On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:39:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> If someone doesn't use Linux how is anything you say relevant to
> them? iPhones are the real world for many people who use neither Linux nor
> its offshoot Android.
>
> Next you will be telling us about Dunning Kruger or beemers vs bimmers .

For you Apple religious nutjobs to claim that Linux doesn't exist is no
different than ISIS religious nutjobs claiming no other religion exists.

You Apple religious nutjobs live in a fantasy world of the walled garden.

On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 22:20:27 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

> I made no excuses. I, in fact, acknowledged that the things you say you
> want to do can't be done on ios.

I have plenty of iOS and Android devices right in front of me.
You don't.

When you explain your method of copying a full MKV/AVI/MP4 movie from
Windows to the iOS device over USB & then to play it, I'll try it.

And you know that I will prove that I did.
Then I'll compare your suggested method to how we do it with Android.

When I connect any iOS device to Windows over USB, the only thing you can
do is copy the DCIM photos (which are using Neanderthal photo naming
conventions by the way - please see the badgolferman thread on that).

And you can only copy them one way.
From the iOS device to the Windows PC.

You tell me how you'd copy a full MKV/AVI/MP4 movie to the iOS device.
I'll try it.

Notice you won't do that.
Because you actually do know that iOS doesn't work in the real world.

On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:41:41 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> I type quite a few documents into Pages though.

I have plenty of iOS and Android devices right in front of me.
You don't.

When you explain your method of copying a full MKV/AVI/MP4 movie from
Windows to the iOS device over USB, I'll compare it to how I do it with
Android.

When I connect any iOS device to Windows over USB, the only thing you can
do is copy the DCIM photos (which are using Neanderthal photo naming
conventions by the way - please see the badgolferman thread on that).

And you can only copy them one way.
From the iOS device to the Windows PC.

You tell me how you'd copy a full MKV/AVI/MP4 movie to the iOS device.
I'll try it.

Notice you won't do that.
Because you actually do know that iOS doesn't work in the real world.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :
>
>>>> However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
>>>> departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
>>>> graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else as
>>>> they don't like change.
>>>
>>> Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
>>
>> Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up oozing
>> out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide them.
>
> And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
>
> It's interesting that I said the correct statistical data about the use of
> Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office in the corporate environment, and in
> the use of Linux (almost always Redhat due to the corporate support) in the
> engineering world and Chris called me a Neanderthal for stating those
> facts.

I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
incorrect "facts".

> It doesn't matter that everyone knows those facts, as simply stating them
> causes you Apple nutcases to call all truths about Apple to be trolls.
>

Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 19:39:14 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>
>> If someone doesn't use Linux how is anything you say relevant to
>> them? iPhones are the real world for many people who use neither Linux nor
>> its offshoot Android.
>>
>> Next you will be telling us about Dunning Kruger or beemers vs bimmers .
>
> For you Apple religious nutjobs to claim that Linux doesn't exist is no
> different than ISIS religious nutjobs claiming no other religion exists.
>
> You Apple religious nutjobs live in a fantasy world of the walled garden.
>
I never said Linux doesn’t exist Arlen. Typical troll behavior on your
part.

On 2024-04-30, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :
>>
>>>>> However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
>>>>> departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
>>>>> graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else
>>>>> as they don't like change.
>>>>
>>>> Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
>>>
>>> Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
>>> oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
>>> them.
>>
>> And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
>>
> I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
> incorrect "facts".

I'm sure that was just "locker room talk", which we are all supposed to
ignore. 😉

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Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 15:59:55 GMT :

> On 2024-04-30, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :
>>>
>>>>>> However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
>>>>>> departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
>>>>>> graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else
>>>>>> as they don't like change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
>>>>
>>>> Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
>>>> oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
>>>> them.
>>>
>>> And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
>>>
>> I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
>> incorrect "facts".
>
> I'm sure that was just "locker room talk", which we are all supposed to
> ignore.

Chris wrote:

> I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
> incorrect "facts".

I have worked in technology for longer than you probably are of age, and
the design teams in the MarComms groups are almost exclusively women.

In fact, I've never seen a male in any of the Marketing Communications
groups, but I'm sure they exist, just as women sometimes are power pole
linesmen climbing the poles and hoisting up transformers and the like.

In those Marketing Communications groups, they use Corel Draw and PhotoShop
on a Mac, and that's all they know and it's all they ever want to know.

While most engineers wouldn't touch the primitive Mac with a ten foot pole,
these drawing-related groups revel in their love of every Apple provides.

