On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Because you are one.
>
> And yet, [more trolling ignored]

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Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:48 GMT :

>> And yet, [more trolling ignored]

You call every fact you are ignorant of about Apple, a troll.

No matter how much you ignorant uneducated religious zealots
lie about how Apple releases its software, I know more than you.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

REFERENCES:
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

It's no longer shocking you religious zealots don't even know
how Apple supports its releases (nor how Android does it better).

Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:24 GMT :

> Straight to ad hominem, as usual.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

REFERENCES:
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:48 GMT :
>
>>> And yet, [more trolling ignored]

[more trolling ignored]

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On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 19:41:24 GMT :
>
>> Straight to ad hominem, as usual.

[more trolling ignored]

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Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:26:23 GMT :

> [more trolling ignored]

You do not know how iOS updates.
And you do not know how Android updates.

Facts.

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Not only do Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger, but
Google has been updating _all_ Android phones over version 4.4 for years!

Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :

> [more trolling ignored]

Facts.

The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

Don't you think there's a reason iPhones are the most exploited
phones in history and not Android, Jolly Roger?

Does it ever occur to you that Pegasus has never attacked the
Android kernel and yet it constantly attacks Apple's kernel?

There's a reason I say "to own an iPhone is to already be exploited".

On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 23:25:59 GMT :
>
>> [more trolling ignored]
>
> [more trolling ignored]

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 06:39:32 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Rather than use pointless anecdotes, including my iphone XR from 2019 which
>> has had 5 full upgrades and is still fully supported, let's look at the
>> facts shall we?
>> https://endoflife.date/iphone
>> Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus
>> Released: Sep 2015
>> No. major updates: 6
>
>
> Chris,

Talk about completely whooshing the point. Do you even read?

> You're supposed to have a PhD for God's sake (according to you anyway).
> That means you're supposed to understand the difference between the
> current release and all other releases.
>
> C'mon. It's not that hard, Chris. *The current release for iOS is iOS 17*.
>
> FACT:
> *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

Not fact.

Apple can only fully support currently implemented architectures.

The fact is Apple does update 17, 16 & 15 regularly.

> REFERENCES:
> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

That last arsetechnica article makes an invalid point in comparing two 5
year old computers and claims the mac would have to be junked due to
company policy due to to no more support. What it forgets is that companies
have policies of refreshing hardware on a 3, 4, 5 year cycle anyway
regardless of whether it's supported or not.

A 5 year old PC will be on its knees as well.

Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :

>> [more trolling ignored]

Facts.

The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Apple only fully supports one release and one release only.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

In addition, for billions of Android devices, Google has been updating
_all_ of those over version 4.4 for years! Monthly.

Yup. Monthly.
<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

It's so seamless, most Android users don't even know it.

Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :

> Talk about completely whooshing the point. Do you even read?

Chris,

People like you are why I say the things I do about Apple zealots.
Badgolferman is an adult - he would never say the lies you just said.

I have one advantage over all of you religious zealots, and it precisely
that I'm not stupid - where I'm calling you out on your lies about support.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

>> FACT:
>> *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*
>
> Not fact.

If you think Apple fully supports more than one release, Chris,
then it's you who didn't read any of the cites I provided, one of which is
from Apple which badgolferman read and quoted, which refutes your claim.

Since it _is_ fact, I posit you didn't understand the cite.

FACT:
Apple only fully supports one release and Apple clearly says that.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

> Apple can only fully support currently implemented architectures.
> The fact is Apple does update 17, 16 & 15 regularly.

Chris... there's no way you have a PhD if you can't comprehend that every
operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every
release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every
bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.

The fact you can't comprehend facts is why I say what I say about you.
I've never met people as incomprehensible as you Chris in my entire life.

Only on this Apple newsgroup are people who can't comprehend facts.
Even facts that Apple publicly stated are facts.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

>
>> REFERENCES:
>> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
>> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
>> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
>
> That last arsetechnica article makes an invalid point in comparing two 5
> year old computers and claims the mac would have to be junked due to
> company policy due to to no more support. What it forgets is that companies
> have policies of refreshing hardware on a 3, 4, 5 year cycle anyway
> regardless of whether it's supported or not.

