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Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: Chris
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Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2024 06:36 UTC
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From: ithinkiam@gmail.com (Chris)
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Subject: Re: did this group die?
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Andrews <andrews@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Fri, 8 Nov 2024 17:43:09 +0000 :
>
>> I corrected you in that the "RNA ball" is not huge. Viruses have tiny
>> genomes. RNA viruses are smaller than DNA viruses, which are smaller
>> than bacterial genomes, which are smaller than eukaryotic (like plants
>> and mammals) genomes.
>
> The fact remains that you ridiculed the use of "vehicle" in immunology,

Not a fact.

> and
> you claimed that a RNA viral genome of the SARS-COV-2 size was smaller in
> comparison to other viruses.

Also not what I said. It's sad you have to lie.

> Both are preposterous statements by you.
>
> I don't care that you make absurd assessments, Chris. The fact you do that
> simply proves me right when I assess all you Apple trolls as uneducated.
>
>>
>> Even this paper on viruses says so.
>> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4093846/
>
> I've always wondered if you Apple trolls even *read* your own cites, Chris.
>
> That paper says *exactly* what I have been saying all along, and which you
> had said was wrong - and yet - that paper shows *exactly* what I said.
>
> This is a direct quote about RNA viral genomes from that very paper, Chris.
>
> "viruses exhibit a wide diversity of genome sizes. RNA viruses
> possess genomes that are universally small, ranging from 1,682
> nucleotides (nt) (hepatitis delta virus [Deltavirus]) to 31,526
> nt (murine hepatitis virus [Coronaviridae])."
>
> Clue by four: 30K subunits is big for an RNA viral particle, Chris.
> Very big.

Read the quote again: "RNA viruses posses genomes that are *universally
small*". You don't even read your own *quotes*. lol.

30,000 nt is tiny compared to 4,000,000 nt for E. coli or 3,200,000,000 nt
for human. And of course the human genome is double-stranded and diploid so
every call has 12.8G nt - excluding red blood cells which are anuclear. 30k
is basically a rounding error.

> The fact you don't understand the paper is consistent with all the Apple
> trolls never understanding anything slightly complex - you prove me right.

Given you're the one who doesn't even understand his own quotes. It's clear
who's the troll.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: RoadRacer
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On 2024-11-08 21:25, Andrews wrote:
> Your Name wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 18:17:17 +1300 :
>
>>> AMC Pacer with moon caps. Suits him to a T.
>>
>> A toddler's pedal car would probably be a better match. ;-)
>
> Notice how embarrassed these ignorant Apple trolls are that someone
> actually knows something about cars (in this case, bimmers) that they
> themselves can't possibly know (because they lack a normal IQ).
>
> Alan Baker, who professes to *race* cars doesn't even know what a catenary
> is, when it's one of the most critically important terms in physics when it
> comes to *understanding* curved shapes and how they sweep over distance).

I know exactly what a catenary is.

>
> Alan Baker, who professes to own a BMW, doesn't even know what the term
> "bimmer" means - and worse - since it was a racing term derived after
> "beemer" was - he's completely ignorant of what EVERYONE else long knew.

I do own a BMW...

....but I race a Van Diemen.

<https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/19bcmcwANrxaHzebNKWGu2V-lvQgTtCl-?usp=share_link>

I don't care who uses the the term "bimmer" or "beemer".

I'm about the actual driving.

:-)

