Jolly Roger wrote on 25 May 2024 16:26:08 GMT :

> Most people have no idea how much money $3 trillion actually is.
> Settling these cases isn't nearly as big of a deal as the resident
> trolls want to make it out to be.

It's no longer surprising that the Apple religious zealots claim that
Apple's losing of all these billion-dollar lawsuits is part of Apple's
business plan.

For once, the Apple religious zealots are correct.

It cost Apple a billion dollars for Apple's lies about batteries, which
were so brazen Apple lost every single lawsuit that we know of on that.

Apple secretly throttled iPhones.
Apple secretly backdated the release notes.
Apple brazenly lied about why they did that.
And Apple was forced in the criminal case to publish a mea culpa.

Which Apple did because Apple was guilty of lowering the life of iPhones.

This time, Apple is (as far as I an tell) again brazenly lying.
Time will tell - but it may be yet another lawsuit that Apple loses.

Apple sure does lose a lot of lawsuits, by the way.
All for their unethical behavior.

Fancy that. Who else is shocked that Apple is unethical?

On 2024-05-26, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 25 May 2024 16:26:08 GMT :
>
>> Most people have no idea how much money $3 trillion actually is.
>> Settling these cases isn't nearly as big of a deal as the resident
>> trolls want to make it out to be.
>
> Apple's losing of all these billion-dollar lawsuits

Both sides settled amicably, and Apple admitted no wrongdoing, which
means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
billions of dollars.

The reason Arlen and his little troll gang tell their desperate lies is
because they are hateful little children at heart.

> It cost Apple a billion dollars for Apple's lies about batteries

Nope, and little Arlen here can't prove this "billion dollars" claim,
either. He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
without question.

> Apple lost every single lawsuit that we know of on that.

Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
cases - they were settled.

> Apple secretly throttled iPhones.

Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.

> Apple secretly backdated the release notes.

Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.

> Apple brazenly lied about why they did that.

Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.

> And Apple was forced in the criminal case to publish a mea culpa.

Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.

> Which Apple did because Apple was guilty of lowering the life of
> iPhones.

Nope, this feature doesn't activate until after a device spontaneously
shuts down due to the batter being unable to provide enough current to
power the device, after which the feature prevents spikes in resource
usage (performance), which in turn prevents the device from
spontaneously shutting down, extending runtime. But this is all
elementary and you know it well - you just keep lying about it, because"
troll.

> This time, Apple is (as far as I an tell) again brazenly lying.

If so you would be able to point to evidence showing they are supposedly
lying - but you can't because they aren't. You are the one lying, as
usual, because: troll.

> Apple sure does lose a lot of lawsuits

Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
admitting no wrongdoing.

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It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.

For example:
<https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
"Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries
and Performance Throttling"

*France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
<https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
"HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to
slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."

*Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
<https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
"Under French law, using misleading commercial practices
is a criminal offense."

*Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
<https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
"The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."

*France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
<https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
"Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its
website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the
company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with
iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6�s, as well as the iPhone SE
and iPhone 7."

Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
> Both sides settled amicably...

Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.

> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing...

Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.

> which
> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
> billions of dollars.

The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.
> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
> without question.

Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.

>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>
> Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
> by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
> cases - they were settled.

They had Apple over the legal barrel given how guilty Apple was, so, yeah,
sure, they were happy to get billions of dollars in penalties from Apple.

>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>
> Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.

It's not surprising that you ignorant Apple religious zealots are
completely unaware of the separate lawsuits (which were combined) from
dozens of state attorneys general that Apple also lost, mainly because
Apple got caught separately secretly backdating those release notes.

That one act of secretly backdating the release notes cost Apple millions
of dollars in penalties - which - again - the attorneys general were happy
to amicably extract from Apple given how guilty Apple was in doing that.

>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>
> Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.

And yet, Apple clearly got caught secretly backdating the mention of the
throttling, Jolly Roger. The fact you're unaware of what everyone else is
well aware of (given it was a separate court case) is no longer shocking.

> Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.

It's a separate court case, Jolly Roger. Which you're ignorant of.
>
>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>
> Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
> management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.

Heh heh heh... The French criminal case is well known, Jolly Roger.
It's no longer shocking how ignorant all you Apple religious zealots are.

> Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
> admitting no wrongdoing.

It's no longer shocking that you Apple religious zealots think paying over
a billion dollars in penalties means Apple did nothing wrong, Jolly Roger.

On 2024-05-27 13:42, Andrew wrote:
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
> here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
> ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
> else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.
>
> For example:
> <https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
> "Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
> Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries
> and Performance Throttling"

So...

....not a loss...

....and much less than a billion.

>
> *France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
> <https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
> "HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to
> slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."

So...

....not a loss.