The fact remains that only Apple fully supports only one release, Chris.
That's just a fact.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

> A 5 year old PC will be on its knees as well.

That's a ridiculously absurd assessment Chris.

My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full
operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.

So you're wrong again.

People like you are why I say the things I do about Apple zealots.
Badgolferman is an adult - he would never say the lies you just said.

On 2024-05-15, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 15 May 2024 02:45:24 GMT :
>
>>> [more trolling ignored]
>
> Facts.
>
> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.

Nope, that's not a fact.

Bye now.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :

>> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
>
> Nope, that's not a fact.

You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

However, I understand why you think it's not a fact, which is your whole
experience with Apple has been Apple telling you it's never exploited.

Just like Ashley Madison told the customers they were safe when they
weren't, Apple is no different than they were, Jolly Roger.

The sad fact is the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

On 2024-05-16, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 16 May 2024 01:56:17 GMT :
>
>>> The iPhone is exploited over ten times more than Android is.
>>
>> Nope, that's not a fact.
>
> You don't like that fact but it's still a fact, Jolly Roger.
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

As is so often the case, your lie is as weak as your intellect. On that
list:

- iOS has 131 exploited vulnerabilities
- Android has 16 exploited vulnerabilities
- Google has 57 exploited vulnerabilities
- Samsung has 11 exploited vulnerabilities

So the Android operating system combined with the most popular Android
web browser combined with the most popular smartphone brand (Samsung)
comes out to 84 exploited vulnerabilities. And we haven't even included
the rest of the popular Android smartphone brands or alternative web
browsers.

Total iPhone: 131
Total Android: 84

Your "exploited over ten times more" claim doesn't stand up to scrutiny,
which is par for the course for your claims which always exaggerate (and
often just fabricate) so-called "facts" to align with your
zealotry-driven anti-Apple slant.

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Jolly Roger wrote:

>Total iPhone: 131
>Total Android: 84

Isn't that bad enough?

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On 2024-05-16, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Total iPhone: 131
>> Total Android: 84
>
> Isn't that bad enough?

It's not "ten times more". You support Arlen's lies because they align
with your bias, but that doesn't make them "facts".

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Wed, 15 May 2024 14:55:58 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Talk about completely whooshing the point. Do you even read?
>
> Chris,

Arlen - not sure why that nym of yours stuck?

You don't even respond to people's point. You just repeat the same verbal
diarrhoea on the same single narrow, boring thing.

>
> People like you are why I say the things I do about Apple zealots.
> Badgolferman is an adult - he would never say the lies you just said.
>
> I have one advantage over all of you religious zealots, and it precisely
> that I'm not stupid - where I'm calling you out on your lies about support.
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>
>>> FACT:
>>> *Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*
>>
>> Not fact.
>
> If you think Apple fully supports more than one release, Chris,
> then it's you who didn't read any of the cites I provided, one of which is
> from Apple which badgolferman read and quoted, which refutes your claim.
>
> Since it _is_ fact, I posit you didn't understand the cite.

You're obsessing on the word "fully" which is open to interpretation as I
posted to badgolferman the other day.

Now, I do admit that Apple could be much more explicit by what it means
like Google and Samsung have done recently.

The *evidence* does remain that in the last year the three most recent ios
versions are updated constantly.

> FACT:
> Apple only fully supports one release and Apple clearly says that.
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>
>> Apple can only fully support currently implemented architectures.
>> The fact is Apple does update 17, 16 & 15 regularly.
>
> Chris... there's no way you have a PhD if you can't comprehend that every
> operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every
> release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every
> bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
> states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
> the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.

What we don't know is why? For example, not all win11 bugs will update in
win10 because they are different oses.

