badgolferman wrote on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 15:41:02 -0000 (UTC) :

> With Androids you have to set up the user first before doing anything.

Steve has mentioned how primitive the iPhone is for work environments.

The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability to set up
a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances security & privacy).

Here's my free phone which is more capable than any toy iPhone ever sold.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TY04xZwF/work-user-profile.jpg>

On 2024-07-18 20:31, Andrew wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 15:41:02 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> With Androids you have to set up the user first before doing anything.
>
> Steve has mentioned how primitive the iPhone is for work environments.

I don't recall seeing that.

>
> The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability to set up
> a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances security & privacy).
>
> Here's my free phone which is more capable than any toy iPhone ever sold.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TY04xZwF/work-user-profile.jpg>

It's a different philosophy of phone...

....but it's neither right nor wrong.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 15:41:02 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> With Androids you have to set up the user first before doing anything.
>
> Steve has mentioned how primitive the iPhone is for work environments.
>
> The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability to set up
> a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances security & privacy).

Interestingly had a random discussion about this with my team last week and
the android setup sounds like a nightmare. You have to download all apps
you need in both environments twice - wasting storage and any data limits -
and configure them separately but then you don't get any notifications from
the other profile when using your phone e.g. MFA or messages.

You're constantly having to remember to switch profile to ensure you get
calendar or message notifications from the different profiles.

If you truly want a separation, it's better to get separate phones IYAM.

> Here's my free phone which is more capable than any toy iPhone ever sold.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TY04xZwF/work-user-profile.jpg>
>

Chris wrote:

>Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 18 Jul 2024 15:41:02 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>> With Androids you have to set up the user first before doing
>>>anything.
>>
>> Steve has mentioned how primitive the iPhone is for work
>>environments.
>> The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability
>>to set up a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances
>>security & privacy).
>
>Interestingly had a random discussion about this with my team last
>week and the android setup sounds like a nightmare. You have to
>download all apps you need in both environments twice - wasting
>storage and any data limits - and configure them separately but then
>you don't get any notifications from the other profile when using
>your phone e.g. MFA or messages.
>
>You're constantly having to remember to switch profile to ensure you
>get calendar or message notifications from the different profiles.
>
>If you truly want a separation, it's better to get separate phones
>IYAM.
>

If that is true then I agree with you. There must be a way to have
select notifications cross profile though. That would be a stupid
shortcoming.

Carrying two phones is not an ideal situation either. It takes up a
lot of pocket space and you look silly checking two phones.

--
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." ~
Winston Churchill

Chris wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:46:44 -0000 (UTC) :

>> The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability to set up
>> a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances security & privacy).
>
> Interestingly had a random discussion about this with my team last week and
> the android setup sounds like a nightmare. You have to download all apps
> you need in both environments twice - wasting storage and any data limits -
> and configure them separately but then you don't get any notifications from
> the other profile when using your phone e.g. MFA or messages.

Hi Chris,

Thanks for letting me (and the rest of us) know this, as I set up the
Work/Personal profile to help someone on the ng & haven't tested it much.
<https://i.postimg.cc/TY04xZwF/work-user-profile.jpg>

> You're constantly having to remember to switch profile to ensure you get
> calendar or message notifications from the different profiles.

If "constantly" you mean an extra page comes up with "Work/Personal"
choices (as you can see in my previous screenshot setting app defaults),
then I agree that there is a "chance" that there's an extra page.

Notice in my screenshot that the default is "Personal".

1. You go to App defaults in settings
2. You have two sets of App Defaults (Work & Personal)
3. My default is "Personal" so there's no extra steps for me to do
> If you truly want a separation, it's better to get separate phones IYAM.

While that's good advice, the point I was making was that iOS is designed
as a toy operating system which is incapable of doing what Android does.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 12:46:44 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> The primitive toy iPhone doesn't have any fundamental capability to set up
>>> a normally separate work & personal profile (enhances security & privacy).
>>
>> Interestingly had a random discussion about this with my team last week and
>> the android setup sounds like a nightmare. You have to download all apps
>> you need in both environments twice - wasting storage and any data limits -
>> and configure them separately but then you don't get any notifications from
>> the other profile when using your phone e.g. MFA or messages.
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for letting me (and the rest of us) know this, as I set up the
> Work/Personal profile to help someone on the ng & haven't tested it much.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TY04xZwF/work-user-profile.jpg>
>
>> You're constantly having to remember to switch profile to ensure you get
>> calendar or message notifications from the different profiles.
>
> If "constantly" you mean an extra page comes up with "Work/Personal"
> choices (as you can see in my previous screenshot setting app defaults),
> then I agree that there is a "chance" that there's an extra page.

I'm only referring to what android-owning members in my team reported. If
they're on their personal profile they don't get calendar or meeting
notifications from the work profile. Which, thinking about it, makes sense
if it's simply copying the linux user system. If Alice is logged in she
doesn't, and shouldn't, get messages relating to Bob.

Shame it's not a smarter solution.

> Notice in my screenshot that the default is "Personal".

> 1. You go to App defaults in settings
> 2. You have two sets of App Defaults (Work & Personal)
> 3. My default is "Personal" so there's no extra steps for me to do
>
>> If you truly want a separation, it's better to get separate phones IYAM.
>
> While that's good advice, the point I was making was that iOS is designed
> as a toy operating system which is incapable of doing what Android does.

Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's automatically the
right thing to do.

Chris wrote on Fri, 19 Jul 2024 16:27:39 -0000 (UTC) :

>> While that's good advice, the point I was making was that iOS is designed
>> as a toy operating system which is incapable of doing what Android does.
>
> Just because you can do something, doesn't mean it's automatically the
> right thing to do.

Given the iPhone can't do hundreds (if not thousands) of basic things that
every other operating system easily does, I'd rather have the choices.