Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:35:37 GMT :

> trying to deflect from the fact

What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

*The iPhone has the worst full OS support in history*

Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:36:58 GMT :

> He repeats himself endlessly because he has no
> original thoughts - just lies and hate.

The facts are what I repeat because you refuse to believe them.
https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

*The iPhone has the worst full OS support in history*

What you religious herd animals hate, JR, are the facts.
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

*The iPhone is the most exploited phone in history*

On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...
>
> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.

What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
Apple products.

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On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:35:37 GMT :
>
>> trying to deflect from the fact
>
> What I do [more deflection]

Deflection is literally Arlen's only response at this point. Pathetic
troll.

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On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 04:36:58 GMT :
>
>> He repeats himself endlessly because he has no
>> original thoughts - just lies and hate.
>
> The facts are what I repeat

You change nyms and repeat your juvenile trolls and insults because
trolling is your entire pathetic life.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :

>> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
>
> What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
> Apple products.

And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.
You do not.

Which is why you _hate_ it when I speak facts about Apple.
https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog

*The iPhone is the most exploited phone in history*

Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :

> repeat your juvenile trolls

And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is simply a fact.

*The iPhone has the worst OS support in history*

https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/
https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

Andrew wrote:

>
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/

Earlier this week, Apple released a document clarifying its terminology
and policies around software upgrades and updates. Most of the
information in the document isn't new, but the company did provide one
clarification about its update policy that it hadn't made explicit
before: Despite providing security updates for multiple versions of
macOS and iOS at any given time, Apple says that only devices running
the most recent major operating system versions should expect to be
fully protected.

In other words, while Apple will provide security-related updates for
older versions of its operating systems, only the most recent upgrades
will receive updates for every security problem Apple knows about.

------

-- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
software release?

-- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
within a few weeks of release?

-- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
version release?

On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :
>
>>> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
>>
>> What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
>> Apple products.
>
> And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.

In your dreams, and irrelevant since you have readily admitted you only
buy them to find ways to troll about them. All you do is troll. Its your
entire pathetic life.

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On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :
>
>> repeat your juvenile trolls
>
> And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is

Your schoolyard insults.

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badgolferman wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 20:28:51 -0000 (UTC) :

>>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/
>
> Earlier this week, Apple released a document clarifying its terminology
> and policies around software upgrades and updates. Most of the
> information in the document isn't new, but the company did provide one
> clarification about its update policy that it hadn't made explicit
> before: Despite providing security updates for multiple versions of
> macOS and iOS at any given time, Apple says that only devices running
> the most recent major operating system versions should expect to be
> fully protected.
>
> In other words, while Apple will provide security-related updates for
> older versions of its operating systems, only the most recent upgrades
> will receive updates for every security problem Apple knows about.
>
> ------
>
> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
> software release?
>
> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
> within a few weeks of release?
>
> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
> version release?

First off, badgolferman, you're not a religious zealot, so I will be
speaking to you as one adult to another - which I don't do with iKooks.

My approach below will assume you have at least a normal IQ, as do I.
And my approach will assume that you will click on the links provided.

Notice I don't talk to the iKooks that way.
Because iKooks don't have a normal IQ.

You do.

With the Apple religious zealot nutcases, you have to distil the message
down to the lowest common denominator - and even then - they don't get it.

Second off, this information is not new. It has been discussed on this
newsgroup many times. The nutcases will NEVER understand Apple support.

I hope you can.

In addition, you have to understand my goals before I answer further.
1. I learn & disseminate the truth about Apple products. Period.
2. I show the Apple religious zealot nutcases for what they truly are.

You'll notice that the link shows a few things which are related to that:
1. I KNOW that Apple only fully supports a single release.
2. And I know that the religious zealots do NOT know that fact.
3. In fact, Jolly Roger has lied for YEARS about Apple support.

He thinks because Apple volunteers to fix one bug in an old release every
once in a while, just as every operating system vendor does from time to
time, that this one bug being fixed once in a while means the other hundred
or two hundred (or whatever) known bugs simply don't exist after that.

Who thinks that way but a child?

It's no longer shocking that the Apple nutcases think that childish way.
But they do.

The fact is that every other common consumer operating system fully
supports more than one major release at a time. Apple does not.

Full support means what it means.
It means EVERY known security hole is fixed.

The fact is if you purchase a Pixel or a Galaxy, you have that full hotfix
support for as many releases that are released in the long support period.

