I'm setting up an iPhone for someone and after setting it up without a
login/password, she wants to add apps from the app store. Sigh.

I already was forced by Apple to set it up with a Wi-Fi access point, which
isn't too bad as even Android tablets would need to have Wi-Fi access to be
used (although only an iOS device *requires* it for the initial setup!).

This lack of privacy on an iOS device is simply astounding.
Yet Apple lies about privacy in their advertising.

Why don't the idiot consumers realize they're being lied to by Apple?
Anyway, it's an iPad so I'm stuck with the total loss of privacy.

So I'm at this moment creating an account which allows me to give bogus
information for most of the data (which insists on a last name & DOB).

But the lack of privacy on an iOS device rears its ugly head with the
verification process - which - as far as I can tell - requires your phone!
<https://i.postimg.cc/nhG215Wb/IMG-0001.jpg>

WTF?

Doesn't Apple advertise privacy?
Where is it?

Why is it that *every* other common consumer operating system can be set up
without giving the mothership your phone - except Apple's POS iOS setup?

Is there a way to SKIP that privacy-robbing collection of your phone?

Andrews wrote on Fri, 15 Nov 2024 23:42:20 -0000 (UTC) :

> Doesn't Apple advertise privacy?
> Where is it?
> Is there a way to SKIP that privacy-robbing collection of your phone?

It's interesting that Apple trolls know NOTHING about Apple products.

FACT: Only Apple forces EVERYONE to give them their phone number.
Nobody else does that but Apple. Not Microsoft. Not Google. Just Apple.

So I called up Apple and asked why it's impossible to use an iPad without
having to give the Apple mothership a valid phone number for them to abuse.

Apple said, effectively, most of its customers love having no privacy.

Specifically they said that the "find my" garbage requires the phone
number, so, they said it was to "protect me" even though I was rather clear
that I will never need a "find my" mechanism in my life.

If I lose the iPad, so what.
I lose nothing but an iPad.

Big deal.
I don't even have biometrics or a passcode on the thing.

They can have it.
Anyway, the fact remains Apple is the only common consumer operating system
vendor who requires your phone number just to set up your device for apps.

Even though there is no privacy on any Apple device, there was a secret way
to get the iPad set up with a new account not associated with another
account. Sort of.

<https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret either.

Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :

> Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.

It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without
calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.

Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone.
It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.

And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.

Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.

Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
Just Apple.

All to make their walled-garden work.
That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.

Great deal.
For Apple.

What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.

Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still
require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.

The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
Nope. Won't work.

You *must* do it through the email app.
Go figure.

It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.

In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
your privacy to do it with Apple products.

Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
There is no privacy on Apple products.

Proof.
<https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
<https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

On 2024-11-18 23:42:29 +0000, Andrews said:

> Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.
>
> It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without
> calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.
>
> Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone.
> It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.
>
> And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
> Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.
>
> Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
> No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.
>
> Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
> Just Apple.
>
> All to make their walled-garden work.
> That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.
>
> Great deal.
> For Apple.
>
> What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
> This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.
>
> Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
> Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still
> require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.
>
> The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
> Nope. Won't work.
>
> You *must* do it through the email app.
> Go figure.
>
> It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.
>
> In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
> your privacy to do it with Apple products.
>
> Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
> There is no privacy on Apple products.
>
> Proof.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\

