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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Alan
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
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On 2024-05-17 17:59, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:09:08 GMT :
>
>>> Please see this image
>>
>> I don't need to see any image. iMessage is optional and opt-in. That's a
>> fact, Jack.
>
> Actually, if you stop logging into the various Apple mainframe tracking
> servers, after about two years, Apple will unilaterally lock you out.
>
> Ask me how I know this fact.

It's not a fact.

It is completely and utterly false.

>
>>> most US iPhone owners do log into the Apple iMessaging servers
>>
>> Your claim that the iPhone logs into iMesage automatically is FALSE - a
>> LIE.
>
> You log in once, and forever more it keeps you logged in Jolly Roger.
> That you don't know that is no longer shocking about you Apple zealots.

But you can log out of iMessages on any iOS device:

'On your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch:

Go to Settings > Messages > Send & Receive. Tap your Apple ID, then tap
Sign Out.'

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/108758>

>
>>> Most likely the reason you are unaware that Apple nags you dozens of
>>> times a day, every day, to log into their many tracking servers, is
>>> you log in.
>>
>> Nope, sorry. Thanks for playing. Normal people rarely are asked to log
>> in dozens of times a day. You created that situation by logging in with
>> a fake email address and credentials you admitted you don't remember
>> which made it impossible for you to recover access to your account - a
>> very, very stupid thing to do. Then you turn around every chance you get
>> and try to blame Apple for your utter stupidity.
>
> You're wrong, Jolly Roger. I have the full login/password of all devices.
> You just wish that were the case - but I went to Apple and they unbricked
> one of my iPads so that I could log in again - using the SAME
> login/password that I always used, Jolly Roger.
>
> The second iPad they wouldn't unbrick because I had to produce the receipt,
> even though I gave them my government ID to prove who I was.

But that ID didn't prove you OWNED that iPad, Arlen.

>
> Those to situations prove the lies Apple spews about privacy since there is
> no privacy on iPhones for a huge variety of reasons, the fact you must log
> into the Apple servers (or Apple will brick it) being just one of them.
>
>>> iOS is a dumb terminal
>>
>> Bullshit.
>
> Heh heh heh... you hate the truth about Apple products Jolly Roger.
> It's no longer shocking you think you can download apps without logging
> into Apple's mainframe tracking servers (yes, I know about the EU thing).

I'm sorry, but the idea that iOS is a dumb terminal IS bullshit.

>
> You can't.
>
>>>>> 2. iPhone sends a short video clip to multiple recipients using
>>>>> Messages
>>>>
>>>> The user could choose to send the video on another messaging app/service
>>>> if they wish.
>>>
>>> You do not understand
>>
>> I understand that you are here bitching about MMS messaging video
>> quality when any other messaging app/service will preserve video quality
>> just fine.
>
> The problem is simply that nobody in this thread has fully understood how
> it works, least of all you and certainly I've said from the start I didn't.

<https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=what+happens+when+you+send+a+large+video+file+by+mms&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8>

'A recipient's carrier can also limit the size. For example, if the
intended recipient's carrier doesn't support your large file size, it
will reject or compress the file. This will happen even if your carrier
supports the large file size.'

'Have you ever tried to text a video to a friend, but you got a “Message
size limit reached” error? Or perhaps you sent the message, but your
friend received a blurry video instead of the original? That’s probably
because your message exceeded the Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS)
file size limit.'

<https://www.twilio.com/en-us/blog/how-to-increase-mms-size-limit-android>

>
> You say you do but you say you understand everything and yet you're always
> wrong, Jolly Roger. Like when you said Apple fully supports older releases.
>
>>> you have no clue what people do on their devices
>>
>> That's ironic as fuck coming from the dumb ass troll who doesn't know
>> how something as basic as MMS messaging works.
>
> And yet, not only don't you know how it works on an iPhone when they send a
> video clip to a group of users on both platforms, but nobody else knew
> either.
>
> The only difference is you claim to know everything when it's clear you
> don't know how it works (e.g., it's highly likely the downsizing is done by
> the iPhone as doing it anywhere else would negate the purpose of doing it).

'First of all, your carrier is the one that limits the MMS file size,
not your phone. For example, Verizon only allows images up to 1.2 MB and
videos up to 3.5 MB, while T-Mobile has a 1 MB limit for sending (3 MB
for receiving).

A recipient’s carrier can also limit the size. For example, if the
intended recipient’s carrier doesn’t support your large file size, it
will reject or compress the file. This will happen even if your carrier
supports the large file size.'

>
>
>>>>> 3. Presumably that clip _first_ goes to an Apple iMessaging
>>>>> server????? (is that correct?) (or does the iPhone do the splitting?)
>>>>
>>>> Wrong again. The video is sent as an MMS message which goes through the
>>>> cellular carriers MMS service. Cellular carriers are notorious for
>>>> degrading MMS video quality to reduce data usage on their networks.
>>>
>>> You do not show that you understand the process, Jolly Roger, as we all
>>> know that it's _received_ as an MMS message on Android
>>
>> You complete fool - it cannot be received as an MMS without it being
>> *sent* over the cellular network as an MMS. MMS messages are not sent
>> through iMessage - period.
>
> I said we all know it's received as an MMS message on Android, JR.
>
>>
>>> but that's no longer the question that needs to be answered.
>>
>> I'm not answering a question. I'm telling you what reality is, dummy.
>
> Except that you don't know how it works either, Jolly Roger.
>
> The two things you don't know, and nobody so far knows, is
> a. How does the iPhone know you're no longer logged into the
> Apple mainframe tracking servers if it doesn't check them?
> b. Where is the downsizing done?