If you showed up with a Linux box and said they'd have to use it, they'd
drop dead of heart attacks one by one, the moment they had to type
something instead of pulling down a menu inside of those classic apps.

In the corporate world, those drawing-related Mac users are typically far
less educated than the far better educated engineers who are, as a result,
mostly on Linux and who mostly use Windows for Microsoft Office.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 15:59:55 GMT :
>
>> On 2024-04-30, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 30 Apr 2024 00:45:51 GMT :
>>>>
>>>>>>> However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing
>>>>>>> departments where the women (it's almost always women) who do the
>>>>>>> graphics learned on the mac and they can't switch to anything else
>>>>>>> as they don't like change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolls are bullies at heart, and their true colors always end up
>>>>> oozing out from behind their masks, despite their attempts to hide
>>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> And yet I stated the truth about Linux & Microsoft Windows/Office.
>>>>
>>> I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
>>> incorrect "facts".
>>
>> I'm sure that was just "locker room talk", which we are all supposed to
>> ignore.
>
> Chris wrote:
>
>> I called you a neanderthal for your misogynistic statements. Not your
>> incorrect "facts".
>
> I have worked in technology for longer than you probably are of age,

Yeah, I can tell.

> and
> the design teams in the MarComms groups are almost exclusively women.
>
> In fact, I've never seen a male in any of the Marketing Communications
> groups, but I'm sure they exist, just as women sometimes are power pole
> linesmen climbing the poles and hoisting up transformers and the like.

Ask yourself why that may be?

> In those Marketing Communications groups, they use Corel Draw and PhotoShop
> on a Mac, and that's all they know and it's all they ever want to know.

Why shouldn't they if it works and provides value to the business?

> While most engineers wouldn't touch the primitive Mac with a ten foot pole,

Primitive lol. Ask yourself why so many scientists use macs. Plus musicians
and film makers. Windows just doesn't cut it.

> these drawing-related groups revel in their love of every Apple provides.
>
> If you showed up with a Linux box and said they'd have to use it, they'd
> drop dead of heart attacks one by one, the moment they had to type
> something instead of pulling down a menu inside of those classic apps.

What professional level drawing and graphics applications exist on linux?

> In the corporate world, those drawing-related Mac users are typically far
> less educated than the far better educated engineers who are,

Your implication is misplaced and reflective of your bias to which I refer
to my earlier comment.

> as a result,
> mostly on Linux and who mostly use Windows for Microsoft Office.

On a mac you can do both on one system. That's why I shifted from linux +
windows.

Chris wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:45:45 -0000 (UTC) :

>> In those Marketing Communications groups, they use Corel Draw and PhotoShop
>> on a Mac, and that's all they know and it's all they ever want to know.
>
> Why shouldn't they if it works and provides value to the business?
>
>> While most engineers wouldn't touch the primitive Mac with a ten foot pole,
>
> Primitive lol. Ask yourself why so many scientists use macs. Plus musicians
> and film makers. Windows just doesn't cut it.
>
>> these drawing-related groups revel in their love of every Apple provides.
>>
>> If you showed up with a Linux box and said they'd have to use it, they'd
>> drop dead of heart attacks one by one, the moment they had to type
>> something instead of pulling down a menu inside of those classic apps.
>
> What professional level drawing and graphics applications exist on linux?
>
>> In the corporate world, those drawing-related Mac users are typically far
>> less educated than the far better educated engineers who are,
>
> Your implication is misplaced and reflective of your bias to which I refer
> to my earlier comment.
>
>> as a result,
>> mostly on Linux and who mostly use Windows for Microsoft Office.
>
> On a mac you can do both on one system. That's why I shifted from linux +
> windows.

I have to say I haven't used the mac for many years, but when I did, it was
atrocious in how limited it was. It was the Apple way or you failed.

Most people failed which is why Windows, as bad as it is, owns the lions
share of the market for corporate desktops.

Let's google whether or not that statement is true:
[https://www.google.com/search?q=corporate+desktop+market+share+macos+vs+windows]

First Google cite:
[https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7]
In 2024, Windows is 72 percent, Apple macOS is 15%.

There are good reasons that macOS doesn't serve the needs of most
corporations - otherwise the macOS share would have been higher.

It's the same reason that the iPhone has a very low market share.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=iphone+market+share+2024]
"Apple claimed a 17.3 percent share of the market in the first quarter of
2024, a decrease from the previous quarter. Apple's long time competitor,
Samsung, ranked first with a market share of 20.8 percent."

