Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:43:20 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Again, all factually correct. Where's the lie?
>
> Your lies lay in your abject fear

You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I categorically
deny and have shown to be factual.

Either be explicit regarding where I lied or retract your allegation and
STFU!

Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:51 -0000 (UTC) :

> You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I categorically
> deny and have shown to be factual.

Let's stop this childish charade you Apple fundamentalists always play.

You keep weaseling about what "full" support means like a person with
cancer who keeps hoping that "malignant" doesn't mean what it means.

To qualify your lies, you've recently turned to using "active" support,
which means you actually do understand what "full" support means after all.

The fact you know the answer, and yet you keep desperately wiggling around
trying to find a way out of your own brazen lies, is what you zealots do.

I've studied you strange Apple religious nutjobs, and every time you do the
same thing which is you deny every fact you don't know about Apple, which
wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't that you zealots know nothing about Apple.

I don't even care about Apple and I know more about how Apple updates
releases than any of you will ever know in your entire lifetime.

Which, after all, isn't saying much - because you can't even answer this:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

On 2024-07-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:51 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
>> categorically deny and have shown to be factual.
>
> Let's stop this childish charade

Projection.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Jul 2024 17:38:29 GMT :

>>> You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
>>> categorically deny and have shown to be factual.
>>
>> Let's stop this childish charade
>
> Projection.

It's no longer shocking you religious zealots know NOTHING about Apple.
You ignorant uneducated zealot can't even answer this simple question.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 15:56:51 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I categorically
>> deny and have shown to be factual.
>
> Let's stop

Making things up. You are incapable of finding holes in what people state,
so you pretend they said something else. Then snip and run when challenged.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:58:07 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the
>>> link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.
>>
>> Why don't you do your own analysis? Like I did with the Apple releases to
>> show that Apple indeed does actively support multiple releases. It's not
>> like you have anything else to do.
>
> Only one word matters

What matters is that you make unsubstantiated claims based on third party
information or your own guess work, but when you're challenged you have
nothing to fall back on.

You don't do your own analysis because you can't. Then attack when things
are outside your narrow sphere of consciousness.

>>> What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.
>>> What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.
>>
>> I've shown that Apple actively supports iOS 15 onwards. Actions speak
>> louder than words.
>
> Do you think I don't understand

Yup.

>>> For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
>>> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>>
>> That's not an answer. Take Wannacry it reportedly cost $4bn in damage:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack
>
> Chris, do you think I'm not aware of the whataboutism that all you
> religious fundamentalist zealots employ to avoid answering the question?

You're the one who brought MS into the conversation as an example of good
software maintenance. I'm just highlighting what a stupid idea that was.

>>> The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
>>>> of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
>>>> not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.
>>>
>>> I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
>>> dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
>>> "meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.
>>
>> What does fully supported OS look like to you?
>> "core services" or (B) actively patching all known vulnerabilities in the
>> OS?
>>
>> You seem to be demanding (B) of Apple, but accepting (A) for Android.
>> That's hardly a fair comparison.
>>
>> You're the one desperate to push a biased agenda based on your opinions
>> only.
>>
>> When you actually look at the facts the differences are minimal. But you're
>> not really interested in facts only bias affirming opinions.
>
> Chris. I have had small children. My children have had small children.
> My grandchildren just has babies. Stop acting like those small children.

Like Joerge says, you're projecting.

> Everyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of computers knows what it means.

Yet, you're not even prepared to explain it yourself either because you
don't understand it or are afraid of clarifying what you mean and having it
torn apart.

> I get it that you're desperate to find a flaw.
> I get it that you are embarrassed that you were wrong about Apple.
>
> I get it even that you're blissfully unaware that every operating system
> vendor will fix a bug or few in older releases when they're really bad.
>
> But fixing one bug and fixing every known bug are two different things.

Correct. I'm not convinced you realise which model you're in favour of.

> Apple promises only one thing, Chris - and it's not what you claim it is.
>
> If you can't answer this simple question, then I'm right about you zealots.
> Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
> A: Yes or No

It depends.

On 2024-07-04, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 4 Jul 2024 17:38:29 GMT :
>
>>>> You've made unsubstantiated allegations that I lied which I
>>>> categorically deny and have shown to be factual.
>>>
>>> Let's stop this childish charade
>>
>> Projection.
>
> It's no longer shocking you religious zealots

More projection.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 5 Jul 2024 01:37:07 GMT :

>> It's no longer shocking you religious zealots
>
> More projection.

And yet, you *still* can't bring yourself to answer the question, JR.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Why are you so deathly afraid of the truth about Apple products anyway?

Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:11:30 -0000 (UTC) :

> Making things up. You are incapable of finding holes in what people state,
> so you pretend they said something else. Then snip and run when challenged.

Heh heh heh... C'mon Chris. Remember when you told me you had a PhD in the
medical sciences and yet you ridiculed, like a child, common medical terms.

You think I am not aware how frantically desperate you are to find a hole
in Apple's own public statements that they only fully support 1 release.

You're like a cornered rat, frantically trying to find some way out of your
own desperate brazen lies, Chris. Your bloodshot eyes are frenetically
darting about for any avenue of escape from the truth that Apple has never
fully supported more than one release at a time in its entire history.

Do you really think I'm not aware of your abject fear of this fact?

Your fear of facts is why you can't bring yourself to answer the question:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:20:35 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Only one word matters
>
> What matters is that you make unsubstantiated claims based on third party
> information or your own guess work, but when you're challenged you have
> nothing to fall back on.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

What is it about you ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple fundamentalist
zealots that you are so deathly afraid of that simple factual question?

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:11:30 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Making things up. You are incapable of finding holes in what people state,
>> so you pretend they said something else. Then snip and run when challenged.
>
> Heh heh heh... C'mon Chris.

Noted that you're not denying the above and yet still haven't provided
support for your unsubstantiated allegation of lying. Don't judge people by
your own standards. I have not and do not lie.

Any reasonable human would retract their statement.

> Remember when you told me you had a PhD in the
> medical sciences

I also challenged you to share your "degrees" and I would my PhD
certificate. As always you chickened out. You have no backbone.

> and yet you ridiculed, like a child, common medical terms.

I ridicule you because you claim to be scientist. Lol. You are incapable of
doing even the simplest analysis or research that isn't already written
down for you. I ask again. If google, as you claim, supports multiple
releases concurrently you should be able to evidence it. So go ahead.
Without asking others to do your work for you.

Without evidence all you have is opinion which is worthless against facts.
Such as Apple demonstrably supports iOS 15, 16 and 17.

> You think I am not aware how frantically desperate you are to find a hole
> in Apple's own public statements that they only fully support 1 release.
>
> You're like a cornered rat,

Projection.

You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you
claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:20:35 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Only one word matters
>>
>> What matters is that you make unsubstantiated claims based on third party
>> information or your own guess work, but when you're challenged you have
>> nothing to fall back on.
>
>
> Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
> A: Yes or No
>
> What is it about you ignorant uneducated low-IQ Apple fundamentalist
> zealots that you are so deathly afraid of that simple factual question?
>

If you had an argument you wouldn't need to resort to ad hominems. One can
only come to a single conclusion: you have no argument and you're full
shit.

Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 10:39:10 -0000 (UTC) :

> You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you
> claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!

To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you need to do is answer this:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

HINT: I know why you won't answer (you won't because you lied & answering
it would be an admission on your part that you lied about it prior).

Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 13:21:05 -0000 (UTC) :

> One can only come to a single conclusion: you have no argument

You're frantically desperate to deflect from my argument, Chris.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 10:39:10 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you
>> claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!
>
> To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you

You made the assertion. The onus is on you. Not me.

Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 23:30:30 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you
>>> claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!
>>
>> To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you
>
> You made the assertion. The onus is on you. Not me.

The only thing that matters is that you are afraid to answer this question
(which, in and of itself, shows you are embarrassed by your prior lies).

Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Fri, 5 Jul 2024 23:30:30 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>>> You constantly snip and run. Stand by your assertions like the adult you
>>>> claim to be. You quoted me as lying. Prove it!
>>>
>>> To prove/disprove your brazen lies, all you
>>
>> You made the assertion. The onus is on you. Not me.
>
> The only thing that matters is that

You back your claims. Last chance!

Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :

> You back your claims. Last chance!

How many times must I cite the same posts before you read them, Chris?

Either you're completely ignorant of Apple's OS update policy, or, you lied
as I have repeatedly quoted time and time again & again for you Chris.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

Since you lied above & since you won't answer this simple question, I'm
slowly beginning to realize you don't actually know the answer to the
query.

Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

Could it really be that you're too ignorant to even know the answer Chris?

Huh... I hadn't thought that you were too stupid to comprehend Apple's own
words until now. SO maybe you didn't lie after all.

Maybe you're just too stupid to understand what Apple publicly said?
I don't know anymore.

But what is the only logical choice is either you lied, or, you told what
you thought was the truth but which you were too stupid to actually
comprehend.

Pick one.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> You back your claims. Last chance!
>
> How many times must I cite the same posts before you read them, Chris?
>
> Either you're completely ignorant of Apple's OS update policy, or, you lied
> as I have repeatedly quoted time and time again & again for you Chris.
>
> Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>
>
> Since you lied above

Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that
you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.

