The right wing media is devouring fat old Trump.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
against/

Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against

By Dan McLaughlin
August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
Observers of Donald Trump�s rallies over the past month � such as the NR
Editors panel on Friday � have noticed two related problems with Trump�s
rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren�t
consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
boring into the specific things they�ve done and said that show them to be
extremists.
Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
characterized Trump�s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
we�re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.

What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
commentariat�s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
(e.g., McCain�s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
there. He�d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
Trump isn�t using the best stuff because he�s so vague and blathery that he
isn�t communicating the attacks.
Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
Doesn�t Improve

The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
�severely conservative� and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you�d
find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
Review. Some of Trump�s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
sense.

Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
didn�t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
the conservative arguments.
Trump�s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
conservative shorthand. But it�s indecipherable to anybody who doesn�t know
the lyrics by heart.

All of this, of course, is why it�s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
time candidate instead of somebody fresher.

If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!

>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
>against/
>
>Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
>
>
>By Dan McLaughlin
>August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
>Observers of Donald Trump’s rallies over the past month — such as the NR
>Editors panel on Friday — have noticed two related problems with Trump’s
>rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
>considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
>One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
>various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
>to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren’t
>consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
>swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
>boring into the specific things they’ve done and said that show them to be
>extremists.
>
>Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
>characterized Trump’s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
>been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
>stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
>that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
>we’re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
>into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
>
>What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
>commentariat’s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
>Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
>that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
>(e.g., McCain’s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
>terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
>McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
>people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
>there. He’d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
>personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
>Trump isn’t using the best stuff because he’s so vague and blathery that he
>isn’t communicating the attacks.
>
>Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
>Doesn’t Improve
>
>The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
>deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
>Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
>that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
>“severely conservative” and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you’d
>find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
>Review. Some of Trump’s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
>contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
>that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
>sense.
>
>Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
>language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
>own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
>pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
>didn’t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
>the conservative arguments.
>Trump’s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
>new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
>conservative shorthand. But it’s indecipherable to anybody who doesn’t know
>the lyrics by heart.
>
>All of this, of course, is why it’s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
>time candidate instead of somebody fresher.

Well written article!

I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.

The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!

*I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
Donald.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:05:27 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:

>If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
>>against/
>>
>>Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
>>
>>
>>By Dan McLaughlin
>>August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
>>Observers of Donald Trump’s rallies over the past month — such as the NR
>>Editors panel on Friday — have noticed two related problems with Trump’s
>>rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
>>considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
>>One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
>>various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
>>to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren’t
>>consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
>>swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
>>boring into the specific things they’ve done and said that show them to be
>>extremists.
>>
>>Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
>>characterized Trump’s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
>>been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
>>stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
>>that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
>>we’re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
>>into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
>>
>>What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
>>commentariat’s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
>>Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
>>that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
>>(e.g., McCain’s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
>>terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
>>McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
>>people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
>>there. He’d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
>>personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
>>Trump isn’t using the best stuff because he’s so vague and blathery that he
>>isn’t communicating the attacks.
>>
>>Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
>>Doesn’t Improve
>>
>>The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
>>deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
>>Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
>>that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
>>“severely conservative” and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you’d
>>find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
>>Review. Some of Trump’s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
>>contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
>>that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
>>sense.
>>
>>Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
>>language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
>>own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
>>pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
>>didn’t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
>>the conservative arguments.
>>Trump’s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
>>new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
>>conservative shorthand. But it’s indecipherable to anybody who doesn’t know
>>the lyrics by heart.
>>
>>All of this, of course, is why it’s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
>>time candidate instead of somebody fresher.
>
>Well written article!
>
>I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
>OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.
>
>The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
>campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
>couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
>burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
>jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!
>
>*I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
>least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
>Donald.

A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
power, will try again under their own banner.

The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.

