On 2024-05-17 17:26, Andrew wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:04:49 -0500 :
>
>>> Even if nobody is using them...
>>
>> Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
>> Glued together.
>
> This is true but at least 5% of Android models still have them.
> While 0% of Apple models ever had user-replaceable batteries.

Which is irrelevant.

>
>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>
> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a variety
> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.

No... ...it's really not.

>
> For example, apple zealots are completely ignorant that all Android phones
> (4.4 & above) are updated monthly completely seamlessly over the Internet.
>
> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
> "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
> referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
> in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
> media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

Is that every single update?

Don't you tout the wonder of being able to load software from anywhere?

>
> Google & Samsung phones have 7 years of multi-update full support.
> *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
> "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
> security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

That's only for their latest phones.

Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.

>
> *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
> <https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
> "That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
> the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."
>
> Apple only fully supports one release and one release alone.
> <https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

But supports phones going by 5 or 6 years ON that release.

>
> Which is partially why iPhones have more than 1-1/2 times known exploits!
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>
> The other part is by all accounts, Apple has the worst QA in the
> industry, which was easily proven by Google's Project Zero analysis.

No, actually.

On 5/16/2024 3:28 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>>
>> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
>> ✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
>> Citations ✓
>
>
> I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123 pages
> of refutations for your document...

I hope that nothing bad happened to him.

I think that he gave up on refutations since nearly every item on the
list has references and citations and he wasn't getting any traction
with his one-word responses.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 5/16/2024 8:32 AM, badgolferman wrote:

<snip>

> Considering nospam's Shift keys were broken and he worked overtime to
> defend Apple, maybe he was asking for more than Apple felt was worth
> defending their name.

You can be sure that these companies would be more than happy if people
like nospam stopped trying to "help" them.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

<snip>

> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> much, much more convenient.

And then carry around a separate device?!

If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.

You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).

sms wrote:
> iOS Features
> ------------
> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓
I believe you can chalk that up for Team Robot as well, though probably
on a very narrow combination of phones and providers
<https://www.reddit.com/r/tmobile/comments/1ct1no1/satellite_messaging_option_appeared_on_my_pixel_7/>

sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :

>> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>> much, much more convenient.
>
> And then carry around a separate device?!
>
> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.

Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.

#1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
(as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).

#2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.

#3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
(usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.

#4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!

None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).

> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).

*The best Android phones with expandable memory*
<https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>

Sony Xperia 1 V
MSRP: $1,399.99

Sony Xperia 10 V
MSRP: 449.00 Euros

Samsung Galaxy A55
MSRP: $470.00

Samsung Galaxy A35
MSRP: $400.00

Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
MSRP: $299.99

Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
MSRP: $200.00

On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>
>>> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>> much, much more convenient.
>>
>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>
>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>
> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.

Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...

>
> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
> (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).

"almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual memory...

....and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.

>
> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
> that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.

And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".

"memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to "random
access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when being
access by the CPU to execute instructions.

So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.

"Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store data
long term.

But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.

>
> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
> (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.

Hmmmmm...

If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...

....wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable
storage?

>
> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
> card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!

And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable storage?

>
> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).

My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could have
it back up to my computer.

>
>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>
> *The best Android phones with expandable memory*

Storage not memory.

> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
>
> Sony Xperia 1 V
> MSRP: $1,399.99

So to transfer between devices as you suggest...

....you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to
put it back in)...

....because:

'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'

>
> Sony Xperia 10 V
> MSRP: 449.00 Euros

Same.

>
> Samsung Galaxy A55
> MSRP: $470.00

Same.

>
> Samsung Galaxy A35
> MSRP: $400.00

Same.
>
> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
> MSRP: $299.99

At least this one has a dedicated slot...

>
> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
> MSRP: $200.00

....but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!

And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important
functions just to transfer data seems...

....pretty impractical to me.

And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android phones
released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.