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: *Hemidactylus*
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Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip useless trolling]
>
> 30,000 nt is tiny compared to 4,000,000 nt for E. coli or 3,200,000,000 nt
> for human. And of course the human genome is double-stranded and diploid so
> every call has 12.8G nt - excluding red blood cells which are anuclear. 30k
> is basically a rounding error.
>
Including polyploid hepatocytes?
>
[snip useless trolling]
>
> Given you're the one who doesn't even understand his own quotes. It's clear
> who's the troll.
>
The troll has tiny man ego syndrome. Note how he feigns greater knowledge
in any endeavor anyone else brings up whether mobile computing, BMWs or
immunology. For the last one knowing about SHM is key.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: John Hill
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From: yclept@outlook.com (John Hill)
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Andrews <andrews@spam.net> wrote:
> John Hill wrote on Tue, 5 Nov 2024 19:56:47 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> In actual fact, I have a BA and a DPhil in Physics at Oxford. (That is the
>> Oxford equivalent of PhD at most universities).
>
> OK. Then let's take that as prima facie evidence that you claim to have a
> doctorate in Physics, which means you're familiar with Newton, right?
>
> Even Newton said a priori that its action at a distance was preposterous,
> but it was the best he could propose until Einstein enlightened all of us.
>
> What did Einstein postulate is the true source of what we call gravity?
>
> HINT: Veritasium explains it reasonably well for the hoi polloi.
> *How Gravity Actually Works*
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRr1kaXKBsU>
>
> *Why Gravity is NOT a Force*
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/veritasium/videos/why-gravity-is-not-a-force/1041664880521597/>
>

https://www.iop.org/events/exploring-end-dark-ages

It would seem that I am not alone in believing that gravity exists.

I wouldn’t have bothered, but this turns up in an Institute of Physics
email that dropped into my inbox this morning. I decided that it was too
opportune to waste.

And so, farewell. May you live long and die happy!

Old John.

--
The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on: nor all thy Piety nor Wit
Shall lure it back to cancel half a Line,
Nor all thy Tears wash out a Word of it.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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Andrews wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 05:25:08 -0000 (UTC) :

> Alan Baker, who professes to own a BMW, doesn't even know what the term
> "bimmer" means - and worse - since it was a racing term derived after
> "beemer" was - he's completely ignorant of what EVERYONE else long knew.
>
> Everyone makes fun of the noobs who don't know these things.

The main point here with the beemer/bimmer references is the only thing
noobs about BMWs know is the (brilliant) marketing propaganda fed to them.

They don't actually know *anything* about bimmers if they don't know what a
CCV is, or a DISA valve, or how the Behr expansion tank works, etc.

They know *nothing* about bimmers - except what's fed to them by marketing.
Do you see my point?

These Apple trolls know *nothing* about the Apple product line.
They only know what Apple feeds them.

It's in there DNA to not understand anything whatsoever about anything.

All Apple trolls (e.g., Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

Which they then defend to the death, no matter what.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: Andrews
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From: andrews@spam.net (Andrews)
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*Hemidactylus* wrote on Sat, 09 Nov 2024 10:42:54 +0000 :

>> Given you're the one who doesn't even understand his own quotes. It's clear
>> who's the troll.
>>
> The troll has tiny man ego syndrome. Note how he feigns greater knowledge
> in any endeavor anyone else brings up whether mobile computing, BMWs or
> immunology. For the last one knowing about SHM is key.

No. You Apple trolls understand nothing, not even basic sentences.

I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer and a
beemer and because of that, I know a *lot* about those two vehicles.

And yet, you Apple trolls who own a bimmer know *nothing* about them.
All you Apple trolls who own a bimmer know is what BMW MARKETING fed you.

That's my point.

It's not that I have "greater knowledge"; it's I have "normal" knowledge.
Everyone (but you) knows what I know about bimmers for example.

You Apple trolls don't even know Apple has the worst (by far!) customer
support in the industry for example - you have no clue that's just a fact.

You Apple trolls don't know anything. About anything.
Least of all about Apple products.

All you Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

Which you then defend to the death, no matter what.

Because your whole life you've been told you are stupid and yet Apple tells
you that you're a genius for waiting outside the store in long lines.

And you believe it.
Because Apple feeds your ego.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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John Hill wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 12:51:55 -0000 (UTC) :

> It would seem that I am not alone in believing that gravity exists.

The fact that you don't even understand the difference between existing,
and being a force shows that you are merely an imposter who knows nothing.

An example is an iPhone exists - but it's not a force.

The fact you can't separate existing from being a force tells me everything
I need to know about you - you're just another piece of Apple trolling
excrement who lies about everything - as you don't know physics at all.

