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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Subject: Re: phone migration
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badgolferman wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:44:14 -0000 (UTC) :

>>>The primitive toy iPhone is incapable of migrating over the EXACT
>>>location of every folder and every app icon (and every widget &
>>>shortcut too).
>>
>>False.
>>
>
> When I signed back into iCloud on my new iPhone the apps from the
> previous phone did not migrate over.

Hi badgolferman,

You're not a zealot so I can speak with you in a normal adult tone, where
you know full well I use both Android & iOS and that Alan Baker does not.

In addition, you can surmise that my IQ is at least near normal, whereas
it's obvious that Alan's is somewhere around 40 (proof abounds), so it's
normal for Alan Baker to live to the left of Mount Stupid on the DK scale.

What that means is Alan Baker is dead wrong - as he's just making it up due
to his ignorance - but - he's supremely confident in being dead wrong too.

This is a trait that *all* the Apple religious zealots have, which, after
all, if the fundamental reason they say the strange things that they say.

Better yet, I don't defend any mothership to the death - as I say the truth
about all of them - where my main goal on this Apple newsgroup is...
a. Tell the truth about Apple & learn the truth about Apple, and,
b. Show the uneducated ignorant low-IQ zealots for what they are.

To that end, Alan Baker is so ignorant about iOS that he is unaware that if
the app (or the exact version you liked) is no longer on the App Store,
then there is no way to install that app (or version) onto your new device.

Summary: If you don't back up every app & version on iOS, you're toast;
whereas Android can be set up to always saves every app installer & version
just like every operating system other than iOS has done for decades.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Hxb3vmv6/autosaveapk.jpg>

Notice Android can save to the portable storage so you can pop that card
into the new phone and all your app installers are already waiting for you.

In addition, with Android, you can just slide the APK over from Windows,
and that alone installs the APK (which an iPhone can only dream of doing).

Suffice to say I know what I'm talking about, unlike the zealots, when it
comes to how primitive the iPhone is in terms of IPA backup & re-install.
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

Where do you think those thousands of APKs on Windows came from?
Android mounts as a Windows drive so all APKs are saved on Windows too!

>>>With Android, you save the homescreen on the old & load it back to
>>>the new.
>>>
>>>Then, EVERY app icon is on the new phone EXACTLY where it was on
>>>the old.
>>
>>Just like it is on an iPhone.
>
> That is not my experience with any iPhone I've had, personal or
> corporate. The apps get downloaded if they're still on the App Store,
> but not in the same layout or folders they've been placed into.

Alan Baker, like all the religious zealots, is so far to the left of Mount
Stupid that he actually believes apps that no longer exist are installed.

They're not. As you've correctly noted.

With Android, they are, since Android *never* deletes the original APK.
Which is how all the APK extractors work such as these on Google Play.
<https://play.google.com/store/search?q=app%20extractor&c=apps>

In addition, what shows how horribly brain dead iOS is, any APK on Android
that you extract works on any other Android (just like with any normal OS).

Only on Apple systems is an IPA locked to your AppleID, even for free apps.
This Apple doesn't advertise and hence the zealots are ignorant of it.

> One of the first things I do with a new phone is move most of the
> preloaded Apple programs into an Unused folder, sometimes I even delete
> them. Yet these always remain where they were when preloaded at the
> factory. I also move other icons into folders so I can have more on
> the Home page 1 screen. These do not get placed back in the same
> folders.

There is no doubt the major difference between iOS and every other
operating system is how crippled the IPA backup/restore truly is.

It's shocking, actually - how crippled IPA backup & restore is
compared to every other common consumer operating system badgolferman.

However, it's not shocking that the zealots don't even realize it,
as they completely fabricate IPA functionality that simply doesn't exist.
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/search?q=ipa%20itunes%20backup%20restore%20empson>

Note that David Empson had to many times tell Jolly Roger & nospam that
they were completely ignorant about EVERYTHING related to IPA backup.