#nevertrump

One of his sharper days
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c4jXgcOscsE

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:05:27 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:
>
>>>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
>>>against/
>>>
>>>Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
>>>
>>>
>>>By Dan McLaughlin
>>>August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
>>>Observers of Donald Trump’s rallies over the past month — such as the NR
>>>Editors panel on Friday — have noticed two related problems with Trump’s
>>>rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
>>>considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
>>>One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
>>>various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
>>>to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren’t
>>>consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
>>>swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
>>>boring into the specific things they’ve done and said that show them to be
>>>extremists.
>>>
>>>Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
>>>characterized Trump’s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
>>>been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
>>>stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
>>>that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
>>>we’re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
>>>into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
>>>
>>>What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
>>>commentariat’s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
>>>Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
>>>that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
>>>(e.g., McCain’s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
>>>terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
>>>McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
>>>people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
>>>there. He’d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
>>>personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
>>>Trump isn’t using the best stuff because he’s so vague and blathery that he
>>>isn’t communicating the attacks.
>>>
>>>Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
>>>Doesn’t Improve
>>>
>>>The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
>>>deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
>>>Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
>>>that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
>>>“severely conservative” and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you’d
>>>find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
>>>Review. Some of Trump’s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
>>>contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
>>>that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
>>>sense.
>>>
>>>Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
>>>language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
>>>own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
>>>pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
>>>didn’t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
>>>the conservative arguments.
>>>Trump’s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
>>>new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
>>>conservative shorthand. But it’s indecipherable to anybody who doesn’t know
>>>the lyrics by heart.
>>>
>>>All of this, of course, is why it’s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
>>>time candidate instead of somebody fresher.
>>
>>Well written article!
>>
>>I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
>>OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.
>>
>>The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
>>campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
>>couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
>>burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
>>jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!
>>
>>*I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
>>least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
>>Donald.
>
>A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
>power, will try again under their own banner.
>
>The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.

This is why Kamala's gonna make Trump defeated again, we just can't
have four more years of DJT (or a dictatorship, beyond four years).

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Governor Swill wrote:
> shut them out.

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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...adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...

YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

Governor Swill wrote:
> A split is a possibility.

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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...adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...

YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

In article <67tsbjlfmqh5i8m1amlst3muc13a1evgvt@4ax.com>,
joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>
> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:05:27 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:
> >
> >>>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
> >>>against/
> >>>
> >>>Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>By Dan McLaughlin
> >>>August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
> >>>Observers of Donald Trump?s rallies over the past month ? such as the NR
> >>>Editors panel on Friday ? have noticed two related problems with Trump?s
> >>>rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
> >>>considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
> >>>One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
> >>>various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
> >>>to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren?t
> >>>consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
> >>>swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
> >>>boring into the specific things they?ve done and said that show them to be
> >>>extremists.
> >>>
> >>>Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
> >>>characterized Trump?s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
> >>>been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
> >>>stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
> >>>that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
> >>>we?re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
> >>>into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
> >>>
> >>>What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
> >>>commentariat?s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
> >>>Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
> >>>that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
> >>>(e.g., McCain?s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
> >>>terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
> >>>McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
> >>>people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
> >>>there. He?d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
> >>>personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
> >>>Trump isn?t using the best stuff because he?s so vague and blathery that he
> >>>isn?t communicating the attacks.
> >>>
> >>>Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
> >>>Doesn?t Improve
> >>>
> >>>The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
> >>>deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
> >>>Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
> >>>that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
> >>>?severely conservative? and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you?d
> >>>find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
> >>>Review. Some of Trump?s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
> >>>contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
> >>>that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
> >>>sense.
> >>>
> >>>Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
> >>>language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
> >>>own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
> >>>pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
> >>>didn?t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
> >>>the conservative arguments.
> >>>Trump?s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
> >>>new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
> >>>conservative shorthand. But it?s indecipherable to anybody who doesn?t know
> >>>the lyrics by heart.
> >>>
> >>>All of this, of course, is why it?s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
> >>>time candidate instead of somebody fresher.
> >>
> >>Well written article!
> >>
> >>I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
> >>OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.
> >>
> >>The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
> >>campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
> >>couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
> >>burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
> >>jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!
> >>
> >>*I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
> >>least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
> >>Donald.
> >
> >A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
> >power, will try again under their own banner.
> >
> >The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.
>
>
> This is why Kamala's gonna make Trump defeated again, we just can't
> have four more years of DJT (or a dictatorship, beyond four years).

Explain this dictatorship. I bet you can't. When you can get arrested
for not using the proper "pronoun" is not freedom.