>
> *Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
> <https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
> "Under French law, using misleading commercial practices
> is a criminal offense."

So...

....not even another case.

>
> *Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
> "The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
> a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
> deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."

So...

....not even another case.

>
> *France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
> <https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
> "Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its
> website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the
> company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
> practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with
> iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6�s, as well as the iPhone SE
> and iPhone 7."

So...

....not even another case.

> Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
>> Both sides settled amicably...
>
> Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
> could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.

Yet all you've shown is $127 million.

>
>> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing...
>
> Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
> was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.
>
>> which
>> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
>> billions of dollars.
>
> The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.

Yet all you've shown is $127 million.

>> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
>> without question.
>
> Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.

Yet all you've shown is $127 million.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
> here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
> ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
> else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.
>
> For example:
> <https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
> "Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
> Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries
> and Performance Throttling"
>
> *France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
> <https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
> "HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to
> slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."
>
> *Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
> <https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
> "Under French law, using misleading commercial practices
> is a criminal offense."
>
> *Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
> "The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
> a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
> deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."
>
> *France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
> <https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
> "Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its
> website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the
> company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
> practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with
> iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6ขs, as well as the iPhone SE
> and iPhone 7."
>
> Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
>> Both sides settled amicably...
>
> Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
> could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.
>
>> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing...
>
> Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
> was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.
>
>> which
>> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
>> billions of dollars.
>
> The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.
>
>> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
>> without question.
>
> Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.
>
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>
>> Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
>> by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
>> cases - they were settled.
>
> They had Apple over the legal barrel given how guilty Apple was, so, yeah,
> sure, they were happy to get billions of dollars in penalties from Apple.
>
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>
>> Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.
>
> It's not surprising that you ignorant Apple religious zealots are
> completely unaware of the separate lawsuits (which were combined) from
> dozens of state attorneys general that Apple also lost, mainly because
> Apple got caught separately secretly backdating those release notes.
>
> That one act of secretly backdating the release notes cost Apple millions
> of dollars in penalties - which - again - the attorneys general were happy
> to amicably extract from Apple given how guilty Apple was in doing that.
>
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>
>> Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.
>
> And yet, Apple clearly got caught secretly backdating the mention of the
> throttling, Jolly Roger. The fact you're unaware of what everyone else is
> well aware of (given it was a separate court case) is no longer shocking.
>
>> Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.
>
> It's a separate court case, Jolly Roger. Which you're ignorant of.
>>
>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>
>> Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
>> management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.
>
> Heh heh heh... The French criminal case is well known, Jolly Roger.
> It's no longer shocking how ignorant all you Apple religious zealots are.
>
>> Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
>> admitting no wrongdoing.
>
> It's no longer shocking that you Apple religious zealots think paying over
> a billion dollars in penalties means Apple did nothing wrong, Jolly Roger.
>

If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
government and looking guilty.

On 2024-05-27 15:05, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
>> here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
>> ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
>> else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.
>>
>> For example:
>> <https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
>> "Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
>> Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries
>> and Performance Throttling"
>>
>> *France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
>> <https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
>> "HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to
>> slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."
>>
>> *Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
>> <https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
>> "Under French law, using misleading commercial practices
>> is a criminal offense."
>>
>> *Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
>> "The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
>> a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
>> deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."
>>
>> *France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
>> <https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
>> "Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its
>> website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the
>> company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
>> practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with
>> iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6ขs, as well as the iPhone SE
>> and iPhone 7."
>>
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
>>> Both sides settled amicably...
>>
>> Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
>> could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.
>>
>>> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing...
>>
>> Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
>> was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.
>>
>>> which
>>> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
>>> billions of dollars.
>>
>> The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.
>>
>>> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
>>> without question.
>>
>> Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
>>> by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
>>> cases - they were settled.
>>
>> They had Apple over the legal barrel given how guilty Apple was, so, yeah,
>> sure, they were happy to get billions of dollars in penalties from Apple.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.
>>
>> It's not surprising that you ignorant Apple religious zealots are
>> completely unaware of the separate lawsuits (which were combined) from
>> dozens of state attorneys general that Apple also lost, mainly because
>> Apple got caught separately secretly backdating those release notes.
>>
>> That one act of secretly backdating the release notes cost Apple millions
>> of dollars in penalties - which - again - the attorneys general were happy
>> to amicably extract from Apple given how guilty Apple was in doing that.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.
>>
>> And yet, Apple clearly got caught secretly backdating the mention of the
>> throttling, Jolly Roger. The fact you're unaware of what everyone else is
>> well aware of (given it was a separate court case) is no longer shocking.
>>
>>> Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.
>>
>> It's a separate court case, Jolly Roger. Which you're ignorant of.
>>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
>>> management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.
>>
>> Heh heh heh... The French criminal case is well known, Jolly Roger.
>> It's no longer shocking how ignorant all you Apple religious zealots are.
>>
>>> Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
>>> admitting no wrongdoing.
>>
>> It's no longer shocking that you Apple religious zealots think paying over
>> a billion dollars in penalties means Apple did nothing wrong, Jolly Roger.
>>
>
> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
> government and looking guilty.
>

And this is proof of what?