The only one who doesn't know those things is you, Arlen.

>
>>> The question that needs to be answered is the following:
>>>
>>> 1. Is the video split up (between platform recipients) on the iPhone,
>>> or on the Apple mainframe servers or on carrier mainframe servers?
>>
>> The video isn't "split up" at all. As I have already told you, if the
>> recipient is an iMessage user, the video is sent via iMessage. If not,
>> it is sent via the cellular network as an MMS message.
>
> That's what I mean by split. It's a fork.
>
>>> 2. Is the video downsized on that same server?
>>
>> The video is downsized as a requirement for MMS messaging because MMS
>> has strict file size limits set by the particular cellular service
>> providers. For instance Verizon allows images up to 1.2 MB in size and
>> videos up to 3.5 MB in size. AT&T restricts videos to only 1 MB in size.
>> If a video is larger than that, it gets compressed automatically by the
>> cellular service provider before delivery. Note that iMessage is
>> not involved in any part of this process - nor is a log in to Apple's
>> servers required or used.
>
> Nobody is sure of that except you.
> And you've never been right before.

<https://www.twilio.com/en-us/blog/how-to-increase-mms-size-limit-android>

>
> So what you say is suspect without any cites to back up your guesses.
>
>>>>> That's the first point of confusion that I'd like to iron out.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that you are this clueless about basic messaging says all we
>>>> need to know about your claim to know more about Apple than anyone
>>>> else here. I'd feel embarrassed for you, except you sling insults
>>>> regularly here so you deserve the ridicule you get.
>>>
>>> And yet you also don't appear to know the answer to the basic question
>>> of where is the action of splitting up the video to two different
>>> outgoing mechanisms performed - nor where the downsizing is performed,
>>> Jolly Roger.
>>
>> Bitch, I've known this for literal decades. It's no secret. You can find
>> this out with basic web searches. You're just a huge fucking clown.
>
> And you "knew for decades" that Apple fully supported older releases too.
> And that was a lie since the start.


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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-17 17:43, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:33:19 GMT :
>
>>> There is a downsampling so that's the conversion we are speaking of.
>>> That downsampling is happening somewhere - where you don't say where.
>>> Where is the downsampling occurring?
>>
>> I already told you it happens on the receiving cellular provider's side,
>> as each provider sets their own file size limits.
>
> And you are most likely wrong, Jolly Roger, which Frank Slootweg explained.
> But you tried so I'll leave it at that.

'What is the MMS file size limit on Android?

First of all, your carrier is the one that limits the MMS file size, not
your phone. For example, Verizon only allows images up to 1.2 MB and
videos up to 3.5 MB, while T-Mobile has a 1 MB limit for sending (3 MB
for receiving).

A recipient’s carrier can also limit the size. For example, if the
intended recipient’s carrier doesn’t support your large file size, it
will reject or compress the file. This will happen even if your carrier
supports the large file size.'

<https://www.twilio.com/en-us/blog/how-to-increase-mms-size-limit-android>

>
>>> The process, based on what you said, appears to be this, is that correct?
>>>
>>> 1. iPhone sender is logged into the iMessaging Apple mainframe servers
>>
>> Oh, tHe HoRrOr - tHeY aRe LoGgEd InTo MaInFrAmE sErVeRs, yOu SaY??
>
> Apple is like Ashley Madison, claiming privacy while it's always a lie.
> You're logged into Apple tracking servers every moment of your life.

EVERY message service logs you in, Arlen.

>
> Apple's promise of privacy is as false as Ashley Madison's promise was.
>
>> No other messagaing app or service requires you to be logged
>> into it, RIGHT
>
> There is no other common consumer platform which requires you to be logged
> into it for the basic functionality of the phone - except for iOS, JR.

We're discussing message apps and services.

>
> That you don't understand that fact is indicative of your religious mantra.
>
>>> iPhone recipient is also logged into the iMessaging Apple mainframes
>>
>> Oh, noz!
>
> That you are unaware that Android sends & receives messages through the
> default messenger app without logging into Google servers is clear.

But every service requires you to be authorized to use it.

>
> Only Apple requires you log into their mainframe servers for the messaging
> functionality that Apple advertises and that you religious zealots love.

Apple doesn't require that:

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/108758>

>
>>> Android recipient is not logged into Apple or Google mainframes
>>
>> Lots of Android users log into Google servers.
>> And that's irrelevant as to this discussion, you tool.
>
> It's no longer shocking you don't understand that no other operating system
> but iOS requires the user to be logged in 24/7/365 for basic functionality.
>
> Google does not require that login into Google's mainframe servers.
> Apple does.

But messaging services require you to be "logged in", Arlen.

>
> Note: You can say "don't log in" but I've done that. Apple will
> unilaterally brick your iOS device if you stop logging into the servers
> for a period of time (two years in my case on two different iPads).

That is utterly false.

>
> There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device to be a dumb terminal, JR.
> It can't do anything that you love about iOS without Apple server logins.

Also false.