On 11/18/2024 6:42 PM, Andrews wrote:
> Andrews wrote on Sun, 17 Nov 2024 03:55:48 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> Betcha the Apple trolls don't know that secret.
>
> It turns out that it's not possible to create a new iCloud account without
> calling Apple personally and giving them your phone number to verify.
>
> Not if there is already an iCloud account set up with your Android phone.
> It's impossible to do it from your iPad device. You must talk to Apple.
>
> And then you must identify yourself to Apple's satisfaction.
> Just to set up an iCloud account on the iPad.
>
> Which proves there is no privacy with Apple products. None.
> No other operating system vendor has that privacy robbing requirement.
>
> Not Google. Not Microsoft. Nobody.
> Just Apple.
>
> All to make their walled-garden work.
> That is, you trade your privacy to get the walled garden to work.
>
> Great deal.
> For Apple.
>
> What *they* do, is they set up the Apple account on their side.
> This can only happen if you call them & identify yourself to them.
>
> Only *after* Apple creates the iCloud account, can you then set it up.
> Even after they've created the iCloud account over the phone, they still
> require your phone number to verify that iCloud account on the iPad.
>
> The trick is you can't do it with their iOS system prompts.
> Nope. Won't work.
>
> You *must* do it through the email app.
> Go figure.
>
> It's Apple so it doesn't have to make any sense.
>
> In the end, you *can* create a new iCloud account but you have to trade
> your privacy to do it with Apple products.
>
> Apple brazenly lies about privacy.
> There is no privacy on Apple products.
>
> Proof.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/VvtMXcL2/noprivacy01.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/HLjrQC63/noprivacy02.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/P57XnvMz/noprivacy03.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TPSp0HSx/noprivacy04.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/1XWx0bCc/noprivacy05.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/6Q7Q8fQm/noprivacy06.jpg>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/bYRqNBTv/noprivacy07.jpg>

And all that is total bullshit.

Apple does not ask for

SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
compromises anything?

You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.

Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:

> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\

This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
simply by changing its posting name.

Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

On 2024-11-19 09:55, Tom Elam wrote:

> Apple does not ask for
>
> SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.
>
> What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
> compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
> compromises anything?

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On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.

Answering it feeds it.

_____________________
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/ |\____\ \ ||
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/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | | --|
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/ _ \\ | / `'
* / \_ /- | | |
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--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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Alan Browne wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 13:01:17 -0500 :

> _____________________
> /| /| | |
> ||__|| | Please do not |
> / O O\__ | feed the |
> / \ | Trolls |
> / \ \|_____________________|

The Apple trolls are Alan Browne, Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne,
Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg Lorenz, Your Name, et al. who know nothing about
Apple products.

None of them realize only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the
privilege of installing apps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Microsoft doesn't do that.
Neither does Google.

Just Apple.

That's a fact.

Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:55:52 -0500 :

> And all that is total bullshit.

I'm going to respond to this particular Apple troll, Tom Elam,
as if he owns the mentality of an adult. Is that OK with you Tom?

Since you called well-established facts "bullshit", what exactly are you
claiming is "bullshit" since I provided all necessary details, including
screenshots, proving Apple *requires* your personal phone number in order
to set up an iCloud account which is needed to download apps for the iPad.

Why do you Apple trolls call that "bullshit"?
Is it because you don't believe it?
If so, that means you're completely ignorant of how the walled garden
works.

Or, is it because you don't like it?

Then you're just being an ignorant troll by claiming the earth is flat.
Simply because you don't like that it's round.

The fact is only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege
of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Microsoft doesn't either.

Just Apple.
That's a fact.

You can call that fact "bullshit", but then, as an adult, I ask why.

> Apple does not ask for
>
> SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.

Huh? Nobody said they did. And yet, they do. Apple *requires* your
government ID whenever you stop logging into your iPad, which you Apple
trolls are unaware that you're logging into the Apple servers every day.

Yes. You heard that correctly. Only Apple requires your government issue iD
to unlock an iPad that Apple unilaterally bricked simply because you
stopped logging into it for two years (this happened on two different
iPads!).
<https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
<https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
<https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
<https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
<https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login

What's interesting is you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple.
Why don't you Apple trolls know anything about how Apple really works?

> What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
> compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
> compromises anything?

Huh? It's your phone number. Only you. Nobody else. If you don't understand
that it compromises your privacy, then let me ask you why you think NOBODY
BUT APPLE does this? Nobody. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Just Apple.

Do you Apple trolls understand anything at the level an adult should?

Why, Tom Elam, do you think only Apple requires your phone number in order
to install apps - when NOBODY else who makes an OS requires your privacy?

> You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.