>> That last arsetechnica article makes an invalid point in comparing two 5
>> year old computers and claims the mac would have to be junked due to
>> company policy due to to no more support. What it forgets is that companies
>> have policies of refreshing hardware on a 3, 4, 5 year cycle anyway
>> regardless of whether it's supported or not.
>
> The fact remains that only Apple fully supports only one release, Chris.
> That's just a fact.
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
>
>> A 5 year old PC will be on its knees as well.
>
> That's a ridiculously absurd assessment Chris.
>
> My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
> built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full
> operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.

Like every corporation allows their employers to build their own high spec
PC. lol, no.

In the real world, employees all get a std base spec laptop or mini PC.
They are shit and struggle to last more than a few years.

I have a small team of specialists and in the last couple of years 2 or 3
have had to have their HP laptops repaired or replaced.

> So you're wrong again.

Nope. You don't live in the same world as most.

badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :

>>Total iPhone: 131
>>Total Android: 84
>
> Isn't that bad enough?

Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

I apologize.
Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.

While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

As with Ashley Madison, Apple only says you're safer - but you're not.

Chris wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:13:48 -0000 (UTC) :

> You don't even respond to people's point. You just repeat the same verbal
> diarrhoea on the same single narrow, boring thing.

Chris,

I'm logical. I based my assessments on documented facts.
Not Apple advertisements.

In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
I said that is a lie.

And I provided proof it is a lie.
The fact remains that only Apple fully supports only one release, Chris.

FACT:
*Apple fully supports only one major release on all is iOS & PC products*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

> You're obsessing on the word "fully" which is open to interpretation as I
> posted to badgolferman the other day.

Heh heh heh... and you wonder why I claim you zealots are what they are.
Every article explains the "fully" Chris. It's pretty simple you know.

Fully means that Apple patches EVERY SINGLE VULNERABILITY IT KNOWS ABOUT.

> Now, I do admit that Apple could be much more explicit by what it means
> like Google and Samsung have done recently.

Here I fully agree with you, Chris. Apple is clever. They want people to be
confused by that document, which, mind you, Apple was *forced* to publish.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

If you ask me where I found out that Apple was *forced* to publish it,
make sure you read these first before asking me why I say that happened.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

> The *evidence* does remain that in the last year the three most recent ios
> versions are updated constantly.

It's good that you're looking at facts, Chris, as I posit that most of the
Apple zealots only get their "news" about Apple from Apple's advertising.

And Apple is never going to advertise that Google said that much of the iOS
code could never have been tested at all, let alone the lack of coverage.

We discussed the fact that Apple doesn't sufficiently test their code, and
that it was proven many times that Apple _never_ tested much of the code.
(Remember the Facetime fiasco, for example?)

Since Apple's QA is atrocious (even Craig Federighi said so in leaked
internal emails, Chris - which we covered in the past) it's no wonder that
Apple always has more than 1.5 times the exploits that Android has.

The fact is you will never see Apple advertise the facts about its lack of
testing for iOS (remember the battery issues of years ago, Chris?).

Anyone who gets ALL their information about Apple ONLY from Apple
advertisements, is likely to be turned into a zealot over time because
everyone else who reads the news will tell them a truth they won't like.

>> every
>> operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every
>> release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every
>> bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
>> states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
>> the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.
>
> What we don't know is why? For example, not all win11 bugs will update in
> win10 because they are different oses.

Unfortunately, you do not understand what it means to be fully patched.
Ask badgolferman. He is an adult. He understood the instant he read the
articles I had provided (which you show no evidence of having read).

Currently Windows 10 and Windows 11 are fully supported (AFAIK).
1. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win10 are patched.
2. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win11 are patched.
3. Often they're the same bugs and the same patch - but not always.

Mind you there can be Chrome-caused bugs in Windows also, such as this bug
I had dutifully reported to the Windows newsgroup a few days ago.