I miss Michelle Steiner & David Empson but I do not miss nospam
as he was a deceitful sadistic disgusting liar in almost all ways
devoid of any possible human traits of purposefully helpful intent.

Much like Alan Browne is, these people are the worst of humanity.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: badgolferman
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
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Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:28 UTC
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From: REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com (badgolferman)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
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Andrew wrote:

>To that end, Alan Baker is so ignorant about iOS that he is unaware
>that if the app (or the exact version you liked) is no longer on the
>App Store, then there is no way to install that app (or version) onto
>your new device.

At one time iTunes allowed you to save and reinstall apps from your
phone regardless of whether they were still on App Store. Then they
took that capability away. I complained about it in the group and it
was nospam who directed me to an older version of iTunes which still
did that. I think iTunes also allowed you to rip songs from CDs and
put them on your phone. I have the installation program in my
Downloads folder but haven't had to use it yet. I really don't want to
install that monstrosity which makes itself default for so many Windows
PC functions.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: phone migration
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badgolferman wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:28:15 -0000 (UTC) :

>>To that end, Alan Baker is so ignorant about iOS that he is unaware
>>that if the app (or the exact version you liked) is no longer on the
>>App Store, then there is no way to install that app (or version) onto
>>your new device.
>
> At one time iTunes allowed you to save and reinstall apps from your
> phone regardless of whether they were still on App Store. Then they
> took that capability away. I complained about it in the group and it
> was nospam who directed me to an older version of iTunes which still
> did that. I think iTunes also allowed you to rip songs from CDs and
> put them on your phone. I have the installation program in my
> Downloads folder but haven't had to use it yet. I really don't want to
> install that monstrosity which makes itself default for so many Windows
> PC functions.

I enjoy conversing with you as you can communicate like an adult would.
Like you, I have nothing invested in any mothership but, like you, I choose
the best combination of companies (e.g., T-Mobile) and hardware.

I understand your concern about iTunes, as one of my worst experiences with
Apple's horrible unnatural punitive restrictions on functionality was when
Costco had an iPod sale - so I bought my first iPod (of which I have many).

My first delight was the iPod was tremendously easier to use than the
Panasonic MP3 player I already had (for less than 1/3rd the price).

But my major disappointment was that I needed to install the iTunes
abomination on Windows just to initialize that iPod - and worse - I
couldn't easily copy my library of thousands of MP3s over to that iPod.

The iTunes abomination wouldn't easily allow me to maintain multiple
libraries which is unlike any software I had ever seen then or since.

WTF? What is Apple's problem?, I thought. The damn iTunes even wiped out
completely my library a few times - that's how atroicious iTunes was.

Googling for how to populate an iPod like a normal human being (and not
like an Apple zealot), I found the SharePod freeware & it was instant love!
<https://i.postimg.cc/MT0CxMbZ/ipod007.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/rsj2G0KZ/ipod006.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/7hwyTMYT/ipod005.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/25LmpSK3/ipod004.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/RZF4RR17/ipod003.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/hPMKTwm4/ipod002.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/jdRsWKLk/ipod001.jpg>

With SharePod freeware, you didn't even need to install it on Windows.
Yup. You don't install it. You just run it off of the iPod.

Fancy that!

When you connect the iPod to Windows (without iTunes installed), you click
on the SharePod executable sitting on the iPod, and it runs on WIndows.

Then you just slide MP3s from any number of iPods to and from any number of
PCs without knowing or caring which "AppleID" is registered to anything.

SharePod worked like normal software (until Apple bought them out).
By way of comparison, the iTunes abomination of bloatware added so much
crap (QuickTime for example) and so many services (Bonjour for example)
that it was a horrid mess - and worse - the iTunes abomination REMOVES
functionality since when iTunes was installed, it stopped SharePod working.

At the time, I asked for help on the Apple newsgroups and that's when I
found out how sadistically disgusting those like Jolly Roger & nospam were.

They repeatedly denied everything about iTunes, brazenly lying that it does
what anyone who has ever used iTunes knows it doesn't do - and they even
denied that it breaks the wonderful SharePod freeware beautiful connection.

