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Subject: Due to Apple's abysmal lack of R&D, many game developers complain Apple has no R&D direction
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With Apple's chronic lack of R&D being a key reason why Apple is five to
ten years behind the competition, developers claim that making games for
Apple platforms is "like an abusive relationship" as shown in cites below.

<https://www.eurogamer.net/making-games-for-apple-platforms-like-an-abusive-relationship-say-developers>
<https://mobilegamer.biz/inside-apple-arcade-again-late-payments-stonewalled-studios-terrible-tech-support-and-vision-pro-woes/>
<https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/01/apple-arcade-frustrations-persist-for-developers/>
<https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/apple-arcade-devs-call-company-out-of-touch-cite-vision-pro-and-payment-issues>
<https://www.polygon.com/24206470/quit-apple-arcade-fantasian-neo-dimension>
<https://www.imore.com/gaming/apple-arcade-got-more-expensive-but-the-quality-never-justified-it-heres-how-it-can-hook-mobile-gamers-like-me-back-to-the-service>
<https://kotaku.com/apple-arcade-abusive-horrible-mobilegamer-report-devs-1851610313>
<https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-developers-slam-apples-gaming-platforms-amidst-delays-and-support-issues-3571548/>
<https://www.gamesindustry.biz/mobile-developers-describe-working-with-apple-arcade-as-a-very-difficult-and-long-process>
<https://www.macstories.net/linked/developers-claim-apple-arcade-is-directionless/>
<https://voi.id/en/technology/403739>
<https://fudzilla.com/news/mobile/59446-working-for-apple-is-like-being-in-an-abusive-relationship>
<https://www.cultofmac.com/864347/apple-arcade-game-developers-complain/>
<https://www.inverse.com/gaming/apple-arcade-developers-video-games-ignored-report>
<https://readwrite.com/apple-arcade-slammed/>
<https://www.techtimes.com/articles/306993/20240801/game-developers-still-unhappy-apple-arcade-subscription-why.htm>
<https://bgr.com/entertainment/app-developers-are-complaining-about-major-issues-with-apple-arcade/>
etc.

Here's one characteristic quote from the first cite showing how Apple's
lack of R&D spending means that the entire Apple R&D team is directionless.

"A key problem is reportedly a lack of contact or technical support.
'We can go weeks without hearing from Apple at all and their general
response time to emails is three weeks, if they reply at all,'
said one source.

'We're supposed to be able to ask product, technical and commercial
questions, but often half the Apple team won't turn up and when
they do they have no idea what's going on and can't answer our
questions, either because they don't have any knowledge on how
to answer it, or are not able to share that info for confidentiality
reasons.'"

When you wonder why Apple is always five to ten years behind in technology,
Apple's lack of R&D spending, particularly in gaming tech, is revealing.

