badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :

> AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
> still has a long way to go.
>
> https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won

Hi badgolferman,

Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.

I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.

There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!

Never forget the difference please.
Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.

Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.

Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.

But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that
Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its
gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.

Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.

As a result, Apple can't innovate.
But man oh man... can Apple market.

So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple
marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has
"leapfrogged" anyone.

What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
c. Google (which is late to the game)

I bet you don't know the answer.

Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.

It's marketing.

On 2024-07-21 07:15, Andrew wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
>> still has a long way to go.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
>
> I think you misunderstood what I said, and what I had asked, as I don't
> doubt the Apple customers fall for every marketing gimmick in the book.
>
> There's a huge difference between MARKETING & TECHNOLOGY.
> Apple can't innovate - but boy oh boy - can Apple market that they do!
>
> Never forget the difference please.
> Apple has a gullible herd following that rivals that of Marlboro.
>
> Marlboro sold Virginia Slims, remember - to gullible herd animals.
> Having gullible herd followings does not make the technology better.
>
> Even the "bold new colors" sell like hotcakes to Apple herd animals.
>
> But if you're going to tell me that "yellow phones" are an innovation that
> Android doesn't have, simply because Apple sells more yellow phones to its
> gullible herds, I'm going to push back on you for technology reasons.
>
> Remember, I never said Apple doesn't have the finest MARKETING in the
> world. What I said was Apple's R&D is the worst in terms of spending.
>
> As a result, Apple can't innovate.
> But man oh man... can Apple market.
>
> So just the fact that billions of gullible Apple owners fall prey to Apple
> marketing - like sheep led to slaughter - doesn't mean the technology has
> "leapfrogged" anyone.
>
> What's technologically better between the three airtags anyway?
> a. Apple (which came out in April 2021)
> b. Samsung (which came out at exactly the same time)
> c. Google (which is late to the game)
>
> I bet you don't know the answer.
>
> Notice if you don't know the answer, you are falling prey to Apple
> marketing because having billions of gullible idiots isn't technology.
>
> It's marketing.

Are you getting it, BGM?

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Sun, 21 Jul 2024 09:50:47 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> AirTags are the standard tracking device right now. The Android version
>> still has a long way to go.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/phones/google-pixel-phones/an-unofficial-test-compared-apples-airtags-against-googles-find-my-device-heres-which-tracker-won
>
> Hi badgolferman,
>
> Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.

And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good
example.

Prior to AirTags the market leader was Tile. Now Tile are struggling to be
relevant. The android solutions are desperate to join Apple's Find My
network.

> I think you misunderstood what I said

Everyone understands your one-sided, factless rhetoric.

Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:29:01 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
>
> And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good
> example.

I'm going to converse with you as if you own normal adult cognition, OK?

Look again. I told badgolferman right away that he was the only one who
suggested *anything* that the iPhone "leapfrogged" Android. I feted him.

However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still
waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.

> Prior to AirTags the market leader was Tile. Now Tile are struggling to be
> relevant. The android solutions are desperate to join Apple's Find My
> network.

As I said I would be happy to find an iPhone feature that "leapfrogged" an
Android feature, instead of the iPhone being 5 to 10 years behind Android.

Since none of you can come up with even a single iPhone feature, that means
a. All of you have a strongly held belief system based on zero facts
b. Which is the definition of religious zealots (not sensible people)
>> I think you misunderstood what I said
>
> Everyone understands your one-sided, factless rhetoric.

I wonder if you strange people realize not a single one of you can come up
with even a single iPhone feature that "leapfrogged" Android recently.

Do you realize all of you prove my point?
a. Each of you have a strongly held belief iPhones leapfrogged Android.
b. And yet, none of you can name a SINGLE feature that the iPhone did that.

Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
A: ?

Andrew wrote:

>However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're
>still waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that
>of Android.

AirTags are a hardware function of the iPhone feature FindMy. It is
because of FindMy that AirTags have become the standard among trackers.
As the document I provided shows, Apple's (iPhone) FindMy network is
far more robust than the Android Find My Device network for now.
Undoubtedly Google will get it sorted out at some time.

