https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/28/2024 6:36 PM, Joel wrote:

> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/

"We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
GitLab (winehq.org)."

https://www.mono-project.com/

Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>
>"We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>GitLab (winehq.org)."
>
>https://www.mono-project.com/
>
>
>Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.

Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte
Agent to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a
remarkable way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:47:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
<t5hvcjdl5mn0uf81hef70nr70bk2kq370b@4ax.com>:

> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-
as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>
>>"We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>>over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>>GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>
>>https://www.mono-project.com/
>>
>>
>>Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>>a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>
>
> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte Agent
> to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a remarkable
> way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.

Works well enough that proton is built on it, which runs
Windows games, which are applications that would be most
punishing for WINE's capabilities.

Depending on the game, it can be faster on proton, thanks to DXVK.

I think ol' DFS is still stuck in the Linux of 5, 10 years ago.

--
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OS: Linux 6.11.0-rc5 Release: Mint 21.3 Mem: 258G
"Why do cats have canine teeth?"

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:47:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
><t5hvcjdl5mn0uf81hef70nr70bk2kq370b@4ax.com>:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-
>as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>>
>>>"We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>>>over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>>>GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>>
>>>https://www.mono-project.com/
>>>
>>>Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>>>a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>>
>> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
>> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte Agent
>> to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a remarkable
>> way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.
>
>Works well enough that proton is built on it, which runs
>Windows games, which are applications that would be most
>punishing for WINE's capabilities.
>
>Depending on the game, it can be faster on proton, thanks to DXVK.
>
>I think ol' DFS is still stuck in the Linux of 5, 10 years ago.

Yep, but DFS believes that Linux and FOSS have to be inferior, he has
to come up with reasons why that is, and yet it never pans out.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 8/28/2024 9:04 PM, vallor wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:47:55 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
> <t5hvcjdl5mn0uf81hef70nr70bk2kq370b@4ax.com>:
>
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-
> as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>>
>>> "We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>>> over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>>> GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>>
>>> https://www.mono-project.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>>> a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>>
>>
>> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
>> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte Agent
>> to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a remarkable
>> way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.
>
> Works well enough that proton is built on it, which runs
> Windows games, which are applications that would be most
> punishing for WINE's capabilities.
>
> Depending on the game, it can be faster on proton, thanks to DXVK.
>
> I think ol' DFS is still stuck in the Linux of 5, 10 years ago.

It's Wed morning @ 9:53am EDT so the winehq.org site is down, but
Codeweavers says:

"What is the Wine Project?
Wine is an open-source project that provides a compatibility layer used
to run Windows applications on other operating systems such as macOS and
Linux."

Are they sure about that?

You and Joel: install any version of MS Office in Wine and let me know
how it goes.

On 8/28/2024 8:47 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>
>> "We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>> over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>> GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>
>> https://www.mono-project.com/
>>
>>
>> Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>> a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>
>
> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte
> Agent to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a
> remarkable way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.

They have a tier of ratings - Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Garbage -
which proves it doesn't work at all like they claim.

"Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly,
eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and
allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."

Yeah right.

And if you want a real laugh, try to register for the Wine forums.
Instead of a captcha verification, they ask an esoteric technical
question that only Wine expert users would know the answer to. Absurd.

I'll pass on Wine for another couple years, at least.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>>
>>> "We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>>> over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>>> GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>>
>>> https://www.mono-project.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>>> a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>>
>> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
>> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte
>> Agent to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a
>> remarkable way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.
>
>They have a tier of ratings - Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze, Garbage -
>which proves it doesn't work at all like they claim.

Depends what you're trying to do. I am not trying to run games or M$
Office, or something.

>"Wine translates Windows API calls into POSIX calls on-the-fly,
>eliminating the performance and memory penalties of other methods and
>allowing you to cleanly integrate Windows applications into your desktop."
>
>Yeah right.
>
>And if you want a real laugh, try to register for the Wine forums.
>Instead of a captcha verification, they ask an esoteric technical
>question that only Wine expert users would know the answer to. Absurd.
>
>I'll pass on Wine for another couple years, at least.

It works remarkably well, for me, although admittedly I have a good
computer.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote at 00:47 this Thursday (GMT):
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/08/a-long-weird-foss-circle-ends-as-microsoft-donates-mono-to-wine-project/
>>
>>"We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking
>>over as the stewards of the Mono Project upstream at wine-mono / Mono ·
>>GitLab (winehq.org)."
>>
>>https://www.mono-project.com/
>>
>>
>>Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine Project,
>>a FOSS (cr)app that's been in development for 30 years and barely works.
>
>
> Wine is not an app, it's an implementation of Microsoft's GUI and
> whatnot that runs under Unix-like OSes. I'm using it to run Forte
> Agent to write this, as we speak. It doesn't "barely work", it's a
> remarkable way to run Windows apps, without being true emulation.

It does work well usually, but some stuff I'd like to use break on it
(like some unity steam games require a weird command line option to make
it work, and byond)
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:03:57 -0400, DFS wrote:

> Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine
> Project ...

Which is a key component that has made the Steam Deck possible.

You know, the product that is wiping the floor with Microsoft in the
handheld PC gaming market?

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 20:03:57 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>> Nothing instills confidence like being associated with the Wine
>> Project ...
>
>Which is a key component that has made the Steam Deck possible.
>
>You know, the product that is wiping the floor with Microsoft in the
>handheld PC gaming market?

DFS has a habit of obfuscating just how great FOSS/Linux can be, Wine
took time to mature to be sure, but it has, running this app with it
is trivial, and it is the foundation for Proton for more advanced
uses. DFS ends up sounding like a shill for M$.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.