>
>>> All have an active data connection to carrier towers & servers
>>> Apparently on the Apple messaging mainframe server is kept a detailed
>>> tracking of iOS-owners' AppleID associated with their phone number.
>>
>> Yes, and the Android cellular MMS message server keeps track of the
>> phone number and account details (including the name and other details)
>> of the user.
>
> So does the iOS cellular MMS service, Jolly Roger. Nobody said otherwise.
> It's a necessary evil to obtain cellular phone service with MMS capability.

Correct.

So not being logged in to Google's servers was a straw man, right?

>
>>> 2. iPhone sender tries to send a short video to iPhone & Android recipients
>>> 3. That attempt to send apparently goes over the Internet first to Apple
>>> mainframe servers which send back the decision of which of the
>>> recipients AppleID's are logged into Apple messaging servers
>>> (and which are not).
>>>
>>> (I don't yet know what happens if there is no Internet connection
>>> established by the sender's iPhone to Apple messaging servers though.)
>>
>> Common sense should tell you that iMessage is an internet technology,
>
> Ah, but Android's default messaging is not - although RCS may change that.

But it still requires the login of your SIM card.

>
>> When you aren't signed into iMessage, you naturally can't send
>> messages through the service. So messages are sent as SMS/MMS messages
>> through your cellular provider instead.
>
> Exactly.
> Without logging into Apple's mainframe servers, all the things you love
> about your iPhone instantly cease to exist,. It's just a dumb terminal.

Utterly false.

<rest of your boring, repetitive yapping snipped>

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Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:41:29 GMT :

> Apple announced long ago they would be adding RCS support

It's no longer shocking you misread what he meant, because Apple "claiming"
that they will "support RCS" is no different than Ashley Madison claiming
that they will scrub your identifying data if you paid them to do it.

The proof of that is Apple claimed to allow alternative stores, and while
it's currently in court, apparently only about 38 apps out of almost fifty
thousand are available - where the rest said Apple's terms were such that
it was financially impossible to make money the way Apple structured it.

Bear in mind how brilliant Apple is in the "big lie" (remember they told
you that you had to buy a new battery because all batteries die after one
year when nobody believed that and in the end it cost Apple about a billion
dollars in legal fees and settlement terms for their brazen lies).

The point is nobody thinks Apple is capable of fully implementing RCS.
The existential evidence is abundant.

So for now, it's just words - much like Ashley Madison's words were.
*Inside the rise and fall of Ashley Madison: �People literally*
*lost their lives� due to Ashley Madison's lies*
<https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/article/2024/may/14/ashley-madison-netflix-documentary>

Apple & Ashley Madison use the same game plan.

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-17 18:04, Andrew wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 19:22:44 -0500 :
>
>>> They wanted his ID so that if it turned OUT that the device was stolen,
>>> they could point the police in the right direction.
>>>
>>
>> So, it turned out he was innocent?
>>
>> Hard to believe, since he hates apple with all his soul.
>
> Whoa. I do not hate Apple. I don't like Apple but I don't like Google or
> Microsoft either. But there's no difference to me. I simply tell the truth.
>
> And, Apple told me its their policy that you need two things for them to
> unbrick a device that they themselves bricked because I didn't log into it
> for more than two years (even though the login/password were correct).
>
> 1. Proof of ownership
> 2. Government ID (which they copy)
>
> So much for privacy on Apple devices.

You think that people should be able to get a device unlocked WITHOUT
proof of ownership?

>
> Notice they unbricked the one that I bought at that store.
> But they wouldn't unbrick the one I couldn't prove was mine.

You couldn't prove that you didn't steal it.

>
> Now let's look at this from an adult viewpoint since apparently Alan Baker
> has been claiming I stole the iPad that I brought to Apple to unbrick.

Nope. That is NOT what I claimed, Liar.

>
> Only Alan Baker would say that someone would do that, because if it was
> stolen, there's been plenty of time for Apple to be informed of that.
>
> Since they have my ID, they could call the cops at any time should it be
> reported stolen in the future. The point is Alan Baker is a moron.
>
> What he's doing is making kindergarten excuses for Apple's behavior.
> But I do enjoy your wit as I have Alan Baker & Jughead in my killfile.

Subject: How stupid is Arlen? (was Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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He expected someone to unlock a device he couldn't prove he owned!

On 2024-05-17 18:04, Andrew wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 19:22:44 -0500 :
>
>>> They wanted his ID so that if it turned OUT that the device was stolen,
>>> they could point the police in the right direction.
>>>
>>
>> So, it turned out he was innocent?
>>
>> Hard to believe, since he hates apple with all his soul.
>
> Whoa. I do not hate Apple. I don't like Apple but I don't like Google or
> Microsoft either. But there's no difference to me. I simply tell the truth.
>
> And, Apple told me its their policy that you need two things for them to
> unbrick a device that they themselves bricked because I didn't log into it
> for more than two years (even though the login/password were correct).
>
> 1. Proof of ownership
> 2. Government ID (which they copy)
>
> So much for privacy on Apple devices.
>
> Notice they unbricked the one that I bought at that store.
> But they wouldn't unbrick the one I couldn't prove was mine.
>
> Now let's look at this from an adult viewpoint since apparently Alan Baker
> has been claiming I stole the iPad that I brought to Apple to unbrick.
>
> Only Alan Baker would say that someone would do that, because if it was
> stolen, there's been plenty of time for Apple to be informed of that.
>
> Since they have my ID, they could call the cops at any time should it be
> reported stolen in the future. The point is Alan Baker is a moron.
>
> What he's doing is making kindergarten excuses for Apple's behavior.
> But I do enjoy your wit as I have Alan Baker & Jughead in my killfile.