The fact is, when you install iTunes, you *lose* sharing functionality.

Ask me how I know this:
<https://i.postimg.cc/fRtZFGSt/sharepod01.jpg>

Note: The uneducated ignorant zealots know NOTHING of how Apple products
work, let alone how normal products work, which is why I can understand you
completely when you talk about iTunes; but the low-IQ zealots can't.

Anyway, back to the topic, perhaps the most brain-dead component of the iOS
ecosystem is how horridly primitive IPA backup and restore capability is.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: phone migration
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On 2024-07-19, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> To that end, Alan Baker is so ignorant about iOS that he is unaware
>> that if the app (or the exact version you liked) is no longer on the
>> App Store, then there is no way to install that app (or version) onto
>> your new device.
>
> At one time iTunes allowed you to save and reinstall apps from your
> phone regardless of whether they were still on App Store. Then they
> took that capability away. I complained about it in the group and it
> was nospam who directed me to an older version of iTunes which still
> did that. I think iTunes also allowed you to rip songs from CDs and
> put them on your phone. I have the installation program in my
> Downloads folder but haven't had to use it yet. I really don't want
> to install that monstrosity which makes itself default for so many
> Windows PC functions.

You can still install apps that are no longer on the App Store with
third-party tools like iMazing. As usual, Arlen doesn't even consider
possibilities when it comes to slinging dirt about Apple and Apple
users. He just spouts bullshit with abandon because it makes him feel
better about his life choices to belittle others.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
Organization: BWH Usenet Archive (https://usenet.blueworldhosting.com)
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: phone migration
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Jolly Roger wrote on 19 Jul 2024 18:54:26 GMT :

> You can still install apps that are no longer on the App Store with
> third-party tools like iMazing.

"You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before*
it disappears from the App Store"
<https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/59797/questions-if-an-ipa-backup-file-can-help-with-installing-apps-that-aren-t-available-in-the-app-store>

If you are willing to canvass your friends, you can find one of them with
the older app already backed up and you can beg them for their old IPA.

Sadly, this is what it means to own a device designed as a dumb terminal.

No other operating system (other than from Apple) requires you to back up
your installers given all other operating system automatically save them.

Only iOS has such an atrociously primitive IPA backup/restore methodology
(which, after all, is based on the dumb-terminal design of iOS overall).

REFERENCES in the sig (where zealots don't need reference because
they simply make everything up and they hope nobody notices).
--
https://www.lifewire.com/install-apps-removed-from-app-store-2000636
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250969787?sortBy=best
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/59797/questions-if-an-ipa-backup-file-can-help-with-installing-apps-that-aren-t-available-in-the-app-store
https://imazing.com/guides/how-to-manage-apps-without-itunes
https://imazing.com/guides/how-to-export-backup-and-transfer-ios-apps-data-and-settings
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/419962/how-do-i-get-an-app-from-my-old-phone-onto-a-new-phone-without-updating-the-app

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad
Subject: Re: phone migration
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On 2024-07-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 Jul 2024 18:54:26 GMT :
>
>> You can still install apps that are no longer on the App Store with
>> third-party tools like iMazing.
>
> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
> disappears from the App Store"

Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed from
the App Store by the developer?

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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 00:16:19 GMT :

>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>> disappears from the App Store"
>
> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed from
> the App Store by the developer?

Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
badgolferman and yet - he doesn't have the guts to lie to me on this.

That's because I'm well aware the iPhone is designed as a dumb terminal.
The entire Apple ecosystem can't do anything without Cupertino's servers.

This is yet another case where iOS can't do what every other OS does.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
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On 2024-07-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 00:16:19 GMT :
>
>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>
>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>> from the App Store by the developer?
>
> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
> badgolferman

False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the App
Store with tools like iMazing.

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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Subject: Re: phone migration
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 03:07:21 GMT :

>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>
>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>
>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>> badgolferman
>
> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the App
> Store with tools like iMazing.

