Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:23:04 -0500 :

>> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>
> KF - but quietly.

Please do plonk me.

I've been on Usenet for decades where I'm on many newsgroups, only one of
which is this one - so you "think" I post for your affection - but I don't.

The quality of this ng goes UP when you Apple trolls leave it.
Jolly Roger
Alan Baker
Alan Browne
Chris
Haemactylus
Joerg Lorenz
et. al

Thank God these Apple trolls are gone:
nospam
Lewis
JF Mezei

Too bad these knowledgeable people are gone though:
David Empson
Michelle Steiner

Back to the topic, I proved there is no way to create an Apple ID without
surrendering your privacy to Apple - and that no other OS requires that.

Only Apple has no privacy from the start.

*Hemidactylus* wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 03:14:56 +0000 :

> I really don't get why people continue to engage

You Apple trolls can either accept the fact or not that I proved there is
no way to create an Apple ID without surrendering your privacy to Apple -
and that no other common consumer OS vendor requires your identity just to
use the device.

The topic is: Only Apple has no privacy from the start.

You Apple trolls don't like that topic.
So be it.

It's a fact whether or not you Apple trolls like that fact.
And the fact you hate me telling you that fact doesn't change it either.

I am here to post facts about Apple products.
And to show the world (via the public record) what you Apple trolls are.

badgolferman wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:55:02 -0000 (UTC) :

>>> When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
>>> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
>>> people just stay away as a result.
>>
>> Let us know when you're capable of that.
>>
>
> +1 (Usenet's Like button)

An adult observation...

Everyone (but the Apple trolls) instantly gets the irony of Jolly Roger's
holier-than-thou proclamations - but what's also interesting is the Apple
trolls actually got it right when they complain that they can't have their
'love fest' with Apple when people other than the Apple trolls post here.

Notice the Apple trolls said "When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes
just another lame advocacy newsgroup".....

Notice that's EXACTLY what the herd-animal Apple trolls want this ng to be!

It's the same clique mentality that makes Alan Browne call the "walled
garden" restrictions an "elite club"...

Why does Alan Browne call the walled-garden restrictions an "elite club"?
Think about that.

Why do the Apple trolls viciously hate anyone telling the truth on this ng?

The reason is exactly what the Apple trolls said above, unbeknownst to
themselves, that they wish this newsgroup to be a "love fest" of Apple.

With normal people on the ng, their "love fest" falls apart at the seams.
They *hate* the truth about Apple products.

So be it.

Andrew wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:58:31 -0000 (UTC) :

> Why do the Apple trolls viciously hate anyone telling the truth on this ng?

To stay on topic, I should mention that I proved that only Apple requires
you to surrender your privacy just for the privilege of downloading apps.

That's just a fact.

Andrew wrote:

>We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
>refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
>become normal again

I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
than the rest of the hive.

--
"He has all the virtues I dislike and none of the vices I admire." ~
Winston Churchill

On 11/22/24 11:45 AM, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :
>
>> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>
> What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.
>
> I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.

As the old saying goes...

"Pics, or it didn't happen."

In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
before trying to condemn any one vendor.

For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?

-hh

badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :

>>We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
>>refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
>>become normal again
>
> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
> than the rest of the hive.

I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of the
hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd put them
into these loose groupings of similar personalities when posting here.

Jolly Roger === Lewis
Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
Haemactylus === Your Name
Alan Browne === Chris
nospam === he is in a category of his own

The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far more
about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even as if we
took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing - but he was
simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not needed & not wanted.

Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually think
for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne *loves* to quote Apple white papers, and
Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the walled-garden
restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to pay dearly to be
admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some things on an adult level.

Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences are that
the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former two do not, and,
what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never related to the topic.

Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference being
Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their own
amusement.

When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this newsgroup
for at least as long as I have and who is the classic epitome of the Apple
troll.

To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple troll
team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that Jolly Roger
hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type of inane childish
vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully in all ways possible).

As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple trolls,
in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without any qualms.

Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves that
such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible to those
that do simply because they have been told their entire lives that they're
stupid - and they want to get back at everyone else for doing that to them.

Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with those
clarifying distinctions above?

Andrew wrote:

>badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>>We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>to become normal again
>>
>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>
>I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>posting here.
>
>
>Jolly Roger === Lewis
>Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>Haemactylus === Your Name
>Alan Browne === Chris
>nospam === he is in a category of his own
>
>The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>needed & not wanted.
>
>Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>things on an adult level.
>
>Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>related to the topic.
>
>Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>own amusement.
>
>When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>epitome of the Apple troll.
>
>To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>in all ways possible).
>
>As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>any qualms.
>
>Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>else for doing that to them.
>
>Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>those clarifying distinctions above?

Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.