And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
>> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>>
>>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>>> much, much more convenient.
>>>
>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>>
>>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>>
>> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of which
>> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card can do.
>
> Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
>
>>
>> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know about).
>
> "almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual memory...
>
> ...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
>
>
>>
>> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone knows
>>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures & videos.
>
> And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
>
> "memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to "random
> access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when being access
> by the CPU to execute instructions.
>
> So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
>
> "Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store data
> long term.
>
> But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
>
>>
>> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
>
> Hmmmmm...
>
> If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
>
> ...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable storage?
>
>>
>> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING works!
>
> And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable storage?
>
>>
>> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
>> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
>
> My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could have it
> back up to my computer.
>
>>
>>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony XPERIA
>>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>>
>>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
>
> Storage not memory.
>
>>
>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
>>
>>
>> Sony Xperia 1 V
>> MSRP: $1,399.99
>
> So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
>
> ...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to put
> it back in)...
>
> ...because:
>
> 'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
>
>>
>> Sony Xperia 10 V
>> MSRP: 449.00 Euros
>
> Same.
>
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A55
>> MSRP: $470.00
>
> Same.
>
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A35
>> MSRP: $400.00
>
>
> Same.
>>
>> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
>> MSRP: $299.99
>
> At least this one has a dedicated slot...
>
>>
>> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
>> MSRP: $200.00
>
> ...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
>
> And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important functions
> just to transfer data seems...
>
> ...pretty impractical to me.
>
> And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android phones
> released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
>
> And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.

Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone till
2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.

My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works with
old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that allows
using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3 speed. Why
the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"? It's also real
clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you are persistent.
Not really worth the effort.

But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in 1982,
an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running at 1 Mhz.
(no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)

I just use all apple garden supplied stuff. iCloud, apple account, app
store, iTunes, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier that way. Too much work to
try to use any other way. I have never done a "jailbreak", nor even peeked
over the garden wall.

I can say it works very well, but sometimes I feel like I am in the year
1980 when I power on my trusty iphone. Still, it works, so I'm not whining,
I just take it for what it is ... as reliable as any modern pocket "telephone".

