Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :

>> religious zealots
>
> Ad hominem projection.

Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've provided him
and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on end, Jolly Roger.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*

QUESTION:
Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?
--
Hint: You ignorant uneducated Apple religious zealots will deny every fact
above but the fact is the cites were provided extremely many times to you.

Andrew wrote:

>Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :
>
>>> religious zealots
>>
>> Ad hominem projection.
>
>Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've
>provided him and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on
>end, Jolly Roger.
>
>FACT:
> *Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*
>
>FACT:
> *Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*
>
>FACT:
> *Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
>
>FACT:
> *Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
>
>QUESTION:
> Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?

Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
little chance they would stop using Apple products. What do you hope
to accomplish by providing all this information?

badgolferman wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 17:23:26 -0000 (UTC) :
> Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
> little chance they would stop using Apple products. What do you hope
> to accomplish by providing all this information?

I simply expect them to act like adults (instead of like children).
Is that too much to ask of them?

Note that the posters on the adult operating systems newsgroups can act
like adults when facts of the mothership are stated. Why not Apple too?

And to answer this simple question that they never asked themselves:
Q: *Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?*

As for the facts, they can't deny them - simply because they are facts.
Only fools deny facts (that's why they're fools, after all).

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release.*
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android.*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
"The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
*We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
*iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
*or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*."

See also:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2016/02/15/what-apple-did-and-didnt-say-about-its-software-quality/>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>
<https://www.axios.com/2018/01/30/scoop-apple-delays-ios-features-to-focus-on-reliability-performance-1517278421>
etc.

On 2024-05-20, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :
>
>>> religious zealots
>>
>> Ad hominem projection.
>
> Apple religious zealots

More ad hominem projection.

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JR

On 2024-05-20 17:23:26 +0000, badgolferman said:

> Andrew wrote:
>
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :
>>
>>>> religious zealots
>>>
>>> Ad hominem projection.
>>
>> Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've
>> provided him and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on
>> end, Jolly Roger.
>>
>> FACT:
>> *Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*
>>
>> FACT:
>> *Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*
>>
>> FACT:
>> *Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
>>
>> FACT:
>> *Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
>>
>> QUESTION:
>> Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?
>
> Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
> little chance they would stop using Apple products. What do you hope
> to accomplish by providing all this information?

It's not "information" ... it's more of the same old MISinformation and
complete bollocks by an idiotic known-nothing anti-Apple troll. Just
killfile the idiot every time he changes his posting name.

Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-05-20 17:23:26 +0000, badgolferman said:
>
>> Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 15:27:31 GMT :
>>>
>>>>> religious zealots
>>>>
>>>> Ad hominem projection.
>>>
>>> Chris asked for the facts, and I gave him the same facts I've
>>> provided him and you and all the Apple religious zealots for years on
>>> end, Jolly Roger.
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> *Apple only fully supports a single release. Period.*
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> *Apple always has far more exploits than does Android. Period.*
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> *Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> *Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
>>>
>>> QUESTION:
>>> Why do you think iPhones have more 0-days & exploits than Android?
>>
>> Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
>> little chance they would stop using Apple products.  What do you hope
>> to accomplish by providing all this information?
>
> It's not "information" ... it's more of the same old MISinformation and
> complete bollocks by an idiotic known-nothing anti-Apple troll. Just
> killfile the idiot every time he changes his posting name.
>

He sure starts a lot of iQuarrels.

On Mon, 20 May 2024 14:42:55 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

> Yet again, I will answer assuming you own adult comprehensive skills.

Arlen continously makes posts that sound like an angsty teenager.

Arlen darlin, please stop nymshifting so you stay put in
my killfile. kthx.

--
-c

Hank Rogers wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 18:36:53 -0500 :

>>> Even if anyone in this group accepted all these, there would be very
>>> little chance they would stop using Apple products.� What do you hope
>>> to accomplish by providing all this information?
>>
>> It's not "information" ... it's more of the same old MISinformation and
>> complete bollocks by an idiotic known-nothing anti-Apple troll. Just
>> killfile the idiot every time he changes his posting name.
>>
>
> He sure starts a lot of iQuarrels.

