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Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Chris
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2025 13:42 UTC
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From: ithinkiam@gmail.com (Chris)
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Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
> Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55:
>
>> On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:
> [...
>>> Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
>>> services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
>>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
>>> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
>>> WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
>>> either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
>>> to join the messenger service you use yourself.
>>
>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
>
> Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered.

It never was. It was developed as a neat trick to use up spare capacity in
the network protocols.

If there's high demand an SMS may not get delivered or take a long time to
be received.

> At least in
> Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
> another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
> earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
> interoperability any longer.

Providers haven't made money from SMS for a long time. It's been bundled as
"unlimited" in pretty much all types of contracts.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Carlos E.R.
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Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2025 14:05 UTC
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From: robin_listas@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 2025-01-07 14:42, Chris wrote:

....

>> At least in
>> Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
>> another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
>> earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
>> interoperability any longer.
> Providers haven't made money from SMS for a long time. It's been bundled as
> "unlimited" in pretty much all types of contracts.

Sending an international SMS still costs me 60 cents.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Jörg Lorenz
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Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 09:28 UTC
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From: hugybear@gmx.net (Jörg Lorenz)
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Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 07.01.25 14:38, Joe Beanfish wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
>>
>>> On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> know - I don't use RCS.
>>>>
>>>> Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
>>>
>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
>>
>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>
> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?

Code named "Wet Dream"?
*SCNR* ;-)

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"De gustibus non est disputandum."

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Carlos E.R.
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 12:32 UTC
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From: robin_listas@es.invalid (Carlos E.R.)
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Subject: Re: More about RCS.
Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2025 13:32:48 +0100
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On 2025-01-07 14:38, Joe Beanfish wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
>>
>>> On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> know - I don't use RCS.
>>>>
>>>> Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
>>>
>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
>>
>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>
> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?

It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
information as there is with email.

You can read here:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>

Basically, it depends on whether your provider supports it directly, or
not. If not, then it is via Google servers. Look at the "Interconnection
and hubs" section in the above link.

There is also a large table of providers ("Commercial deployments").

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Joe Beanfish
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On Wed, 08 Jan 2025 13:32:48 +0100, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> On 2025-01-07 14:38, Joe Beanfish wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
>>>
>>>> On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>>> I don't
>>>>>> know - I don't use RCS.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
>>>>
>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
>>>
>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>
>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>
> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
> information as there is with email.
>
> You can read here:
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services>
>
> Basically, it depends on whether your provider supports it directly, or
> not. If not, then it is via Google servers. Look at the "Interconnection
> and hubs" section in the above link.
>
> There is also a large table of providers ("Commercial deployments").

Under Adoption it largely answers the question with
"In 2023, T-Mobile and AT&T agreed to use Google Jibe to implement RCS
services, and in 2024 Verizon agreed to use Google Jibe."
So, by and large, google servers.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Andy Burns
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
>>>> immediately. ;-)
>>>
>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>
>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>
> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
> information as there is with email.

A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
Jibe/Google servers.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Jörg Lorenz
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
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From: hugybear@gmx.net (Jörg Lorenz)
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On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
>>>>> immediately. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>>
>>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>>
>> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
>> information as there is with email.
>
> A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
> Jibe/Google servers.

Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially
Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.

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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2025-01-08 17:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
>>>>>> immediately. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>>>
>>>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>>>
>>> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
>>> information as there is with email.
>>
>> A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
>> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
>> Jibe/Google servers.
>
> Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially
> Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.

They can run their own servers. And who cares who runs the servers,
anyway, when messages are encrypted end to end.

Oh, wait... :-D

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Carlos E.R.
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On 2025-01-08 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
>>>>> immediately. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>>
>>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>>
>> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
>> information as there is with email.
>
> A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the Jibe/
> Google servers.
>

My ISP has their own servers, "Branded as joyn", launched on 2012. For
android, the box for iPhone is empty.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 08.01.25 21:06, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-08 17:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Joe Beanfish wrote:
>>>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream
>>>>>>> immediately. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>>>>>
>>>>> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?
>>>>
>>>> It is quite difficult to know in each case, there is no trace
>>>> information as there is with email.
>>>
>>> A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
>>> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
>>> Jibe/Google servers.
>>
>> Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially
>> Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.
>
> They can run their own servers. And who cares who runs the servers,
> anyway, when messages are encrypted end to end.

You do not understand the inferior technolgy used for RCS.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Arno Welzel
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Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-07 14:38:

> On Sun, 05 Jan 2025 13:01:29 +0100, Arno Welzel wrote:
>
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-04 13:51:
>>
>>> On 04.01.25 13:03, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> know - I don't use RCS.
>>>>
>>>> Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)
>>>
>>> Good to know that we should deactivate Google's wet dream immediately. ;-)
>>
>> RCS is a standard protocol and not "Google's wet dream".
>
> Whose servers do RCS messages pass thru?

The servers of the providers. It is *not* a service provided by Google.
Google only added encryption for Android devices, so if the messaging
app on a device *knows* another recipient and the recipient also has
Android, messages can get encrypted, before they get sent.