On 2024-08-15, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
> In article <67tsbjlfmqh5i8m1amlst3muc13a1evgvt@4ax.com>,
> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>
>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:05:27 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
>> >>>against/
>> >>>
>> >>>Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>By Dan McLaughlin
>> >>>August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
>> >>>Observers of Donald Trump?s rallies over the past month ? such as the NR
>> >>>Editors panel on Friday ? have noticed two related problems with Trump?s
>> >>>rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
>> >>>considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
>> >>>One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
>> >>>various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
>> >>>to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren?t
>> >>>consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
>> >>>swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
>> >>>boring into the specific things they?ve done and said that show them to be
>> >>>extremists.
>> >>>
>> >>>Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
>> >>>characterized Trump?s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
>> >>>been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
>> >>>stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
>> >>>that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
>> >>>we?re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
>> >>>into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
>> >>>
>> >>>What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
>> >>>commentariat?s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
>> >>>Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
>> >>>that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
>> >>>(e.g., McCain?s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
>> >>>terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
>> >>>McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
>> >>>people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
>> >>>there. He?d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
>> >>>personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
>> >>>Trump isn?t using the best stuff because he?s so vague and blathery that he
>> >>>isn?t communicating the attacks.
>> >>>
>> >>>Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
>> >>>Doesn?t Improve
>> >>>
>> >>>The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
>> >>>deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
>> >>>Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
>> >>>that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
>> >>>?severely conservative? and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you?d
>> >>>find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
>> >>>Review. Some of Trump?s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
>> >>>contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
>> >>>that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
>> >>>sense.
>> >>>
>> >>>Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
>> >>>language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
>> >>>own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
>> >>>pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
>> >>>didn?t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
>> >>>the conservative arguments.
>> >>>Trump?s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
>> >>>new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
>> >>>conservative shorthand. But it?s indecipherable to anybody who doesn?t know
>> >>>the lyrics by heart.
>> >>>
>> >>>All of this, of course, is why it?s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
>> >>>time candidate instead of somebody fresher.
>> >>
>> >>Well written article!
>> >>
>> >>I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
>> >>OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.
>> >>
>> >>The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
>> >>campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
>> >>couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
>> >>burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
>> >>jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!
>> >>
>> >>*I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
>> >>least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
>> >>Donald.
>> >
>> >A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
>> >power, will try again under their own banner.
>> >
>> >The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.
>>
>>
>> This is why Kamala's gonna make Trump defeated again, we just can't
>> have four more years of DJT (or a dictatorship, beyond four years).
>
> Explain this dictatorship. I bet you can't. When you can get arrested
> for not using the proper "pronoun" is not freedom.

I'd like to see how Trump was/is going to be a dictator.
The Biden/Harris/democrat administration sure appear to be dictators though.
Examples:

1. War on fossil fuels and ICE vehicles with the goal of forcing people to EV.
2. War on gas stoves forcing people to move to electric or in the case of professional restaurants
requiring them to purchase expensive filtering systems.
3. War on gasoline powered lawn, gardening tools such as mowers.
4. Biden's justice department targeting conservative groups like the Catholic Church.
5. Biden's justice system calling and targeting parents who speak up against radical left topics
being taught in schools domestic terrorists.
6. Biden ignoring SCOTUS decisions regarding paying off student loans.
7. Biden hamstringing exploration of fossil fuels.
8. Biden attempting to mandate masks for air travel. That one got shot down.

The list is endless.

So what, specifically, has Trump done that causes you to call him a dictator?
One stupid joke he made about only being a dictator for a day and made in the context of
rescinding all of the Biden EO his first day in office.
This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
Although his butt buddy snit is a close second.

--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:

>This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.