That Apple disagrees with you?

That Apple clearly feels having such stories go away quickly is better?

On 2024-05-27, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>
>> [a bunch of bullshit that doesn't prove his bullshit assertions]
>
> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean

And that's why you'll never be as successful.

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badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> It's no longer shocking how ignorant the Apple religious zealots are, so
>> here are just a few search terms for all the cases Apple lost that the
>> ignorant Apple religious zealots haven't heard about - but which everyone
>> else knows about since every one was discussed in this very newsgroup.
>>
>> For example:
>> <https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-becerra-announces-113-million-multistate-settlement-against>
>> "Attorney General Becerra Announces $113 Million Multistate
>> Settlement Against Apple for Misrepresenting iPhone Batteries
>> and Performance Throttling"
>>
>> *France: Watchdog Agency Fines Apple for Deceitful Practice*
>> <https://www.loc.gov/item/global-legal-monitor/2020-02-28/france-watchdog-agency-fines-apple-for-deceitful-practice/>
>> "HOP accused Apple of intentionally causing older iPhone models to
>> slow down in order to push owners to replace them with newer models."
>>
>> *Apple Settles with French Authorities over 25 Million Fine*
>> <https://www.jonesday.com/en/insights/2020/03/apple-settles-with-french-authorities-over-25-mill>
>> "Under French law, using misleading commercial practices
>> is a criminal offense."
>>
>> *Apple pays out over claims it deliberately slowed down iPhones*
>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-67911517>
>> "The US case dates back to December 2017, when Apple confirmed
>> a long-held suspicion among phone owners by admitting it had
>> deliberately (and secretly!) slowed down some iPhones."
>>
>> *France hits Apple with $27 million fine over the battery issue *
>> <https://bgr.com/tech/iphone-battery-life-leads-to-27-million-fine-against-apple-in-france/>
>> "Along with the fine, the agency is also compelling Apple on its
>> website in France to display a notice telling consumers that the
>> company has been found to have engaged in deceptive commercial
>> practice by omission regarding the software updates starting with
>> iOS 10.2.1 that throttled iPhone 6ขs, as well as the iPhone SE
>> and iPhone 7."
>>
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 26 May 2024 18:50:00 GMT :
>>> Both sides settled amicably...
>>
>> Since Apple was guilty, a billion dollars in penalties was the best they
>> could get, so, yeah, sure, I'd be amicable if I got a billion from Apple.
>>
>>> and Apple admitted no wrongdoing...
>>
>> Ah, but Apple did in the French criminal case where part of the agreement
>> was Apple had to publicly admit they were sorry for a month, Jolly ROger.
>>
>>> which
>>> means Apple lost none of them. Also, none of these law suits were for
>>> billions of dollars.
>>
>> The total is well over billions of dollars that Apple lost, Jolly Roger.
>>
>>> He just blurts it out and expects gullible morons to swallow it
>>> without question.
>>
>> Apple's losses in recent lawsuits is well over billions of dollars.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope. The overwhelming majority of these lawsuits were settled amicably
>>> by both sides, with Apple admitting no wrongdoing - nobody lost those
>>> cases - they were settled.
>>
>> They had Apple over the legal barrel given how guilty Apple was, so, yeah,
>> sure, they were happy to get billions of dollars in penalties from Apple.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, Apple mentioned the power management feature in the release notes.
>>
>> It's not surprising that you ignorant Apple religious zealots are
>> completely unaware of the separate lawsuits (which were combined) from
>> dozens of state attorneys general that Apple also lost, mainly because
>> Apple got caught separately secretly backdating those release notes.
>>
>> That one act of secretly backdating the release notes cost Apple millions
>> of dollars in penalties - which - again - the attorneys general were happy
>> to amicably extract from Apple given how guilty Apple was in doing that.
>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, the release notes are public, right on their website.
>>
>> And yet, Apple clearly got caught secretly backdating the mention of the
>> throttling, Jolly Roger. The fact you're unaware of what everyone else is
>> well aware of (given it was a separate court case) is no longer shocking.
>>
>>> Nope, and you can't cite this supposed lie, because it doesn't exist.
>>
>> It's a separate court case, Jolly Roger. Which you're ignorant of.
>>>
>>>> [1 quoted line suppressed]
>>>
>>> Nope, there were no criminal cases resulting from this performance
>>> management feature which still exists in every iPhone sold today.
>>
>> Heh heh heh... The French criminal case is well known, Jolly Roger.
>> It's no longer shocking how ignorant all you Apple religious zealots are.
>>
>>> Nope, untrue. Apple settles a lot of them amicably though - while
>>> admitting no wrongdoing.
>>
>> It's no longer shocking that you Apple religious zealots think paying over
>> a billion dollars in penalties means Apple did nothing wrong, Jolly Roger.
>>
>
> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
> government and looking guilty.
>

Information about apple's lawsuits is not needed, and nobody wants it.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
> government and looking guilty.