The fact remains, Einstein's hypothesis is that gravity is not a force.
Everyone knows this.

Well, everyone but you Apple trolls knows this.
As it's one of the most basic tenets of all physics.

Even I know it.
And I know nothing about physics other than what I learned in school.

My point is you Apple trolls don't know anything. About anything.
Least of all about Apple products.

All you Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

Which you then defend to the death, no matter what.

Because your whole life you've been told you are stupid and yet Apple tells
you that you're a genius for waiting outside their store in long lines.

And you believe it.
Because Apple feeds your ego.

That's why you hate anyone who posts the truth about Apple products here.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: sticks
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On 11/9/2024 8:37 AM, Andrews wrote:
> John Hill wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 12:51:55 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> It would seem that I am not alone in believing that gravity exists.
>
> The fact that you don't even understand the difference between existing,
> and being a force shows that you are merely an imposter who knows nothing.
>
> An example is an iPhone exists - but it's not a force.
>
> The fact you can't separate existing from being a force tells me everything
> I need to know about you - you're just another piece of Apple trolling
> excrement who lies about everything - as you don't know physics at all.
>
> The fact remains, Einstein's hypothesis is that gravity is not a force.
> Everyone knows this.
>
> Well, everyone but you Apple trolls knows this.
> As it's one of the most basic tenets of all physics.
>
> Even I know it.
> And I know nothing about physics other than what I learned in school.
>
> My point is you Apple trolls don't know anything. About anything.
> Least of all about Apple products.
>
> All you Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.
>
> Which you then defend to the death, no matter what.
>
> Because your whole life you've been told you are stupid and yet Apple tells
> you that you're a genius for waiting outside their store in long lines.
>
> And you believe it.
> Because Apple feeds your ego.
>
> That's why you hate anyone who posts the truth about Apple products here.

If you pick up the needle and move it past that spot you won't have to
hear the same thing over and over again.

--
I Stand With Israel!

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Andrews wrote:

>I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer
>and a beemer and because of that, I know a lot about those two
>vehicles.

I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
not like that's a long acronym.

I may have mentioned this once. My mother who is German made sure I
knew how to pronounce Audi correctly. She hated when people pronounced
it "au-di" and said it's pronounced "ow-di".

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip raving lunatic]
>
> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
> not like that's a long acronym.
>
> I may have mentioned this once. My mother who is German made sure I
> knew how to pronounce Audi correctly. She hated when people pronounced
> it "au-di" and said it's pronounced "ow-di".
>
Arlen is a pseudointellectual hack who introduces irrelevant asides into a
discussion to parade why he thinks he’s more knowledgable than his many
targets. Why else would anyone arbitrarily introduce Einstein into a
discussion besides an exercise in pseudointellectual pretense? Only
wackaloons do that.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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sticks wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 08:51:42 -0600 :

>> That's why you hate anyone who posts the truth about Apple products here.
>
> If you pick up the needle and move it past that spot you won't have to
> hear the same thing over and over again.

I have two purposes on this Apple newsgroup, one of which is to learn about
and disseminate information about the Apple product line & Apple strategy.

The other is to show in the public record for all to see what kind of
rather strangely unusual people you Apple trolls are. You're not normal.

As just one example, what kind of moron stands in line outside *any* store
just for the privilege of paying through the nose for substandard crap?

Only people like you Apple trolls do that, namely those like Lewis, Jolly
Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei
et. al) all of whom merely parrot Apple marketing in an echo chamber inside
their brains.

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badgolferman wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 15:05:28 -0000 (UTC) :

>>I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer
>>and a beemer and because of that, I know a lot about those two
>>vehicles.
>
> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
> not like that's a long acronym.
>
> I may have mentioned this once. My mother who is German made sure I
> knew how to pronounce Audi correctly. She hated when people pronounced
> it "au-di" and said it's pronounced "ow-di".

I'm of German descent and I've always known what a bimmer & beemer are,
badgolferman - but - I've owned both bimmers and beemers also.