The main reason is Apple products only work well if every one of
your devices is an Apple product, which Tim Cook himself has said.
[https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/21/24107676/buy-your-mom-an-iphone]

The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Tue, 30 Apr 2024 20:45:45 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>> On a mac you can do both on one system. That's why I shifted from linux +
>> windows.
>
> I have to say I haven't used the mac for many years, but when I did, it was
> atrocious in how limited it was. It was the Apple way or you failed.

It's quite clear you are coming from a position of ignorance. Just because
you're not competent enough to adapt to a slightly different ecosystem
doesn't mean it is the problem.

> Most people failed which is why Windows, as bad as it is, owns the lions
> share of the market for corporate desktops.
>
> Let's google whether or not that statement is true:
> [https://www.google.com/search?q=corporate+desktop+market+share+macos+vs+windows]

Market share is only a fragment of the whole picture. Apple never targeted
the corporate unlike MS illegally did.

Windows is cheap and cheerful which is perfect for corporate keyboard
warriors.

Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.

macOS is also a unix machine, hence why it's liked by scientists and
software engineers who have seen the light. All the benefits of linux are
present.

> The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.

False.

On 2024-04-29 17:59, Chris wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:54 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>>> Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
>>>>
>>>> Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
>>>> attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
>>>>
>>>> Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe
>>>> creative s/w, etc.).
>>>
>>> Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just
>>> didn't cut it in a work environment.
>>
>> In the work environment, almost everyone uses Microsoft Office nowadays.
>
> Exactly why I moved to macOS. Best of all worlds. A real unix and standard
> office productivity apps. I can hack away on a shell script and prepare a
> ppt presentation at the same time.

When I decided to quit Windows (ca 2006) I tries Linux as my home
computer for near a month. It was clearly unworkable in "the real
world" where using it with other people was concerned. Installing and
configuring s/w in those days was also a bit more painful than today.

OpenOffice (in those days) was okay, but importing/exporting Word and
Excel was a chore and a lot of formatting data (esp. Excel) was mangled
in the process.

>
>> Extremely few corporations use macOS as almost all use Microsoft Windows.
>
> Yeah many stick to the lowest common denominator. Cheap and cheerful.

Also low training cost - most everyone knows Windows ... I hardly use it
but when I'm forced to, no matter what the wrappings, the foundation
crap never changes.

>
>> However, some do use macOS, but usually only in the marketing departments
>> where the women (it's almost always women) who do the graphics learned on
>> the mac and they can't switch to anything else as they don't like change.
>
> Lol. You're funny for neanderthal.

That's pretty insulting to neanderthals.

>
>> As for engineers, almost all are on Linux (although many are dual boot with
>> Windows which, in effect, gives them the best of both worlds on one PC).

This is a laughably stupid statement it makes. Many engineering tools,
esp. CAE/CAD are Windows based and corporate strictures make Windows the
enterprise wide OS of choice.

>
> In which industry? I think you'll find that many engineering tools are
> windows only.
>
>> Extremely few engineers would want to be caught dead on macOS, but some
>> exist (mostly those who are like the marketing communications people).

It makes another generalized and false statement.

>
> Who cares about engineers. Scientists often prefer macs. Watch any recent
> documentary about astrophysics or high energy physics and you'll see many
> macs on display. Same in other informatics fields like genomics although
> not so much in computer science.

I know a lot of engineers who are Mac based - usually they use both Macs
and PC (Windows). The only ones who are Linux bound are software
engineers writing for Linux environments - and even then it's more for
embedded products and not for desktop.

Where they have embedded products needing a human interface, it is via
webpages - so it doesn't matter what OS is accessing the device itself.

--
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nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.

Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 07:36:54 -0000 (UTC) :

> Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
> targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
> Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.

Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked (admittedly long
ago), whereas Android profits are far lower than that.

Why?
Because Apple Marketing is one of the best on earth, perhaps even better
than Big Tobacco and Big Soda marketing (which themselves are excellent).

Apple has no qualms about telling "The Big Lie" (and, as proof, look at the
plethora of expensive lawsuits Apple lost for spewing all those lies).

So the real reason Apple products are expensive is Apple Marketing has
convinced the gullible uneducated technically inferior people that it's
better (and those technically clueless people don't know any better).

I suspect the reason you don't know how technically inferior Apple products
are is that you are clueless yourself about Android. Am I right?

> macOS is also a unix machine, hence why it's liked by scientists and
> software engineers who have seen the light. All the benefits of linux are
> present.

I could say the same thing about Android which is just as much a Linux box.
Bear in mind I probably have and use more Apple mobile devices than you do.

>
>> The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.
>
> False.

I probably have right in front of me more iPads & iPhones than you do.