You make that claim without even realizing I know more about Apple than all
of you Apple trolls combined do - since NONE of you even know that you're
logging into Apple mainframe servers every single moment of every day of
the rest of your natural life. You don't know that. You think you're not.

But you are.

<https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
<https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
<https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
<https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
<https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
<https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
<https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
<https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
<https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...

Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing
apps. Google doesn't do it. Neither does Microsoft. Just Apple.

Why is that a fact, Tom Elam?

Alan Browne wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 13:02:47 -0500 :

>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>
> Answering it feeds it.

The fact you use "it" shows your child-like developmental status.

You think it "hurts" me when you Apple trolls hurl kindergarten insults
just because you hate the fact that you traded your privacy to Apple for
the privilege of downloading apps in Apple's walled garden.

All you prove by using "it" is that your mind is that of a child.

And by doing so, you Apple trolls completely miss the *adult* point that
only Apple forces you to trade your privacy in order to download apps.

Nobody else does that. Just Apple.

Peter Piper wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 16:34:18 -0000 :

> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
> simply by changing its posting name.
>
> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

Three points for all you uneducated low-IQ ignorant Apple trolls...

a) I've been posting to Usenet for decades - where only you child-like
Apple trolls think I post for your affection (or even your response).

b) You Apple trolls use the word "it" for a person which shows clearly
your mentality is that of a small child as you think it hurts my
feelings (the fact you think that shows me how low your IQ is).

c) The topic is apropos since I proved there is no privacy on Apple
devices because you must trade your privacy to get into the walled
garden.

You ignorant low-IQ uneducated Apple trolls hate these facts.
So be it.

FACT:

Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing
apps. Nobody else does. Not Microsoft. Not Google. Nobody but Apple.

On 2024-11-19 13:55, Andrews wrote:
> Tom Elam wrote on Tue, 19 Nov 2024 09:55:52 -0500 :
>
>> And all that is total bullshit.
>
> I'm going to respond to this particular Apple troll, Tom Elam,
> as if he owns the mentality of an adult. Is that OK with you Tom?
>
> Since you called well-established facts "bullshit", what exactly are you
> claiming is "bullshit" since I provided all necessary details, including
> screenshots, proving Apple *requires* your personal phone number in order
> to set up an iCloud account which is needed to download apps for the iPad.
>
> Why do you Apple trolls call that "bullshit"?
> Is it because you don't believe it?
> If so, that means you're completely ignorant of how the walled garden
> works.
>
> Or, is it because you don't like it?
>
> Then you're just being an ignorant troll by claiming the earth is flat.
> Simply because you don't like that it's round.
>
> The fact is only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege
> of installing apps. Google doesn't do it. Microsoft doesn't either.
>
> Just Apple.
> That's a fact.
>
> You can call that fact "bullshit", but then, as an adult, I ask why.
>
>> Apple does not ask for
>>
>> SSN, Medicare ID, date of birth, address, etc.
>
> Huh? Nobody said they did. And yet, they do. Apple *requires* your
> government ID whenever you stop logging into your iPad, which you Apple
> trolls are unaware that you're logging into the Apple servers every day.
>
> Yes. You heard that correctly. Only Apple requires your government issue iD
> to unlock an iPad that Apple unilaterally bricked simply because you
> stopped logging into it for two years (this happened on two different
> iPads!).
> <https://i.postimg.cc/LXzB3Lc0/appleid01.jpg> Apple _forces_ a log in!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/8k3GQyj4/appleid09.jpg> Apple tracks your activity
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hhFNJ5mq/appleid010.jpg> Apps become non functional
> <https://i.postimg.cc/nrFHSvby/appleid11.jpg> Apple _forces_ extra logins!
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Y9kkj19v/appleid12.jpg> Apple tracking server login
>
> What's interesting is you Apple trolls know nothing about Apple.
> Why don't you Apple trolls know anything about how Apple really works?
>
>> What evidence do you have that providing Apple a phone number
>> compromises your privacy? What evidence that the phone number
>> compromises anything?
>
> Huh? It's your phone number. Only you. Nobody else. If you don't understand
> that it compromises your privacy, then let me ask you why you think NOBODY
> BUT APPLE does this? Nobody. Not Google. Not Microsoft. Just Apple.
>
> Do you Apple trolls understand anything at the level an adult should?
>
> Why, Tom Elam, do you think only Apple requires your phone number in order
> to install apps - when NOBODY else who makes an OS requires your privacy?
>
>> You never answer my questions. You don't have answers.
>
> You make that claim without even realizing I know more about Apple than all
> of you Apple trolls combined do - since NONE of you even know that you're
> logging into Apple mainframe servers every single moment of every day of
> the rest of your natural life. You don't know that. You think you're not.
>
> But you are.
>
> <https://i.postimg.cc/hvhgB91S/update01.jpg> iPadOS 16.3.1 is available
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Qtfsw654/update02.jpg> 16.3.1 Update Requested
> <https://i.postimg.cc/vmLGL8md/update03.jpg> About 10 minutes remaining
> <https://i.postimg.cc/d11gkJk6/update04.jpg> Preparing Update
> <https://i.postimg.cc/rw1B7n21/update05.jpg> Downloaded
> <https://i.postimg.cc/yN7MKm7w/update06.jpg> Finish Setting Up iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/13DSsRwN/update07.jpg> More for your iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Xv80B22j/update08.jpg> Update Apple ID Settings
> <https://i.postimg.cc/TYLGNJP0/update09.jpg> iPadOS Version 16.3.1
> <https://i.postimg.cc/L509Yy8Y/update10.jpg> Sign in to iCloud
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zvfDfm8Y/update11.jpg> Finished Setting up iPad
> <https://i.postimg.cc/Z5Nbnxtn/update12.jpg> Verifying update...
>
> Only Apple forces you to trade your privacy for the privilege of installing
> apps. Google doesn't do it. Neither does Microsoft. Just Apple.
>
> Why is that a fact, Tom Elam?