--
"How can I lose to such an idiot?" ~ A shout from chess grandmaster
Aaron Nimzovich

On 2024-11-22 11:17, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>> you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>> to become normal again
>>>
>>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>> reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>>
>> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>> posting here.
>>
>>
>> Jolly Roger === Lewis
>> Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>> Haemactylus === Your Name
>> Alan Browne === Chris
>> nospam === he is in a category of his own
>>
>> The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>> more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>> as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>> but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>> needed & not wanted.
>>
>> Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>> think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>> papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>> walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>> pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>> things on an adult level.
>>
>> Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>> neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>> are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>> two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>> related to the topic.
>>
>> Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>> being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>> own amusement.
>>
>> When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>> contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>> newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>> epitome of the Apple troll.
>>
>> To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>> troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>> Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>> of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>> in all ways possible).
>>
>> As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>> trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>> any qualms.
>>
>> Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>> completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>> that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>> to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>> lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>> else for doing that to them.
>>
>> Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>> those clarifying distinctions above?
>
>
> Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
> Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
>

You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.

Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.

You're really just an asshole.

On 2024-11-22 10:01, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you
>> refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to
>> become normal again
>
>
> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more reasonable
> than the rest of the hive.
>

Because calling people part of a "hive" is so very reasonable...

🙄

On 2024-11-21 10:54, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>>
>>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>>
>>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>>
>>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
>>> nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
>>> of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
>>> shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
>>> multiple enablers.
>>>
>>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
>>> group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
>>> him.
>>
>> No troll August worked
>
> "No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
> lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".
>
>> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
>> than a doornail.
>
> When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
> people just stay away as a result.

This group is about 97% bickering induced by trolls and 3% useful.

Ignore the trolls, filter them. They go away eventually. As long as
you respond to them you feed them and they own you.

_____________________
/| /| | |
||__|| | Please do not |
/ O O\__ | feed the |
/ \ | Trolls |
/ \ \|_____________________|
/ _ \ \ ||
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | _||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | | --|
| | | |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ | ||
/ _ \\ | / `'
* / \_ /- | | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-11-21 17:28, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>>
>>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>>
>>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>>
>>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters
>>> would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense
>>> moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
>>> to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
>>>
>>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group
>>> while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.
>>
>> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>>
>> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader than
>> a doornail. Other (web based and other) social media has taken over.
>
> And likely preferable as Arlen won't ever be found there due to his
> "privacy" issues. He can just rant away here on his own.

Yep - when I'm looking for info about things or suggestions or whatever,
usenet has become useless. It's 2024 and people want it to be like in
1994 - or even 2004.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

Alan wrote:

>You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.
>
>Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.
>
>You're really just an asshole.

If that's what you think of me then that says a lot about you.

--
"It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and
then don't say it." ~ Sam Levenson

On 2024-11-22 12:34, badgolferman wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> You know, in many ways you're worse than Arlen.
>>
>> Arlen doesn't pretend to be even-handed or unbiased.
>>
>> You're really just an asshole.
>
>
> If that's what you think of me then that says a lot about you.
>

If that's why you think, that says a lot about you.

See how easy that is?

:-)

On 2024-11-22 11:17, badgolferman wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>
>> badgolferman wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 18:01:08 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as
>>>> you refer to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris,
>>>> Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start
>>>> to become normal again
>>>
>>> I'd have to excuse Chris from that list. He seems far more
>>> reasonable than the rest of the hive.
>>
>> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
>> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
>> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
>> posting here.
>>
>>
>> Jolly Roger === Lewis
>> Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
>> Haemactylus === Your Name
>> Alan Browne === Chris
>> nospam === he is in a category of his own
>>
>> The reason nospam is in his own category is that he actually knew far
>> more about Apple devices than the rest of the Apple trolls did, even
>> as if we took him at face value - we would conclude he knew nothing -
>> but he was simply denying everything that Apple didn't do as not
>> needed & not wanted.
>>
>> Alan Browne and Chris are together in a category as they can actually
>> think for themselves (e.g., Alan Browne loves to quote Apple white
>> papers, and Alan Browne came up with his own analogy that the
>> walled-garden restrictions are an elite "clubhouse" that you have to
>> pay dearly to be admitted to). Likewise, Chris can discuss some
>> things on an adult level.
>>
>> Haemactylus & Your Name can't discuss anything at an adult level, and
>> neither can Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz but the category differences
>> are that the latter two post frequently to this ng while the former
>> two do not, and, what Haemactylus & Your Name post is drivel never
>> related to the topic.
>>
>> Not that Alan Baker & Joerg Lorenz don't post drivel - the difference
>> being Alan & Joerg have no purpose for posting other than for their
>> own amusement.
>>
>> When it comes to the king of Apple trolls though (now that nospam's
>> contract ran out) is Jolly Roger, who has been posting to this
>> newsgroup for at least as long as I have and who is the classic
>> epitome of the Apple troll.
>>
>> To Jolly Roger, anything that is NOT a cheering squad for the Apple
>> troll team, is something to be reviled. Detested to the level that
>> Jolly Roger hurls vicious yet childish "your mother is a slut" type
>> of inane childish vindictives (as he's a fifth-grade sadistic bully
>> in all ways possible).
>>
>> As for nospam... he was perhaps the most despicable of these Apple
>> trolls, in that he brazenly lied to everyone to their face without
>> any qualms.
>>
>> Where we can lump both Jolly Roger & nospam is they are both sadistic
>> completely unprepossessing human beings whose very existence proves
>> that such evil people who possess no human value can be so horrible
>> to those that do simply because they have been told their entire
>> lives that they're stupid - and they want to get back at everyone
>> else for doing that to them.
>>
>> Do you think I have them better pegged appropriately enough yet with
>> those clarifying distinctions above?
>
>
> Maybe Chris should be in his own category. Anyone who can see through
> Jolly Roger's bullshit and calls him out for it is okay with me.
>