Your own statements prove you're technically clueless about Android's
capability to work when the Apple devices fail due to the walled garden.

Before you respond that you think I am clueless about iOS not working
outside the walled garden, take a look at these three representative
screenshots I made for badgolferman's photo-file-naming thread.

https://i.postimg.cc/RVdVKS8q/Apple-Ipad.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg

Since you are technically clueless about how utterly debilitating the
walled garden is, allow me to ask you the simplest of all questions.

Q: What can you do when you plug those iPhones & iPads into Windows?
versus
Q: What can you do when you plug those Android devices into Windows?

On 2024-05-01 08:33, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 07:36:54 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
>> targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
>> Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.
>
> Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked (admittedly long
> ago), whereas Android profits are far lower than that.

How did you "check" that, exactly?

>
> Why?
> Because Apple Marketing is one of the best on earth, perhaps even better
> than Big Tobacco and Big Soda marketing (which themselves are excellent).
>
> Apple has no qualms about telling "The Big Lie" (and, as proof, look at the
> plethora of expensive lawsuits Apple lost for spewing all those lies).

Apple hasn't lost any lawsuits of consequence.

>
> So the real reason Apple products are expensive is Apple Marketing has
> convinced the gullible uneducated technically inferior people that it's
> better (and those technically clueless people don't know any better).

Why do people KEEP using Apple's products, hmmm?

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-04-29 17:59, Chris wrote:
>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Mon, 29 Apr 2024 16:50:54 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>>> Apple doesn't support Linux working with iOS - Linux is in the real world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since I use and program Linux for desktop and embedded projects I can
>>>>> attest to its severe limitations in the "real world".
>>>>>
>>>>> Esp. the absence of the more useful productivity apps (MS Office, Adobe
>>>>> creative s/w, etc.).
>>>>
>>>> Agree. That's the main reason I moved from linux to macOS. OpenOffice just
>>>> didn't cut it in a work environment.
>>>
>>> In the work environment, almost everyone uses Microsoft Office nowadays.
>>
>> Exactly why I moved to macOS. Best of all worlds. A real unix and standard
>> office productivity apps. I can hack away on a shell script and prepare a
>> ppt presentation at the same time.
>
> When I decided to quit Windows (ca 2006) I tries Linux as my home
> computer for near a month. It was clearly unworkable in "the real
> world" where using it with other people was concerned. Installing and
> configuring s/w in those days was also a bit more painful than today.
>
> OpenOffice (in those days) was okay, but importing/exporting Word and
> Excel was a chore and a lot of formatting data (esp. Excel) was mangled
> in the process.

Nowadays MS office is far beyond anything open/libreoffice can cope with. I
use LO/OO at home for the most basic tasks simply because it's free.

>>
>>> Extremely few corporations use macOS as almost all use Microsoft Windows.
>>
>> Yeah many stick to the lowest common denominator. Cheap and cheerful.
>
> Also low training cost - most everyone knows Windows ... I hardly use it
> but when I'm forced to, no matter what the wrappings, the foundation
> crap never changes.

Yeah, true.

It's annoying at work that although macOS is a supported platform all
documentation/guidance is Windows only.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 07:36:54 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Apple is expensive because it doesn't target the low end, high volume but
>> targets demanding users who need robust, reliable hardware that works.
>> Hence why it's favoured by professionals in creative industries.
>
> Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked

Where and how did you check? That's secret information.

> (admittedly long
> ago), whereas Android profits are far lower than that.

If android is so good why can't they make a decent profit from it? The tech
savvy would be happy to pay a premium for the better quality product.

Oh wait. They already do ;)

> Why?
> Because Apple Marketing is one of the best on earth, perhaps even better
> than Big Tobacco and Big Soda marketing (which themselves are excellent).
>
> Apple has no qualms about telling "The Big Lie" (and, as proof, look at the
> plethora of expensive lawsuits Apple lost for spewing all those lies).
>
> So the real reason Apple products are expensive is Apple Marketing has
> convinced the gullible uneducated technically inferior people that it's
> better (and those technically clueless people don't know any better).

Why do you constantly devalue your arguenent by name calling or childish
views.

> I suspect the reason you don't know how technically inferior Apple products
> are is that you are clueless yourself about Android. Am I right?
>
>> macOS is also a unix machine, hence why it's liked by scientists and
>> software engineers who have seen the light. All the benefits of linux are
>> present.
>
> I could say the same thing about Android which is just as much a Linux box.

Android is linux in all but name. Linus Torvalds is the only reason why the
android kernel is not mainline linux.