And there can be Apple-caused bugs in Windows also, such as this iTunes bug
I had reported to the Windows newsgroup a few days ago.
*Nasty zero-day in Chrome*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=78997&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#78997>

*Apple Addresses Critical Security Vulnerability For Windows 10 & 11 Users*
<https://www.novabbs.com/computers/article-flat.php?id=79031&group=alt.comp.os.windows-10#79031>

What I've noticed about the Apple zealots is that they don't understand how
Apple systems update, nor how other systems update, and yet they argue
endlessly based only on their knowledge coming from Apple marketing ads.

Also note that only on Apple newsgroups do zealots rise up to defend the
mothership to the death - but they don't understand anything about Apple.

They claim I only talk about Apple bugs, but I report bugs on all the
operating systems. The zealots are simply defending Apple to the death.

They only know Apple advertised that they're "safer" on Apple products.
Which is a lie.

>> My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
>> built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full
>> operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.
>
> Like every corporation allows their employers to build their own high spec
> PC. lol, no.

When I was in the corporate world in the Silicon Valley, as a technical
kind of guy, I had RedHat and Windows desktops and laptops for my use.

They were replaced roughly about every two years, as I recall.
They even replaced my keyboard and mouse and monitors as frequently.

Even my desk and chair were changed around every few years.
But the corporate world is different than the home market Chris.

On my 2009 PC, I've replaced two RAM sticks (which had memory errors),
and I've swapped out the graphics card with my kid whom I bought a more
powerful card for, & I took his power supply since he needed a more
powerful power supply with a ton of connections his didn't at first have.

And that's about it for modifications since 2009 and it works fine for me.

Oh, and this is important when you compare with Apple's crappy support...

FACT:
Every single operating system upgrade since 2009 has been free and
better yet, every single one was fully supported and even better than
that, the current operating system is fully supported by Microsoft.

That's part of why I can assess that Apple support is the worst in the
industry, Chris - which is something that Apple never advertises.

So you need to get your news outside of Apple's brilliant advertising
as Apple's bugfix support is actually the worst in the industry, Chris.

On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Total iPhone: 131
>>> Total Android: 84
>>
>> Isn't that bad enough?
>
> Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times more
> than is Android, so I stand corrected (last I had checked, admittedly a
> while ago, it was much higher). I agree it's not ten times more.

Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it is...

>
> I apologize.
> Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple products' safety.
>
> While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily, as
> far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than does
> Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises these facts.

But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
times" as many...

....so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't we?

Andrew wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 16:15:49 -0000 (UTC) :

> In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
> I said that is a lie.

fully

On 2024-05-17, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-05-17 08:33, Andrew wrote:
>> badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 16:44:46 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Total iPhone: 131
>>>> Total Android: 84
>>>
>>> Isn't that bad enough?
>>
>> Using those numbers the iPhone is *currently* exploited 1.64 times
>> more than is Android

Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
in the equation.

> Or the whole thing is a lot more nuanced than you'd like to pretend it
> is...
>>
>> I apologize. Thanks to Jolly Roger for stating the truth about Apple
>> products' safety.
>>
>> While the numbers of known exploits can and will change almost daily,
>> as far as I've seen, the iPhone _always_ has far more exploits than
>> does Android - where my main point is that Apple never advertises
>> these facts.
>
> But yesterday, "as far as [you'd] seen", you were claiming it was "ten
> times" as many...
>
> ...so we know a lot about how much to trust your conclusions, don't
> we?

His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :

> Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
> in the equation.

Long ago, we had a loooong thread when I explained patiently to you Apple
zealots that Apple marketing lies to you about Apple's support, given that
Apple actually has the worst bugfix support in the entire industry, JR.

Part of that thread was based on an in-depth analysis of the data.
*Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Where when we added up all the iOS-related known exploits (which includes
more than just the iPhone) and all the Android related known exploits
(which also include more than just phones), the ratio was over 10 to 1.

Showing that Apple's iOS-related exploits are the worst in the industry.

If it's only over 1-1/2 times worse by your count, that's not going to
change the outcome which is that Apple's exploits are consistently the
worst in the industry - by a lot.

> His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.

You call every fact about Apple that you don't like, a troll, Jolly Roger,
because you get all your news only from Apple's (brilliant) marketing.