If I own something, I then learn what I need to learn to know everything I
want to know about it. In the case of the beemer, my 525i happens to have a
CCV valve, which happens to clog up, which happens to make it fail
California emissions - which means - I have to learn how to replace it.

You will *never forget* a CCV replacement badgolferman. Never.
It's not possible to forget because you have to rip the engine bay apart.

When you replace the cooling system, you will *never forget* that the Behr
expansion tank is just about as complicated as they could have made it.

When you replace the thermostat & waterpump, you will *never forget* the
special 32mm tools you need just to spin off the radiator fan which has to
be removed before you can get the serpentine belt off.

To get the serpentine belt off, you will *never forget* how strongly and
strangely designed the belt tensioners are that you have to also deal with.

When you fail emissions again, you have to deal with the DISA valve, which
is an expensive plastic piece of garbage that is on the intake manifold.

When you adjust your (admittedly rather comfortable leather) driver seat,
you will *never forget* the adjusting cable slips out of its clasp because
eventually they all get "seat twist" which you then have to deal with.

Speaking of the interior, the cupholders are a joke but you have to
periodically replace them because they break on every single 525i owner.

The trunk loom is a disaster just waiting to happen, depending on which
wires chafe and then short out against the others, causing all sorts of
strange electrical problems which are almost impossible to diagnose.

Speaking of impossible to diagnose, when the ABS control module goes out,
and it will because it fails on everyone - when you take it apart, you'll
be appalled at the "angel hairs" inside which simply break off at the weld.

All this - and more - is what will be inescapable to any bimmer owner who
owned the particular model that I owned since these problems are universal.

Those are just facts - but the *assessment* of those facts is my simple
summary that BMW does not know how to make systems work together.

Since *none* of those issues was in the drive train or suspension, I will
say that BMW makes those two systems work beautifully together.

Do you see what I'm trying to impart - which has nothing per se to do with
BMW but to do with *understanding* things that a normal person should do.

I (think I) understand how BMW thinks about the design of vehicles.
a. The drive train & suspension are what BMW cares about
b. Not anything else

Back to your question, it's a running joke among *all* BMW aficionados that
the noobs always come into the web site (such as bimmerfest.com) always
trying to tell us how much they know about their vehicle.

The instant they use the word beemer for a car, for example, we know
they're completely clueless morons who are posers like Alan Baker is.

If someone doesn't even know a beemer from a bimmer, they know nothing
about BMW vehicles as only the posers confuse the two critically important
terms (for most of us who own both - and I know you own a motorcycle too).

If a person tells you that you "drive" that big heavy Honda you own, you
would also instantly ascertain they know absolutely nothing about bikes.

Am I right?

The point here is the Apple trolls know nothing about Apple products.
In fact, the Apple trolls know nothing about anything.
They're all Dunning Kruger left of the first quartile on Mount Stupid.
You know this. I know this. Everyone knows this.

But those trolls themselves are who think they're geniuses for standing in
long lines outside the Apple store waiting along with other likewise Apple
geniuses to pay through the nose for a substandard product line from Apple.

All the Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

They don't actually know *anything* about the Apple products they love.
Just like none of them know anything about BMWs (the bikes or the cars).

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Andrews wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 17:23:15 -0000 (UTC) :

> In the case of the beemer

oops. bimmer. :)

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On 2024-11-09 09:23, Andrews wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 15:05:28 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer
>>> and a beemer and because of that, I know a lot about those two
>>> vehicles.
>>
>> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
>> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
>> not like that's a long acronym.
>>
>> I may have mentioned this once. My mother who is German made sure I
>> knew how to pronounce Audi correctly. She hated when people pronounced
>> it "au-di" and said it's pronounced "ow-di".
>
> I'm of German descent and I've always known what a bimmer & beemer are,
> badgolferman - but - I've owned both bimmers and beemers also.
>
> If I own something, I then learn what I need to learn to know everything I
> want to know about it. In the case of the beemer, my 525i happens to have a
> CCV valve, which happens to clog up, which happens to make it fail
> California emissions - which means - I have to learn how to replace it.

You incredible simpleton:

Every engine is REQUIRED to have a crank case ventilation system.

