On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 16:53:07 -0400, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit spending.
>>>Not that I'm giving Obama a pass, because he famously didn't want to
>>>raise taxes in a recession, and we were in deficit before Trump. I
>>>believe Biden could've done more to rectify the situation, but I'm
>>>just a lone voice.
>>
>>You're half right. The other half was jacking up spending.
>>
>>Supply side economics has two sides: Cut taxes and cut spending. Republicans only cut
>>taxes. They NEVER cut spending. That's why supply side never works.
>
>We have certain levels of spending that are hard to stop,

Thanks more to Republicans than Democrats.

>so the tax
>cut is always a scheme to use bond sales that has gotten so out of
>control that I am just dumbfounded that we can't get a consensus to
>eliminate it. It's a numbers game but it's one that will cost our
>future selves dearly.

For Yak, debt and deficit have nothing to do with reality but everything to do with
partisanship.

Republicans only complain about debt and spending when there's a Democrat in the White
House *or* they control the Senate *or* they control the House. In fact, Republicans can
control both Houses and the Oval and *still* blame the deficit on the Democrats. They
blamed Reagan's spending on the Democrats at a time when the Dems only held the House.
They blamed the Dems for Bush's deficits even though they held both houses and the oval
before 2007.

They brazenly claimed that Clinton's spending restraint was due to the GOP Congress
despite the fact that GOP leaders including Tom Delay were on record saying they were
determined to spend "every penny and then some" of Clinton's surpluses.

Yet they still vote Republican and they still blame the Democrats.

#nevertrump

Excerpt from Walz' stump speech:
Don't believe Donald Trump when he plays dumb on Project 2025. ... I coached football
for enough years, that when somebody draws up a playbook, they plan on using it. And when
they do they'll restrict our freedoms. When they do they'll rig the economy so the middle
class gets nothing and the rich get richer.

Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit spending.
>>>>Not that I'm giving Obama a pass, because he famously didn't want to
>>>>raise taxes in a recession, and we were in deficit before Trump. I
>>>>believe Biden could've done more to rectify the situation, but I'm
>>>>just a lone voice.
>>>
>>>You're half right. The other half was jacking up spending.
>>>
>>>Supply side economics has two sides: Cut taxes and cut spending. Republicans only cut
>>>taxes. They NEVER cut spending. That's why supply side never works.
>>
>>We have certain levels of spending that are hard to stop,
>
>Thanks more to Republicans than Democrats.

It's just a matter of government meeting reality.

>>so the tax
>>cut is always a scheme to use bond sales that has gotten so out of
>>control that I am just dumbfounded that we can't get a consensus to
>>eliminate it. It's a numbers game but it's one that will cost our
>>future selves dearly.
>
>For Yak, debt and deficit have nothing to do with reality but everything to do with
>partisanship.
>
>Republicans only complain about debt and spending when there's a Democrat in the White
>House *or* they control the Senate *or* they control the House. In fact, Republicans can
>control both Houses and the Oval and *still* blame the deficit on the Democrats. They
>blamed Reagan's spending on the Democrats at a time when the Dems only held the House.
>They blamed the Dems for Bush's deficits even though they held both houses and the oval
>before 2007.
>
>They brazenly claimed that Clinton's spending restraint was due to the GOP Congress
>despite the fact that GOP leaders including Tom Delay were on record saying they were
>determined to spend "every penny and then some" of Clinton's surpluses.
>
>Yet they still vote Republican and they still blame the Democrats.

The stupidity of anyone who beLIEves the Republicans will cut spending
is hard to fathom, but it appears to exist.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit spending.
>>
>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit for
>> that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>
>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>> ($160 billion per year).
>>
>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>
>> How do you reach the conclusion you do?
>
>
> It's just math, if they don't collect tax they have to sell bonds.
>

You seem to have a problem with math.

On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:48:25 -0400, Joel wrote:

> The stupidity of anyone who beLIEves the Republicans will cut spending
> is hard to fathom, but it appears to exist.

Believing the Republicans (or Democrats) will do much of anything useful
is the road to disappointment. I laugh when I see 'so and so sponsored 324
bills' most of which are on the level of renaming the Podunk Pa post
office in honor of some other government drone.

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:

> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>
>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>
>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>
>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>
>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>
>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I need
>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>
>>
>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>> spending.
>
>
> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>
> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
> ($160 billion per year).
>
> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.

Clinton eliminated deficit spending.

Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.

Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?

Federal deficit, in trillions:

2016.............0,584

2017.............0,665

2018.............0,779

2019.............0,983

2020.............3,132

https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>
>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>
>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>
>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I need
>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>
>>>
>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>> spending.
>>
>>
>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>
>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>> ($160 billion per year).
>>
>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>
>
> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.

The debt went up under him.

> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.

As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and will.

> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?

Niether.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>
> 2016.............0,584
>
> 2017.............0,665
>
> 2018.............0,779
>
> 2019.............0,983
>
> 2020.............3,132
>
> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:

> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>
>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
need
>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>> spending.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>
>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>
>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>
>>
>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>
> The debt went up under him.
>

Deficits and debts are two different
things. Why are you changing the subject?

>> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.
>
> As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and
will.
>
>> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?
>
> Niether.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>
>> 2016.............0,584
>>
>> 2017.............0,665
>>
>> 2018.............0,779
>>
>> 2019.............0,983
>>
>> 2020.............3,132
>>
>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

On 8/16/2024 8:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
> need
>>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>>> spending.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>>
>>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>>
>>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>>
>>>
>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>
>> The debt went up under him.
>>
>
> Deficits and debts are two different
> things. Why are you changing the subject?

You're joking, right?

>
>>> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.
>>
>> As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and
> will.
>>
>>> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?
>>
>> Niether.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>>
>>> 2016.............0,584
>>>
>>> 2017.............0,665
>>>
>>> 2018.............0,779
>>>
>>> 2019.............0,983
>>>
>>> 2020.............3,132
>>>
>>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nj8m$1e8ai$5@dont-email.me:

> On 8/16/2024 8:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because
those
>>>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card
debt
>>>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
>> need
>>>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>>>> spending.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>>>
>>>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>>
>>> The debt went up under him.
>>>
>>
>> Deficits and debts are two different
>> things. Why are you changing the subject?
>
> You're joking, right?

Just answer the question.

>
>>
>>>> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.
>>>
>>> As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and
>> will.
>>>
>>>> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?
>>>
>>> Niether.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>>>
>>>> 2016.............0,584
>>>>
>>>> 2017.............0,665
>>>>
>>>> 2018.............0,779
>>>>
>>>> 2019.............0,983
>>>>
>>>> 2020.............3,132
>>>>
>>>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

On 8/16/2024 10:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nj8m$1e8ai$5@dont-email.me:

{snip}

>>>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>>>
>>>> The debt went up under him.
>>>
>>> Deficits and debts are two different
>>> things. Why are you changing the subject?
>>
>> You're joking, right?
>
>
> Just answer the question.

It isn't changing the subject. The debt is the cumulative deficits.
Clinton's last 2 years had surpluses, but we had cumulative deficits
across his 8 years.

On the other hand, Clinton had us on the right track which Bush took us off.

On 8/16/2024 1:51 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nj8m$1e8ai$5@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 8/16/2024 8:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because
> those
>>>>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card
> debt
>>>>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
>>> need
>>>>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>>>>> spending.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>>>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>>>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>>>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>>>
>>>> The debt went up under him.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Deficits and debts are two different
>>> things. Why are you changing the subject?
>>
>> You're joking, right?
>
>
> Just answer the question.

I adhere to the principle that there's no such thing as a stupid
question, just stupid people that ask questions.

>
>>
>>>
>>>>> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.
>>>>
>>>> As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and
>>> will.
>>>>
>>>>> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?
>>>>
>>>> Niether.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016.............0,584
>>>>>
>>>>> 2017.............0,665
>>>>>
>>>>> 2018.............0,779
>>>>>
>>>>> 2019.............0,983
>>>>>
>>>>> 2020.............3,132
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Rudy Canoza wrote:
> accrual accounting

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I might go to some swing state that is very close in the polls, and try
to become a mole saboteur in the Trump campaign. That sound like fun!

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Oh poor me I got shot at ...

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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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> No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to
thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently
> is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
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(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.

https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:42:03 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>I'm not a one issue voter. I'm on record of being critical of both
>democrat and gop spending.

Then what are your top issues this year?

#nevertrump
So ... teachers are grooming our children, but Republicans want to give them guns?
Got it.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:43:14 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>
>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I need
>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>> spending.
>>>
>>>
>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>
>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>
>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>
>>
>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>
>The debt went up under him.

The debt went down as expressed as %GDP for the first time since Ford left office and even
in nominal dollars Clinton's debt increase was the *lowest* since Carter left office.

>> Bush returned to it, Trump expanded it.
>
>As did Obama, Biden, and every president from here on out has, and will.

Obama inherited a trillion dollar systemic deficit. He reduced that by two thirds and
rebuilt the economy George Bush destroyed in the process. Under Trump, deficits began to
rise again. 8T he put on the debt in only 4 years. That's 2T a year in new debt under
Trump. Biden has not lowered the deficit as much as I'd like but it's tough to do with
systemic deficits. Hopefully the Dems will get to work on it. But why should they?
Nobody, not even you, votes based on the fiscal responsibility of the government.

>> Which is the party of "fiscal conservatism"?
>
>Niether.

Stop pretending you care.

>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>
>> 2016.............0,584
>>
>> 2017.............0,665
>>
>> 2018.............0,779
>>
>> 2019.............0,983
>>
>> 2020.............3,132
>>
>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

Thank you, President Trump.

#nevertrump

"I know that it's bad there are transgenders in women's boxing, but has anyone asked why
there are women in boxing in the first place?"

So ... the people who don't like transgenders in women's sports also don't like women in
women's sports?