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On 2024-05-17 23:41:41 +0000, Tyrone said:
> On May 17, 2024 at 7:20:23 PM EDT, "Jolly Roger" <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know where the (resolution) shrinking of the video is done, but
>>> I assume it's done on the iPhone. Doing it on other servers would mean
>>> a huge waste of - possibly very costly - mobile data.
>>
>> No. The video is sent full size by the iPhone and the compression
>> happens on the receiving cellular network.
>
> What seems to be missing in this discussion is that this happens in both
> directions. From Android to iPhone also. Is the "shrinking" then done on the
> Android phone?
>
> No. The compression happens over the cell network.
>
> So why is no one asking "Why are Android videos clear when sent to Android
> phones but blurry when sent to iPhones?"

Because the vidoe compression happens as part of the cellular network
system, independently of the users' devices, so a video sent by SMS
(more precisely MMS) will be blurry no matter what device the receiver
is using - it will be blurry on iPhones, Android phones, WindowsOS
phones, etc. Everyone has simply gotten used to SMS video being blurry.

The problem is noticeable when the video from an iPhone is sent
automatically via Messages to another iPhone *and* compared to it being
automatically sent via SMS to an Android device. Similarly when a video
sent by any device using another messaging app compared to it being
sent by SMS.

Basically MMS is crap, but then it is old tech from 1984 and by
agreement works on any capable cellular device from tiny screen dumb
phones upwards and via the old slow telcoms systems (which is why it
gets heavily compressed in the first place).

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:33:19 GMT :
>
>>> There is a downsampling so that's the conversion we are speaking of.
>>> That downsampling is happening somewhere - where you don't say
>>> where. Where is the downsampling occurring?
>>
>> I already told you it happens on the receiving cellular provider's
>> side, as each provider sets their own file size limits.
>
> And you are most likely wrong, Jolly Roger, which Frank Slootweg
> explained. But you tried so I'll leave it at that.

My god, Arlen, you just wallow in your ignorance and *beg* to be
schooled, so here you go - straight from Android Police, no less:

---
Multimedia Messaging Service, or MMS for short, is the culprit behind
blurry text message photos. Many phones default to using this
media-sharing standard despite the existence of better alternatives. It
was created in the early 2000s, a time when the photo quality of most
phones was only a few megapixels. So perhaps it isn't surprising that
smartphones have outgrown the technology.

MMS has a strict file size limit.

The main problem with MMS is that *most carriers limit the size* of files
that can be sent. For example, Verizon only allows images up to 1.2MB to
be sent over text messages and videos up to 3.5MB. AT&T is even
stricter, only allowing videos up to 1MB. If an image or video is too
large, *it is compressed automatically*.
---

<https://www.androidpolice.com/why-text-message-videos-look-blurry-how-to-fix/>

Again, the reason it is the carrier who compresses MMS videos is because
each carrier has their own defined size limit.

>>> The process, based on what you said, appears to be this, is that correct?
>>>
>>> 1. iPhone sender is logged into the iMessaging Apple mainframe servers
>>
>> Oh, tHe HoRrOr - tHeY aRe LoGgEd InTo MaInFrAmE sErVeRs, yOu SaY??
>
> Apple is like Ashley Madison, claiming privacy while it's always a lie.

You're a fucking idiot. iMessage has full end-to-end encryption. And
like the man-child you are, you're trying to change the topic because
you have noting more to offer in this conversation.

>> No other messagaing app or service requires you to be logged
>> into it, RIGHT
>
> There is no other common consumer platform which requires you to be logged
> into it for the basic functionality of the phone - except for iOS, JR.

No Apple login is required to use the basic functionality of an iPhone,
you complete idiot troll. You can make phone calls, send messages, and
do lots of other things without ever logging into an Apple server. You
like because you have nothing else. And it's fucking sad.

> That you don't understand that fact is indicative of your religious mantra.
>
>>> iPhone recipient is also logged into the iMessaging Apple mainframes
>>
>> Oh, noz!
>
> That you are unaware that Android sends & receives messages through the
> default messenger app without logging into Google servers is clear.

So does iOS, dip shit. As you have been told *countless* times, iMessage
is *optional* and *opt-in*. And you can send messages through your
cellular carrier without iMessage.

> Only Apple requires you log into their mainframe servers for the messaging

Bullshit.

> you religious zealots

Projection. You're the one trolling non-stop day in and day out in the
Apple news groups. You are the biggest zealot to ever step foot in these
news groups. And your trolls are *pathetic*. Just sad.

>>> Android recipient is not logged into Apple or Google mainframes
>>
>> Lots of Android users log into Google servers. And that's irrelevant
>> as to this discussion, you tool.
>
> It's no longer shocking you don't understand that no other operating system
> but iOS requires the user to be logged in 24/7/365 for basic functionality.

Repeating that outright lie doesn't strengthen it, Arlen. It just makes
you look like the clueless dumb ass you are.

> Google does not require that login into Google's mainframe servers.
> Apple does.

Google requires a login to use plenty of their services, Arlen. That's
an indisputable FACT.

> Note: You can say "don't log in" but I've done that. Apple will
> unilaterally brick your iOS device if you stop logging into the servers
> for a period of time (two years in my case on two different iPads).

