Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:32:37 GMT :

>> Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
>> older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those releases
>> was fixed.
>
> I did not in fact make that claim.

And yet, you did.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.

The cites clearly show you've lied about Apple support for years.

And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support of Chris' lies.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two conclusions are possible:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>

a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
(and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars

Pick one.

The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything more
than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS for that matter) in their entire history.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The only people saying Apple does fully support more than one release
are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

>> You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
>> fixed them all
>
> I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

And yet, you did.
Many times, in fact.

You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release,
that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.

And it's not just you who is that incredibly ignorant of Apple updates.
Most of the uneducated Apple religious fundamentalists have said this.

The cites clearly show you have lied about Apple support for years.
And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.

Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support
of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two
conclusions are possible (both of which could be simultaneous).
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>

a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
(and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars

Pick one or both.

The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything
more than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS) in their entire history.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The only people saying Apple fully supports more than one release
are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.
--
It's sad that I don't even care about Apple and yet I still know more about
Apple product updates than all these ignorant uneducatred zealots combined.

On 2024-07-02 10:43, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :
>
>>> You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
>>> fixed them all
>>
>> I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.
>
> And yet, you did.
> Many times, in fact.
>
> You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older release,
> that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.
>
> And it's not just you who is that incredibly ignorant of Apple updates.
> Most of the uneducated Apple religious fundamentalists have said this.
>
> The cites clearly show you have lied about Apple support for years.
> And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.
>
> Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>
>
> And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in support
> of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>
>
> Since all you iKooks are dead wrong about Apple support, only two
> conclusions are possible (both of which could be simultaneous).
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13706&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#>
>
> a. Either you're incredibly ignorant about how Apple updates iOS
> (and yet, you're supremely confident in your total ignorance!)
> b. Or, you are simply deceitful cold-hearted uncouth brazen liars
>
> Pick one or both.
>
> The fact remains, even Apple says they've never fully supported anything
> more than a _single_ iOS release (or macOS) in their entire history.
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>
> The only people saying Apple fully supports more than one release
> are these strangely ignorant Apple fundamentalist religious zealots.

What an incredible liar AND idiot you are:

Your quote from JR includes this:

'Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an
operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all if
it's a really old version).'

That is precisely contradictory of what you claim he has stated.

On 2024-07-02, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:32:37 GMT :
>
>>> Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
>>> older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those
>>> releases was fixed.
>>
>> I did not in fact make that claim.
>
> And yet, you did.

Repeating a lie doesn't magically make it become true, little Andrew.

> You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older
> release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases,
> was fixed.
>
> The cites clearly show you've lied about Apple support for years.

You haven't provided one. You're just full of failure, little boy!

> And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in
> support of Chris' lies.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>

Not only does that cite *not* show what you claim, but none of it is a
lie. To make matters worse, it includes this statement from me:
"Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an
operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all if
it's a really old version).", which is the *polar opposite* of what you
claimed I said! You're batting 1000, little Andrew! You're such a
desperate little prick head troll! 🤣

Are you done, or did you want to shove that stinky foot of yours even
further down your shit-filled throat?

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2024-07-02, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-02 10:43, Andrew wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :
>>
>>>> You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that
>>>> they fixed them all
>>>
>>> I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.
>>
>> And yet, you did.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> And then, you, Jolly Roger, again brazenly lie to badgolgerman in
>> support of Chris' brazen lies about Apple support for older releases.
>> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>
>
> What an incredible liar AND idiot you are:
>
> Your quote from JR includes this:
>
> 'Naturally this means that if you are running an older version of an
> operating system, some bugs may not be patched as quickly (or at all
> if it's a really old version).'
>
> That is precisely contradictory of what you claim he has stated.

Right? It's as if he thinks nobody will bother to fact check his brazen
lies. He must take his cues from Trump and his lying cohort of
Republicans. He probably looks up to them, because here he is using the
exact same playbook as them to hoodwink their gullible cult.

--
"If you repeat a lie often enough, [gullible] people will believe it,
and you will even come to believe it yourself." ~ Joseph Goebbels

JR

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 21:27:34 GMT :

> (or at all if it's a really old version)

What you hate is that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.