Subject: Re: Due to Apple's abysmal lack of R&D, many game developers complain Apple has no R&D direction
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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Apple has no R&D direction
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On 2024-08-01 16:25, Andrew wrote:
> With Apple's chronic lack of R&D being a key reason why Apple is five to
> ten years behind the competition, developers claim that making games for
> Apple platforms is "like an abusive relationship" as shown in cites below.
>
> <https://www.eurogamer.net/making-games-for-apple-platforms-like-an-abusive-relationship-say-developers>
> <https://mobilegamer.biz/inside-apple-arcade-again-late-payments-stonewalled-studios-terrible-tech-support-and-vision-pro-woes/>
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/01/apple-arcade-frustrations-persist-for-developers/>
> <https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/apple-arcade-devs-call-company-out-of-touch-cite-vision-pro-and-payment-issues>
> <https://www.polygon.com/24206470/quit-apple-arcade-fantasian-neo-dimension>
> <https://www.imore.com/gaming/apple-arcade-got-more-expensive-but-the-quality-never-justified-it-heres-how-it-can-hook-mobile-gamers-like-me-back-to-the-service>
> <https://kotaku.com/apple-arcade-abusive-horrible-mobilegamer-report-devs-1851610313>
> <https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-developers-slam-apples-gaming-platforms-amidst-delays-and-support-issues-3571548/>
> <https://www.gamesindustry.biz/mobile-developers-describe-working-with-apple-arcade-as-a-very-difficult-and-long-process>
> <https://www.macstories.net/linked/developers-claim-apple-arcade-is-directionless/>
> <https://voi.id/en/technology/403739>
> <https://fudzilla.com/news/mobile/59446-working-for-apple-is-like-being-in-an-abusive-relationship>
> <https://www.cultofmac.com/864347/apple-arcade-game-developers-complain/>
> <https://www.inverse.com/gaming/apple-arcade-developers-video-games-ignored-report>
> <https://readwrite.com/apple-arcade-slammed/>
> <https://www.techtimes.com/articles/306993/20240801/game-developers-still-unhappy-apple-arcade-subscription-why.htm>
> <https://bgr.com/entertainment/app-developers-are-complaining-about-major-issues-with-apple-arcade/>
> etc.
>
> Here's one characteristic quote from the first cite showing how Apple's
> lack of R&D spending means that the entire Apple R&D team is directionless.
>
> "A key problem is reportedly a lack of contact or technical support.
> 'We can go weeks without hearing from Apple at all and their general
> response time to emails is three weeks, if they reply at all,'
> said one source.
>
> 'We're supposed to be able to ask product, technical and commercial
> questions, but often half the Apple team won't turn up and when
> they do they have no idea what's going on and can't answer our
> questions, either because they don't have any knowledge on how
> to answer it, or are not able to share that info for confidentiality
> reasons.'"
>
> When you wonder why Apple is always five to ten years behind in technology,
> Apple's lack of R&D spending, particularly in gaming tech, is revealing.

Just for clarity, not a single one of those articles cites anything
about R&D.

Subject: Re: Due to Apple's abysmal lack of R&D, many game developers complain Apple has no R&D direction
From: *Hemidactylus*
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Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-08-01 16:25, Andrew wrote:
>> With Apple's chronic lack of R&D being a key reason why Apple is five to
>> ten years behind the competition, developers claim that making games for
>> Apple platforms is "like an abusive relationship" as shown in cites below.
>>
>> <https://www.eurogamer.net/making-games-for-apple-platforms-like-an-abusive-relationship-say-developers>
>> <https://mobilegamer.biz/inside-apple-arcade-again-late-payments-stonewalled-studios-terrible-tech-support-and-vision-pro-woes/>
>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/01/apple-arcade-frustrations-persist-for-developers/>
>> <https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/apple-arcade-devs-call-company-out-of-touch-cite-vision-pro-and-payment-issues>
>> <https://www.polygon.com/24206470/quit-apple-arcade-fantasian-neo-dimension>
>> <https://www.imore.com/gaming/apple-arcade-got-more-expensive-but-the-quality-never-justified-it-heres-how-it-can-hook-mobile-gamers-like-me-back-to-the-service>
>> <https://kotaku.com/apple-arcade-abusive-horrible-mobilegamer-report-devs-1851610313>
>> <https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-developers-slam-apples-gaming-platforms-amidst-delays-and-support-issues-3571548/>
>> <https://www.gamesindustry.biz/mobile-developers-describe-working-with-apple-arcade-as-a-very-difficult-and-long-process>
>> <https://www.macstories.net/linked/developers-claim-apple-arcade-is-directionless/>
>> <https://voi.id/en/technology/403739>
>> <https://fudzilla.com/news/mobile/59446-working-for-apple-is-like-being-in-an-abusive-relationship>
>> <https://www.cultofmac.com/864347/apple-arcade-game-developers-complain/>
>> <https://www.inverse.com/gaming/apple-arcade-developers-video-games-ignored-report>
>> <https://readwrite.com/apple-arcade-slammed/>
>> <https://www.techtimes.com/articles/306993/20240801/game-developers-still-unhappy-apple-arcade-subscription-why.htm>
>> <https://bgr.com/entertainment/app-developers-are-complaining-about-major-issues-with-apple-arcade/>
>> etc.
>>
>> Here's one characteristic quote from the first cite showing how Apple's
>> lack of R&D spending means that the entire Apple R&D team is directionless.
>>
>> "A key problem is reportedly a lack of contact or technical support.
>> 'We can go weeks without hearing from Apple at all and their general
>> response time to emails is three weeks, if they reply at all,'
>> said one source.
>>
>> 'We're supposed to be able to ask product, technical and commercial
>> questions, but often half the Apple team won't turn up and when
>> they do they have no idea what's going on and can't answer our
>> questions, either because they don't have any knowledge on how
>> to answer it, or are not able to share that info for confidentiality
>> reasons.'"
>>
>> When you wonder why Apple is always five to ten years behind in technology,
>> Apple's lack of R&D spending, particularly in gaming tech, is revealing.
>
> Just for clarity, not a single one of those articles cites anything
> about R&D.
>
Please stop replying to this troll and its numerous sockpuppets.