Nope. What you have admitted to doing is logging in with a bogus email
address and a password you never bothered to remember, then when asked
to verify it after not using your device for months and months, you
couldn't. And since you used a bogus email address, you made it so
recovery of your account was impossible, like the ignoramus you are -
then you turned around and blamed Apple and starting spouting your
bullshit. Pepperidge farm remembers, Arlen.

> There's a reason Apple designed the iOS device to be a dumb terminal, JR.
> It can't do anything that you love about iOS without Apple server logins.
>
>>> All have an active data connection to carrier towers & servers
>>> Apparently on the Apple messaging mainframe server is kept a detailed
>>> tracking of iOS-owners' AppleID associated with their phone number.
>>
>> Yes, and the Android cellular MMS message server keeps track of the
>> phone number and account details (including the name and other details)
>> of the user.
>
> So does the iOS cellular MMS service, Jolly Roger. Nobody said
> otherwise.

Try to keep up, dip shit. You pointed out that Apple's messaging service
keeps track of iMessage users account - and the same applies to Android,
whether it be your cellular provider or an messaging app like WhatsApp
or Signal.

>>> 2. iPhone sender tries to send a short video to iPhone & Android recipients
>>> 3. That attempt to send apparently goes over the Internet first to Apple
>>> mainframe servers which send back the decision of which of the
>>> recipients AppleID's are logged into Apple messaging servers
>>> (and which are not).
>>>
>>> (I don't yet know what happens if there is no Internet connection
>>> established by the sender's iPhone to Apple messaging servers though.)
>>
>> Common sense should tell you that iMessage is an internet technology,
>
> Ah, but Android's default messaging is not - although RCS may change that.

Ah, but iOS's default messaging is not an internet service either,
Arlen. It's cellular as well. As you have been told countless times:
iMessage is *optional* and *opt-in*.

>> When you aren't signed into iMessage, you naturally can't send
>> messages through the service. So messages are sent as SMS/MMS messages
>> through your cellular provider instead.
>
> Exactly.
> Without logging into Apple's mainframe servers, all the things you love
> about your iPhone instantly cease to exist,. It's just a dumb terminal.

Bullshit. You're a fucking tool.

>>> 4. Apple messaging servers accept only the videos whose AppleID's match
>>> Apple's determination of who is logged into their messaging servers.
>>> For those AppleIDs, Apple send the video over the Internet to the
>>> recipients who are logged into the Apple messaging mainframe servers.'
>>>
>>> (I'm not sure what happens if the recipient is on an iPhone and yet
>>> they don't have cellular data Internet or Wi-Fi Internet at the moment.
>>> What if the iPhone recipient only has a carrier non-data connection?
>>
>> No data connection and no internet means no messaging. Duh.
>> Same for Android smartphones.
>
> I didn't say that. I said either or.

Your words: "I'm not sure what happens if the recipient is on an iPhone
and yet they don't have cellular data Internet or Wi-Fi Internet"

No "either or".

>>> How is it sent when the message could be sent either way, right?
>>
>> That "question" makes no sense as written.
>
> Either by WI-Fi Internet or by cellular data Internet.

Still not a question.

>>> How is that message sent to iPhone owners?
>>> a. Cellular-data Internet connection?
>>> b. Wi-Fi Internet connection?
>>> c. (It's probably not sent over the carrier's non-data connection.)
>>
>> You can't send messages without a cellular connection or internet
>> connection.
>
> Again, there's the concept of either or that you need to study.

God, you're boring.

>> How in the holy fuck are you this clueless?
>> You regularly claim you know more about iPhones and technology than anyone
>> else here.
>
> I just don't deal with iOS messaging since the iPads are just toys to me.


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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
when sent to Android?
Date: 18 May 2024 03:17:47 GMT
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:09:08 GMT :
>
>>> Please see this image
>>
>> I don't need to see any image. iMessage is optional and opt-in.
>> That's a fact, Jack.
>
> Actually, if you stop logging into the various Apple mainframe
> tracking servers, after about two years, Apple will unilaterally lock
> you out.

Actually, you purposely caused yourself to be locked out by using a
bogus email address and a password you never intended to remember when
creating your *optional* Apple account, then putting your Apple device
in a drawer or wherever for two years, then since you no longer knew the
email address and password you used, you were unable to verify your
login or recover your password - something only a true idiot would do -
or a troll who plans on using the circumstance to turn around and claim
"ERRMEGHERD, APPLE LOCKED ME OUT". You're an idiot and a weak troll.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 03:27 UTC
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:09:08 GMT :
>
>>> Please see this image
>>
>> I don't need to see any image. iMessage is optional and opt-in. That's a
>> fact, Jack.
>
> Actually, if you stop logging into the various Apple mainframe tracking
> servers, after about two years, Apple will unilaterally lock you out.
>
> Ask me how I know this fact.
>
>>> most US iPhone owners do log into the Apple iMessaging servers
>>
>> Your claim that the iPhone logs into iMesage automatically is FALSE - a
>> LIE.
>
> You log in once, and forever more it keeps you logged in Jolly Roger.

You don't have to log in at all if you don't want to. And no, you are
asked to verify your credentials once in a while - certainly after two
years which is what happened in your case, and since you chose to use a
bogus email address and forgot your password, you left yourself no way
to recover from it, like a dumb ass.

> That you don't know that is no longer shocking about you Apple
> zealots.