Notice you're still lying in that all it has to be is the previous version
from only yesterday (in this case, iOS 16, and in September, iOS 17) in
order to be summarily dropped from full hotfix support, Jolly Roger.

Simply answer this truthfully, Jolly Roger, unless you're afraid to:

Q: How many iOS/macOS releases does Apple *fully* support?
A: ?

Hint: The answer is "one"; not "it has to be very old".
All it has to be is not the latest single iOS/macOS release!

There's a reason Apple products are the most exploited in the world.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 21:34:20 GMT :

> He must take his cues from Trump and his lying cohort of
> Republicans

The fact you've never heard me say anything good about Trump and yet you
still are too stupid to realize that, indicates your low IQ, Jolly Roger.

However... to stay on topic, all you have to do is stop lying about Apple
support being the best in the industry when it's clearly the worst, JR.

Just stop it.
Let Apple marketing do all that lying.

a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support, while Apple has 5.
b. Google/Samsung promise up to 7 releases of full hotfix support;
while Apple has only one.
c. Google updates all Android 10+ phones monthly over the net; while
Apple only started hotfix patches in iOS 16 with the RSR concept.

There's a reason Apple products are the most exploited in history, JR.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:32:37 GMT :
>
>>> Jolly Roger claimed that simply because Apple fixed one bug in an
>>> older release, that EVERY bug that Apple knew about in those releases
>>> was fixed.
>>
>> I did not in fact make that claim.
>
> And yet, you did.
>
> You claimed that just because Apple fixed a single bug in an older
> release, that *all* the bugs Apple knew about in those older releases, was fixed.
>
> The cites clearly show you've lied about Apple support for years.
>
> And it's hot just Jolly Roger who lied about Apple support for years.
>
> Look here where Chris brazenly lies to badgolferman's face about it:
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>

Like Trump you have a very vague relationship with the truth and facts so
you're not a great judge.

Please point explicitly to where I "brazenly" (lol!) lied.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 21:34:20 GMT :
>
>> He must take his cues from Trump and his lying cohort of
>> Republicans
>
> The fact you've never heard me say anything good about Trump and yet you
> still are too stupid to realize that, indicates your low IQ, Jolly Roger.
>
> However... to stay on topic, all you have to do is stop lying about Apple
> support being the best in the industry when it's clearly the worst, JR.
>
> Just stop it.
> Let Apple marketing do all that lying.
>
> a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support,

That's a new policy and no current phone is covered by it. Only new models
going forward and I expect either a cull of cheaper models to the market or
some exceptions to come in.

They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even
for flagship models.

Compare these...
https://endoflife.date/pixel
https://endoflife.date/android

....with this
https://endoflife.date/iphone

It's quite obvious which is better supported.

Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:30:11 -0000 (UTC) :

>> a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support,
>
> That's a new policy and no current phone is covered by it.

Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.

Plus that includes *multiple* releases (whereas Apple only fully supports a
single release - all other consumer operating systems fully support
multiple releases).

Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.

That has no known EOL date so as far as we know it goes on forever
(especially as every one of those modules is donated to the AOSP).

No matter how you look at it, Apple has the worst operating system support
in the industry - which you are desperate to try to deny - but you can't.

> Only new models
> going forward and I expect either a cull of cheaper models to the market or
> some exceptions to come in.

Samsung and Google make most of the Android phones out there, so their
policy is the one that matters the most to the Android community.

Apple has never had a published operating system support policy, and only
recently, when forced to by the EU, did Apple publish that they'll only
promise five years and a single release of iOS support.

Again, the worst in the industry.

> They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
> models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even
> for flagship models.

Bullshit. Android has been fully supporting over two dozen core operating
system modules since Android 10 - which is billions of Android phones.

The fact you know none of this and yet you dispute that Apple has the worst
operating system support in the industry - shows how much of a religious
fundamentalist zealot wacko you are - since no facts are employed when you
formed your strongly held purely religious belief system about Apple
support.

There's a reason the iPhone is the most exploited smartphone in history.

Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:23:05 -0000 (UTC) :

> Please point explicitly to where I "brazenly" (lol!) lied.

Simply answer this basic question, Chris, with a yes or with a no.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Hint: Because of all your prior lies, you won't answer that question.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:30:11 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> a. Google/Samsung have 7 years of promised support,
>>
>> That's a new policy and no current phone is covered by it.
>
> Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.