Also see:

<https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/technologies/networks/rcs-frequently-asked-questions/>

Quote:

What infrastructure will operators need to deploy to take advantage of RCS?

RCS services are based on the IP-Multimedia Subsystem (IMS), as
specified by the 3GPP and adopted by major industry standardisation
bodies for mobile and fixed networks. Operators may implement their own
IMS solution or can access the services of a hosted solution to provide
a pre-IMS or partial-IMS implementation. The hosted solution may be a
temporary or permanent solution for the operator.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-08 17:07:

> On 08.01.25 16:40, Andy Burns wrote:
[...]
>> A couple of years ago my mobile provider ran their own RCS server, since
>> then, they've (presumably like most others) migrated to using the
>> Jibe/Google servers.
>
> Which is totally unacceptable for many users and also explains partially
> Apple's unwillingness to fully adopt RCS.

But asking people to use iMessage and Apple services is totally fine?

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-10 10:23:

[...]
> You do not understand the inferior technolgy used for RCS.

If Apple had invented it, you would call it superior ;-)

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:

> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Google offered to help
>> Apple, but they refused.
>
> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>
> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
> information irrespective what Google says.
>
> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.

FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 2025-01-10 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>
>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Google offered to help
>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>
>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>
>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>
> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.

Ah, yes, true. FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level.
Thank you for noticing. Same for WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal...

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>
>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Google offered to help
>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>
>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>
>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>
>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>
> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.

Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.

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"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 2025-01-10 22:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>
>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Google offered to help
>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>
>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>
>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>
>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>
> Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.

Insulting, you too?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
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On 10.01.25 22:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-10 22:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>>
>>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> Google offered to help
>>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>>
>>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>>
>>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>>
>>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>>
>>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>>
>> Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
>
> Insulting, you too?

At one point you will perhaps understand that not the OS is critical it
is the encryption-algo.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Arno Welzel
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:53 UTC
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Carlos E.R., 2025-01-10 20:32:

> On 2025-01-10 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>
>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Google offered to help
>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>
>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>
>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>
>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>
> Ah, yes, true. FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level.
> Thank you for noticing. Same for WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal...

Signal is Open Source.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Arno Welzel
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:56 UTC
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Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-10 22:19:

> On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>
>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Google offered to help
>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>
>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>
>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>
>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>
>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>
> Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.

Maybe you confuse "Google services" with "Android".

Also see <https://source.android.com> and keep in mind that there are
Android distributions like LineageOS and e/OS/ which even come without
any Google services. There are also implementations like microG
(<https://github.com/microg>) which provide a free re-implementation of
user space apps and libraries to allow the use of Google services
without proprietary code.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Arno Welzel
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 11:58 UTC
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Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-11 07:40:

> On 10.01.25 22:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-01-10 22:19, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 10.01.25 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>>>
>>>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>>> Google offered to help
>>>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>>>
>>>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>>>
>>>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>>>
>>>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>>>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>>>
>>> Android is proprietary from A to Z, stupid.
>>
>> Insulting, you too?
>
> At one point you will perhaps understand that not the OS is critical it
> is the encryption-algo.

And iMessage is open source, so the implementation of the encryption can
be audited? If so - where is the code available?

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Carlos E.R.
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2025 14:32 UTC
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On 2025-01-11 12:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Carlos E.R., 2025-01-10 20:32:
>
>> On 2025-01-10 18:28, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2025-01-05 22:25:
>>>
>>>> On 05.01.25 21:48, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> Google offered to help
>>>>> Apple, but they refused.
>>>>
>>>> *ROTFLSTC*! Apple urgently needs help from Google!
>>>> Are you sure you understand the mechanics?
>>>>
>>>> At the network interfaces/borders the NSA has real time access to all
>>>> information irrespective what Google says.
>>>>
>>>> Proprietary standards are lacking trust at any level.
>>>
>>> FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level - because they are
>>> proprietary. The same applies to iOS in general - it is proprietary.
>>
>> Ah, yes, true. FaceTime and iMessage are lacking trust at any level.
>> Thank you for noticing. Same for WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal...
>
> Signal is Open Source.

Ok, but not fully.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Licensing

Signal's servers are partially open source, but the server software's
anti-spam component is proprietary and closed source due to security
concerns.[13][191]

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Subject: Re: More about RCS.
From: Arno Welzel
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Carlos E.R., 2025-01-11 15:32:

> On 2025-01-11 12:53, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> Signal is Open Source.
>
> Ok, but not fully.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_(software)#Licensing
>
> Signal's servers are partially open source, but the server software's
> anti-spam component is proprietary and closed source due to security
> concerns.[13][191]

Yes - but that's no problem, since the important thing is the encryption
in the *client* which is not done on the server.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

BOFH excuse #350: paradigm shift...without a clutch

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Subject	Author
More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Andy Burns
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Chris
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Joe Beanfish
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Dave Royal
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Joe Beanfish
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Joe Beanfish
Re: More about RCS.	Andy Burns
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	micky
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	s\|b
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Frank Slootweg
Re: More about RCS.	s\|b
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Carlos E.R.
Re: More about RCS.	Jörg Lorenz
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel
Re: More about RCS.	Arno Welzel