You won't because you can't.

Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :

> Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that
> you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
> show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.
>
> You won't because you can't.

The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
You're just incredibly ignorant. To the point of being left of Mt Stupid.

You are supremely confident in your almost complete lack of knowledge.
So, maybe, after all, you didnt' lie Chris.

You truly do not know the answer to this extremely basic simple question:
Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

You, being left of Mount Stupid on the DK scale, are sure the answer is no.
And yet, the answer is Yes.

Apparently, you made brazen baseless claims out of pure ignorance.
Not malice.

I agree with you Chris.
You maybe didn't lie.
That means you're just shockingly ignorant and yet incredibly confident.

Which is the whole point of the graph of people left of Mount Stupid.
<https://psychology.stackexchange.com/questions/17825/what-is-the-primary-source-of-the-mount-stupid-graphic>

People who are too stupid to know how stupid they are, are incredibly
confident in everything that they claim - which is probably you, Chris.

On 2024-07-06 16:52, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that
>> you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
>> show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.
>>
>> You won't because you can't.
>
> The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
> You're just incredibly ignorant. To the point of being left of Mt Stupid.

You're such a coward, Arlen.

On 2024-07-06, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sat, 6 Jul 2024 23:26:12 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Aaannndddd, we're now full circle. You're citing the exact same posts that
>> you still haven't evidenced where I lied. So I challenge you - again - to
>> show where exactly you think I lied. I dare you.
>>
>> You won't because you can't.
>
> The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.

Not a fact. You lose.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 02:06:58 GMT :

>> The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
>
> Not a fact. You lose.]

Holy shit! You didn't lie!
*You're just incredibly confident in your complete ignorance!*
<https://i.sstatic.net/NJkCp.png>

I've always said that there are always one of two reasons why you Apple
religious fundamentalist zealots are so confident about being wrong.
<https://i.sstatic.net/wgoc9.jpg>

1. You either brazenly lie, or,
2. You really believe Apple fully supports more than 1 release at a time.
<https://i.sstatic.net/XgbX3.jpg>

Since Chris and you can't answer this simple question, even now...
Q: Does Apple publicly state they fully support only one release at a time?
A: Yes or no.

I'm beginning to realize fundamentalist zealots didn't lie after all.
*You actually _believe_ Apple simultaneously fully supports >1 release!*
<https://i.sstatic.net/QbnWs.png>

In other words, you're all to the left of Mount Stupid on the
Dunning-Kruger scale, which is people who know absolutely nothing but who
feel they know everything - which is all your strange religious zealots.]
<https://i.sstatic.net/wAbpc.jpg>

On 2024-07-07, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 02:06:58 GMT :
>
>>> The fact is that I'm beginning to think you didn't lie, Chris.
>>
>> Not a fact. You lose.]
>
> Holy shit! You didn't lie!

I never do. Here are FACTS you want everyone to ignore:

Open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for decades
<https://www.itweb.co.za/article/open-source-vulnerabilities-remain-unpatched-for-decades/wbrpO7gPwGdMDLZn>
---
A new report reveals an enormous number of identified open source
vulnerabilities remain unpatched for 10 years and longer, often because
organisations have no idea what open source code they are using.
..
..
..
With software developers routinely taking code from open source
repositories to embed in their company's products to speed up the
development process, saving time and money, manually tracking
components, their versions and their vulnerabilities is way beyond the
capabilities of most organisations.

The report recommends all organisations invest in an automated solution
for identifying and patching known vulnerabilities. "You can't patch
software if you don't know you are using it," the authors point out.
---

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Jolly Roger wrote on 7 Jul 2024 03:23:56 GMT :

> I never do. Here are FACTS you want everyone to ignore:
>
> Open source vulnerabilities remain unpatched for decades
> <https://www.itweb.co.za/article/open-source-vulnerabilities-remain-unpatched-for-decades/wbrpO7gPwGdMDLZn>
> ---
> A new report reveals an enormous number of identified open source
> vulnerabilities remain unpatched for 10 years and longer, often because
> organisations have no idea what open source code they are using.

The only facts we need to know are two undeniably salient facts, JR.

1. Apple touts that their ecosystem provides safety & security.
2. Yet Apple apparently has never even tested whether that claim is true.

In fact, it's obvious that Apple didn't even know how vulnerable their
ecosystem was for millions of mac/iOS apps for an entire decade, JR!

With that in mind, your excuse is that Apple is incompetent at testing?

HINT: If security researchers can find this flaw, why then can't Apple?