Nope. Google published theirs in Oct/Nov last year and Samsung earlier this
year.

> Plus that includes *multiple* releases

Over the seven years, yes, but there's no mention of *concurrent* support
for multiple releases. I'd be very, very surprised that they will support
six versions of the OS at the same thing.

> (whereas Apple only fully supports a
> single release

Incorrect. Over the course of the lifetime of phone it gets multiple fully
supported releases. Typically 5 or 6.

Just like google/samsung's promise.

- all other consumer operating systems fully support
> multiple releases).
>
> Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
> above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.

Meaningless. That isn't "full" support as you love to shout about.

> That has no known EOL date so as far as we know it goes on forever

You're a very funny man. I hope you don't actually believe that.

<see my snipped urls for the facts >
>> They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
>> models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even
>> for flagship models.
>
> Bullshit. Android has been fully supporting over two dozen core operating
> system modules since Android 10 - which is billions of Android phones.

Hahaha! "Fully supporting select services" is laughable.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 07:23:05 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Please point explicitly to where I "brazenly" (lol!) lied.
>
> Simply answer this basic question,

You first. Answer my request above.

Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:09 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Simply answer this basic question,
>
> You first. Answer my request above.

Heh... heh... heh... Now how did I know you would continue to brazenly lie
just to get out of answering that simple yes-or-no question, Chris.

You lie so much you are even denying your own words, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
Chris: "there have been 14 major versions. Probably the most 2-3
recent are supported"
Chris: "iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several updates this year.
IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
nine years old."

Then badgolferman directly calls you out on your brazen lies, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
badgolferman: "Apple admits to only fully supporting the current
software version (17) with security updates.
How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?"

To which you continue to brazenly lie to badgolferman's face, Chris.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>
Chris: "You can see that two or three have been updated at the same
three times this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar.
Since the release of iOS 17, iOS 16 has received eight updates
and iOS 15 has received three."

To bolster your brazen lies to badgolferman, Jolly Roger also lies.
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13731&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13731>
Jolly Roger: "we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices
run iOS 17, 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices
are running the three most recent versions of iOS.
As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17 through iOS 15."

But it doesn't matter to me that you fundamentalists deny your own lies.
You actually *hate* that I tell you the truth about Apple products.

Assuming you and Jolly Roger read the cites (which isn't even a certainty,
given you still claim Apple fully supports more than one release at a
time), then you're either too low of an IQ to understand them - or you lie.

Pick one.

Trust me, I'm fully cognizant you Apple nutcases are embarrassed by your
own words, Chris - as I'm well aware you deny even what Apple wsa forced to
admit because, in truth, you *hate* that Apple is never what you thought it
was.

Partly this isn't your fault as Apple marketing has been brilliant in
feeding ignorant gullible herd animals that they have the "best" support.

Which, is funny, really: as Apple has the worst support in the industry:
a. 1 release has full hot-fix support (everyone else is multiple releases)
b. Only 5 years (whereas both Samsung & Google are 7 years full support)
c. No hotfix capability until iOS 16 (no other OS is as primitive as iOS)
etc.

Anyway, I've proven time and again you religious fundamentalists don't even
understand how Apple updates iOS & macOS, and that you resort to lies.

Now answer the basic question - or - continue to lie about Apple support.
Your choice.

Simply answer this basic question, Chris, with a yes or with a no.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Hint: Because of all your prior lies, you won't answer that question.
Now how did I know that? (heh heh heh... you're like small children.)

1. You know absolutely nothing about how any operating system updates
2. You religiously believe Apple fully supports multiple releases
3. Even when Apple themselves says they've never done that, Chris.

Not only should you no longer wonder why Apple devices are the most
exploited in history, Chris - but you should not even bother to wonder why
I say you strange religious zealots have an abnormally low IQ, Chris.

Like a religious zealot, Chris, you deny even what Apple doesn't deny.

Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :

>> You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
>> fixed them all
>
> I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.

I feel sorry for you strange religious zealots because you hate that I tell
you things about Apple that you wish weren't true - and yet - they are.

The fact is that your IQ is too low to comprehend the difference between
Apple fixing one bug in an older release and the promise by Apple to fix
all bugs it knows about - but only in the latest release - and no others.