On 2024-05-18 15:07, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-18 05:59, Andrew wrote:
>>> sms wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 18:22:21 -0700 :
>>>
>>>>>     For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>>>> much, much more convenient.
>>>>
>>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>>>
>>>> If you like to store large quantities of photos, music or audiobooks or
>>>> video content on your phone then the MicroSD card expansion is great.
>>>> That said, none of the phones I currently use have a MicroSD card slot.
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that "portable" storage means different things, none of
>>> which
>>> an iPhone can do, but all of which an Android phone with an sd card
>>> can do.
>>
>> Keep in mind that that which follows is pretty much all bullshit...
>>
>>>
>>> #1. Sure it means "expanding" the memory - but almost nobody does that
>>>      (as it's too slow and limiting in a variety of ways we all know
>>> about).
>>
>> "almost nobody does that" would mean "almost nobody does" virtual
>> memory...
>>
>> ...and both Android and iOS definitely DO employ virtual memory.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> #2. And just as sure, it means "extending" the memory - but everyone
>>> knows
>>>      that also - which is what most people do to store pictures &
>>> videos.
>>
>> And now the doofus mixes his use of the term "memory".
>>
>> "memory" on a computing device has always been used to refer to
>> "random access memory" which is volatile and where data is store when
>> being access by the CPU to execute instructions.
>>
>> So MEMORY is NEVER used to "store pictures & videos": that is STORAGE.
>>
>> "Storage" is used to refer to the non-volatile medium used to store
>> data long term.
>>
>> But more on the reference to '"extending" the memory' in a moment.
>>
>>>
>>> #3. Also, just as surely, it means popping the card into another device
>>>      (usually a PC) for the purpose of backing up or moving data.
>>
>> Hmmmmm...
>>
>> If you "extend" the "memory" (actually storage)...
>>
>> ...wouldn't that mean that only SOME of the data is on the removable
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> #4. But what very few people understand it also means you can swap the
>>>      card out of your old phone into your new phone and EVERYTHING
>>> works!
>>
>> And wouldn't it also mean that "EVERYTHING" isn't ON the removable
>> storage?
>>
>>>
>>> None of that can an iPhone do (which is one reason iPhones are severely
>>> limited, not only in lack of software functionality, but hardware too).
>>
>> My iPhone backs itself up to the cloud, but if I preferred, I could
>> have it back up to my computer.
>>
>>>
>>>> You're pretty much limited to very low end phones if you want a MicroSD
>>>> card slot and/or a headphone jack, with the exception of the Sony
>>>> XPERIA
>>>> phones (which can cost more than an iPhone Pro Max model).
>>>
>>>   *The best Android phones with expandable memory*
>>
>> Storage not memory.
>>
>>> <https://www.androidauthority.com/best-android-phones-expandable-memory-696913/>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 1 V
>>> MSRP: $1,399.99
>>
>> So to transfer between devices as you suggest...
>>
>> ...you have to disable your phone twice (once to take it out, once to
>> put it back in)...
>>
>> ...because:
>>
>> 'microSDXC (uses shared SIM slot)'
>>
>>>
>>> Sony Xperia 10 V
>>> MSRP: 449.00 Euros
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A55
>>> MSRP: $470.00
>>
>> Same.
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A35
>>> MSRP: $400.00
>>
>>
>> Same.
>>>
>>> Motorola Moto G Power 5G (2024)
>>> MSRP: $299.99
>>
>> At least this one has a dedicated slot...
>>
>>>
>>> Samsung Galaxy A15 5G
>>> MSRP: $200.00
>>
>> ...but then we're back to a slot shared with the SIM!
>>
>> And having to temporarily deactivate the phone's most important
>> functions just to transfer data seems...
>>
>> ...pretty impractical to me.
>>
>> And to put it in perspective, less than a quarter of the Android
>> phones released in the last 3 years have separate card slots for storage.
>>
>> And only about 60% have any kind of storage card support at all.
>
> Did any early iphones ever support storage cards? I never had iphone
> till 2021 (SE2020 model). Never had an android either.

Nope.

>
> My iphone does have a really slow primitive lightning port that works
> with old usb2 flash drives. I had to buy the special apple gadget that
> allows using a flash drive or camera on the lightening port. No usb3
> speed. Why the hell do they call something this slow "lightning"?  It's
> also real clumsy with the files app, but it does actually work if you
> are persistent. Not really worth the effort.

A Lightning port introduced in 2012...

....and kept for compatibility with all accessories sold.

And 480Mb/s is practically about 48MB/s (I divide by 10 to allow for
overhead)...

....which is nearly 3GB/minute.

>
> But the phone works really well. Reminds me of my first computer in
> 1982, an Ohio Scientific single board with 6502 microprocessor running
> at 1 Mhz. (no storage card either, just 300 baud cassette tape)

Yup. It "works really well".

Which is what keeps normal people (i.e. not Arlen) coming back.

>
> I just use all apple garden supplied stuff. iCloud, apple account, app
> store, iTunes, etc. It's a hell of a lot easier that way. Too much work
> to try to use any other way. I have never done a "jailbreak", nor even
> peeked over the garden wall.
>
> I can say it works very well, but sometimes I feel like I am in the year
> 1980 when I power on my trusty iphone. Still, it works, so I'm not
> whining, I just take it for what it is ... as reliable as any modern
> pocket "telephone".

And what model is it?

You get that they make newer, faster ones, right?

>

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> > memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> > memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> > Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> > much, much more convenient.
>
> And then carry around a separate device?!

I interpreted 'Arlen''s "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
any device which can handle MicroSD cards.

(IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.