This is sort of a double-edged advantage though. Trackers are
considered anathema to those who value privacy. For iPhones to have an
advantage in something which devalues privacy is somewhat ironic.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 07:29:01 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Please never forget I'm not stupid. Give me credit for being intelligent.
>>
>> And yet you don't acknowledge that badgolferman has come up with a good
>> example.
>
> I'm going to converse with you as if you own normal adult cognition, OK?
>
> Look again. I told badgolferman right away that he was the only one who
> suggested *anything* that the iPhone "leapfrogged" Android. I feted him.
>
> However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still
> waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.

badgolfernan has already convinced of your misconception so I'll refer you
to him.

>
> Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
> A: ?

To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android
equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.
There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an
equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you
lauded didn't exist.

Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool
used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees:
https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html

Android doesn't fare quite so well. For example, the Trump shooter had his
Samsung phone cracked:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techandscience/the-fbi-got-into-the-trump-rally-shooter-s-phone-in-just-40-minutes/ar-BB1qhMgY

Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:31:21 -0000 (UTC) :

>> However, I also note that AirTags are NOT an iPhone feature; so we're still
>> waiting for even a single iPhone feature that leapfrogged that of Android.
>
> badgolfernan has already convinced of your misconception so I'll refer you
> to him.

While I don't have to dumb down the messaging when I converse with
badgolferman, for you I'll summarize we badgolferman & I currently stand:
1. Apple UWB trackers (Android has them also)
2. Apple Wallet/Pay systems (Android has them also)
3. Apple Emergency Satellite messaging (not yet available on Android)
4. In-person store one-on-one free customer support

Of those four items where Apple is clearly more successful, only the latter
two are missing on Android, although Google is planning on shipping the
satellite phone feature (free for two years, just like Apple has done).

However, the point isn't whether or not Apple is slightly more successful
because if we wanted to go that route, we'd start comparing Siri to Google
Assistant or Apple Maps to Google Maps or Or Apple's App Store to Google's
App Store. Or Apple's CarPlay to Android Auto. Or we could even dive deeper
into the weeds comparing any number of millions of apps such as NewsTap to
GroundHog newsreaders - so we need to be careful to not just compare stuff
we like better but which is on both platforms.

What we want to find is something that is on Apple that is NOT on Android.
>> Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
>> A: ?
>
> To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android
> equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.

Unfortunately for you, for you to claim FaceID is anything but a (rather
brilliant) mere marketing gimmick is not going to sit well with me, since I
am well aware why Apple customers *need* such a gimmick which is not secure
but which is easy - which is because the iPhone is designed as a dumb
terminal which is always logged into Cupertino servers such that Apple
needs you to lock your phone more than you need to lock your phone.

I realize most Apple owners live in the slums, and that most Apple owners
alive in abject fear of the people around them - and they quake with fear
when their wives or children or friends or neighbors are anywhere near
their iPhone, but a "normal" person does not live in abject fear.

For example, I don't have a lock on my phone and my data is far more secure
than if it were on any iPhone ever designed - so just be advised that
telling me you fell for the oldest marketing gimmick in the book doesn't
bode well for you in that FaceID is a garbage gimmick for gullible iSheep.

Besides, even Android has the same garbage gimmick.

> There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an
> equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you
> lauded didn't exist.

This is absurd. The automation on Android far surpasses anything on Apple.
I'm not even going to go there as you're desperate at this point.

> Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool
> used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees:
> https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html

Jesus Christ. You fall for every marketing gimmick in the book, Chris.
Do you know the iPhone is far more exploited than Android, Chris?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Do you realize that Android security for dozens of core modules is updated
monthly for every Android 10 device on the Internet while iOS is not?

Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet it
has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.

C'mon. You're grasping at straws by throwing marketing bullshit at us.
The fact is no phone is less secure than an Apple iPhone, Chris.