I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.

To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA from?

We're waiting...

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Alan
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From: nuh-uh@nope.com (Alan)
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On 2024-07-19 20:13, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 03:07:21 GMT :
>
>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>
>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>
>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>> badgolferman
>>
>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the App
>> Store with tools like iMazing.
>
> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>
> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
> resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA from?
>
> We're waiting...

By backing up your iOS device...

....with iMazing.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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On 2024-07-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 03:07:21 GMT :
>
>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>
>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>
>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>> badgolferman
>>
>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>
> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>
> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
> resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA
> from?
>
> We're waiting...

Not from the App Store, dumb ass - from my file server.

Your claim that I supposedly lied is bullshit, as is most of everything
else you write here.

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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system
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On 2024-07-20, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-19 20:13, Andrew wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 03:07:21 GMT :
>>
>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>
>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>>> badgolferman
>>>
>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>
>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>
>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger,
>> without resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets
>> that IPA from?
>>
>> We're waiting...
>
> By backing up your iOS device...
>
> ...with iMazing.

The dip shit really thought he had a "gotcha" here... He's *that* dumb.

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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: phone migration
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 16:04:16 GMT :

>>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>>>> badgolferman
>>>>
>>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>>>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>>
>>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>>
>>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger,
>>> without resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets
>>> that IPA from?
>>>
>>> We're waiting...
>>
>> By backing up your iOS device...
>>
>> ...with iMazing.
>
> The dip shit really thought he had a "gotcha" here... He's *that* dumb.

Heh heh heh... what's funny is you're so ignorant that you don't even
realize how little you zealots know about what's brain dead about iOS.

OK. Now that we've established how iOS does it, how do you think every
other operating system re-installs apps, Jolly Roger, including Android?

I'll wait for you to tell us...

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Subject: Re: phone migration
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 16:03:10 GMT :

>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>
>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>
>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>>> badgolferman
>>>
>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>
>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>
>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
>> resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA
>> from?
>>
>> We're waiting...
>
> Not from the App Store, dumb ass - from my file server.
>
> Your claim that I supposedly lied is bullshit, as is most of everything
> else you write here.

Heh heh heh... now that we've established how brain dead iOS is for
re-installing existing IPAs that are no longer on the App Store...

.... How do you think every other operating system re-installs apps, JR?

I'll wait for you to tell us...

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.system,comp.mobile.ipad,comp.sys.mac.system
Subject: Re: phone migration
Date: 20 Jul 2024 20:24:38 GMT
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On 2024-07-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 16:04:16 GMT :
>
>>>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was
>>>>>>> removed from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore
>>>>>> to badgolferman
>>>>>
>>>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on
>>>>> the App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>>>
>>>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb
>>>> terminal.
>>>>
>>>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger,
>>>> without resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets
>>>> that IPA from?
>>>>
>>>> We're waiting...
>>>
>>> By backing up your iOS device...
>>>
>>> ...with iMazing.
>>
>> The dip shit really thought he had a "gotcha" here... He's *that*
>> dumb.
>
> Blah blah blah you zealots blah blah blah...
>
> OK. Now that we've established how iOS does it, how do you think every
> other operating system re-installs apps, Jolly Roger, including
> Android?

Ironic that you'd bring up Android when this has absolutely nothing to
do with it, yet you call the rest of us "zealots". As always, little
Arlen, your trolls are as weak as your intellect.

And again, your claim that I supposedly lied has been shown to be false.
And you haven't been able to show a shred of evidence to prove that
baseless claim. What I said remains to be true: You can install apps
that are no longer on the App Store on Apple devices with third-party
tools like iMazing. And it works great.

--
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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
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On 2024-07-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 16:03:10 GMT :
>
>>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was
>>>>>> removed from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>>
>>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore
>>>>> to badgolferman
>>>>
>>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on
>>>> the App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>>
>>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>>
>>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger,
>>> without resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets
>>> that IPA from?
>>>
>>> We're waiting...
>>
>> Not from the App Store, dumb ass - from my file server.
>>
>> Your claim that I supposedly lied is bullshit, as is most of
>> everything else you write here.
>
> Heh heh heh...