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*Hemidactylus* wrote on Sat, 09 Nov 2024 16:51:27 +0000 :

>> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
>> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
>> not like that's a long acronym.
>>
> Arlen is a pseudointellectual hack who introduces irrelevant asides into a
> discussion to parade why he thinks he's more knowledgable than his many
> targets. Why else would anyone arbitrarily introduce Einstein into a
> discussion besides an exercise in pseudointellectual pretense? Only
> wackaloons do that.

What's interesting is the Apple trolls like Hemidactylus, who know nothing
about anything, instantly assume that terms are for "pseudointellectuals".

Notice that normal people (like badgolferman) simply ask why all BMW
aficionados use these specific terms, while the hoi polloi don't know them.

Yet these Apple trolls, who, of course, don't know BMW terms & yet they
claim to own BMWs, call anyone who knows anything, a "pseudointellectual".

Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually refer to
as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms "ride" & "drive".

If someone walks up to him saying "I know everything about Goldwings
because I drive one myself", badgolferman would know he is a poser.

This is relevant because all th Apple trolls are posers.
They're all on Mount Stupid to the left of the 1st Dunning-Kruger quadrile.

Which is why it was important to destroy the poser who claimed to be a
physicist and yet he didn't even realize gravity is not a force.

Likewise with Alan Baker who claims to "teach racing" and yet Alan has no
idea whatsoever of what a catenary is - which is a common term for curves.

Similarly with Jolly Roger who claims that Apple fully supports older
releases when the fact is even Apple says they have never ever done that.

Same with Chris who claims to own a doctorate in the medical sciences and
yet he ridicules common immunology terms like "vehicle" which everyone
learns in their very first class in immunology or his claim that an RNA
genome of 30K subunits is tiny - when in fact - it's HUGE for RNA virions.

My main point is that all these Apple trolls are posers.

All the Apple trolls (Lewis, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei et. al) merely parrot Apple marketing.

They don't actually know *anything* about the Apple products they love.

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Andrews wrote:

>Yet these Apple trolls, who, of course, don't know BMW terms & yet
>they claim to own BMWs, call anyone who knows anything, a
>"pseudointellectual".
>
>Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually
>refer to as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms
>"ride" & "drive".
>
>If someone walks up to him saying "I know everything about Goldwings
>because I drive one myself", badgolferman would know he is a poser.

Speaking of Goldwings, when I first got mine I noticed on various
websites the spelling alternated between Goldwing, Gold Wing, and
GL1800. Of course GL1800 is the official model of the motorcycle, and
mine is a 2002 GL1800A which denotes one with ABS.

I asked the guy who sold it to me whether it was a Goldwing or Gold
Wing and he told me Goldwing. He referred me to the manual and the
trim pieces on the bike which say Goldwing. I have seen the Honda
website which says Gold Wing, but frankly I think that was designed or
edited by someone who doesn't know the history of the motorcycle. I
don't really know, other than what the LCD display, manual and placard
on my bike say -- Goldwing.

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On 2024-11-09 09:43, Andrews wrote:
> *Hemidactylus* wrote on Sat, 09 Nov 2024 16:51:27 +0000 :
>
>>> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
>>> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
>>> not like that's a long acronym.
>>>
>> Arlen is a pseudointellectual hack who introduces irrelevant asides into a
>> discussion to parade why he thinks he's more knowledgable than his many
>> targets. Why else would anyone arbitrarily introduce Einstein into a
>> discussion besides an exercise in pseudointellectual pretense? Only
>> wackaloons do that.
>
> What's interesting is the Apple trolls like Hemidactylus, who know nothing
> about anything, instantly assume that terms are for "pseudointellectuals".
>
> Notice that normal people (like badgolferman) simply ask why all BMW
> aficionados use these specific terms, while the hoi polloi don't know them.

I would wager large that most BMW aficionados have never heard most of
the terms you've used.

>
> Yet these Apple trolls, who, of course, don't know BMW terms & yet they
> claim to own BMWs, call anyone who knows anything, a "pseudointellectual".
>
> Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually refer to
> as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms "ride" & "drive".

