Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim. They didn't copy code. It's
>>>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied? An idea? It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>>>> ownership of something intangible. MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. It is not:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>>>> adjective
>>>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>>>> almost tangible.'
>>>>
>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>>>>
>>>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>>>
>>> Good!
>>>
>>> And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>
>> They never were in this case.
>
>You were present for this, were you?
>
>You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>protocols, etc....
>
>...you think that all was written down?
>
>You think that they just sat down and started coding?

Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-06 17:23, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's not a contradiction of my claim. They didn't copy code. It's
>>>>>>>>>>> unlikely DEC would prove anything infringing, in fact impossible.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not copying CODE doesn't mean not copying ANYTHING.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What, tangibly, was copied? An idea? It's a typical case of claiming
>>>>>>>>> ownership of something intangible. MS did settle but not *lose* the
>>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>> Code isn't tangible, you idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Uh, it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. It is not:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'tangible | ?tanj?b(?)l |
>>>>>> adjective
>>>>>> perceptible by touch: the atmosphere of neglect and abandonment was
>>>>>> almost tangible.'
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tangible
>>>>>
>>>>> 2: capable of being precisely identified or realized by the mind
>>>>
>>>> Good!
>>>>
>>>> And you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>
>>> They never were in this case.
>>
>> You were present for this, were you?
>>
>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>> protocols, etc....
>>
>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>
>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>
>
> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.

And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.

And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.

>

On 2025-01-06 17:37, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>
>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>
>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>
>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>
>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>
>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>
>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>
>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>
>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>
>
> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>

I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
copied almost verbatim.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>
>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>
>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>
>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>
>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>
>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>
>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>
>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>
>I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>copied almost verbatim.

And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-06 17:55, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>
>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>
>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>
>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>
>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>> copied almost verbatim.
>
>
> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
You're dragging the goalposts.

Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.

'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
terminology was copied verbatim.'

<https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>

'copied verbatim'

Got it yet? No?

Okay!

'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'

<https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>

That last one was authored by:

"Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>

But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
Windows NT.

LOL

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>
>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>
>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>
>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>
>> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
>You're dragging the goalposts.
>
>Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>
>'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>terminology was copied verbatim.'
>
><https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>
>'copied verbatim'
>
>Got it yet? No?
>
>Okay!
>
>'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>
><https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>
>That last one was authored by:
>
>"Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>
>But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>Windows NT.
>
>LOL

Russinovich is *God*, first of all. Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
Great programmer for all time. But he's not suggesting that actual
VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract. It's not
infringement.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-06 18:11, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>
>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>
>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>
>>> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>
>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>
>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>
>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>
>> 'copied verbatim'
>>
>> Got it yet? No?
>>
>> Okay!
>>
>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>
>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>
>> That last one was authored by:
>>
>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>
>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>> Windows NT.
>>
>> LOL
>
>
> Russinovich is *God*, first of all. Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
> Great programmer for all time. But he's not suggesting that actual
> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract. It's not
> infringement.

But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.

You claimed that nothing was "copied".

The IDEAS were copied.

VERBATIM.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>
>>>> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>
>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>
>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>
>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>
>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>
>>> Okay!
>>>
>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>
>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>
>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>
>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>
>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>> Windows NT.
>>>
>>> LOL
>>
>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all. Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>> Great programmer for all time. But he's not suggesting that actual
>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract. It's not
>> infringement.
>
>But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>
>You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>
>The IDEAS were copied.
>
>VERBATIM.

How would infringement not be the threshold? Software patenting is
discredited. DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
off their back.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2025-01-06 19:08, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>>
>>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>>
>>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>>
>>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>>
>>>> Okay!
>>>>
>>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>>
>>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>>
>>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>>> Windows NT.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all. Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>>> Great programmer for all time. But he's not suggesting that actual
>>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract. It's not
>>> infringement.
>>
>> But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>>
>> You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>>
>> The IDEAS were copied.
>>
>> VERBATIM.
>
>
> How would infringement not be the threshold? Software patenting is
> discredited. DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
> off their back.
Because a legal standard isn't the measure of whether or not something
was copied.

Windows NT copied the design and architecture of VMS.

Period.

On 1/6/2025 7:08 PM, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're claiming that architectures and designs and protocols can't
>>>>>>>>>>>> be "precisely identifed"?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They never were in this case.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You were present for this, were you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that the architecture--the data structures, the communication
>>>>>>>>>> protocols, etc....
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...you think that all was written down?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You think that they just sat down and started coding?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cutler knew how to approach the project, it's simple, it resembled
>>>>>>>>> what he'd done before, but that's not *copying* in an IP context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, Microsoft paid $100 MILLION dollars to avoid a lawsuit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And many people have described all the ways that NT copied VMS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wanted the suit to go away, they settled, it's not capitulation
>>>>>>> to the suit's real claim, they could've defeated that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I provided you with a source that says that structures from VMS were
>>>>>> copied almost verbatim.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is infringement? We can copyright abstract layouts?
>>>> You're dragging the goalposts.
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not it is "infringment", it was COPYING.
>>>>
>>>> 'The similarities between VMS and NT are striking. The VMS Interrupt
>>>> Priority Level became the Interrupt Request Level in NT, the
>>>> Asynchronous System Trap became the Asynchronous Procedure Call, a Fork
>>>> Procedure became the Deferred Procedure Call, while some other
>>>> terminology was copied verbatim.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.abortretry.fail/p/the-history-of-windows-nt-31>
>>>>
>>>> 'copied verbatim'
>>>>
>>>> Got it yet? No?
>>>>
>>>> Okay!
>>>>
>>>> 'Those similarities could fill a book. In fact, you can read sections of
>>>> VAX/VMS Internals and Data Structures (Digital Press) as an accurate
>>>> description of NT internals simply by translating VMS terms to NT terms.
>>>> Table 1 lists a few VMS terms and their NT translations.'
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.itprotoday.com/server-virtualization/windows-nt-and-vms-the-rest-of-the-story>
>>>>
>>>> That last one was authored by:
>>>>
>>>> "Mark Eugene Russinovich (born December 22, 1966) is a Spanish-born
>>>> American software engineer and author who serves as CTO of Microsoft Azure."
>>>>
>>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Russinovich>
>>>>
>>>> But what would the guy who wrote a product to "manage, diagnose,
>>>> troubleshoot, and monitor a Microsoft Windows environment." know about
>>>> Windows NT.
>>>>
>>>> LOL
>>>
>>> Russinovich is *God*, first of all. Hail him, like Linus and Richard.
>>> Great programmer for all time. But he's not suggesting that actual
>>> VMS code was "copied" by MS, it's ideas, more abstract. It's not
>>> infringement.
>>
>> But the threshold was NEVER infringement, dickhead.
>>
>> You claimed that nothing was "copied".
>>
>> The IDEAS were copied.
>>
>> VERBATIM.
>
>
> How would infringement not be the threshold? Software patenting is
> discredited. DEC was just flaunting legal muscle, MS wisely got them
> off their back.

What about DECWindows? Was DEC robbed twice?