While that concept is inherently simple - you can't comprehend that fixing
one bug is not the same as the promise to fix all bugs Apple knows about.

Note that I'm being charitable given I've proved you lied and you still
deny your own words - even as I quoted them faithfully with the cites.

The fact you're ashamed that you lied for years about Apple support aside,
what you need to do is answer this simple basic question with Yes or No.

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

I know you won't answer that question because you hate that it's so easy to
prove that Apple has the worst operating system support in the industry.

You strange religious zealots hate me for proving that fact with cites.
So be it.

I have two roles on these strangely child-like Apple Usenet newsgroups:
1. State the truth (with cites) about Apple products, and,
2. Prove how strange you uneducated religious fanatics truly are.

Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:08 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.
>
> Nope. Google published theirs in Oct/Nov last year and Samsung earlier this
> year.

I feel your frantic desperation to deny what the recently published
statements from Apple/Google/Samsung promise (all of which came out at the
same time due to EU requirements) - but you have to accept the facts.

Only recently did the EU force OEMs to state the promised full support
lifetime of their operating systems, which is when they published this:
1. Apple === 5 years (up to 1 release)
2. Google === 7 years (up to 7 releases)
3. Samsung === 7 years (up to 7 releases)

Trust me that I understand how desperate you are to deny all facts about
Apple products that you're ignorant of & hence hate - but it's a fact.
>> Plus that includes *multiple* releases
>
> Over the seven years, yes, but there's no mention of *concurrent* support
> for multiple releases. I'd be very, very surprised that they will support
> six versions of the OS at the same thing.

Again, trust me that I understand why you're so desperate to shore up your
crumbling foundation that you felt all along Apple support was the best.

Not the worst (which is what it is - when you look at they actual facts).

Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung
Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to
that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.

In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent
releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today).

While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for
the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.

> > (whereas Apple only fully supports a
>> single release
>
> Incorrect. Over the course of the lifetime of phone it gets multiple fully
> supported releases. Typically 5 or 6.
>
> Just like google/samsung's promise.

Hell, I'm a sensible logical reasonable well-educated intelligent person
Chris, so I get your point that while Appel clearly has never
simultaneously fully supported more than one release at a time - you're
concerned that maybe the (longer) Google/Samsung promise is similar.

I agree with you that we need to see it in writing, since marketing is
rather clever at leading uneducated unintelligent people astray.

So let's leave that as an open question to be resolved in the future.

>> Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
>> above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.
>
> Meaningless. That isn't "full" support as you love to shout about.

Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional
concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages
found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is
of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).

But here's the thing when it comes to who has the worst OS support of all:
Q: Does Android at least fix all known bugs monthly in those packages?
A: Yes.

Q: Does Apple do anything similar?
A: No.

Still, trust me, I feel your desperation to ridicule the fact that Android
has been updating billions of devices monthly for all known bugs in over
two dozen core packages. I really do. It's palpable how desperate you are.

The reason is obvious: You had no idea Apple support was that bad.
Why were you so unaware that Apple has the worst support in the industry?

Because you are a herd animal.
You don't think for yourself.

You only believe what Apple told you.
And Apple never told you that.

>> That has no known EOL date so as far as we know it goes on forever
>
> You're a very funny man. I hope you don't actually believe that.
> <see my snipped urls for the facts >

Heh heh heh... we have very long threads on both the Usenet Android
newsgroup and on the XDA Developers web site where the general consensus is
that Google has not stated any EOL date for the end of Project Mainline.

Even if they did, the fact all the code is donated to the open source
community, by design, indicates even if there were an EOL date in the
future, then the open source community could continue ad infinitum.

Again, I understand why you lied above - because you're desperate to make
all facts I provide to you go away - but your brazen lies just point out
how desperate you are to avoid realizing why Apple has the worst full
hotfix operating system support in the industry.

I feel sorry for you, Chris.
And I mean that.

You're desperate to discount every fact that goes against your purely
religious belief system (which itself, was never based on any facts).

>>> They have been forced to do this as their support of current and older
>>> models has been woeful. Approx 2-3 years was what you could hope for. Even
>>> for flagship models.
>>
>> Bullshit. Android has been fully supporting over two dozen core operating
>> system modules since Android 10 - which is billions of Android phones.
>
> Hahaha! "Fully supporting select services" is laughable.