Ask your new friend Arlen what other groups he posts in.

I'd like to check his claim that he isn't universally vilified.

Andrew wrote:
>
> I agree with you that Chris is "far more reasonable" than the rest of
> the hive as I've studied all of their strange actions, such that I'd
> put them into these loose groupings of similar personalities when
> posting here.
<snip a load of drivel>

Another of the constant nymshifting added to the killfile ... simply
proving the moron is nothing but an idiotic cross-posting troll.

Alan Browne wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 15:20:37 -0500 :

> Ignore the trolls, filter them. They go away eventually.

Unfortunately, you Apple trolls will not go away just by ignoring you.

Jolly Roger === Lewis
Alan Baker === Joerg Lorenz
Haemactylus === Your Name
Alan Browne === Chris
nospam === he is in a category of his own

So far we've only managed to lose Lewis, JF Mezei & the sadistic nospam.
Could you be next Alan Browne?

One can only hope.

-hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :

> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
> Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?

That's a surprisingly adult question for an Apple troll to ask, so I will
faithfully answer that question as best I know as if -hh is an adult.

Fair enough?

Bear in mind I'm an expert at Windows & Android & iOS accounts, so you're
going to hear the truth from me - not something Apple marketing would say.

For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.

Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.

For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an
account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.

For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.

Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store
WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of
which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.

It's only Apple that requires that account.

In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device.
But... it won't be able to do anything.

At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the
account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.

Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.

Your Name wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:04 +1300 :

> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.

The fact is that only Apple requires you to lose your privacy just so that
you can access the app store. Nobody else requires you to set up an account
on the device just so you can install apps from the official app store.

Not Google. Not Microsoft.

Just Apple.

On 2024-11-22 14:03, Andrew wrote:
> Your Name wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 15:30:04 +1300 :
>
>> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile.
>
> The fact is that only Apple requires you to lose your privacy just so that
> you can access the app store. Nobody else requires you to set up an account
> on the device just so you can install apps from the official app store.
>
> Not Google. Not Microsoft.
>
> Just Apple.

Giving one's phone number to a company is not "losing your privacy".

On 2024-11-22 13:58, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
>
>> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
>> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
>> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>>
>> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
>> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
>> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
>> Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?
>
> That's a surprisingly adult question for an Apple troll to ask, so I will
> faithfully answer that question as best I know as if -hh is an adult.
>
> Fair enough?
>
> Bear in mind I'm an expert at Windows & Android & iOS accounts, so you're
> going to hear the truth from me - not something Apple marketing would say.
>
> For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
> reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.
>
> Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.

What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

>
> For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an
> account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.
>
> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>
> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store
> WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

Cite please!

>
> I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of
> which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.
>
> It's only Apple that requires that account.
>
> In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device.
> But... it won't be able to do anything.
>
> At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the
> account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.
>
> Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.

On 19.11.24 17:34, Peter Piper wrote:
> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>
>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>
> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
> simply by changing its posting name.
>
> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

It is easy to catch the Arlen with an appropriate filter even if it pops
up as a reincarnation of itself.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 19.11.24 17:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>>
>>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>>
>> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
>> simply by changing its posting name.
>>
>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
>> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
>
> It is easy to catch the Arlen with an appropriate filter even if it pops
> up as a reincarnation of itself.
>
It has obsessive tropes.

On 11/22/24 6:35 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-11-22 13:58, Andrew wrote:
>> -hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :
>>> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
>>> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
>>> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>> ...
>> Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.
>
> What are the steps an ordinary consumer would have to take to avoid
> setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account?

Yup, still waiting.

>> For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.
>>
>> Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play
>> Store WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.
>
> Cite please!

Which needs to be reconcile against this, which says that you do:

" A range of Google applications and services is available on your
device when you purchase it, for example, Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube,
and the Google Play application. To get the most out of these services,
you need a Google account."

<https://helpguide.sony.net/mobile/xperia-5/v1/en/contents/why-do-i-need-a-google-account.html>

Plus of course the tracking integral to Google Chrome (see current
lawsuit) where it effectively doxxes its users without them consenting.

-hh

On 2024-11-23 06:57, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

> It has obsessive tropes.

I'll amend that to ...
It has excessive obsessive tropes.

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