Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :

> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>> software release?
>
> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>
>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>> within a few weeks of release?
>
> Nope.
>
>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>> version release?
>
> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
> nine years old.

For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>

"*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
*security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."

These ignorant uneducated Apple religious zealots not only guess about
every single thing that they believe, but they guess wrong every time.

I seriously don't know how they function in a complex society being wrong
about everything - and yet - they're firmly confident in being to the left
of Mount Stupid on the Dunning Kruger characterization graphs.
https://s3.ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/assets.the-resilience-shield/app/uploads/2021/05/11143616/Mt-Stupid-1.png

On 2024-05-12 06:50, badgolferman wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>>> software release?
>>
>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
>> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>
>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>>> within a few weeks of release?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>>> version release?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
>> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
>> nine years old.
>>
>>
>
> According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully
> supporting the current software version (17) with security updates. How are
> you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?
>

But how old does an iPhone or iPad have to be before it can no longer
get the latest OS?

iOS 17 supports iPhones as far back as the iPhone XR released in October
2018, and the iPad is no different.

Assuming iOS 18 is released on the usual schedule, Apple devices fully 6
years old will finally stop being supported.

On 2024-05-12 13:22, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>>> software release?
>>
>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
>> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>
>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>>> within a few weeks of release?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>>> version release?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
>> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
>> nine years old.
>
> For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
>
> "*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
> *security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."

That's a promise for the newest Samsung Galaxy phones only:

'Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the five
years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's Galaxy S23
models'

On 2024-05-12, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 19:04:24 GMT :
>
>>> That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
>>> supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.
>>
>> Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
>> 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
>> most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS
>> 17 through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
>> patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating
>> systems first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that
>> if you are running an older version of an operating system, some bugs
>> may not be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old
>> version). Again, this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems.
>> It's fairly standard practice in the industry. But badgolferman and
>> his best bud, Arlen, definitely want to paint it as an
>> Apple-exclusive thing.
>
> I don't even care about iOS

LOL... Clown boy Arlen, who trolls the iOS newsgroup relentlessly, wants
everyone to know he AKTUALLY doesn't care about iOS. 🤡

> ignorant iKooks
> how stupid they are
> Seriously sad.
> Dangerously sad.
> how ignorant these religious zealots are.
> uneducated ignorant religious zealots
> religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots

Struck a nerve, Arlen? Not only do you very clearly care enough to troll
here 24/7 non-stop, but you can't help but show the world just how much
you care by slinging schoolyard insults at anyone who dares to use Apple
products or call you out on your bullshit. You're a pathetic shit stain
of a human being. Just sad.

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On 2024-05-12, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-05-12 13:22, Andrew wrote:
>> Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :
>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major
>>>> version of software release?
>>>
>>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14
>>> major versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>>
>>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of
>>>> iOS within a few weeks of release?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS
>>>> major version release?
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received
>>> several updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6
>>> which is nearly nine years old.
>>
>> For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
>> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
>>
>> "*Samsung phones now come backed with _seven_ years' worth of*
>> *security updates and _seven_ generations of OS upgrades*."
>
> That's a promise for the newest Samsung Galaxy phones only:
>
> 'Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the
> five years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's
> Galaxy S23 models'

Yep. Arlen and badgolferman desperately want to distract from the fact
that Apple has been providing support far longer than their competitors,
and it's why Arlen has been harping on his little "Apple doesn't patch
all older versions forever" line despite the fact that the practice is
standard in the industry. They are desperate trolls.

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 12 May 2024 12:54:17 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>>> software release?
>>
>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
>> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>
>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>>> within a few weeks of release?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>>> version release?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
>> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
>> nine years old.
>
> For badgolferman, Chris is just wrong.
> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>

That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced change
and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android. What will other
manufacturers do?

I bet this will start the removal of cheaper Samsung models from the
market.

Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:00:49 GMT :

> You're a pathetic shit stain of a human being. Just sad.

Interesting how the Apple religious zealots respond to facts about Apple
such as the fact that the iPhone has ten times the exploits & twice as many
zero-day holes - mainly because Apple fully supports only a single release.