I get my news from reliable independent non-biased credible sources, JR.

FACT:
*Known Exploited Vulnerabilities Catalog*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

ASSESSMENT:
*Apple products consistently have the most exploits in the industry.*

On 2024-05-17, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 16:21:07 GMT :
>
>> Still wrong, since we haven't included other popular Android smartphones
>> in the equation.
>
> Apple zealots
> Apple marketing
> Apple's support

Try staying on topic, Arlen. I know it's hard for you due to your
emotions getting in the way, but try. FACT (you love that word, right?):
These numbers don't include vulnerabilities from all Android smartphone
vendors, but do include all iPhones since only Apple makes them. Any
rational adult will know that it is therefore inherently unfair to
exclude some Android vulnerabilities from some Android smartphone
vendors when comparing to iPhones. You know this. You just don't care
because of your very clear bias.

>> His trolls are as weak as his intellect. All are easily proven false.
>
> You call every fact

Your so-called "fact" (that Apple's iPhones are exploited ten times as
much as Android phones" has been easily proven to be FALSE - a LIE -
which greatly upsets you. You're emotional. You're not in a position of
rationality. So you resort to ad hominem slinging your little schoolyard
insults. You're a pathetic mental & emotional weakling.

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 12:13:48 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> You don't even respond to people's point. You just repeat the same verbal
>> diarrhoea on the same single narrow, boring thing.
>
> Chris,
>
> I'm logical. I based my assessments on documented facts.

Only cherry-picked facts. That's lying by omission. Plus many things you
claim to be facts are actually opinions.

>
> In fact, I did respond when you said Apple supports multiple releases.
> I said that is a lie.

That's not the point of what I was saying in this thread and provided
evidence of: Apple has historically supported iphones far, far longer than
either Samsung or Google.
Let me repeat for your benefit as you cowardly snipped it before:
https://endoflife.date/iphone Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus
Released: Sep 2015
No. major updates: 6

https://endoflife.date/samsung-mobile Oldest models still supported: Galaxy
A01/A51* Released: Dec 2018
No. major updates: ?

* S20 models (from 2020) are no longer supported

https://endoflife.date/pixel Oldest models still supported: Pixel 5a
Released: Aug 2021
No. major updates: 3

> Apple always has more than 1.5 times the exploits that Android has.

It was "10 times more" only a couple of days ago. You got caught lying yet
again.

>
>>> every
>>> operating system vendor, including Apple, fixes egregious bugs in every
>>> release, even releases a decade old - but that does not mean they fix every
>>> bug they know of in that release - and - in fact - Apple specifically
>>> states that they do NOT fix every bug they know of in any release but in
>>> the latest release. That's just a fact, Chris.
>>
>> What we don't know is why? For example, not all win11 bugs will update in
>> win10 because they are different oses.
>
> Unfortunately, you do not understand what it means to be fully patched.
> Ask badgolferman. He is an adult. He understood the instant he read the
> articles I had provided (which you show no evidence of having read).
>
> Currently Windows 10 and Windows 11 are fully supported (AFAIK).
> 1. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win10 are patched.
> 2. That means all known Microsoft-caused bugs in Win11 are patched.
> 3. Often they're the same bugs and the same patch - but not always.

And you know that how? Where's the evidence that every MS known bug is
fixed in Win11 and Win 10?
>>> My desktop PC was built in 2009, Chris, and it kicks ass because it was
>>> built by me with high end components of that day and age - and it has full
>>> operating system support for all bugs that Microsoft knows about.
>>
>> Like every corporation allows their employers to build their own high spec
>> PC. lol, no.
>
> When I was in the corporate world in the Silicon Valley, as a technical
> kind of guy, I had RedHat and Windows desktops and laptops for my use.
>
> They were replaced roughly about every two years, as I recall.
> They even replaced my keyboard and mouse and monitors as frequently.

Thanks for confirming that the arsetechnica article is based on a false
premise: no corporation would keep supporting five-year old hardware
regardless of whether MS/Apple does.