For Android, the number of major releases vary in that time frame, as it
could be as many as one per year (so that could be as much as five to seven
major releases), but it could be as few as two or three major releases -
but it's ALWAYS more than one release. It's typically three or four.
https://www.howtogeek.com/797200/how-long-will-my-android-phone-be-supported-with-updates/

By way of stark contrast, iOS is only one. Not two. Not three. Not four.
One.

Which is proof that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry.
The iKooks don't understand that because they only watch Apple ads.

It's no longer shocking how little the iKooks know about iOS, badgolferman.
They don't even know how Apple updates/upgrades their iPhones.

Who is that stupid and yet obstinately defends Apple to the death?
Nobody who is an adult, right?

That's what is so strange about these ignorant uneducated iKooks.
They know nothing. And yet, they argue everything.

And they call all facts about Apple they don't like - trolls.
Which is a LOT of facts about Apple, is it not!

I see your other questions but they're unrelated so if you want me to
answer them, just ask them again as the IMPORTANT answer you need is that.

Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 21:19:45 GMT :

> All you do is troll. Its your entire pathetic life.

I feel sorry for people like you, Jolly Roger, because your entire life
you've been told that you're stupid (which is why you don't have any
education and partly it's why you're so ignorant about Apple products).

The fact is that Apple is the only common consumer operating system creator
who fully supports only a single release. Nobody else does that.

*Just Apple*

The fact is that the iPhone has by far more exploits than Android.

*Ten times more*

Those are just facts, Jolly Roger.

Yet your IQ is so low that you can't comprehend that those are facts.

*You call facts trolls*

I understand you better than you understand yourself, Jolly Roger.
Which is why I feel sorry for you - as God didn't endow you with brains.

Since you hate these facts, you call all facts about Apple you don't like,
to be trolls - which tells all of us more about you than you want us to
know.

You _hate_ Apple, Jolly Roger.
Secretly so.

You _hate_ that it's so easy to prove Apple lied to you Jolly Roger.
You _hate_ every fact I say about Apple makes you hate Apple even more.

As I said, I understand you better than you understand yourself.

You're a herd animal, Jolly Roger.
You bought into the herd mentality.

You love the advertisements.
But you hate the facts.

That's why you call every fact about Apple you hate, a troll.
And that... is a lot of facts that you call trolls.

On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 21:19:45 GMT :
>
>> All you do is troll. Its your entire pathetic life.
>
> I feel sorry for people like you, Jolly Roger, because your entire
> life you've been told that you're stupid (which is why you don't have
> any education and partly it's why you're so ignorant about Apple
> products).

Such schoolyard insults are all little Arlen has.

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Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-05-11, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:38:44 GMT :
>>
>>> repeat your juvenile trolls
>>
>> And yet, what you call a "juvenile troll" is
>
> Your schoolyard insults.
>

Sadly, he does not realize that Steve Jobs died to save us from our sins.

Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>
> Sadly, he does not realize that Steve Jobs died to save us from our sins.
>

I repent!

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :
>
>>> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
>>
>> What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
>> Apple products.
>
> And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.
>
> The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.

You do not. You didn't know that ios has built capability to easily create
your own geofence functionality. How's it going with helping your elderly
relative?

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...
>
> What I do here is point out the facts

The only thing you do is try to support your own internal bias.

Chris wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :
>>
>>>> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
>>>
>>> What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
>>> Apple products.
>>
>> And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.
>>
>> The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.
>
> You do not. You didn't know that ios has built capability to easily create
> your own geofence functionality. How's it going with helping your elderly
> relative?
>
>

You forgot to mention that he is arlen.

Shame on you.

Chris wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Chris wrote on Sat, 11 May 2024 10:31:20 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>> Imagine going through life trying to do the opposite...
>>
>> What I do here is point out the facts
>
> The only thing you do is try to support your own internal bias.
>

Exactly, he hates apple and his whole life centers around trying to destroy
a vendor of chinese telephones. Pretty sad.

On 2024-05-12, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger wrote on 11 May 2024 19:36:54 GMT :
>>>
>>>>> What I do here is point out the facts to you religious zealots.
>>>>
>>>> What you do is troll because you hate Apple and anyone who dares to use
>>>> Apple products.
>>>
>>> And yet I likely own and use and buy more Apple products than you do.
>>>
>>> The difference is that I know what Apple does and I know what iOS is.
>>
>> You do not. You didn't know that ios has built capability to easily create
>> your own geofence functionality. How's it going with helping your elderly
>> relative?
>
> You forgot to mention that he is arlen.