You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
in any way, they are soiled by DJT.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-15, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>> In article <67tsbjlfmqh5i8m1amlst3muc13a1evgvt@4ax.com>,
>> joelcrump@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 09:05:27 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/trump-has-become-what-he-campaigned-
>>>>>> against/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump Has Become What He Campaigned Against
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By Dan McLaughlin
>>>>>> August 13, 2024 3:46 PM
>>>>>> Observers of Donald Trump?s rallies over the past month ? such as the NR
>>>>>> Editors panel on Friday ? have noticed two related problems with Trump?s
>>>>>> rhetorical approach to taking on Kamala Harris (even aside from his ill-
>>>>>> considered attacks, as happened when he went after Brian Kemp in Georgia).
>>>>>> One is that Trump often goes into spin-the-oldies mode, describing his
>>>>>> various favorite themes and grievances in a shorthand that will be familiar
>>>>>> to his fans but is nearly incomprehensible to undecided voters who aren?t
>>>>>> consumers of MAGA media. The other is that Trump is offering generalized
>>>>>> swipes at Harris and Tim Walz for their records and positions but not
>>>>>> boring into the specific things they?ve done and said that show them to be
>>>>>> extremists.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back during the primaries, I warned that the flexibility and freshness that
>>>>>> characterized Trump?s campaign in 2016 was eroding because, by now, he has
>>>>>> been in a lot of political fights and has a record, so his style sounds
>>>>>> stale, his jabs are predictable, and he is loath to change course in ways
>>>>>> that would amount to admissions of mistakes or failure in the past. What
>>>>>> we?re seeing now is another side of that, and an ironic one: Trump turning
>>>>>> into what he campaigned against in Republican politics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What, after all, characterized the conservative and right-wing
>>>>>> commentariat?s two big frustrations with John McCain in 2008 and Mitt
>>>>>> Romney in 2012 and, more broadly, with establishment Republican politicians
>>>>>> that Trump was supposed to cure? Some of the frustration was ideological
>>>>>> (e.g., McCain?s views on immigration), and some was broken promises, but in
>>>>>> terms of communications, there were two persistent grievances. One was that
>>>>>> McCain and Romney were unwilling or unable to deliver the best attacks that
>>>>>> people on their side thought they should make. Trump, by contrast, would go
>>>>>> there. He?d never leave a weapon unused. He was attack politics
>>>>>> personified. But now the pundit and talker class is back to fuming that
>>>>>> Trump isn?t using the best stuff because he?s so vague and blathery that he
>>>>>> isn?t communicating the attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump Will Get His Clock Cleaned by Kamala Harris in the Debate If He
>>>>>> Doesn?t Improve
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The other thing Trump was supposed to represent was a fresh voice in how to
>>>>>> deliver Republican arguments to voters who were not already committed
>>>>>> Goldwaterite conservatives. Romney, in particular, always seemed to believe
>>>>>> that he had to go around telling rather than showing people that he was
>>>>>> ?severely conservative? and Reaganite and stood for all the stuff you?d
>>>>>> find in a Heritage Foundation white paper or a back issue of National
>>>>>> Review. Some of Trump?s 2016 rivals did a bit too much of the same. This
>>>>>> contrasted with Reagan himself, who had folksy ways of delivering arguments
>>>>>> that were conservative in substance but he would present simply as common
>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump never did communicate like Reagan, but knowing nothing of the
>>>>>> language of Republican discourse, he threw out the playbook and found his
>>>>>> own ways to say things that reached some new people. We can argue about the
>>>>>> pros and cons of this, but the point is that it was new and distinct and it
>>>>>> didn?t take for granted that his audience already knew and agreed with all
>>>>>> the conservative arguments.
>>>>>> Trump?s not doing that anymore. The old shibboleths are dead; long live the
>>>>>> new shibboleths. Everything is now in Trump shorthand instead of movement-
>>>>>> conservative shorthand. But it?s indecipherable to anybody who doesn?t know
>>>>>> the lyrics by heart.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All of this, of course, is why it?s a bad idea to run a 78-year-old third-
>>>>>> time candidate instead of somebody fresher.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well written article!
>>>>>
>>>>> I left the GOP in '08 after voting Republican for nearly 50 years...
>>>>> OK, *mostly* voted Republican. I was a right-leaning moderate.
>>>>>
>>>>> The worst part of the GOP's platform is Trump. I don't know why his
>>>>> campaign didn't see the switcheroo; I had been expecting it for a
>>>>> couple of years... and the Donald is still whining about a big nothing
>>>>> burger that caught him flat-footed. The GOP campaign managers need to
>>>>> jerk his leash sharply and bring him on topic!
>>>>>
>>>>> *I* will vote for Kamala this round; however, our country needs at
>>>>> least two healthy parties... and the GOP's health is failing with the
>>>>> Donald.
>>>>
>>>> A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
>>>> power, will try again under their own banner.
>>>>
>>>> The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is why Kamala's gonna make Trump defeated again, we just can't
>>> have four more years of DJT (or a dictatorship, beyond four years).
>>
>> Explain this dictatorship. I bet you can't. When you can get arrested
>> for not using the proper "pronoun" is not freedom.
>
> I'd like to see how Trump was/is going to be a dictator.
> The Biden/Harris/democrat administration sure appear to be dictators though.
> Examples:
>
> 1. War on fossil fuels and ICE vehicles with the goal of forcing people to EV.
> 2. War on gas stoves forcing people to move to electric or in the case of professional restaurants
> requiring them to purchase expensive filtering systems.
> 3. War on gasoline powered lawn, gardening tools such as mowers.
> 4. Biden's justice department targeting conservative groups like the Catholic Church.
> 5. Biden's justice system calling and targeting parents who speak up against radical left topics
> being taught in schools domestic terrorists.
> 6. Biden ignoring SCOTUS decisions regarding paying off student loans.
> 7. Biden hamstringing exploration of fossil fuels.
> 8. Biden attempting to mandate masks for air travel. That one got shot down.