But meanwhile 'Arlen' has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.

That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".

[...]

On 2024-05-19 03:02, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2024 12:34 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
>>> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
>>> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
>>> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
>>> much, much more convenient.
>>
>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>
> I interpreted 'Arlen''s "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
> copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
> any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
>
> (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
> with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.

Especially as so many phones are now using the same tray for the SIM...

....so you have to stop using the phone AS A PHONE...

....twice!

>
> But meanwhile 'Arlen' has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
> move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
> is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
>
> That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
> I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".
>
> [...]

Frank Slootweg wrote on 19 May 2024 10:02:46 GMT :

>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>
> I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
> copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y can be
> any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
>
> (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than fiddling
> with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
>
> But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
> move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So he
> is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
>
> That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not something
> I would have described with a general term like "portable storage".

This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know it.

As I said, there are at multiple use models for using the sd card in a
expandable/extensible & movable/portable sense.

Most people, including myself, use the sd card to store data, APKs, map
databases, encrypted files and media files.

However... since I re-format all my sd cards to the same volume label, I
also use the sd card to repopulate another phone when the need arises, and
the beauty is that everything works instantly. I can even repopulate the
_same_ phone with a larger card, if and when the need arises, simply by
ensuring the volume label and the top-level /0001/{folders} tree
remains consistent.

The entire file system is portable!
It's a brilliant use of sd cards, in fact.

That a phone without sd is crippled compared to one with sd is so obvious
that for there to be any disagreement only means the child-like Apple users
are on the thread as it's all well-known fact what sd adds to the phone.

Which is why many Android phones still have sd card slots, including mine.

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 19 May 2024 10:02:46 GMT :
>
>>> And then carry around a separate device?!
>>
>> I interpreted his "portable storage" as a sneaker-net mechanism,
>> copying a bunch of files from device X to device Y, where X and Y
>> can be any device which can handle MicroSD cards.
>>
>> (IM) For *that*, a memory-stick is much more conevenient than
>> fiddling with tiny MicroSD cards and tiny 'slots'/'trays'.
>>
>> But meanwhile he has explained that he uses the MicroSD card to
>> move a complete file system from and 'old' phone to a 'new' one. So
>> he is not copying files, but moving a complete file system.
>>
>> That is a very specific use of the MicroSD card feature, not
>> something I would have described with a general term like "portable
>> storage".
>
> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
> it.

Narrator: They know. They just don't care.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:02:53 GMT :

>> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
>> it.
>
> Narrator: They know. They just don't care.

I doubt the Apple users are aware of the enormous power of sd cards.
SD is extensible/expandable and convenient movable/portable storage.

I've never heard of a single Apple user on this group understand that.
What those ignorant Apple users do is always what Apple tells them to do.

Which is to constantly daily for the rest of their lives send all their
private data to Cupertino's hackable servers which they're logged into
24/7/365 over the traceable Internet - just to then claim even after losing
all their privacy and paying for storage on the Internet every moment of
their lives, that they still can't do anywhere near what sd does.

Which makes profits for Apple (and all their data available to hackers).
At the users' expense.

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:02:53 GMT :
>
>>> This is so basic that it's shocking that the Apple people don't know
>>> it.
>>
>> Narrator: They know. They just don't care.
>
> I doubt the Apple users are aware of the enormous power of sd cards.

SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they exist
and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for many,
many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're obsessed
with them.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:27:23 GMT :

> SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they exist
> and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for many,
> many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're obsessed
> with them.

Then you agree that a phone without sd can't do what a phone with sd can.

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:27:23 GMT :
>
>> SD cards are storage devices, nothing more. Everyone is aware they
>> exist and how they work, Arlen. In fact, Macs have supported them for
>> many, many years. Again, they know. They just don't care. And you're
>> obsessed with them.
>
> Then you agree that a phone without sd can't do what a phone with sd
> can.

A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.