It is crystal clear I know way more about this than you. And the real
zealot is the one non-stop trolling in the iOS newsgroup lying and
slinging insults at anyone who sets you straight - that would be you.

>>> Most likely the reason you are unaware that Apple nags you dozens of
>>> times a day, every day, to log into their many tracking servers, is
>>> you log in.
>>
>> Nope, sorry. Thanks for playing. Normal people rarely are asked to
>> log in dozens of times a day. You created that situation by logging
>> in with a fake email address and credentials you admitted you don't
>> remember which made it impossible for you to recover access to your
>> account - a very, very stupid thing to do. Then you turn around every
>> chance you get and try to blame Apple for your utter stupidity.
>
> You're wrong, Jolly Roger.

You admitted it right here, Arlen. We all remember it well because you
pointed out just how dumb you are.

> I have the full login/password of all devices.

Nope. You already admitted you didn't use a real email address, Arlen.
You also forgot your password.

> You just wish that were the case - but I went to Apple and they
> unbricked one of my iPads so that I could log in again - using the
> SAME login/password that I always used, Jolly Roger.

That's not what you said when you originally told us all about this
little "adventure", Arlen. You're lying to save face now.

> The second iPad they wouldn't unbrick because I had to produce the
> receipt, even though I gave them my government ID to prove who I was.

You purposely locked yourself out, got your account locked for trying
too many wrong passwords, and Apple was done with your stupid games the
second time around. That's what really happened.

> Those to situations prove the lies Apple spews blah blah blah

Your only intent with all of your little manufactured "problems" is to
troll, Arlen. That's crystal clear.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 03:28 UTC
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 19:22:44 -0500 :
>
>>> They wanted his ID so that if it turned OUT that the device was stolen,
>>> they could point the police in the right direction.
>>
>> So, it turned out he was innocent?
>>
>> Hard to believe, since he hates apple with all his soul.
>
> Whoa. I do not hate Apple.

🤡

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 17 May 2024 23:41:29 GMT :
>
>> Apple announced long ago they would be adding RCS support
>
> It's no longer shocking you misread what he meant, because Apple
> "claiming" that they will "support RCS" is no different than Ashley
> Madison claiming that they will scrub your identifying data if you
> paid them to do it.

You're going to look really dumb once they announce support for it later
this year as they promised.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Andrew
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android, misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.sys.mac.advocacy
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From: andrew@spam.net (Andrew)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:28:33 GMT :

>> Whoa. I do not hate Apple.
>
> :)

I post on the adult consumer operating system newsgroups the same types of
things on the child-like Apple operating system newsgroups, Jolly Roger.

Just because I post the truth about Microsoft, Canonical & Google, nobody
there says I hate those companies. I don't like them. I don't hate them.

*I just post the truth.*

It's only on the child-like Apple newsgroups that the truth about the
mothership is considered blashphemy, where, paraphrasing Hank's astute
wisdom, you worship Apple to the point that you religious zealots scream

"*Kill the Infidels!*".

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Andrew
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Tyrone wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 23:41:41 +0000 :

>> No. The video is sent full size by the iPhone and the compression
>> happens on the receiving cellular network.
>
> What seems to be missing in this discussion is that this happens in both
> directions. From Android to iPhone also. Is the "shrinking" then done on the
> Android phone?
>
> No. The compression happens over the cell network.
>
> So why is no one asking "Why are Android videos clear when sent to Android
> phones but blurry when sent to iPhones?"

First off, your point is valid that the problem works both ways because the
two platforms default messaging systems are fundamentally incompatible.
*The green bubble of death*
<https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>
"That carefully edited HD clip you took on your new iPhone was reduced
to an unwatchable sludge once it reached your friend's phone.
And the same is true of the videos they send you."

Notice they say that Android to Android isn't as bad as going
from Android to iOS or from iOS to Android - which is new information.

It's not symmetric!
"Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or from
Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."

If it was all due to the carrier, wouldn't it be symmetric?

Learning more, it just get worse, apparently, in group messages:
"The phenomenon can also affect group messages. If one of the recipients
in your group is on an Android phone, then the entire message will
be sent over SMS. Hence, all users will see blurry, barely
watchable videos, even iPhone users with iMessages enabled."

I didn't think about that until now - so it's worse than I had thought.

Again, I will speak to you as an adult since you responded to me as an
adult (although the response above wasn't directly addressed to me).

Along the vein of trying to figure this out logically, my Android phone has
a setting in my default messaging app for how much to compress media.
<https://i.postimg.cc/nL8052Vj/pulsesms04.jpg>

I noticed that it's only for "images" and it says "Do not set this higher
than what your carrier allows" underneath the setting for compression.

But I think that's only because the (last known good but old) version of
PulseSMS I'm using probably doesn't even upload video files to MMS.
<https://i.postimg.cc/ZR4jYqdJ/pulsesms05.jpg>

I will be very clear that I do not know where the compression occurs, and I
will state that is an important fact that we need to iron out (with cites)
in order to understand why videos sent between platforms are blurry.
<https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=where+are+videos+compressed+when+sending+from+ios+to+android>

One hit proves iPhone to iPhone messages skip the carrier altogether.
<https://www.androidpolice.com/why-text-message-videos-look-blurry-how-to-fix/>
"Apple's Message platform has a less restrictive file size limit, around
100MB. Since messages sent between iPhones never leave Apple's servers"

It doesn't say WHERE the compression occurs, but it say that "carriers
enforce the file size limits", which implies the carrier is doing it.