Again, I feel sorry for you strange religious zealots because you don't
know how any operating systems update, let alone how Apple updates them.

The fact is that all Android 10+ phones, since 2019, have been updating
about two dozen core modules monthly for all bugs that Google knows about.

The only question you need to answer, instead of ridiculing that, is:
Q: Does Apple do this?
A: Yes or no?

In summary, when you understand how Microsoft, Google & Samsung update
their operating systems, you'll eventually realize this is a fact:
*Apple has the worst full operating system support in the industry*

On 2024-07-03, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 2 Jul 2024 15:30:39 GMT :
>
>>> You claim because Apple fixed one bug in an older release, that they
>>> fixed them all
>>
>> I never said that. Yet another lie you can't back up.
>
> I feel sorry for blah blah blah

No cite means you're lying as usual.

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:09 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Simply answer this basic question,
>>
>> You first. Answer my request above.
>
> Heh... heh... heh... Now how did I know you would continue to brazenly lie
> just to get out of answering that simple yes-or-no question, Chris.
>
> You lie so much you are even denying your own words, Chris.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13727&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13727>
> Chris: "there have been 14 major versions. Probably the most 2-3
> recent are supported"
> Chris: "iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several updates this year.
> IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
> nine years old."

All of which is factually correct. Where is the lie?

> Then badgolferman directly calls you out on your brazen lies, Chris.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13728&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13728>
> badgolferman: "Apple admits to only fully supporting the current
> software version (17) with security updates.
> How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?"
>
> To which you continue to brazenly lie to badgolferman's face, Chris.
> <https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=13729&group=misc.phone.mobile.iphone#13729>
> Chris: "You can see that two or three have been updated at the same
> three times this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar.
> Since the release of iOS 17, iOS 16 has received eight updates
> and iOS 15 has received three."

Again, all factually correct. Where's the lie?

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 11:23:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Bullshit. Google & Samsung have been five years published for a while.
>>
>> Nope. Google published theirs in Oct/Nov last year and Samsung earlier this
>> year.
>
> I feel your frantic desperation to deny what the recently published
> statements from Apple/Google/Samsung promise (all of which came out at the
> same time due to EU requirements) - but you have to accept the facts.
>
> Only recently did the EU force OEMs to state the promised full support
> lifetime of their operating systems, which is when they published this:
> 1. Apple === 5 years (up to 1 release)

Actually, using the same definition as Google/Samsung, that's up to 5
releases. Apple releases a new ios every year so five years of support will
provide 5 supported releases.

> 2. Google === 7 years (up to 7 releases)
> 3. Samsung === 7 years (up to 7 releases)
>
> Trust me that I understand how desperate you are to deny all facts about
> Apple products that you're ignorant of & hence hate - but it's a fact.
>
>>> Plus that includes *multiple* releases
>>
>> Over the seven years, yes, but there's no mention of *concurrent* support
>> for multiple releases. I'd be very, very surprised that they will support
>> six versions of the OS at the same thing.
>
> Again, trust me that I understand why you're so desperate to shore up your
> crumbling foundation that you felt all along Apple support was the best.
>
> Not the worst (which is what it is - when you look at they actual facts).
>
> Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung
> Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to
> that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.

Prove it. If they're fully supported, by your definition, they should have
received the same number of patches in the last nine months and covered the
same CVEs.

> In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent
> releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today).
>
> While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for
> the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.

Really? How many global breaches that have affected many multibillion orgs
has windows been responsible for over the last 10 years?

Then compare with macOS.

I'll wait.

>>> (whereas Apple only fully supports a
>>> single release
>>
>> Incorrect. Over the course of the lifetime of phone it gets multiple fully
>> supported releases. Typically 5 or 6.
>>
>> Just like google/samsung's promise.
>
> Hell, I'm a sensible logical reasonable well-educated intelligent person
> Chris, so I get your point that while Appel clearly has never
> simultaneously fully supported more than one release at a time - you're
> concerned that maybe the (longer) Google/Samsung promise is similar.
>
> I agree with you that we need to see it in writing, since marketing is
> rather clever at leading uneducated unintelligent people astray.
>
> So let's leave that as an open question to be resolved in the future.
>
>
>>> Plus Google has been updating *all Android phones* with Android 10 and
>>> above over the Internet for the two dozen core operating system modules.
>>
>> Meaningless. That isn't "full" support as you love to shout about.
>
> Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional
> concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages
> found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is
> of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).