It's relevant that you can mention a bug on the adult operating system
newsgroups & they don't turn into a defense of the mothership at any cost.

Jolly Roger wrote on 20 May 2024 22:35:22 GMT :

> More ad hominem projection.

The fact is that Apple only fully supports a single OS version.

That's the worst operating system support in the industry, JR.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 20 May 2024 09:43:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 17:12:35 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
>>>>> "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
>>>>> referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
>>>>> in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
>>>>> media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
>>>>
>>>> But does it patch every exploit in android which is what you claim Apple
>>>> does do? Having lots of updates on *some* things is pointless.
>>>
>>> Chris,
>>
>> Answer the question.
>
> I responded to every one of your questions,

You do respond (not always), but you rarely answer.

> Chris (see below), as if
> you own the same adult capacity to comprehend details as I do, Chris.
>
> In addition, after I spent a while documenting the answers for you,
> Chris - which I expect you to read and understand every cite below
> before responding, I posed a question for you in the last line of
> this missive. *Please see the last line for a question for you.*

Posting a list of links for the reader to reach a conclusion from is not an
answer.

> Just as Microsoft doesn't patch Firefox bugs, Android has a system for
> updating all the apps (it's part of the Google Play Store setup, Chris).
>
> Just as Microsoft has a monthly Patch Tuesday, Android has a monthly patch
> of every single Android device on the Internet (older than version 4.4).

Yet, major app developers choose to not support such versions of Android
because it isn't secure.

> And for platform specific bugs, Samsung and Google have full support for
> seven years now

From now, yes, but currently in use models will still only get 3-4 years.
Which is less than iphones.

>
> Do you understand any of that, Chris?

You don't understand the question.

>>>> Many apps also won't be updated if they're on old versions of android. So
>>>> again partially patching android 4.4 is pointless.
>>>
>>> What you do not understand is the non-Google apps are updated separately.
>>
>> I absolutely know that, which is exactly the point. Non- google apps refuse
>> to update their apps on obsolete versions of android. So Google supposedly
>> updating some parts of Android 4.4 is a waste of time.
>
> Again, I will speak with you as if you're an adult, Chris.
> Even though this has been explained on this group umpteen times already.
>
> All non-Google apps are updated by their developers, Chris.
> Just like non-Apple apps are updated by their developers, Chris.
>
> The non-Google apps are automatically updated, by default, on Android, by
> the Google Play Store update mechanism.

Not if they're on too old versions of android.

>>
>> Answer the question. Is the frequency of android updates a good thing?
>
> Yet again,

You've answered nothing.

>> I have shown you the evidence several times. The fact you chose to snip it
>> rather address it, speaks volumes regarding your wilful ignorance.
>
> Chris,
>
> This is why I call you Apple religious zealots what I call you.
>
> I answered all your questions so many times

No you haven't. Responding with verbatim repetition of your garbage is not
an "answer".

>> The evidence is two-fold: 1) Apple updates older versions of ios very
>> regularly, 2) ios support of older hardware is *years* longer than Google
>> or Samsung. Their new policies will only come into reality i'm a few years.
>
> Read the references, Chris. These are facts. Not trolls.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
>
> You live in the past. That last thing you heard about Apple was from Jobs.
>
>>>>> The fact is Apple only fully supports one release only.
>>>>> No other operating system vendor has support that sucks that bad.
>>>>
>>>> It's an acceptable model when all supported hardware can run the most OS.
>>>> You wouldn't expect anyone to keep a 386 up-to-date? Maybe you would.
>>>
>>
>> Answer the question!
>
> One more time I'm going to respond to you as if you're an adult.
> That means you need to read and undersand the response, Chris.
>
> If you can't do that, you don't own adult comprehensive skills, Chris.
> Especially for someone who claims to have a PhD in the life sciences.
>
> My Windows desktop was built in 2009 and it's still running a fully
> supported operating system that has all known bugs patched, Chris.

Yet again you're not answering the question. Should MS keep supporting a
386?