> The list is endless.

That's just 8 different ways of saying, "I support fossil fuels and they
do not."

Look at it this way, we've got 6 billion years before any existential
crisis. We're going about things burning up fossil fuels way too fast.
It's a grievous waste. How many oil wells have been dried up to date?
We're in talks to drill for oil in Alaska. Saudis have us by the balls
over our fossil fuel use. There will be plenty of electrical vehicles
crawling all over the Earth. Progress will still get done. And in my
opinion, it's not going to take 6 billions yrs to do what we need to but
more like 300. Say it doubles that time to 600 yrs. That's still close
to 2 millionths of the time humanity has with Earth. Meanwhile we're
storing crude oil in millions of barrels for the future of humanity in
emergencies.

I am shocked by the rapidity with which we are burning through fossil
fuels. Renewable energy has such promise. Call it Ghetto Fusion.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:26:53 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:

>Explain this dictatorship. I bet you can't. When you can get arrested
>for not using the proper "pronoun" is not freedom.

We'll be free of MAGA and that's good enough for me.

#nevertrump

"Google AdSence in Russia seems to be over. YouTube bloggers received an email with a
decision to deactivate all accounts of Russian users from monetization."
<https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1822933657260069072>

pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote in
news:v9m0f4$148vk$1@dont-email.me:

>
> 7. Biden hamstringing exploration of fossil fuels.

Oh dear.

What sort of leftwing eco president would do that?

Trump Bans Oil Drilling Off
Florida, Georgia, South Carolina
Sept 9 2020
https://tinyurl.com/3tfn3tvj

Trump extends drilling ban off
North Carolina, Virginia
Sept 25, 2020
https://tinyurl.com/239u3bf6

If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!

>A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
>power, will try again under their own banner.
>
>The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.

Unfortunately, we're in a zero-sum world right now. One side wins and
one loses.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:03:03 -0500, "X, formerly known as \"!Jones\"" <x@y.com> wrote:

>If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!
>
>>A split is a possibility. The hard right, the racists and fascists, having flexed some
>>power, will try again under their own banner.
>>
>>The Libs and Cons will unite to shut them out.
>
>Unfortunately, we're in a zero-sum world right now. One side wins and
>one loses.

If the GOP splits, they'll moderate and pull a lot of centrists that used to be
Republicans back into the fold. The Dems will swing farther left while the Nazis and
white supremacists will get worn down with failure.

#nevertrump
Trump Gets TAUNTED At His Own Golf Courses With This
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqksiYbuYPk>

If you have a medical emergency, stop reading, log off, and dial 911!

>If the GOP splits, they'll moderate and pull a lot of centrists that used to be
>Republicans back into the fold. The Dems will swing farther left while the Nazis and
>white supremacists will get worn down with failure.

I suppose that makes sense.

On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>>This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>
>
> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>
Nope.
I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
which you've conveniently snipped.
FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.

--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024.
Crazy Joe Biden Is A Demented Imbecile.
Impeach Joe Biden 2022.