Honda doesn't, do they?

<https://powersports.honda.com/motorcycle/touring/gold-wing>

>
> If someone walks up to him saying "I know everything about Goldwings
> because I drive one myself", badgolferman would know he is a poser.
>
> This is relevant because all th Apple trolls are posers.
> They're all on Mount Stupid to the left of the 1st Dunning-Kruger quadrile.
>
> Which is why it was important to destroy the poser who claimed to be a
> physicist and yet he didn't even realize gravity is not a force.
>
> Likewise with Alan Baker who claims to "teach racing" and yet Alan has no
> idea whatsoever of what a catenary is - which is a common term for curves.

I know exactly what a catenary is and I also know that it is not a
"common term for curves" in general, but rather a very specific term for
the curve created by a rope (or chain) supported at both ends and pulled
downward by gravity under it's own weight.

I also know that that it has never been mentioned as the curve a racing
car follows when going through a corner in any of the numerous books I
have read on the subject.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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On 11/9/2024 11:23 AM, Andrews wrote:
> sticks wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 08:51:42 -0600 :
>
>>> That's why you hate anyone who posts the truth about Apple products here.
>>
>> If you pick up the needle and move it past that spot you won't have to
>> hear the same thing over and over again.
>
> I have two purposes on this Apple newsgroup, one of which is to learn about
> and disseminate information about the Apple product line & Apple strategy.
>
> The other is to show in the public record for all to see what kind of
> rather strangely unusual people you Apple trolls are. You're not normal.

I could of told you that, Arlen. I'm special. Wanna see my trophy?

> As just one example, what kind of moron stands in line outside *any* store
> just for the privilege of paying through the nose for substandard crap?

Hard to say. I don't know anyone who's done that.

> Only people like you Apple trolls do that, namely those like Lewis, Jolly
> Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, JF Mezei
> et. al) all of whom merely parrot Apple marketing in an echo chamber inside
> their brains.

The world will be a better place when everyone gets back to filtering
you and just letting you and your golfing buddy rage on!

--
I Stand With Israel!

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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On 2024-11-09 07:05, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrews wrote:
>
>> I never claimed to be a BMW expert - I simply claimed to own a bimmer
>> and a beemer and because of that, I know a lot about those two
>> vehicles.
>
> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
> not like that's a long acronym.

I'll explain:

Arlen tried to make a meal out of the fact that I own a BMW (2012 135i M
Sport Edition in Lemans Blue to be precise) and didn't know
that--according to him--one of those terms is use to refer to BMW
motorcycles and the other for BMW cars.

And from that he tried to claim that:

1. I couldn't possibly own one.

2. That I could possibly be a racing driver and road racing instructor.

:-)

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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Andrews wrote:

>You will *never forget* a CCV replacement badgolferman. Never.
>It's not possible to forget because you have to rip the engine bay
>apart.
>
>When you replace the cooling system, you will *never forget* that the
>Behr expansion tank is just about as complicated as they could have
>made it.
>
>When you replace the thermostat & waterpump, you will *never forget*
>the special 32mm tools you need just to spin off the radiator fan
>which has to be removed before you can get the serpentine belt off.
>
>To get the serpentine belt off, you will *never forget* how strongly
>and strangely designed the belt tensioners are that you have to also
>deal with.
>
>When you fail emissions again, you have to deal with the DISA valve,
>which is an expensive plastic piece of garbage that is on the intake
>manifold.
>
>When you adjust your (admittedly rather comfortable leather) driver
>seat, you will *never forget* the adjusting cable slips out of its
>clasp because eventually they all get "seat twist" which you then
>have to deal with.

What you describe reminds me of the air filter replacement on my
Goldwing. The joke is the designers started with an air filter and
built the entire bike around it.