Subject: Re: Due to Apple's abysmal lack of R&D, many game developers complain Apple has no R&D direction
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On 2024-08-02 16:30, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-08-01 16:25, Andrew wrote:
>>> With Apple's chronic lack of R&D being a key reason why Apple is five to
>>> ten years behind the competition, developers claim that making games for
>>> Apple platforms is "like an abusive relationship" as shown in cites below.
>>>
>>> <https://www.eurogamer.net/making-games-for-apple-platforms-like-an-abusive-relationship-say-developers>
>>> <https://mobilegamer.biz/inside-apple-arcade-again-late-payments-stonewalled-studios-terrible-tech-support-and-vision-pro-woes/>
>>> <https://www.macrumors.com/2024/08/01/apple-arcade-frustrations-persist-for-developers/>
>>> <https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/apple-arcade-devs-call-company-out-of-touch-cite-vision-pro-and-payment-issues>
>>> <https://www.polygon.com/24206470/quit-apple-arcade-fantasian-neo-dimension>
>>> <https://www.imore.com/gaming/apple-arcade-got-more-expensive-but-the-quality-never-justified-it-heres-how-it-can-hook-mobile-gamers-like-me-back-to-the-service>
>>> <https://kotaku.com/apple-arcade-abusive-horrible-mobilegamer-report-devs-1851610313>
>>> <https://www.financialexpress.com/life/technology-developers-slam-apples-gaming-platforms-amidst-delays-and-support-issues-3571548/>
>>> <https://www.gamesindustry.biz/mobile-developers-describe-working-with-apple-arcade-as-a-very-difficult-and-long-process>
>>> <https://www.macstories.net/linked/developers-claim-apple-arcade-is-directionless/>
>>> <https://voi.id/en/technology/403739>
>>> <https://fudzilla.com/news/mobile/59446-working-for-apple-is-like-being-in-an-abusive-relationship>
>>> <https://www.cultofmac.com/864347/apple-arcade-game-developers-complain/>
>>> <https://www.inverse.com/gaming/apple-arcade-developers-video-games-ignored-report>
>>> <https://readwrite.com/apple-arcade-slammed/>
>>> <https://www.techtimes.com/articles/306993/20240801/game-developers-still-unhappy-apple-arcade-subscription-why.htm>
>>> <https://bgr.com/entertainment/app-developers-are-complaining-about-major-issues-with-apple-arcade/>
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Here's one characteristic quote from the first cite showing how Apple's
>>> lack of R&D spending means that the entire Apple R&D team is directionless.
>>>
>>> "A key problem is reportedly a lack of contact or technical support.
>>> 'We can go weeks without hearing from Apple at all and their general
>>> response time to emails is three weeks, if they reply at all,'
>>> said one source.
>>>
>>> 'We're supposed to be able to ask product, technical and commercial
>>> questions, but often half the Apple team won't turn up and when
>>> they do they have no idea what's going on and can't answer our
>>> questions, either because they don't have any knowledge on how
>>> to answer it, or are not able to share that info for confidentiality
>>> reasons.'"
>>>
>>> When you wonder why Apple is always five to ten years behind in technology,
>>> Apple's lack of R&D spending, particularly in gaming tech, is revealing.
>>
>> Just for clarity, not a single one of those articles cites anything
>> about R&D.
>>
> Please stop replying to this troll and its numerous sockpuppets.
>

I'm not going to get into a back and forth...

....but I'll reply as I please.

And I pleased to point out that nothing in any of those links mentioned
a thing about R&D.

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