*To own an Apple product is to already be hacked*

Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:07:11 GMT :

> They are desperate trolls.

Windows has been providing full hotfix support for Windows 10 for far
longer than any other operating system vendor, Jolly Roger.

And Samsung and Google both fully support Android for 7 years now.

Meanwhile, Apple publicly stated last year that they were forced to admit
they lied about support for a decade, where Apple publicly admitted Apple
only fully supports a single release (which is currently iOS 17 alone).

When iOS 18 comes out, any phone that can't run iOS 18 is not supported.

Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Chris wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 06:43:02 -0000 (UTC) :

> That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced change
> and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android. What will other
> manufacturers do?

It was five years prior, where I got my set of free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G
phones way back in 2020 and they're all still fully updated and have had
four major Android upgrades and monthly hotfix security updates all along.

Given you claimed a PhD, Chris, don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most
exploited smartphone operating system in the history of smartphones?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Do you think it has anything to do with Apple having the worst support?

On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:00:49 GMT :
>> On 2024-05-12, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't even care about iOS
>>
>> LOL... Clown boy Arlen, who trolls the iOS newsgroup relentlessly,
>> wants everyone to know he AKTUALLY doesn't care about iOS. 🤡
>>
>>> ignorant iKooks
>>> how stupid they are
>>> Seriously sad.
>>> Dangerously sad.
>>> how ignorant these religious zealots are.
>>> uneducated ignorant religious zealots
>>> religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots
>>
>> Struck a nerve, Arlen? Not only do you very clearly care enough to
>> troll here 24/7 non-stop, but you can't help but show the world just
>> how much you care by slinging schoolyard insults at anyone who dares
>> to use Apple products or call you out on your bullshit. You're a
>> pathetic shit stain of a human being. Just sad.
>>
>> You're a pathetic shit stain of a human being. Just sad.
>
> Interesting how the Apple religious zealots respond to facts

Interesting how little Arlen thinks by trimming context (restored above)
he can fool anyone reading into believing his little lie that I'm
responding to "facts" rather than his schoolyard insults. Arlen clearly
thinks the rest of you are just as clueless and easily manipulated as he
is. 😉

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On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:07:11 GMT :
>
>> They are desperate trolls.
>
> Windows has been providing full hotfix support for Windows 10

Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.

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On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 06:43:02 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced
>> change and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android.
>> What will other manufacturers do?
>
> It was five years prior

It was five years or less prior.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :

> Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.

Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Do you think it might be because Apple only fully supports one release?

Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:46 GMT :

> It was five years or less prior.

Doesn't matter as it's seven years now and besides, don't you ever wonder
why iOS is the most exploited smartphone OS in the history of smartphones?
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Do you think it has anything to do with Apple having the worst support?

Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 20:59:11 GMT :

> the rest of you are just as clueless and easily manipulated

You called me a troll for telling you facts that you _hate_ about Apple.

On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:46 GMT :
>
>> It was five years or less prior.
>
> Doesn't matter

It matters enough for it to upset you.

> as it's seven years now

Not for all Android devices, it's not.

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On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 20:59:11 GMT :
>
>> He thinks the rest of you are just as clueless and easily manipulated
>
> You called me a troll

Because you are one.

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On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :
>> On 2024-05-13, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 23:07:11 GMT :
>>>
>>>> They are desperate trolls.
>>>
>>> Windows has been providing full hotfix support for Windows 10
>>
>> Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.
>
> Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.

Not since 2007, they haven't. Apple has supported their devices longer
than most for about a couple decades. Your trolls are desperate and
weak, Arlen.

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Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 13 May 2024 06:43:02 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> That doesn't contradict what I wrote. This is a recently announced change
>> and is the policy only of Samsung (and google) not Android. What will other
>> manufacturers do?
>
> It was five years prior, where I got my set of free Samsung Galaxy A32-5G
> phones way back in 2020 and they're all still fully updated and have had
> four major Android upgrades and monthly hotfix security updates all along.