Looking at other hits, I find one that does say the carrier did it!
<https://www.alphr.com/android-sending-grainy-video-in-iphone-group/>
"a video file sent from Android to iOS via MMS (Multimedia Messaging
Service) is usually compressed by your cell phone carrier."

So, surprisingly, Jolly Roger's guess just may have been right after all.

Interestingly, the blurriness isn't symmetric between platforms.
<https://appletoolbox.com/blurry-videos-when-sending-from-ios-to-android-check-these-tips/>
"There's actually a very noticeable downgrade in quality when
sending content from an iOS device to and Android device.
That blurriness isn't as prevalent when sending media from
an Android to an Android. And it's non-existent when sending
from iPhone to iPhone (provided iMessage is enabled)."

Notice that the fact it's not symmetric should tell us something
important (but what?).

If it was only the carrier, wouldn't it be symmetric?

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Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 00:35:44 GMT :

>> So why is no one asking "Why are Android videos clear when sent to
>> Android phones but blurry when sent to iPhones?"
>
> The answer is obvious: For the same reason videos sent from iPhones to
> iPhones are clear - they aren't sent as MMS messages.

It's not as obvious to me since nobody has yet explained why it's not
symmetric. If it was all due to the carrier, why isn't it symmetric?

"Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."

<https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>

When MacWorld says "Apple's system gets in the way", what do they mean?

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Your Name wrote on Sat, 18 May 2024 14:00:12 +1200 :

> Because the vidoe compression happens as part of the cellular network
> system, independently of the users' devices, so a video sent by SMS
> (more precisely MMS) will be blurry no matter what device the receiver
> is using - it will be blurry on iPhones, Android phones, WindowsOS
> phones, etc. Everyone has simply gotten used to SMS video being blurry.
>
> The problem is noticeable when the video from an iPhone is sent
> automatically via Messages to another iPhone *and* compared to it being
> automatically sent via SMS to an Android device. Similarly when a video
> sent by any device using another messaging app compared to it being
> sent by SMS.
>
> Basically MMS is crap, but then it is old tech from 1984 and by
> agreement works on any capable cellular device from tiny screen dumb
> phones upwards and via the old slow telcoms systems (which is why it
> gets heavily compressed in the first place).

But if it was all due to the carrier, then it would be symmetric, right?
Yet it's not.

"Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."
<https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>

When MacWorld says "Apple's system gets in the way" to explain
why Android-to-Android is less blurry than Android-to-iOS
or iOS-to-Android, what is causing that lack of symmetry?

It's not the carrier.
It's Apple (according to MacWorld).

But what is Apple doing to cause that extra blurriness?
I don't know.

Do you?

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Andrew wrote:

> your point is valid that the problem works both ways because the
> two platforms default messaging systems are fundamentally incompatible.

Let's see if it's still a problem after autumn(?) if/when iOS 18 gets
RCS integration ...

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:13:53 GMT :

> Again, the reason it is the carrier who compresses MMS videos is because
> each carrier has their own defined size limit.

If it were only the carrier, why isn't the compression symmetric?
"Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."
<https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>

What is Apple's system doing that further reduces quality?

> No Apple login is required to use the basic functionality of an iPhone

How are you going to install apps without logging into Apple's servers?

>> Google does not require that login into Google's mainframe servers.
>> Apple does.
>
> Google requires a login to use plenty of their services.

You can install apps on Android without logging into Google servers.

> Frank is wrong, and so are you. What's comical is this is well known to
> anyone who knows anything about it. SMS/MMS messaging has been around
> since like 2002, so it's no secret.

I found a cite which says the carrier is doing some of the compression.
<https://www.alphr.com/android-sending-grainy-video-in-iphone-group/>
"a video file sent from Android to iOS via MMS (Multimedia Messaging
Service) is usually compressed by your cell phone carrier."

But if the carrier was doing all the compression, why isn't it symmetric?
<https://appletoolbox.com/blurry-videos-when-sending-from-ios-to-android-check-these-tips/>
"There's actually a very noticeable downgrade in quality when
sending content from an iOS device to and Android device.
That blurriness isn't as prevalent when sending media from
an Android to an Android."

What is Apple's system doing that further reduces quality?

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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Andy Burns wrote on Sat, 18 May 2024 13:22:01 +0100 :

>> your point is valid that the problem works both ways because the
>> two platforms default messaging systems are fundamentally incompatible.
>
> Let's see if it's still a problem after autumn(?) if/when iOS 18 gets
> RCS integration ...

Thanks for that hopeful RCS cheer, where I was wondering how you were doing
since you haven't posted in a while. You're one of the most knowledgeable
on the Android newsgroup - so your advice has been sorely missed by me.

I don't hold high hopes for RCS for two reasons (but maybe I will be wrong
and that will solve the blurry video problems between Apple & Android).

1. Apple tends to implement to the letter of the law (not to the spirit)
2. I'd rather not use any Google app (so I hope others implement RCS)

We're still not out of the woods though with RCS, even if Apple finally
figures out how to implement RCS without losing its walled-garden
restrictions because Android to Android video compression is consistently
said to be a far less blurry result than going between platforms.

Why?
I don't know why.

All I know is that "Apple's system gets in the way" according to MacWorld.
<https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>

Does anyone know what that means in terms of what's happening?