Google forces you to provide your date of birth and gender...

On 2024-11-19 16:34:18 +0000, Peter Piper said:

> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>
>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>
> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
> simply by changing its posting name.
>
> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.

And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 16:34:18 +0000, Peter Piper said:
>
>> Your Name a.k.a. BungleBob wrote:
>>
>>> Another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>>
>> This is not "another" troll. It is the same Arlen, making you dance
>> simply by changing its posting name.
>>
>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it. It will simply
>> change its name when it wants you to feed it again.
>
> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\
>
I really don’t get why people continue to engage with such an obviously
unhinged poster like Arlen. For one thing such engagement feeds his
delusions of grandeur.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>
> Answering it feeds it.
>
May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.

I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters
would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense
moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.

That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group
while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.

On 2024-11-19 21:30, Your Name wrote:

> And yet another brainless moron troll for the killfile. :-\

KF - but quietly.

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/ _ \ \ ||
/ |\____\ \ ||
/ | | | |\____/ ||
/ \|_|_|/ | _||
/ / \ |____| ||
/ | | | --|
| | | |____ --|
* _ | |_|_|_| | \-/
*-- _--\ _ \ | ||
/ _ \\ | / `'
* / \_ /- | | |
* ___ c_c_c_C/ \C_c_c_c____________

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>
>> Answering it feeds it.
>>
> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>
> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters
> would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense
> moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
> to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
>
> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group
> while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.

No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.

Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader than
a doornail. Other (web based and other) social media has taken over.

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On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>
>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>
>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>
>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
>> nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
>> of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
>> shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
>> multiple enablers.
>>
>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
>> group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
>> him.
>
> No troll August worked

"No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".

> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
> than a doornail.

When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
people just stay away as a result.

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Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>
>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>
>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>
>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive nutters
>> would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days of no nonsense
>> moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
>> to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.
>>
>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the group
>> while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after him.
>
> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.
>
> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader than
> a doornail. Other (web based and other) social media has taken over.

