Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Sep 2024 18:14:06 GMT :

> It wasn't a success. Arlen started his 2FA post where he lied about
> Apple's 2FA implementation repeatedly before the month was over. What
> BGM and Arlen really want is to be able to troll without repercussion.
> They want to lie without anyone correcting them. That is what they
> consider "success".

And yet, you're deathly afraid of simply answering this factual question:

Question: Is it a fact that Apple requires 2FA for all new Apple IDs.
Answer: Yes, or no.

HINT: You're afraid of answering; which is why you bully anyone who knows
the answer - calling them childish names - because not only do you *hate*
what Apple did - but you are also afraid of this simple truth about Apple.

On 2024-09-03, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Sep 2024 18:14:06 GMT :
>
>> It wasn't a success. Arlen started his 2FA post where he lied about
>> Apple's 2FA implementation repeatedly before the month was over. What
>> BGM and Arlen really want is to be able to troll without repercussion.
>> They want to lie without anyone correcting them. That is what they
>> consider "success".
>
> And yet, you're deathly afraid

Projection. Your fear of Apple is why you spend most of your life
trolling the apple news groups

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Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 02:44:11 GMT :

>> And yet, you're deathly afraid
>
> Projection. Your fear of Apple is why you spend most of your life
> trolling the apple news groups

All religious nutcases fear the truth about their religious zealotry.
The fact is that you fear any truth about Apple products.

Such as the fact that Apple forces constantly re-logging into an Apple ID.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>

FACT:
Apple often requires logging into your Apple ID and we've proved that with
incontrovertible proof, e.g., when Apple changes the terms and conditions.
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>

Assessment of that fact:
The fact you lied about that fact shows us how much you *fear* the truth.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>

FACT:
There are *many* (very many!) other times Apple requires a re-login into
your Apple ID that I'm aware of because I don't do it - and so I am well
aware that Apple will nag you five, ten, fifteen times a day to re login.
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>

ASSESSMENT of that fact:
The fact you lie about what Apple does indicates how much you *fear* facts.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg>

On 2024-09-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 02:44:11 GMT :
>
>>> And yet, you're deathly afraid
>>
>> Projection. Your fear of Apple is why you spend most of your life
>> trolling the apple news groups
>
> All religious nutcases fear the truth about their religious zealotry.

You just described yourself succinctly.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 22:16:23 GMT :

>> All religious nutcases fear the truth about their religious zealotry.
>
> You just described yourself succinctly.

You strange Apple nutcases interest me, because you are so very religious.

What's interesting about you, Jolly Roger, is not that you know nothing
about Apple, nor that you lie every time a fact about Apple is provided.

No. What's interesting about you, Jolly Roger, is how *afraid* you are.
*Every day of your life, you live in abject fear.*

You have no idea that Apple forces you to re-login even if you've never
logged out. This is extremely basic. And yet, you're completely ignorant.

You are so *afraid* of that fact that you brazenly lie about it.

When the fact is easily proven, then you call that proof, a troll.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>

Your abject *fear* of facts about Apple products is what interests me.

On 05/09/2024 01:30, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 22:16:23 GMT :
>
>>> All religious nutcases fear the truth about their religious zealotry.
>>
>> You just described yourself succinctly.
>
> You strange Apple nutcases interest me, because you are so very religious.
>
> What's interesting about you, Jolly Roger, is not that you know nothing
> about Apple, nor that you lie every time a fact about Apple is provided.
>
> No. What's interesting about you, Jolly Roger, is how *afraid* you are.
> *Every day of your life, you live in abject fear.*
>
> You have no idea that Apple forces you to re-login even if you've never
> logged out. This is extremely basic. And yet, you're completely ignorant.
>
> You are so *afraid* of that fact that you brazenly lie about it.
>
> When the fact is easily proven, then you call that proof, a troll.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>
>
> Your abject *fear* of facts about Apple products is what interests me.

What you are saying appears to be true - in spite of the rebuttal by
Jolly Roger.

What response(s) do you get when you ask on the Apple Support
Communities forums?

https://discussions.apple.com/welcome

May I borrow your AppleID and password - I'll ask FOR you if you'd prefer?

David Brooks wrote on Thu, 5 Sep 2024 09:26:05 +0100 :

> What response(s) do you get when you ask on the Apple Support
> Communities forums?

You missed the part about the fact I called Apple Support. 800-275-2273
Multiple times.

Each time I initially got the wrong answer from the Apple "Advisor", I
asked to speak to a more senior advisor, where the calls took hours.

I explained that I was aware of Apple's lawsuit where at least Apple said,
in the past, that they're remove 2FA within 2 weeks of you creating it.
https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/09/apple-two-factor-authentication-lawsuit/

But no more. Now it's mandatory.

Apple is the only common operating system vendor who requires me to keep my
Android phone with me (at all times for the rest of my life!) just so that
I can log into my Apple ID - which - contrary to what the ignorant zealots
seem to believe - happens all the time as Apple constantly forces re
logging in (and if you're unaware of that fact - then try NOT logging in!).
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>

Apple nags you five, ten, fifteen times a day to log in if you don't do it.