The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.

For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

>> Again, I am eminently logical such that I sympathize with your emotional
>> concerns that fixing all known bugs monthly in dozens of core packages
>> found in billions of Android 10 devices around the world from many OEMs is
>> of no importance to you as an Apple user (because Apple doesn't do that).
>
> The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
> of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
> not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.

I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
"meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.

What you're saying is no different than saying that it's meaningless to
have supplemental insurance on your home or vehicle, simply because the
supplemental insurance isn't complete. This is absurd, Chris.

Not only does Apple have nothing like this monthly supplemental updates to
over two dozen core modules, but Apple didn't even have the concept of a
hotfix patch until the iOS 16, Chris - which shows you how primitive the
Apple monolithic operating system updates are.

In summary, I get it that you consider supplemental insurance meaningless,
just as you consider if I gave you a bonus of $10K every month you'd
consider it meaningless because it's less than your standard salary... but
the fact you consider supplemental protection meaningless is more of a
function of your lack of understanding than anything else.

You're literally desperate to claim Apple does NOT have the worst operating
system bugfix support in the industry - and - well - if you could prove
that, I'd be all ears - but saying it's "meaningless" if I gave you $10K
every month in ADDITION to your full salary, is simply an absurd statement.

You're desperate because you *hate* that the facts are what they are.

Still, let's see what comes of the question I just asked moments ago that
you asked me to nail down the answer to - which I feel is a sensibly
logical question to ask - where I am nothing but logical at all times.

*Do Google/Samsung SIMULTANEOUSLY fully support more than one release at a time?*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=53965&group=comp.mobile.android#53965>

Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Jul 2024 18:39:58 GMT :

> No cite means you're lying as usual.

And yet, I quoted your exact words, and the exact link to your exact words,
complete with the URL and the message ID of your exact words, Jolly Roger.

Still... you're so embarrassed about Apple's hotfix support being the worst
in the industry that you can't bring yourself to answer this simple query.

Q: Does Apple publicly say that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

On 2024-07-03, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 3 Jul 2024 18:39:58 GMT :
>
>> No cite means you're lying as usual.
>
> And yet, I quoted your exact words

Another lie.

> and the exact link to your exact words

Another lie.

> complete with the URL and the message ID of your exact words

Another lie.

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 22:28:13 -0000 (UTC) :
>>> Yes. I understand your concern, but rest assured, for my free Samsung
>>> Galaxy A32-5G for example (which is on 13 but was on 12 and 11 prior to
>>> that), they have *always* fully supported multiple concurrent releases.
>>
>> Prove it. If they're fully supported, by your definition, they should have
>> received the same number of patches in the last nine months and covered the
>> same CVEs.
>
> When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the
> link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.

Why don't you do your own analysis? Like I did with the Apple releases to
show that Apple indeed does actively support multiple releases. It's not
like you have anything else to do.

> What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.
> What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.

I've shown that Apple actively supports iOS 15 onwards. Actions speak
louder than words.

>>> In addition, Microsoft has also clearly fully supported multiple concurrent
>>> releases (e.g., both Windows 11 and Windows 10 are fully supported today).
>>>
>>> While your concern is valid, if we simply compare Microsoft to Apple for
>>> the PC, it's patently obvious M$ full support is far better than Apple's.
>>
>> Really? How many global breaches that have affected many multibillion orgs
>> has windows been responsible for over the last 10 years?
>> Then compare with macOS.
>> I'll wait.
>
> For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

That's not an answer. Take Wannacry it reportedly cost $4bn in damage:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack

How much more damage has Microsoft's buggy software caused? Nothing of that
scale has ever happened with Apple.

>> The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
>> of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
>> not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.
>
> I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
> dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
> "meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.

What does fully supported OS look like to you? (A) Only supporting some
"core services" or (B) actively patching all known vulnerabilities in the
OS?