An air filter is a routine maintenance item which Honda recommends
replacing every 12K miles. You would think if a routine maintenance
item should be replaced that frequently there would be easy access to
it, like a latched door or something similar. But no, Honda buried the
air filter so deep into the middle of the bike that it requires the
entire dash, center fairings, ECU, and a hundred connectors removed
before you can access the air box. The dealer charged me $350 to
replace it last year. Hardly anyone will tackle this task, knowing the
extent which the bike has to be torn down. As a result air filters on
Goldwings rarely get replaced. At the time my bike had 100K miles and
I didn't know if it had ever been done so I took it in for that and
some other things.

On the flip side though, taking the rear wheel off is fairly easy.
Much like a car tire because it's shaft driven rather than chain or
belt driven. Even a lift isn't required because there's a rear access
panel which allows you to slide the wheel out. If only they had built
in an access panel for the air filter...

--
"The word "genius" isn't applicable in football. A genius is a guy
like Norman Einstein." ~ Joe Theismann

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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-09 07:05, badgolferman wrote:
>>
[snip troll]
>>
>> I'm ignorant as to the difference between a "bimmer" and a "beemer" so
>> maybe you can explain it to me. Why don't people just say BMW? It's
>> not like that's a long acronym.
>
> I'll explain:
>
> Arlen tried to make a meal out of the fact that I own a BMW (2012 135i M
> Sport Edition in Lemans Blue to be precise) and didn't know
> that--according to him--one of those terms is use to refer to BMW
> motorcycles and the other for BMW cars.
>
> And from that he tried to claim that:
>
> 1. I couldn't possibly own one.
>
> 2. That I could possibly be a racing driver and road racing instructor.
>
> :-)
>
Making an epistemic point here it is often the case those who have a
knowledgable grounding in various topics exhibit some humility toward such
topics. Those lacking a modicum of knowledge are quite braggadocious. Arlen
obviously exhibits a pathological conceit of knowledge most anyone can
recognize on the spot, except himself. Arlen lacks reflective
self-awareness and the result is what we witness on a daily basis on
usenet.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
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RoadRacer wrote:

>>Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually
>>refer to as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms
>>"ride" & "drive".
>
>Honda doesn't, do they?
>
><https://powersports.honda.com/motorcycle/touring/gold-wing>

Umm...

https://ibb.co/9V0zXVj
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Subject: Re: did this group die?
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On 2024-11-09 10:42, badgolferman wrote:
> RoadRacer wrote:
>
>>> Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't usually
>>> refer to as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows the terms
>>> "ride" & "drive".
>>
>> Honda doesn't, do they?
>>
>> <https://powersports.honda.com/motorcycle/touring/gold-wing>
>
>
>
> Umm...
>
> https://ibb.co/9V0zXVj
> https://ibb.co/XLSFWBh
> https://ibb.co/NxDGSht
> https://ibb.co/sRxQXBf

Yes.

That was MY POINT.

Learn to read for comprehension.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: badgolferman
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From: REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com (badgolferman)
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Subject: Re: did this group die?
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Alan wrote:

>On 2024-11-09 10:42, badgolferman wrote:
>>RoadRacer wrote:
>>
>>>>Since badgolferman rides a Gold Wing (which Honda doesn't
>>>>usually refer to as a "Goldwing" but many people do), he knows
>>>>the terms "ride" & "drive".
>>>
>>>Honda doesn't, do they?
>>>
>>><https://powersports.honda.com/motorcycle/touring/gold-wing>
>>
>>
>>
>>Umm...
>>
>>https://ibb.co/9V0zXVj
>>https://ibb.co/XLSFWBh
>>https://ibb.co/NxDGSht
>>https://ibb.co/sRxQXBf
>
>Yes.
>
>That was MY POINT.
>
>Learn to read for comprehension.

You made no point. You provided a link to the Honda website showing it
say Gold Wing. Be more clear when communicating with other people.
Right now the only point I see is the one on top of your head.

Subject: Re: did this group die?
From: Andrews
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sticks wrote on Sat, 9 Nov 2024 12:15:11 -0600 :

> Wanna see my trophy?

Notice how the Apple trolls act like kindergarten kids when faced with
backing up their absurd point of view when defending Apple to the death.

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