> Android doesn't fare quite so well. For example, the Trump shooter had his
> Samsung phone cracked:
> https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/techandscience/the-fbi-got-into-the-trump-rally-shooter-s-phone-in-just-40-minutes/ar-BB1qhMgY

The iPhone is the most exploited smartphone in history, Chris.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

There are three times as many zero-day holes in iOS than in Android too.

The fact you take a single case and try to make your entire point about
that one case shows how desperate you are to make a point that isn't valid.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 22 Jul 2024 18:31:21 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Q: Name a single iPhone feature that you believe "leapfrogged" Android.
>>> A: ?
>>
>> To repeat as you ignored it last time: AirPods (+ Pros) and FaceID. Android
>> equivalents for the airpods have since caught up, mostly, but not FaceID.
>
> Unfortunately for you, for you to claim FaceID is anything but a (rather
> brilliant) mere marketing gimmick is not going to sit well with me, since I
> am well aware why Apple customers *need* such a gimmick

I *knew* you would go down this rabbit hole.

Need is utterly irrelevant to your question. The fact is biometrics are
commonly used by mobile phone users and FaceID is easily more advanced than
other facial recognition methods available.

> Besides, even Android has the same garbage gimmick.

I agree that the android version is garbage.

>> There's also the Automation/ShortCuts feature which doesn't have an
>> equivalent in android and includes the Geofencing functionality which you
>> lauded didn't exist.
>
> This is absurd. The automation on Android far surpasses anything on Apple.
> I'm not even going to go there as you're desperate at this point.

Because you can't. You didn't even know it existed on ios so you don't know
what you're talking about. Again.

>> Plus iphone security is currently uncrackable by the popular cracking tool
>> used by both law enforcement and others willing to pay the high fees:
>> https://www.techspot.com/news/103880-cellebrite-tools-cant-crack-iphones-running-ios-174.html
>
> Jesus Christ. You fall for every marketing gimmick in the book, Chris.
> Do you know the iPhone is far more exploited than Android, Chris?
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

That link doesn't confirm what you think it does. As was demonstrated to
you.

> Do you realize that Android security for dozens of core modules is updated
> monthly for every Android 10 device on the Internet while iOS is not?

It's not all of them, though, is it? The rest of the os is completely
vulnerable. To the joy of the likes of cellebrite.

> Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet it
> has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.

Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
android ;)

On 2024-07-23, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>
>> Do you even realize that Pegasus often infects the iOS kernel and yet
>> it has NEVER been able to infect the Android kernel, Chris.
>
> Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
> android ;)

He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:

https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
---
Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the
potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know
about anyone that is targeted.
---

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JR

Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 00:04:05 GMT :

>> Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
>> android ;)
>
> He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
>
> https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
> ---
> Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
> the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
> emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
> and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
> all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
> the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the
> potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
> those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know
> about anyone that is targeted.

There's a reason I assess the iKooks as low-IQ, uneducated & ignorant.

It's no longer surprising Apple's zealots don't know what a kernel is.
<https://info.lookout.com/rs/051-ESQ-475/images/pegasus-exploits-technical-details.pdf>

Pegasus constantly infects the (sophomorically written) iOS kernel.
Pegasus has *never* even once infected the well-written Android kernel.

On 2024-07-24 04:15, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 24 Jul 2024 00:04:05 GMT :
>
>>> Pegasus targets high value individuals. *That's* why it doesn't target
>>> android ;)
>>
>> He's lying anyway. Pegasus absolutely does get into Android devices:
>>
>> https://www.androidauthority.com/pegasus-spyware-1646458/
>> ---
>> Once it has secretly infected a smartphone (Android or iOS), it can turn
>> the device into a fully-fledged surveillance device. SMS messages,
>> emails, WhatsApp messages, iMessages, and more, are all open for reading
>> and copying. It can record incoming and outgoing calls, as well as steal
>> all the photos on the device. Plus it can activate the microphone and/or
>> the camera and record what is being said. When you combine that with the
>> potential to access past and present location data, it is clear that
>> those listening at the other end know almost everything there is to know
>> about anyone that is targeted.
>
> There's a reason I assess the iKooks as low-IQ, uneducated & ignorant.

You're a giant dick?