In article <5lctbj54gn912r6g9ttuvluhc7onm9106t@4ax.com>,
governor.swill@gmail.com says...
>
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:26:53 -0600, Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Explain this dictatorship. I bet you can't. When you can get arrested
> >for not using the proper "pronoun" is not freedom.
>
> We'll be free of MAGA and that's good enough for me.
>
How does that explain his "dictatorship"?

In article <v9nirs$1ee8v$4@dont-email.me>, pothead@snakebite.com says...
>
> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> > pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >
> >>This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
> >
> >
> > You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
> > critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
> > in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
> >
> Nope.
> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
> which you've conveniently snipped.
> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.

I asked also and he diverted.

pothead wrote:
> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>>
>>
>> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
>> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
>> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>>
> Nope.
> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
> which you've conveniently snipped.
> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
>
When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash. Shouldn't there be an
investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
history books have the truth?

The Black Death, which killed up to half of Europe's population in the
mid-1300s, may have left a genetic mark on humans that still affects
health today. Some research suggests that the Black Death increased the
frequency of certain genetic variants related to immunity, potentially
shaping the evolution of immunity genes. However, other research
contradicts this, finding no evidence of genes that helped people
survive the plague.

In article <li99ekF8b21U1@mid.individual.net>, j63480576@gmail.com
says...
>
> pothead wrote:
> > On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
> >>
> >>
> >> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
> >> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
> >> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
> >>
> > Nope.
> > I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
> > which you've conveniently snipped.
> > FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
> > See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
> >
> When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
> virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash. Shouldn't there be an
> investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
> affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
> history books have the truth?
>
> The Black Death, which killed up to half of Europe's population in the
> mid-1300s, may have left a genetic mark on humans that still affects
> health today. Some research suggests that the Black Death increased the
> frequency of certain genetic variants related to immunity, potentially
> shaping the evolution of immunity genes. However, other research
> contradicts this, finding no evidence of genes that helped people
> survive the plague.

So about that dictator question.

On 2024-08-16, Altered Beast <j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:
> pothead wrote:
>> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>>>
>>>
>>> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
>>> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
>>> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>>>
>> Nope.
>> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
>> which you've conveniently snipped.
>> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
>> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
>>
> When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
> virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash.

The current conclusion by many scientists is that it was man made.
Whether released upon China's enemies on purpose is questionable though.
Why did China cover up early cases and not share what they knew at the time of the start of the
pandemic?
We will probably never know.

Shouldn't there be an
> investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
> affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
> history books have the truth?

Sure.
I give those in charge, both Biden and Trump a pass on how they handled COVID from a treatment POV.
We were inventing the science as we went along and unfortunately many bad decisions were made.
The investigations should go into the funding of the lab, who profited, what the drug companies
really knew about the efficacy of the vaccine, side effects, risks and so forth.
I don't know if it will ever happen though.

> The Black Death, which killed up to half of Europe's population in the
> mid-1300s, may have left a genetic mark on humans that still affects
> health today. Some research suggests that the Black Death increased the
> frequency of certain genetic variants related to immunity, potentially
> shaping the evolution of immunity genes. However, other research
> contradicts this, finding no evidence of genes that helped people
> survive the plague.

Interesting.
I did not know that.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776

Governor Swill wrote:
> worn down with failure.

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Rudy Canoza wrote:

I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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...adding in electoral fraud to your public death threats...

YOUR DEATH THREATS AGAINST TRUMP ARE WELL-DOCUMENTED:

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A Terrell/Al
Feldhauser/Malte Runz and a dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

Skeeter wrote:
> In article <li99ekF8b21U1@mid.individual.net>, j63480576@gmail.com
> says...
>>
>> pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
>>>> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
>>>> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>>>>
>>> Nope.
>>> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
>>> which you've conveniently snipped.
>>> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
>>> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
>>>
>> When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
>> virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash. Shouldn't there be an
>> investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
>> affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
>> history books have the truth?
>>
>> The Black Death, which killed up to half of Europe's population in the
>> mid-1300s, may have left a genetic mark on humans that still affects
>> health today. Some research suggests that the Black Death increased the
>> frequency of certain genetic variants related to immunity, potentially
>> shaping the evolution of immunity genes. However, other research
>> contradicts this, finding no evidence of genes that helped people
>> survive the plague.
>
> So about that dictator question.
>
AT the last rally Trump was mocking some guys in the crowd for wearing
masks. Just kidding. He doesn't do that anymore, why not?