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Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :

> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
> iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
> about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
> iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.

All my APKs (every app, every version) are automatically stored on my sd
card at the time of installation, Jolly Roger, such that I can repopulate
any other Android on the planet simply by popping the card into that phone.

Can an iPhone do that?

I have my homescreen backed up to the sd card, Jolly Roger, with all folder
names and locations, and all app shortcut names and locations Jolly Roger,
so everything is on the phone if the phone needs to be factory reset and
everything is portable to another phone should I want to populate it.

Can an iPhone do that?

I can easily double or triple the internal storage capacity for my media
and data files using an inexpensive sd card any time that sd get better
over time - thereby extending the useful life of any phone with sd cards.

Can an iPhone do that?

The fact is an iPhone is nothing but a dumb terminal that can't do half of
that while the other half requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers.

iPhone === dumb terminal

On 2024-05-19, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
>
>> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card -
>> something iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you
>> are obsessing about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD
>> card slots on iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
>
> All my APKs blah blah blah
>
> iPhone === dumb terminal

Your only goal here is to troll, Arlen.

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On 2024-05-19 13:07, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 19 May 2024 19:32:25 GMT :
>
>> A device with an SD card slot can store things on an SD card - something
>> iPhone users couldn't care less about. The only reason you are obsessing
>> about SD cards is because Apple chooses not to add SD card slots on
>> iPhones. It's your weak attempt at trolling, as usual.
>
> All my APKs (every app, every version) are automatically stored on my sd
> card at the time of installation, Jolly Roger, such that I can repopulate
> any other Android on the planet simply by popping the card into that phone.
>
> Can an iPhone do that?
>
> I have my homescreen backed up to the sd card, Jolly Roger, with all folder
> names and locations, and all app shortcut names and locations Jolly Roger,
> so everything is on the phone if the phone needs to be factory reset and
> everything is portable to another phone should I want to populate it.

Mine is backed up in the cloud and/or on my computer.

Not really a difference.

>
> Can an iPhone do that?
>
> I can easily double or triple the internal storage capacity for my media
> and data files using an inexpensive sd card any time that sd get better
> over time - thereby extending the useful life of any phone with sd cards.
>
> Can an iPhone do that?
>
> The fact is an iPhone is nothing but a dumb terminal that can't do half of
> that while the other half requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers.

LOL!

On 5/17/24 9:00 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-17 17:26, Andrew wrote:
>> Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:04:49 -0500 :
>>
>>>> Even if nobody is using them...
>>>
>>> Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
>>> Glued together.
>>
>> This is true but at least 5% of Android models still have them.
>> While 0% of Apple models ever had user-replaceable batteries.
>
> Which is irrelevant.

Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't. It would take
some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
Old Stock" that's still available for sale.

>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>
>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
>> variety
>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>
> No... ...it's really not.

This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.

As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean? Its only
of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS). Plus the Law of
Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.

>> For example, apple zealots are completely ignorant that all Android
>> phones
>> (4.4 & above) are updated monthly completely seamlessly over the
>> Internet.
>>
>> <https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
>>    "Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
>>     referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
>>     in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
>>     media services, Emergency alerts, and others."
>
> Is that every single update?
>
> Don't you tout the wonder of being able to load software from anywhere?
>
>>
>> Google & Samsung phones have 7 years of multi-update full support.
>>   *Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
>>
>> <https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
>>   "Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
>>    security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."
>
> That's only for their latest phones.
>
> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.

Yes, that's been their track record history. Plus:

>>   *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software
>> updates*

These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their
products be better able to compete against Apple.

Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to
be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what
their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.

-hh

-hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :

>> Which is irrelevant.
>
> Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
> to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.

You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
(mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).

> It would take
> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.

Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.

What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
(since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).

Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
then your choices are severely limited.

But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
(because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).

>>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>>
>>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
>>> variety
>>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>>
>> No... ...it's really not.
>
> This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
> statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
> whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.

Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry,
you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
> As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?

It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.

> Its only
> of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
> also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
> software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).

Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.

Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.

> Plus the Law of
> Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
> analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.

You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the
hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.

>> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
>
> Yes, that's been their track record history.

Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple
says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.

>>> � *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software
>>> updates*
>
> These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their
> products be better able to compete against Apple.
>
> Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to
> be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what
> their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.

Why do you think the iPhone historically always has had more than twice the
zero-day holes and more than 1-1/2 times the exploits of Android?

Do you think the fact the iPhone is exploited more and has more 0 days may
be because Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry perhaps?

See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.
--
FACT:
*Apple only fully supports a single release.*
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

FACT:
*Apple always has far more exploits than does Android.*
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

FACT:
*Apple only recently (in iOS 16) started the RSR patch mechanism.*
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

FACT:
*Google & Craig Federighi both said Apple QA is lacking in coverage.*
<https://googleprojectzero.blogspot.com/2019/08/a-very-deep-dive-into-ios-exploit.html>
"The root causes I highlight here are not novel and are often overlooked.
*We'll see cases of iOS code which seems to have never worked*,
*iOS code that likely skipped QA or likely had little testing*
*or no code review before the iOS release was shipped to users*."

See also:
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2016/02/15/what-apple-did-and-didnt-say-about-its-software-quality/>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>
<https://www.axios.com/2018/01/30/scoop-apple-delays-ios-features-to-focus-on-reliability-performance-1517278421>
<https://www.quiverquant.com/news/Apple%20Prioritizes%20Software%20Stability%20Over%20New%20Features%20in%20Strategic%20Shift>

On 2024-05-22 09:27, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :
>
>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>
>> Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
>> to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.
>
> You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
> (mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).

And yet Apple has incredible consumer loyalty...

>
>> It would take
>> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
>
> Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
>
> What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
> jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).

And yet people keep buying iPhones and replacing them with iPhones when
they change phones.

>
> Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
> then your choices are severely limited.
>
> But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
> (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).

LOL!

On 5/22/24 12:27 PM, Andrew wrote:
> -hh wrote on Wed, 22 May 2024 11:07:01 -0400 :
>
>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>
>> Indeed. All that saying that ~95% of Android products have moved along
>> to current design philosophies, while the last 5% haven't.
>
> You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
> (mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).

Since the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design
choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make
it out to be. It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying
a "where the puck is going to be".

>> It would take
>> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
>
> Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.

I'm aware of that. Now go back and check to see how many of those were
actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that
was merely still available for sale.

> What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
> jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).

Incorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these
features too. And what have all three? Probably just a tiny fraction.

Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of
these product feature are integral to product success in the, to
demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".

Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer" differentiator as
you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all
three should be quite large. It isn't.

> Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
> then your choices are severely limited.
>
> But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
> (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).

But 95% of Android doesn't offer that choice either, so that feature is
simply not an indicator. Especially since you've not been able to show
if the 5% residual is actually still in production, as opposed to left
over inventory.

>>>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>>>
>>>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
>>>> variety
>>>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>>>
>>> No... ...it's really not.
>>
>> This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
>> statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
>> whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
>
> Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry,
> you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.

Just what is "hotfix" supposed to mean here? And why is it now being
introduced as a new Goalpost?

>> As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
>
> It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
> support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
> products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I ever
had any issues or troubles from their current & historical level of
product support: I'm predominantly going by what you've tried to brag
about, which I see as evidence of Android/Google trying to catch up.

>> Its only
>> of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
>> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
>> also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
>> software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
>
> Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
> knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.

How can any software developer patch bugs that they don't know about?

Or are you trying to criticize the entire industry for their practice of
sun-setting support on old obsolete & superseded software that's if its
used by anyone at all, its <0.0001% of the installed base?