When little Arlen can't dispute the FACTS, he giggles and deflects like
the man-child he truly is.

--
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Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.system, comp.mobile.ipad, comp.sys.mac.system
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Subject: Re: phone migration
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 20:25:58 GMT :
>>>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>>>>> badgolferman
>>>>>
>>>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>>>>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>>>
>>>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>>>
>>>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
>>>> resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA
>>>> from?
>>>>
>>>> We're waiting...
>>>
>>> Not from the App Store, dumb ass - from my file server.
>>>
>>> Your claim that I supposedly lied is bullshit, as is most of everything
>>> else you write here.
>>
>> Heh heh heh... now that we've established how brain dead iOS is for
>> re-installing existing IPAs that are no longer on the App Store...
>>
>> ... How do you think every other operating system re-installs apps, JR?
>>
>> I'll wait for you to tell us...

> When little Arlen can't dispute the FACTS, he giggles and deflects like
> the man-child he truly is.

And yet, I know exactly how utterly primitive iOS backup/restore is.

As I said, only iOS uses such a brain-dead restrictive backup/restore.

No other OS uses that Stone-Age dumb-terminal design - except Apple.

Subject: Re: phone migration
From: Andrew
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
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Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 20:24:38 GMT :

> What I said remains to be true: You can install apps
> that are no longer on the App Store on Apple devices with third-party
> tools like iMazing. And it works great.

I agree with you, Jolly Roger, as I well know how primitive iOS is.

As I said, only iOS uses such a brain-dead restrictive backup/restore.

No other OS uses that Stone-Age dumb-terminal design - except Apple.

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On 2024-07-20 17:08, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 20:24:38 GMT :
>
>> What I said remains to be true: You can install apps
>> that are no longer on the App Store on Apple devices with third-party
>> tools like iMazing. And it works great.
>
> I agree with you, Jolly Roger, as I well know how primitive iOS is.
>
> As I said, only iOS uses such a brain-dead restrictive backup/restore.
>
> No other OS uses that Stone-Age dumb-terminal design - except Apple.

iPhones can be backed up via:

A Mac or PC with Apple's software.

An iCloud account.

third party software; in specific, iMazing.

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On 2024-07-20 17:07, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 Jul 2024 20:25:58 GMT :
>>>>>>>>> "You have to have backed up the app using iMazing *before* it
>>>>>>>>> disappears from the App Store"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Duh. How else do you propose installing something that was removed
>>>>>>>> from the App Store by the developer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notice that Jolly Roger brazenly lied about IPA backup & restore to
>>>>>>> badgolferman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> False. What I said is true: You can install apps that are not on the
>>>>>> App Store with tools like iMazing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know how brain dead iOS is since it's designed as a dumb terminal.
>>>>>
>>>>> To prove the point, let's see if you can tell us, Jolly Roger, without
>>>>> resorting to brazen lies, *where* do you think iMazing gets that IPA
>>>>> from?
>>>>>
>>>>> We're waiting...
>>>>
>>>> Not from the App Store, dumb ass - from my file server.
>>>>
>>>> Your claim that I supposedly lied is bullshit, as is most of everything
>>>> else you write here.
>>>
>>> Heh heh heh... now that we've established how brain dead iOS is for
>>> re-installing existing IPAs that are no longer on the App Store...
>>>
>>> ... How do you think every other operating system re-installs apps, JR?
>>>
>>> I'll wait for you to tell us...
>
>> When little Arlen can't dispute the FACTS, he giggles and deflects like
>> the man-child he truly is.
>
> And yet, I know exactly how utterly primitive iOS backup/restore is.
>
> As I said, only iOS uses such a brain-dead restrictive backup/restore.
>
> No other OS uses that Stone-Age dumb-terminal design - except Apple.
>
>

How do you backup an Android phone, exactly?

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