Charlie Glock wrote:
> On 2024-08-16, Altered Beast <j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:
>> pothead wrote:
>>> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
>>>> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
>>>> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>>>>
>>> Nope.
>>> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
>>> which you've conveniently snipped.
>>> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
>>> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
>>>
>> When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
>> virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash.
>
> The current conclusion by many scientists is that it was man made.
> Whether released upon China's enemies on purpose is questionable though.
> Why did China cover up early cases and not share what they knew at the time of the start of the
> pandemic?
> We will probably never know.
>
>
> Shouldn't there be an
>> investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
>> affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
>> history books have the truth?
>
> Sure.
> I give those in charge, both Biden and Trump a pass on how they handled COVID from a treatment POV.
> We were inventing the science as we went along and unfortunately many bad decisions were made.
> The investigations should go into the funding of the lab, who profited, what the drug companies
> really knew about the efficacy of the vaccine, side effects, risks and so forth.
> I don't know if it will ever happen though.

Some guys, like Neil de Grasse Tyson, give all the glory to scientists.
I prefer to give greatest glory to the doctors. In a clean clinical
setting, they have advanced their practice to the point where people
feel comfortable. Science just lays down the facts, some of them NSFW,
and expects you to do what you will. Science is so busy making
discoveries that they have zero human relations infrastructure. My
mom's a doctor and I'm a scientist.

On 2024-08-16, Altered Beast <j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie Glock wrote:
>> On 2024-08-16, Altered Beast <j63480576@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> pothead wrote:
>>>> On 2024-08-15, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> This Joel Crump clown has to be one of the most low information voters ever to have existed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You say that because of political disagreement? In fact I am fairly
>>>>> critical of the Democrats, but I'm not going to help the Republicans
>>>>> in any way, they are soiled by DJT.
>>>>>
>>>> Nope.
>>>> I don't care what political affiliation you or anybody else is. I am merely point out the facts,
>>>> which you've conveniently snipped.
>>>> FWIW I voted for Clinton and Obama twice.
>>>> See my other post where I ask you, once again, to show me how Trump behaved like a dictator.
>>>>
>>> When he didn't follow up on a common theory that Covid was a manmade
>>> virus weaponized to reduce blue cities to ash.
>>
>> The current conclusion by many scientists is that it was man made.
>> Whether released upon China's enemies on purpose is questionable though.
>> Why did China cover up early cases and not share what they knew at the time of the start of the
>> pandemic?
>> We will probably never know.
>>
>>
>> Shouldn't there be an
>>> investigation? Do you think history will remember Covid? The deaths
>>> affecting human DNA and the scrambling to become hygienic... Shouldn't
>>> history books have the truth?
>>
>> Sure.
>> I give those in charge, both Biden and Trump a pass on how they handled COVID from a treatment POV.
>> We were inventing the science as we went along and unfortunately many bad decisions were made.
>> The investigations should go into the funding of the lab, who profited, what the drug companies
>> really knew about the efficacy of the vaccine, side effects, risks and so forth.
>> I don't know if it will ever happen though.
>
> Some guys, like Neil de Grasse Tyson, give all the glory to scientists.
> I prefer to give greatest glory to the doctors. In a clean clinical
> setting, they have advanced their practice to the point where people
> feel comfortable. Science just lays down the facts, some of them NSFW,
> and expects you to do what you will. Science is so busy making
> discoveries that they have zero human relations infrastructure. My
> mom's a doctor and I'm a scientist.

Agreed.
Those in the trenches were and still are the unsung heroes. My problem with the science as it
relates to the COVID pandemic is "what science" ?

Masks work.
Masks don't work.
Two masks work better than one.
Take 10 days to lock down and flatten the curve.
Alternative treatments like Ivermectin and others do not work.
MRNA vaccines prevent or minimize infecting others who may not have the vaccines.
Lock downs work.
etc.
Sadly the pandemic was a much a political issue as well as a medical one.
This will be studied for a century or more.

--
Charlie Glock
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms"
- Thomas Jefferson 1776