If so, show us the dates of the latest bug & security updates for
Android OS versions 1 (2008) through 6 (2015): I'm sure that there's
been zero for the past five years, if not longer.

> Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.

Unsubstantiated claim. Golly, how about that.

>> Plus the Law of
>> Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
>> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
>> analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
>> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
>
> You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the
> hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.

You're correct that I didn't bother to read that, because all that one
has to do to mitigate whatever theoretical risk you're concerned about
is just to maintain one's equipment to the latest OS. Since MacOS and
iOS updates from Apple are free of charge, there's few reasons not to.

>>> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
>>
>> Yes, that's been their track record history.
>
> Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
> industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple
> says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.

Unsubstantiated claim. Again. Golly, how about that.

>>>> � *Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software
>>>> updates*
>>
>> These "7 years" announcements were clearly made to try to have their
>> products be better able to compete against Apple.
>>
>> Plus they're merely promises of future performance which remains yet to
>> be seen as achievable in real world practice. Let's wait to see what
>> their respective SEC filings say about these initiatives.
>
> Why do you think the iPhone historically always has had more than twice the
> zero-day holes and more than 1-1/2 times the exploits of Android? > Do you think the fact the iPhone is exploited more and has more 0
days may
> be because Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry perhaps?

"When asked why he robbed banks, Sutton simply replied,
'Because that's where the money is.'"

> See references in the sig since I speak facts about Apple & Android.

No need to, as you clearly don't sufficiently understand the industry.

-hh

-hh wrote on Fri, 24 May 2024 10:30:57 -0400 :

>> You missed the point of having choices that Apple never gives users
>> (mainly because there are few companies as anti-consumer as Apple is).
>
> Since the rest of the Industry (well, 95%) has adopted the same design
> choice, it really isn't as tyrannical of Apple as you're trying to make
> it out to be. It is more indicative of Apple appropriately identifying
> a "where the puck is going to be".

You're so desperate to excuse Apple's well-known anti-consumer stance that
you brazen fabricate out of thin air that more than half is, now, only 5%?

>>> It would take
>>> some more research to determine if these holdouts are actually still in
>>> production (and for what market segment) or if they're now down to "New
>>> Old Stock" that's still available for sale.
>>
>> Those were phones on sale at the time that the search was run.
>
> I'm aware of that. Now go back and check to see how many of those were
> actually --> still in production <-- versus being obsolete stock that
> was merely still available for sale.

Those are recent figures which you hate because Apple has never supplied
the user with basic hardware functionality that Android always enjoyed.

>> What's relevant is if you're on Android & you want an sd card or an aux
>> jack or an FM radio, you can extremely easily find a model today with them,
>> (since about half of Android phones sold today have one or more of them).
>
> Incorrect, because your claim also means ~half have none of these
> features too. And what have all three? Probably just a tiny fraction.
>
> Once again, you're just not being successful in identifying if any of
> these product feature are integral to product success in the, to
> demonstrate if Apple's disinclination towards them is "anti-consumer".
>
> Indeed, if they were as much of a "pro consumer" differentiator as
> you're trying to imply, then the fraction of Androids which featured all
> three should be quite large. It isn't.

It's no longer shocking how desperate you Apple religious zealots are to
defend that Apple has never supplied you with basic hardware functionality.

>> Unfortunately, it also means that if you want a user-removable battery,
>> then your choices are severely limited.
>>
>> But it also shows Android hardware is always better than iPhone hardware
>> (because Apple gives you no choice for any of those 4 hardware features).
>
> But 95% of Android doesn't offer that choice either, so that feature is
> simply not an indicator. Especially since you've not been able to show
> if the 5% residual is actually still in production, as opposed to left
> over inventory.

It's no longer amazing how desperate you are to defend that cheap iPhone
which has never had even the most basic of standard hardware functionality.