And likely preferable as Arlen won't ever be found there due to his
"privacy" issues. He can just rant away here on his own.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>>
>>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>>
>>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>>
>>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
>>> nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
>>> of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
>>> shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
>>> multiple enablers.
>>>
>>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
>>> group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
>>> him.
>>
>> No troll August worked
>
> "No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
> lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".

You'll note that the trolls posted far less that month.

>> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
>> than a doornail.
>
> When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
> people just stay away as a result.

Let us know when you're capable of that.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
>> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
>> people just stay away as a result.
>
> Let us know when you're capable of that.
>

+1 (Usenet’s Like button)

On 2024-11-21, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-21, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-19 22:29, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>> Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-19 11:34, Peter Piper wrote:
>>>>>> Adding it to your killfile will not stop you feeding it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Answering it feeds it.
>>>>>
>>>> May as well point that out to a brick wall as people will continue to
>>>> engage this nymshifting trolling nutcase.
>>>>
>>>> I recall decades ago posting to moderated groups where such abusive
>>>> nutters would be banhammered on sight. Those were the good ole days
>>>> of no nonsense moderators. Now groups like this devolve into a
>>>> shitshow thanks primarily to one or more bad actors and their
>>>> multiple enablers.
>>>>
>>>> That’s Arlen’s sole raison d'etre, smearing his feces across the
>>>> group while self-appointed janitors keep trying to clean up after
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> No troll August worked
>>
>> "No troll August" is a really strange way of saying "allowing trolls to
>> lie, belittle, and so on for a month here without objection".
>
> You'll note that the trolls posted far less that month.

Nope.

>>> Anyway, face it, usenet as meeting point as it used to be is deader
>>> than a doornail.
>>
>> When a newsgroup is run by trolls, it becomes just another lame advocacy
>> newsgroup, where friendly mature conversation isn't welcome and sensible
>> people just stay away as a result.
>
> Let us know when you're capable of that.

You first, asshole.

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*Hemidactylus* wrote on Wed, 20 Nov 2024 03:29:56 +0000 :

> Now groups like this devolve into a shitshow thanks primarily
> to one or more bad actors and their multiple enablers.

Having posted to Usenet for decades, I have to agree with you that the
Apple trolls like nospam, Lewis & JF Mezei have vastly improved the quality
of the discussions on this ng when they left....

We only have to get rid of the remaining "shit-show trolls" (as you refer
to them) of Jolly Roger, Alan Baker, Alan Browne, Chris, Haemactylus, Joerg
Lorenz, et al., and this newsgroup would start to become normal again.

I'm on many newsgroups daily - but only this ng is a shit show because of
those trolls - who interestingly - know absolutely nothing about anything.

Back to the topic you Apple trolls hate... there is no privacy on Apple.
And I proved it showing you *must* give away your identity to access apps.

No other operating system but Apple's forces you to surrender your privacy.

Alan Browne wrote on Thu, 21 Nov 2024 10:24:59 -0500 :

> No troll August worked in the main with only a few engaging it.

What idiots you Apple trolls are, Alan Browne.

I was on *vacation* in Germany most of August, you fools.

You Apple trolls are so stupid you can't understand that I have posted to
Usenet for decades, to dozens of groups, where I don't post here for your
affection.

You "think" I post for you love.
I don't.

I'm gonna post what needs to be posted whether or not you "love" it.

You own the mind of a child, Alan Browne, if you think otherwise.
And the fact you call people an "it" proves you own the mind of a child.

You think it hurts my feelings for you to call me an "it" Alan Browne.
While I won't devolve to your level - I will say that proves me right.

The instant you Apple trolls *leave* this newsgroup, the quality of
discussion will go up orders of magnitude (to the adult level).

Jolly Roger
Alan Baker
Alan Browne
Chris
Haemactylus
Joerg Lorenz
et. al

Back to the topic you Apple trolls hate... there is no privacy on Apple.
And I proved it.

Only Apple forces you to identify yourself just to download apps.
That's just a fact.