> Bear in mind I probably have and use more Apple mobile devices than you do.
>
>>
>>> The only way Apple devices work is when they're all in the walled garden.
>>
>> False.
>
> I probably have right in front of me more iPads & iPhones than you do.
>
> Your own statements prove you're technically clueless about Android's
> capability to work when the Apple devices fail due to the walled garden.
>
> Before you respond that you think I am clueless about iOS not working
> outside the walled garden, take a look at these three representative
> screenshots I made for badgolferman's photo-file-naming thread.
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/RVdVKS8q/Apple-Ipad.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg
> https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg

I'm surprised it's not more pictures of books. Do you have android for
dummies?

Chris wrote on Wed, 1 May 2024 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC) :

>> https://i.postimg.cc/RVdVKS8q/Apple-Ipad.jpg
>> https://i.postimg.cc/PJ4hWyS0/Apple-Iphone.jpg
>> https://i.postimg.cc/zfgrt8dC/Samsung.jpg
>
> I'm surprised it's not more pictures of books.

While you're like a small child who misunderstands the significance of
those screenshots, teh point is I've used more iOS mobile devices than
you probably have used in your entire life - along with dozens of Android
devices - so I _know_ what each platform can and cannot do.

The fact you don't understand how debilitating an iOS device is when it's
hooked to platforms that are in the real world simply proves my point about
you uneducated ignorant ill-mannered child-like Apple religious zealots.

You know nothing about iOS.
Hence your statement that iOS works well with Windows & Linux is absurd.

> Do you have android for dummies?

No but it's trivial to download almost any epub on the Intenet.
https://libgen.is/search.php?req=android+for+dummies
http://libgen.is/search.php?req=ios+for+dummies

Which Libgen recommends you use the Tor browser to download.

Oh wait. Sadly, iOS is the only platform that doesn't have privacy.
iOS can't run the Tor browser because webkit doesn't allow privacy.

You probably won't understand the next statement - but it's a fact.
Privacy is something Apple advertises but iOS users don't get it.

None of you ignorant Apple religious zealots know anything about iOS.

On 2024-05-01 16:37, Chris wrote:

>> Apple makes over 50% profit on each iPhone last I checked
>
> Where and how did you check? That's secret information.

It's probably not far off if you call it gross margin, not net profit -
but I'd guesstimate closer to 35% - 40% gross margin.

--
“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> Android is linux in all but name. Linus Torvalds is the only reason why the
> android kernel is not mainline linux.
>
I have respect for Linus Torvalds. Not for Android trolls. When I followed
an Ubuntu group there was an onslaught of anti-Linux trolls, some trollish
names I’ve recognized here over the years. The ornery cuss Linux regulars,
some who dissed Ubuntards for not using Slackware may have side-eyed Apple
mobile products but wouldn’t be caught dead trolling an iPhone group. And
many of the iOS partisans here would never care to troll the Ubuntu or
other Linux group. Good people on both sides stayed in their own lane. I
crossed over and converted. The best part of the Ubuntu group was it was
somehow inaccessible to Google Groups if I recall correctly. Thankfully we
eventually benefited from that absence here too. Yet Arlen remains.

On 2024-05-03 21:56, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
> [snip]
>>
>> Android is linux in all but name. Linus Torvalds is the only reason why the
>> android kernel is not mainline linux.

Android is the Google name for the platform OS. As it's been around
since 2008 I wouldn't expect it to hew closely to any Linux kernel of today.

Torvalds certainly didn't push Android away. The Android team did their
own thing to the point where Android became a distinct fork.

> I have respect for Linus Torvalds. Not for Android trolls. When I followed
> an Ubuntu group there was an onslaught of anti-Linux trolls, some trollish
> names I’ve recognized here over the years. The ornery cuss Linux regulars,
> some who dissed Ubuntards for not using Slackware may have side-eyed Apple
> mobile products but wouldn’t be caught dead trolling an iPhone group. And
> many of the iOS partisans here would never care to troll the Ubuntu or
> other Linux group. Good people on both sides stayed in their own lane. I
> crossed over and converted. The best part of the Ubuntu group was it was
> somehow inaccessible to Google Groups if I recall correctly. Thankfully we
> eventually benefited from that absence here too. Yet Arlen remains.

Back in the 2000 - 2008 (ish) period I was in a couple web based Linux
groups. There was no trolling at all that I recall - though you might
get a smack for a dumb reply to a question.

I've gone through a few Ubuntu cycles on Macs (VMs) and even resorted to
it for a dev environment for an embedded project - eventually someone
properly ported it to Mac (that is, made an installer that worked).

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“Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first;
nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first.”
- Charles de Gaulle.