Got it.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 09:12:54 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 8/16/2024 8:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because those
>>>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card debt
>>>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
>> need
>>>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>>>> spending.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>>>
>>>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>>
>>> The debt went up under him.
>>>
>>
>> Deficits and debts are two different
>> things. Why are you changing the subject?
>
>You're joking, right?

No, he's not. Clinton cut budget deficits and created budget surpluses in spite of GOP
attempts to destroy those surpluses.

That's a deficit discussion and if Bush had not cut taxes and if he had practiced the same
spending restraint as Clinton had, budget surpluses would have paid off the debt years
ago.
>>>> Federal deficit, in trillions:
>>>>
>>>> 2016.............0,584
>>>>
>>>> 2017.............0,665
>>>>
>>>> 2018.............0,779
>>>>
>>>> 2019.............0,983
>>>>
>>>> 2020.............3,132
>>>>
>>>> https://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_deficit_chart

#nevertrump

So ... Walz' state is fiscally sound but Republicans think that's a bad thing.
Got it.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:09:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>It isn't changing the subject. The debt is the cumulative deficits.
>Clinton's last 2 years had surpluses, but we had cumulative deficits
>across his 8 years.

You are incorrect. His surpluses minus his deficits equal a slight surplus.

>On the other hand, Clinton had us on the right track which Bush took us off.

Add together his four deficits and subtract that from the total of his four surpluses. You
will find a net budget surplus of 62,914,000.
<https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD>

Chickenfeed, I know. Especially compared to the 1,700,000,000,000 in new DEBT that Reagan
left us.

#nevertrump

MAGA hat: "I'm not a scientist but I know science."

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 15:21:50 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:

>On 8/16/2024 1:51 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nj8m$1e8ai$5@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 8/16/2024 8:51 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9nhh2$1e8ai$4@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/15/2024 10:26 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote in news:v9lmjl$128it$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/15/2024 2:56 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>> Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 8/13/2024 11:28 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 15:29:04 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then you need to discuss shit way beyond tax cuts. Because
>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> account for the bulk of the overall debt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you have a problem with debt and blame it on tax cuts,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not blaming tax cuts for the debt. I'm blaming spending (i.e.
>>>>>>>>> the shit way beyond tax cuts).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Blaming tax cuts for the debt is like blaming your credit card
>> debt
>>>>>>>>> on your employer because he doesn't pay you enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> why do you keep supporting the
>>>>>>>>>> very party that is making those tax cuts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because I kindd of like the idea of keeping the money I earn. I
>>>> need
>>>>>>>>> my money more than the govt needs my money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The tax cuts under Bush and Trump were the causes of deficit
>>>>>>>> spending.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's look at 2023, for example. The govt took in $4.5 trillion in
>>>>>>> revenue, yet spent $6.2 trillion. That nets a $1.7 trillion deficit
>>>>>>> for that year alone (dear Lord!).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trump's tax cuts were projected to cost $1.6 trillion over 10 years
>>>>>>> ($160 billion per year).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $1.7 trillion - $160 billion = $1.54 trillion deficit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clinton eliminated deficit spending.
>>>>>
>>>>> The debt went up under him.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Deficits and debts are two different
>>>> things. Why are you changing the subject?
>>>
>>> You're joking, right?
>>
>>
>> Just answer the question.
>
>I adhere to the principle that there's no such thing as a stupid
>question, just stupid people that ask questions.

Evasion noted. Answer the question.

#nevertrump
Where Fox news gets its talking points.
<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kKDhfmKu8Fo>

On 8/16/2024 9:36 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:09:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> It isn't changing the subject. The debt is the cumulative deficits.
>> Clinton's last 2 years had surpluses, but we had cumulative deficits
>> across his 8 years.
>
> You are incorrect. His surpluses minus his deficits equal a slight surplus.

For the total budget, yes. And hence debt held by the public went down.
But, the budget minus Social Security had a cumulative deficit and thus
the total debt went up.

On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 21:44:55 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 8/16/2024 9:36 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 12:09:31 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It isn't changing the subject. The debt is the cumulative deficits.
>>> Clinton's last 2 years had surpluses, but we had cumulative deficits
>>> across his 8 years.
>>
>> You are incorrect. His surpluses minus his deficits equal a slight surplus.
>
>For the total budget, yes. And hence debt held by the public went down.
>But, the budget minus Social Security had a cumulative deficit and thus
>the total debt went up.

In nominal dollars. As %GDP the debt actually went down.

#nevertrump

On 8/16/24 11:04 PM, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 08:42:03 -0400, Yak <yak@inbox.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not a one issue voter. I'm on record of being critical of both
>> democrat and gop spending.
>
> Then what are your top issues this year?

Clearly, it is to only blame democrats for every last penny of deficit
spending while looking the other way when republicans .. especially
Trump's $2T + $4T spending spree .. have done much worse.

FYI, let's also not forget Reagan's tax cuts too, for when one looks at
the fiscal balance sheet, that's when Federal deficits took off, as well
as the income inequity leading to the erosion of the US Middle Class,
under the guise of 'Trickle Down' supply side economics.

-hh