Everyone already knows that.

> Shame on you.

Nah.

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badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
> software release?

No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.

> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
> within a few weeks of release?

Nope.

> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
> version release?

Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
nine years old.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>> software release?
>
> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>
>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>> within a few weeks of release?
>
> Nope.
>
>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>> version release?
>
> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
> nine years old.
>
>

According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully
supporting the current software version (17) with security updates. How are
you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major version of
>>> software release?
>>
>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14 major
>> versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>
>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of iOS
>>> within a few weeks of release?
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS major
>>> version release?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received several
>> updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6 which is nearly
>> nine years old.
>>
>>
>
> According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully
> supporting the current software version (17) with security updates.

Did you read the link Andrew/Arlen/whatever shared? Did you draw the same
conclusion as him?

What he says and what he can show/prove are often very different things.

> How are
> you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?

Look here:
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222

You can see that two or three have been updated at the same three times
this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar. Since the release of iOS 17,
iOS 16 has received eight updates and iOS 15 has received three.

That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.

On 2024-05-12, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -- Does Android provide ALL security updates for every major
>>>> version of software release?
>>>
>>> No. That would be a huge amount of effort as there have been 14
>>> major versions. Probably the most 2-3 recent are supported.
>>>
>>>> -- Is there a reason not to upgrade to the newest major version of
>>>> iOS within a few weeks of release?
>>>
>>> Nope.
>>>
>>>> -- How old must an iPhone be before it can support the newest iOS
>>>> major version release?
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean here, but iOS 15, 16 and 17 have received
>>> several updates this year. IOS 15 supports back to the iphone 6
>>> which is nearly nine years old.
>>
>> According to the articles Arlen provided, Apple admits to only fully
>> supporting the current software version (17) with security updates.
>
> Did you read the link Andrew/Arlen/whatever shared? Did you draw the
> same conclusion as him?
>
> What he says and what he can show/prove are often very different
> things.
>
>> How are you claiming 15,16, 17 are supported?
>
> Look here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201222
>
> You can see that two or three have been updated at the same three
> times this year alone: 22nd Jan, 5th Mar, 22nd Mar. Since the release
> of iOS 17, iOS 16 has received eight updates and iOS 15 has received
> three.
>
> That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
> supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.

Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17
through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating systems
first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that if you are
running an older version of an operating system, some bugs may not
be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old version). Again,
this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems. It's fairly standard
practice in the industry. But badgolferman and his best bud, Arlen,
definitely want to paint it as an Apple-exclusive thing.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 12 May 2024 19:04:24 GMT :

>> That's clear evidence to show that Apple are still maintaining (aka
>> supporting) the current and previous two versions of iOS.
>
> Yes, but we're supposed to ignore reality: 67% of devices run iOS 17,
> 19% run iOS 16, 8% run iOS 15 = 94% of devices are running the three
> most recent versions of iOS. As you have shown, Apple is patching iOS 17
> through iOS 15. And just like every operating system vendor, Apple
> patches known bugs in the most recent releases of its operating systems
> first and in older versions later. Naturally this means that if you are
> running an older version of an operating system, some bugs may not
> be patched as quickly (or at all if it's a really old version). Again,
> this isn't exclusive to Apple's operating systems. It's fairly standard
> practice in the industry. But badgolferman and his best bud, Arlen,
> definitely want to paint it as an Apple-exclusive thing.

For badgolferman, I don't even care about iOS and yet I know far
more about iOS than all of those ignorant iKooks do, combined.

That's sad how stupid they are. Seriously sad. Dangerously sad.
Like how can they even function always being that incredibly wrong?

Sigh. It's no longer shocking how ignorant these religious zealots are.

For badgolferman, you are the only one who read the articles.
Chris & Jolly Roger did not.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
If Chris & Jolly Roger did click on them, they didn't understand them.

Even Apple refutes every word that they say.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

The fact is these uneducated ignorant religious zealots have lied
for years about Apple support. Even Apple has never said they fully
support more than one release.

Like every other operating system, even Android has patched Android
4.4 just last year, but that doesn't mean every known bug is fixed.

Only the religious ignorant uneducated religious zealots would
claim that a patch or two means every single known bug is fixed.