Note: The ignorant Apple zealots are unaware of this as they always log in.

On 05/09/2024 13:30, Andrew wrote:
> David Brooks wrote on Thu, 5 Sep 2024 09:26:05 +0100 :
>
>> What response(s) do you get when you ask on the Apple Support
>> Communities forums?
>
> You missed the part about the fact I called Apple Support. 800-275-2273
> Multiple times.
>
> Each time I initially got the wrong answer from the Apple "Advisor", I
> asked to speak to a more senior advisor, where the calls took hours.
>
> I explained that I was aware of Apple's lawsuit where at least Apple said,
> in the past, that they're remove 2FA within 2 weeks of you creating it.
> https://www.macrumors.com/2019/02/09/apple-two-factor-authentication-lawsuit/
>
> But no more. Now it's mandatory.
>
> Apple is the only common operating system vendor who requires me to keep my
> Android phone with me (at all times for the rest of my life!) just so that
> I can log into my Apple ID - which - contrary to what the ignorant zealots
> seem to believe - happens all the time as Apple constantly forces re
> logging in (and if you're unaware of that fact - then try NOT logging in!).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg>
>
> Apple nags you five, ten, fifteen times a day to log in if you don't do it.
>
> Note: The ignorant Apple zealots are unaware of this as they always log in.

All noted. Thank you.

You appear, though, to have missed this:- "May I borrow your AppleID and
password"?

Btw, things might improve if you got yourself an iPhone!

David Brooks wrote on Thu, 5 Sep 2024 14:04:10 +0100 :

> Btw, things might improve if you got yourself an iPhone!

Heh heh heh... I have plenty of iPhones. Probably more than you do.
And I have plenty of iPads. Plus plenty of Androids. And PCs too.

Remember.... I use these devices to test the *truth* about products.

Which is why I set up the new iPads first, without an Apple ID.
Which was to *test* the *truth* about how it works without an Apple ID.
Which - let's be frank - is an iPad is worthless without an Apple ID.

Which proves the point that Apple designed iOS as a dumb terminal.
Devoid of even the most basic of functionality without logging into Apple.

Having proved that fact, I decided to add an Apple ID to that new iPad.
That's when I found out you *must* add 2FA (since Feb2023).

Only Apple forces you to murder your privacy.
Nobody else does. Only Apple.

Moving forward, since the iPad is a dumb terminal, I added a new Apple ID.
My daily drive is an Android phone. So that's the phone number I used.

Sure, it worked.
But now I have to have Android with me just to log into my Apple device.

That's absurd.
Only Apple could come up with such a ridiculously absurd policy.

Because most Apple customers are ignorant sheep the policy will remain.
Apple customers will put up with anything - they're all ignorant sheep.

The fact is Apple murdered privacy.
And, for me, I have to carry two devices just to log into the Apple one.

On 2024-09-05, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Sep 2024 22:16:23 GMT :
>
>>> All religious nutcases fear the truth about their religious
>>> zealotry.
>>
>> You just described yourself succinctly.
>
> You strange Apple nutcases interest me, because you are so very
> religious.

Projection.

> You have no idea that Apple forces you to re-login even if you've
> never logged out.

You have no idea that after the initial 2FA verification, the device is
trusted and subsequent logins do not require 2FA.

> Your abject *fear* of facts about Apple products is what interests me.

Projection.

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On 05/09/2024 15:26, Andrew wrote:
> David Brooks wrote on Thu, 5 Sep 2024 14:04:10 +0100 :
>
>> Btw, things might improve if you got yourself an iPhone!
>
> Heh heh heh... I have plenty of iPhones. Probably more than you do.
> And I have plenty of iPads. Plus plenty of Androids. And PCs too.
>
> Remember.... I use these devices to test the *truth* about products.
>
> Which is why I set up the new iPads first, without an Apple ID.
> Which was to *test* the *truth* about how it works without an Apple ID.
> Which - let's be frank - is an iPad is worthless without an Apple ID.
>
> Which proves the point that Apple designed iOS as a dumb terminal.
> Devoid of even the most basic of functionality without logging into Apple.
>
> Having proved that fact, I decided to add an Apple ID to that new iPad.
> That's when I found out you *must* add 2FA (since Feb2023).
>
> Only Apple forces you to murder your privacy.
> Nobody else does. Only Apple.
>
> Moving forward, since the iPad is a dumb terminal, I added a new Apple ID.
> My daily drive is an Android phone. So that's the phone number I used.
>
> Sure, it worked.
> But now I have to have Android with me just to log into my Apple device.
>
> That's absurd.
> Only Apple could come up with such a ridiculously absurd policy.
>
> Because most Apple customers are ignorant sheep the policy will remain.
> Apple customers will put up with anything - they're all ignorant sheep.
>
> The fact is Apple murdered privacy.
> And, for me, I have to carry two devices just to log into the Apple one.

You might well have stumbled onto something amiss.

I'll review what you say. Thanks.