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
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On 2024-05-18 05:15, Andrew wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 00:35:44 GMT :
>
>>> So why is no one asking "Why are Android videos clear when sent to
>>> Android phones but blurry when sent to iPhones?"
>>
>> The answer is obvious: For the same reason videos sent from iPhones to
>> iPhones are clear - they aren't sent as MMS messages.
>
> It's not as obvious to me since nobody has yet explained why it's not
> symmetric. If it was all due to the carrier, why isn't it symmetric?
>
> "Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
> but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
> from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."
>
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>
>
> When MacWorld says "Apple's system gets in the way", what do they mean?

They mean that when sending video messages to a GROUP, iOS devices use
SMS/MMS for everyone IN THE GROUP, you simpleton.

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On 2024-05-18 05:19, Andrew wrote:
> Your Name wrote on Sat, 18 May 2024 14:00:12 +1200 :
>
>> Because the vidoe compression happens as part of the cellular network
>> system, independently of the users' devices, so a video sent by SMS
>> (more precisely MMS) will be blurry no matter what device the receiver
>> is using - it will be blurry on iPhones, Android phones, WindowsOS
>> phones, etc. Everyone has simply gotten used to SMS video being blurry.
>>
>> The problem is noticeable when the video from an iPhone is sent
>> automatically via Messages to another iPhone *and* compared to it being
>> automatically sent via SMS to an Android device. Similarly when a video
>> sent by any device using another messaging app compared to it being
>> sent by SMS.
>>
>> Basically MMS is crap, but then it is old tech from 1984 and by
>> agreement works on any capable cellular device from tiny screen dumb
>> phones upwards and via the old slow telcoms systems (which is why it
>> gets heavily compressed in the first place).
>
> But if it was all due to the carrier, then it would be symmetric, right?
> Yet it's not.
>
> "Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
> but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
> from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>
>
> When MacWorld says "Apple's system gets in the way" to explain
> why Android-to-Android is less blurry than Android-to-iOS
> or iOS-to-Android, what is causing that lack of symmetry?
>
> It's not the carrier.
> It's Apple (according to MacWorld).

You're just a liar, Arlen.

That is NOT what the MacWorld article says.

>
> But what is Apple doing to cause that extra blurriness?
> I don't know.
>
> Do you?

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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:28:33 GMT :
>
>>> Whoa. I do not hate Apple.
>>
>> :)
>
> child-like Apple operating system
> child-like Apple newsgroups
> blashphemy
> worship Apple
> religious zealots
> Kill the Infidels!

You're a hateful little dork, Arlen.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
Date: Sat, 18 May 2024 16:54 UTC
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:13:53 GMT :
>
>> Again, the reason it is the carrier who compresses MMS videos is because
>> each carrier has their own defined size limit.
>
> If it were only the carrier, why isn't the compression symmetric?

It's very simple: The level of compression of MMS messages is decided by
each carrier. So when someone on AT&T send an MMS to someone on Verizon
(or the other way around), the received video will be compressed at a
different level.

> "Texting from Android to Android will see minor compression,
> but it's compounded when going from iPhone to Android or
> from Android to iPhone, since Apple's system gets in the way."
> <https://www.macworld.com/article/232714/how-to-text-iphone-videos-that-are-not-blurry-on-android-and-vice-versa.html>

You apparently missed the two paragraphs just before that:

"The phenomenon can also affect group messages. As they say, once bad
apple can spoil the bunch, so if one of the recipients in your group is
on an Android phone, then the entire message will be sent over SMS.
Hence, all users will see blurry, barely watchable videos, even iPhone
users with iMessages enabled.

What gives? While it might seem like it’s the result of sabotage between
platforms, that’s not the case. It has to do with compression. Apple
handles the iPhone-to-iPhone delivery of texted videos, so no matter the
size, videos are sent and received in their original quality. However,
that’s not the case when not using Apple’s system from start to
finish—your carrier gets in the way, and that’s when things break down."

What the next paragraph you quoted is saying is when group messaging
with Android users, images and videos sent to them are sent as MMS
messages and therefore get compressed based on their carrier's MMS file
size limitations.

Learn to read for comprehension.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:13:53 GMT :
>
>> No Apple login is required to use the basic functionality of an iPhone
>
> How are you going to install apps without logging into Apple's servers?

Most Android users also log into an App Store in order to install apps,
Arlen.

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Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Alan
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On 2024-05-18 09:47, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:28:33 GMT :
>>
>>>> Whoa. I do not hate Apple.
>>>
>>> :)
>>
>> child-like Apple operating system
>> child-like Apple newsgroups
>> blashphemy
>> worship Apple
>> religious zealots
>> Kill the Infidels!
>
> You're a hateful little dork, Arlen.
>

Hateful is precisely the right word.

Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry when sent to Android?
From: Jolly Roger
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android
Organization: People for the Ethical Treatment of Pirates
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From: jollyroger@pobox.com (Jolly Roger)
Newsgroups: misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: Why are iPhone videos clear when sent to iPhones but blurry
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On 2024-05-18, Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote on 18 May 2024 03:13:53 GMT :
>
>>> Google does not require that login into Google's mainframe servers.
>>> Apple does.
>>
>> Google requires a login to use plenty of their services.
>
> You can install apps on Android without logging into Google servers.

Most Android users log into an App Store to install apps, Arlen. Also,
while your little "gotcha" may seem cute, you're ignoring the fact that
most Android users log into Google for their photos and so on.

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