>>>>>> And the software that drops support after a few years.
>>>>>
>>>>> The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a
>>>>> variety
>>>>> of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.
>>>>
>>>> No... ...it's really not.
>>>
>>> This doesn't actually matter, because fundamentally, its not a profound
>>> statement: by literal definition as per set theory, no subset of a
>>> whole can ever be greater than the whole from which it was a subset.
>>
>> Au contraire... given Apple's hotfix support is the worst in the industry,
>> you're only saying bugfix support isn't important because it's not there.
>
> Just what is "hotfix" supposed to mean here? And why is it now being
> introduced as a new Goalpost?

You zealots are so desperate to defend Apple's worst support in the
industry that you claim you don't even know what a bug fix is?

>>> As such, just what does 'full software support' really mean?
>>
>> It's no longer shocking you didn't read Apple's own definition of full
>> support, given you Apple religious zealots not only know nothing of Apple
>> products - but you "think" you know everything about Android & iOS.
> I've not read the fine print because I'm not a fanboy, nor have I ever
> had any issues or troubles from their current & historical level of
> product support: I'm predominantly going by what you've tried to brag
> about, which I see as evidence of Android/Google trying to catch up.

You're too desperate. Fixing all the known bugs is not fine print.
Fixing all known bugs is what everyone does for multiple releases.
*Except Apple*

Only Apple only fixes all the bugs it knows about in only one release.
*Apple has the worst support in the industry*
>>> Its only
>>> of value if every Android smartphone sold is capable of using the 'full'
>>> breadth of this software set (which is dang near impossible) and then
>>> also only if this 'full' set is materially different (better) than
>>> software sets from other providers (eg, Apple iOS).
>>
>> Idiot. You're making lame excuses for Apple only patching all the bugs it
>> knows about in only the latest iOS or mac release - which are dumb excuses.
>
> How can any software developer patch bugs that they don't know about?
>
> Or are you trying to criticize the entire industry for their practice of
> sun-setting support on old obsolete & superseded software that's if its
> used by anyone at all, its <0.0001% of the installed base?
>
> If so, show us the dates of the latest bug & security updates for
> Android OS versions 1 (2008) through 6 (2015): I'm sure that there's
> been zero for the past five years, if not longer.

You are defending what is known to be the absolute worst support in the
industry & you don't even understand how iOS or Android update.

>> Apple's bugfix support for operating systems is the worst in the industry.
>
> Unsubstantiated claim. Golly, how about that.

Read the cites. Every operating system except Apple's patches all bugs they
know about in multiple releases. Only Apple doesn't. That's just a fact.

<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

>>> Plus the Law of
>>> Diminishing Returns applies too: just because something is "N+1" larger
>>> doesn't mean that the "+1" increment is also significant. To use a
>>> analogy, $10,000,001 is pedantically "more money" than $10,000,000, but
>>> that extra dollar doesn't make this difference be significant.
>>
>> You didn't even read Apple's own explanation that they never patch all the
>> hole in operating systems that they know exist - except the latest OS only.
>
> You're correct that I didn't bother to read that, because all that one
> has to do to mitigate whatever theoretical risk you're concerned about
> is just to maintain one's equipment to the latest OS. Since MacOS and
> iOS updates from Apple are free of charge, there's few reasons not to.

It's no longer shocking you Apple religious zealots deny even what Apple
said about their hotfix support being the worst in the industry bar none.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

>>>> Apple has mostly supported it's phones for longer than Samsung OR Google.
>>>
>>> Yes, that's been their track record history.
>>
>> Apple's operating system support has _always_ been the worst in the
>> industry. The only reason you don't know that is you don't know what Apple
>> says about Apple NOT PATCHING all known bugs in any release but the latest.
>
> Unsubstantiated claim. Again. Golly, how about that.

And yet, I provided the cites which prove only Apple patches all the bugs
it knows about only in a single release while nobody's support is that bad.

Samsung and Google support 7 years of operating system updates
and 7 years of security updates to the operating system, Jolly Roger.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*

<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."