> On Fri, 17 May 2024 12:06:49 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> On 5/17/2024 11:14 AM, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 13:41:10 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-05-17, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 17 May 2024 03:04:45 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-05-15, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 15 May 2024 14:04:34 +0000, RonB wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-05-14, Andrzej Matuch <andrzej@matu.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 13 May 2024 22:54:36 +0000, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 13 May 2024 12:14:27 GMT, Andrzej Matuch wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ... explain how it is the _software_ that is making them money,
>>>>>>>>>>> and not the _support_ for that software.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is the support that is making the money. That is the point,
>>>>>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ever heard of “give away the razor, sell the razorblades”?
>>>>>>>>>> That’s how Free Software works.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, it would be beneficial to open-source developers to make sure
>>>>>>>>> that their software breaks easily and crashes, so as to sell the
>>>>>>>>> support. Gotcha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yeah, that would be brilliant, because customers would flock by
>>>>>>>> the droves to useless, crap software... But you may have
>>>>>>>> something, people keep using crap Microsoft Windows even though
>>>>>>>> their "customers" are really Microsoft's unpaid beta testers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They use Windows because it's what they got on the computer they
>>>>>>> purchased which cost less than a similar Mac. Considering how
>>>>>>> Windows can run on just about any hardware and support every
>>>>>>> third-party peripheral they plug into it, they are not likely to
>>>>>>> seek out an alternative, even if it crashes a few times. It also
>>>>>>> has the largest library of software, and tons of experts can be
>>>>>>> found on the web to help them with any technical problem they have,
>>>>>>> free of charge. Those are real benefits, no matter how much one
>>>>>>> hates Windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find a lot better support for Linux on the Internet than I do for
>>>>>> Windows. There are a LOT of people who'll tell you how to fix
>>>>>> Windows...
>>>>>> only problem is, none of it EVER works. When my wife's old computer
>>>>>> BSOD'd (twice during upgrades) I found (and tried) about 20
>>>>>> "solutions,"
>>>>>> none of which worked.
>>>>>> The second time I went to what actually worked sooner — using a
>>>>>> Linux Live[B USB to download her data and rebuild the computer from
>>>>>> scratch. I could be a great Windows support expert... I've already
>>>>>> memorized the three Rs,
>>>>>> "Reboot. Reboot. Rebuild."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Again this is from a years back and I will admit that wife has had
>>>>>> a lot less trouble since then. Although I still have to reset her
>>>>>> network something or other when it slows to crawl on the Internet
>>>>>> (what is that crap?). And I still think Windows is the most
>>>>>> convoluted crap OS ever made.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are three issues I can imagine for the slow Internet: 1) an IP
>>>>> mismatch caused by a crappy TP-Link router (I've had this issue), 2)
>>>>> terrible Wi-Fi hardware such as the chips made by MediaTek, 3) too
>>>>> much distance and interference between her computer and the router.
>>>>> If you have a cheap TP-Link router, get rid of that thing. Their more
>>>>> expensive models are fine, but the one selling for around $30 causes
>>>>> a lot of chaos.
>>>>
>>>> I have a TP-Link router and it works well because the computers,
>>>> except for one room, are connected via LAN cables. I think TP-Link
>>>> routers can't handle a lot of WiFi traffic — they overheat. But the
>>>> Gigabyte Ethernet ports seem to be rock solid. There's computers in
>>>> nine locations in this house. Fortunately, when they ran the phone
>>>> cables they used CAT 5, so I just re-terminated the cables to CAT 5
>>>> jacks, added five, cheap ($7 Gigabyte switches) and ran some CAT 5
>>>> cable at the base of the wall for some of the locations not near a
>>>> jack — and everyone has fast, reliable Internet. Now that you mention
>>>> it, I don't think my wife's computer has had to have the network reset
>>>> since I ran the Ethernet cable to her computer. But I never had
>>>> problems with the Linux computers when using the same WiFi
>>>> connections.
>>>
>>> With the aforementioned TP-Link router a technician from my ISP gave
>>> me, I had no problems in Linux either. However, the moment I got back
>>> into Windows, it wouldn't give me any kind of Internet after connecting
>>> to the router. I only eventually figured out that the router in
>>> question was using an already used IP address despite being configured
>>> not to. Why that would only be a problem for Windows is beyond me.
>>>
>>>>>>> Linux has much of the above too, but its library of software isn't
>>>>>>> as impressive and the software's general quality isn't there
>>>>>>> either. It works on anything, that's true, but not anyone is
>>>>>>> comfortable with the process of installing it, no matter how easy
>>>>>>> it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand. I've known people who buy a new Windows computer every
>>>>>> time the old one slows down because that's all they want to know.
>>>>>> "Doesn't work right any more, but a new one."
>>>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, we're dealing with high inflation and a likely recession
>>>>> which should prompt most people to save as much money as they can by
>>>>> keeping their hardware for as long as possible. Linux is going to be
>>>>> everyone's best friend soon.
>>>>
>>>> You're probably right. It's already happening in South America.
>>>
>>> And I don't blame them for rejecting Windows or anything else American,
>>> considering what the CIA did to topple their democratically elected
>>> governments in the past to make them puppet states of the USA. How many
>>> Latin leaders need to die in a plane crash before the world realizes
>>> that the American government, not the people, is indeed The Great
>>> Satan?
>>
>> kooks
>
> Which part are you denying?

Just DuFuS doing his DuFuS thing.

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Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 16:08 this Saturday (GMT):
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>On 5/8/2024 8:36 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2024 11:35:56 -0400, DFS wrote:
>>>
>>>> You give up many of the best applications in the world, and that's FAR
>>>> from 'next to nothing'.
>>>
>>> You would be more credible if you weren't so over the top.
>>
>>Linux means "I compromised. I wanted to fuck a woman but I jacked off
>>in a tissue".
>
>
> Not in my book, I even had Photoshop for several more months and just
> flushed it with Win11, GIMP is fine. Just as Audacious is really
> better than Winamp, etc.

Yeah, I'm using audacious right now!
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote at 21:41 this Friday (GMT):
> On Wed, 15 May 2024 23:50:04 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> And aren't updated as often.
>
> A key point of Open Source is the desire to encourage a “remix culture”.
> It’s difficult to do that if the parts you are trying to remix are under
> different, incompatible licences.
>
> This is why the recommendation is not to proliferate Open Source licences,
> but to choose from the existing, long-established ones that are available.

Oh.
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