Rather than use pointless anecdotes, including my iphone XR from 2019 which
has had 5 full upgrades and is still fully supported, let's look at the
facts shall we?
https://endoflife.date/iphone
Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus
Released: Sep 2015
No. major updates: 6

https://endoflife.date/samsung-mobile
Oldest models still supported: Galaxy A01/A51*
Released: Dec 2018
No. major updates: ?
* S20 models (from 2020) are no longer supported

https://endoflife.date/pixel
Oldest models still supported: Pixel 5a
Released: Aug 2021
No. major updates: 3

Doesn't look so great for Samsung or particularly Google. It's obvious why
they've had to announce better support.

On 2024-05-13 17:08, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 13 May 2024 21:00:10 GMT :
>
>> Now do Android, since this is a smartphone newsgroup.
>
> Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.
> *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
> "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
> security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

Seven years of security and OS upgrades is a big jump up from the five
years of security and four years of OS updates in last year's Galaxy S23
models.
>
> *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
> "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
> the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."
>
> Don't you ever wonder why iOS is the most exploited phone OS in history?
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>
> Do you think it might be because Apple only fully supports one release?

But the fully support putting the latest release on older iPhones for
nearly as long as that...

Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 03:13:41 GMT :

>> Samsung and Google both have 7 years of full support, Jolly Roger.
>
> Not since 2007, they haven't. Apple has supported their devices longer
> than most for about a couple decades.

You ignore facts, Jolly Roger, when you lie to defend Apple to the death.
*The fact is Apple fully supports only one major release*.
_That's just a fact_.

You deny that fact, but even Apple states that fact.
You lie.

I write the facts and I gave you & everyone the cites for those facts.

*About software updates for Apple devices*
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
"not all known security issues are addressed in previous versions
(for example, macOS 13, iOS 16, and so on)"
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

> Your trolls are desperate and weak,

Facts. Not trolls. Facts.

For a dozen years you've been calling all facts you hate about
Apple to be trolls, which is a 'hellovalot of facts you call trolls.

Like the fact the iPhone has ten times the exploits than Android.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

The fact you call all facts you hate about Apple to be trolls
doesn't change the fact that they're facts about Apple, JR.

You just hate them.
And, by way of extension, you hate Apple.

You hate that it's so easy to prove you wrong about Apple, JR.

Chris wrote on Tue, 14 May 2024 06:39:32 -0000 (UTC) :

> Rather than use pointless anecdotes, including my iphone XR from 2019 which
> has had 5 full upgrades and is still fully supported, let's look at the
> facts shall we?
> https://endoflife.date/iphone
> Oldest models still supported: 6s/6s Plus
> Released: Sep 2015
> No. major updates: 6

Chris,
You're supposed to have a PhD for God's sake (according to you anyway).
That means you're supposed to understand the difference between the current release and all other releases.

C'mon. It's not that hard, Chris. *The current release for iOS is iOS 17*.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

REFERENCES:
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

Any other release other than iOS 17 no longer has full support by Apple.
That means Apple knows of bugs that it won't fix on those older releases.

These are the only iPhones that have full support from Apple, Chris.
https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/iphone-models-compatible-with-ios-17-iphe3fa5df43/ios

Do you see the iPhone 6s/6s Plus on that list?

Hint: No

It's no longer shocking how ignorant you uneducated Apple religious zealots
are about Apple products, even something as simple as full hotfix support.

Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 03:04:08 GMT :

>> Doesn't matter
>
> It matters enough for it to upset you.

You're so ignorant of iOS that you refute even what Apple doesn't refute.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

ASSESSMENT:
*Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.*

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Because you are one.

And yet, you can't refute the facts, even as you lie about them.

FACT:
*Apple only fully supports one and only one major release*

Every other major vendor fully supports multiple major OS releases.

REFERENCES:
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

On 2024-05-14, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 14 May 2024 03:04:08 GMT :
>
>>> Doesn't matter
>>
>> It matters enough for it to upset you.
>
> You're so ignorant

Straight to ad hominem, as usual.

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