You seem to be demanding (B) of Apple, but accepting (A) for Android.
That's hardly a fair comparison.

You're the one desperate to push a biased agenda based on your opinions
only.

When you actually look at the facts the differences are minimal. But you're
not really interested in facts only bias affirming opinions.

Chris wrote on Wed, 3 Jul 2024 18:43:20 -0000 (UTC) :

> Again, all factually correct. Where's the lie?

Your lies lay in your abject fear of the answer to this simple query:

Q: Does Apple publish that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Chris wrote on Thu, 4 Jul 2024 07:58:07 -0000 (UTC) :

>> When the link propagates to the Usenet search engines, I will give you the
>> link to the thread that asks directly of Android users your question.
>
> Why don't you do your own analysis? Like I did with the Apple releases to
> show that Apple indeed does actively support multiple releases. It's not
> like you have anything else to do.

Only one word matters, Chris - which is the answer to this simply question:
Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

Chris - I get it that you *hate* that I'm the one who had to break it to
you that Apple was forced by security researchers to admit they have never
in their entire history ever provided full support to more than one
release.

You think I don't understand you strange religious zealots by now Chris?

1. All you religious zealots were blissfully ignorant of that basic fact.
2. Or, all you religious fundamentalists lied for years about that fact.
(Pick one.)

>> What we KNOW is Apple says they do not do SIMULTANEOUS full support.
>> What we want to narrow down is whether Google/Samsung say that, or not.
>
> I've shown that Apple actively supports iOS 15 onwards. Actions speak
> louder than words.

Do you think I don't understand how uneducated children like you act?

You're so completely ignorant of how operating systems are updated that you
don't even realize every operating system vendor will fix a bug once in a
while in any release (particularly if that bug is so egregious as to garner
too much bad publicity).

If you don't think I didn't know you were desperate to weasel out of your
lies, rest assured I realize why you inserted the word "actively" above.

I don't know if you're pissing in your pants in fear, but I do know that
you're desperate to find a way to NOT answer this fundamental question:

Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No

>> For known exploits, the information is all here for you to peruse.
>> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>
> That's not an answer. Take Wannacry it reportedly cost $4bn in damage:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WannaCry_ransomware_attack

Chris, do you think I'm not aware of the whataboutism that all you
religious fundamentalist zealots employ to avoid answering the question?

Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No
> How much more damage has Microsoft's buggy software caused?
> Nothing of that scale has ever happened with Apple.

Just wait until they count up the cost of ransomware inserted using this
exploit in millions of iOS & mac apps over the long period of 10 years.
*Almost every Apple device vulnerable to CocoaPods supply chain attack*
<https://www.theregister.com/2024/07/02/cocoapods_vulns_supply_chain_potential/>

You probably don't even know about this vulnerability - which is classic
because none of you religious zealots ever read what in the news.

>>> The point you're missing is that if android only updates a select handful
>>> of services and leaves the remainder unpatched and vulnerable then that's
>>> not a fully supported OS. And is meaningless in terms of security.
>>
>> I understand why you're so emotionally desperate to claim that updating
>> dozens of core modules for billions of Android phones monthly is
>> "meaningless" in terms of security, we'll just have to disagree on that.
>
> What does fully supported OS look like to you?
> "core services" or (B) actively patching all known vulnerabilities in the
> OS?
>
> You seem to be demanding (B) of Apple, but accepting (A) for Android.
> That's hardly a fair comparison.
>
> You're the one desperate to push a biased agenda based on your opinions
> only.
>
> When you actually look at the facts the differences are minimal. But you're
> not really interested in facts only bias affirming opinions.

Chris. I have had small children. My children have had small children.
My grandchildren just has babies. Stop acting like those small children.

Everyone who has any knowledge whatsoever of computers knows what it means.
I get it that you're desperate to find a flaw.
I get it that you are embarrassed that you were wrong about Apple.

I get it even that you're blissfully unaware that every operating system
vendor will fix a bug or few in older releases when they're really bad.

But fixing one bug and fixing every known bug are two different things.
Apple promises only one thing, Chris - and it's not what you claim it is.

If you can't answer this simple question, then I'm right about you zealots.
Q: Does Apple publicly state that they only fully support a single release?
A: Yes or No