Remember civil suits in the US aren't about right or wrong, but about
persuasion. Can you persuade the jury/judge not to find against you?

Also fighting a court case is long-winded, expensive and completely outside
of your control.

Paying off frivolous lawsuits is a running cost of large business in the
US.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
>> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
>> government and looking guilty.
>
> Remember civil suits in the US aren't about right or wrong, but about
> persuasion. Can you persuade the jury/judge not to find against you?
>
> Also fighting a court case is long-winded, expensive and completely outside
> of your control.
>
> Paying off frivolous lawsuits is a running cost of large business in the
> US.
>
>

You assume the cases against Apple are frivolous, because well, Apple can’t
be doing anything unethical. As we have seen with the battery issue, Apple
is fully capable of being unethical and taking advantage of consumers. The
consumer and tax payer is always the one getting screwed.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
>>> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
>>> government and looking guilty.
>>
>> Remember civil suits in the US aren't about right or wrong, but about
>> persuasion. Can you persuade the jury/judge not to find against you?
>>
>> Also fighting a court case is long-winded, expensive and completely outside
>> of your control.
>>
>> Paying off frivolous lawsuits is a running cost of large business in the
>> US.
>>
>>
>
> You assume the cases against Apple are frivolous,

Many will be, but not all.

> because well, Apple can’t
> be doing anything unethical.

No-one is claiming that. Being sued lots doesn't imply anything other than
you're nice juicy target.

What large company would you deem as "ethical"?

> As we have seen with the battery issue, Apple
> is fully capable of being unethical and taking advantage of consumers.

How was it unethical? They made a decision which they thought was a benefit
to users: stop the phone crashing. They should have managed it better and
perhaps done it differently. It wasn't unethical IMO.

> The
> consumer and tax payer is always the one getting screwed.

Americans prefer small government and this is the consequence. Shareholders
and the bottom line is prioritised over customers. Don't like it? Vote
differently.

On 2024-05-28 03:06, badgolferman wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be paying
>>> lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than giving it to the
>>> government and looking guilty.
>>
>> Remember civil suits in the US aren't about right or wrong, but about
>> persuasion. Can you persuade the jury/judge not to find against you?
>>
>> Also fighting a court case is long-winded, expensive and completely outside
>> of your control.
>>
>> Paying off frivolous lawsuits is a running cost of large business in the
>> US.
>>
>>
>
> You assume the cases against Apple are frivolous, because well, Apple can’t
> be doing anything unethical. As we have seen with the battery issue, Apple
> is fully capable of being unethical and taking advantage of consumers. The
> consumer and tax payer is always the one getting screwed.
>

You assume they're not.

As for the battery issue, you're merely asserting Apple's actions were
done with malice.

On 2024-05-28, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> If I was innocent of wrong doing and had all that money, I’d be
>>> paying lawyers to keep my name and reputation clean, rather than
>>> giving it to the government and looking guilty.
>>
>> Remember civil suits in the US aren't about right or wrong, but about
>> persuasion. Can you persuade the jury/judge not to find against you?
>>
>> Also fighting a court case is long-winded, expensive and completely
>> outside of your control.
>>
>> Paying off frivolous lawsuits is a running cost of large business in
>> the US.
>
> You assume the cases against Apple are frivolous

In the case of iPhone throttling, no assumption is needed - those cases
are indeed frivolous, as has been explained to your little troll gang
repeatedly right here in this news group. Your rejection of facts
doesn't change reality, no matter how many times you lie about it.

> Apple can’t be doing anything unethical

Nobody but you trolls have uttered those words here.

> As we have seen with the battery issue, Apple is fully capable of
> being unethical and taking advantage of consumers. The consumer and
> tax payer is always the one getting screwed.

More lies. As has been explained to you numerous times, Apple's
throttling feature doesn't activate until after an iPhone experiences a
spontaneous shutdown due to the battery being unable to provide
sufficient power, after which the feature prevents spikes in
resource/power usage to prolong runtime on devices with dying batteries.
Nobody "got screwed" by this feature.

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