Quite a few updates to the document recently.

iOS Features
------------
54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones ✓
55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM ✓
56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓

Android Features
----------------
226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
when determining location. ✓
227a. Change the “Wake” Word for Google Assistant ✓
228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device ✓
229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device ✓
230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops ✓
231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot ✓
232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs ✓

✓ 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
✓ 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
Had ✓

<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
Citations ✓

W Wed, 15 May 2024 17:10:24 -0700, sms napisal:

> Quite a few updates to the document recently.
>
> iOS Features
> ------------
> 54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones
> 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
>
> Android Features
> ----------------
> 226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
> when determining location.
> 227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google Assistant
> 228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device
> 229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device
> 230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops
> 231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot
> 232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
>
> 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
> 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
> Had
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
> 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
> Citations

That's a well researched list of differences between the platforms.

The ability to list the apps to a file is useful because most of the APK
organizers ask you if you want to create a URL out of that list, so you can
send it to other people (or use it yourself) by just clicking on the Google
Play Store links to each app on your system.

It's very convenient & efficient for archiving your apps and for migration.

Migrating the apps is a big feature of Android, as the original APK is
stored on the device for every app installed, even default system apps.

This is useful when the app is no longer on the Google Play Store (which
happens) or if the version you like is no longer on the Google Play Store
(which happens even more often). You'll never lose your app APK this way.

Unfortunately, iOS can't do any of that, and it's all automated on Android.

So you always have the original APK and it always works on another phone.
The only problem is the APK for every app is named "base.apk" but the app
extractors take care of the renaming base.apk to the original app names.

The app extractors copy & rename that APK which you can then use on any
Android phone. With iOS, the IPA isn't saved on the device so you have to
manually save it using iTunes and even then it won't work on any phone.

You can also migrate the exact placement of each folder and app icons
(shortcuts) with Android, such as how Nova will save your entire homescreen
to a file which can be read into any other phone for the exact placement.

If the app isn't yet installed, there are no worries. the launcher takes
care of that by graying out the icon which when you tap on it, it goes and
gets the correct app off the Google Play Store (or whatever store you want
to get it from).

On the new phone, you don't do anything but load the homescreen saved file
& tap on the grayed out icons, and soon, you've duplicated the phone setup.

In addition, for organizing, if you want, Android can have any app shortcut
in multiple locations on your homescreen, which can't be done on iOS. You
can also hide the app shortuct if you want, and you can rename any app
shortcut, which also can't be done on iOS (for example, you can rename
system apps that have similar names such as phone to samsungphone or
whatever you want). None of that organization is possible with iOS.

You can also lock the screen location of all folders and app icons.
I don't know if iOS can do that though.

Some people don't like docks, where with Android launchers, you can remove
the dock, but with iOS, you have to have a dock even if nothing is in it.

I didn't check if all of that is in your document. Is it?
If you need to ask questions, let me know as I've done everything above.

On 2024-05-16 02:03:40 +0000, Jan K. said:

> W Wed, 15 May 2024 17:10:24 -0700, sms napisal:
>
>> Quite a few updates to the document recently.
>>
>> iOS Features
>> ------------
>> 54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
>> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
>> Android Features
>> ----------------
>> 226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
>> when determining location. 227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google
>> Assistant 228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device 229a. Ability to
>> Generate a List of All Apps on Device 230a. Data Measurement, Data
>> Warnings, and Data Stops 231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans
>> with No Hotspot 232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
>> 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
>> 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they Had
>> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
>> 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of Citations
>
> That's a well researched list of differences between the platforms.
>
> The ability to list the apps to a file is useful because most of the APK
> organizers ask you if you want to create a URL out of that list, so you can
> send it to other people (or use it yourself) by just clicking on the Google
> Play Store links to each app on your system.
> It's very convenient & efficient for archiving your apps and for migration.
>
> Migrating the apps is a big feature of Android, as the original APK is
> stored on the device for every app installed, even default system apps.
>
> This is useful when the app is no longer on the Google Play Store (which
> happens) or if the version you like is no longer on the Google Play Store
> (which happens even more often). You'll never lose your app APK this way.
>
> Unfortunately, iOS can't do any of that, and it's all automated on Android.
>
> So you always have the original APK and it always works on another phone.
> The only problem is the APK for every app is named "base.apk" but the app
> extractors take care of the renaming base.apk to the original app names.
>
> The app extractors copy & rename that APK which you can then use on any
> Android phone. With iOS, the IPA isn't saved on the device so you have to
> manually save it using iTunes and even then it won't work on any phone.
>
> You can also migrate the exact placement of each folder and app icons
> (shortcuts) with Android, such as how Nova will save your entire homescreen
> to a file which can be read into any other phone for the exact placement.
>
> If the app isn't yet installed, there are no worries. the launcher takes
> care of that by graying out the icon which when you tap on it, it goes and
> gets the correct app off the Google Play Store (or whatever store you want
> to get it from).
> On the new phone, you don't do anything but load the homescreen saved file
> & tap on the grayed out icons, and soon, you've duplicated the phone setup.
>
> In addition, for organizing, if you want, Android can have any app shortcut
> in multiple locations on your homescreen, which can't be done on iOS. You
> can also hide the app shortuct if you want, and you can rename any app
> shortcut, which also can't be done on iOS (for example, you can rename
> system apps that have similar names such as phone to samsungphone or
> whatever you want). None of that organization is possible with iOS.
>
> You can also lock the screen location of all folders and app icons.
> I don't know if iOS can do that though.
>
> Some people don't like docks, where with Android launchers, you can remove
> the dock, but with iOS, you have to have a dock even if nothing is in it.
>
> I didn't check if all of that is in your document. Is it?
> If you need to ask questions, let me know as I've done everything above.

[iPhone newsgroup creosspost removed]

If you want to use an iPhone, use an iPhone.
If you want to use an Android phone, use an Android phone.

If a personal choice.

Idiot trolls continually whining on about what the iPhone *supposedly*
can't do are not wanted in the iPhone newsgroup. Take your pointless
crap elsewhere.

Another moronic troll joins the killfile. :-\

On 16.05.24 04:03, Jan K. wrote:
> W Wed, 15 May 2024 17:10:24 -0700, sms napisal:
>
>> Quite a few updates to the document recently.
>>
>> iOS Features
>> ------------
>> 54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones
>> 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM
>> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models.
>>
>> Android Features
>> ----------------
>> 226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
>> when determining location.
>> 227a. Change the "Wake" Word for Google Assistant
>> 228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device
>> 229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device
>> 230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops
>> 231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot
>> 232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs
>>
>> 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
>> 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
>> Had
>>
>> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
>> 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
>> Citations
>
> That's a well researched list of differences between the platforms.

That's skewed bullshit by a sociopath.
Kindergarten crap like almost everything in the two groups addressed.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

sms wrote:

>
><https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
>✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
>Citations ✓

I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123 pages
of refutations for your document...

badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 10:28:32 -0000 (UTC) :

> I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123 pages
> of refutations for your document...

I've read Steve's document in the past and the reason all the uneducated
ignorant Apple religious zealots hated it was it was almost all true.

The only thing is Steve doesn't know Android all that well, but he uses
both daily (as do I) so he reasonably well versed in what iOS should be
able to do (because all operating systems other than iOS easily do them).

It's no longer shocking that thousands upon thousands of very simple things
that every other OS easily does - are completely impossible on iOS - all of
which nospam would have said in his ignorant way, as you very well know...

"Nobody (using Apple products) needs functionality"
"Nobody (using Apple products) wants functionality"
--
nospam's contract to defend Apple to the death apparently wasn't renewed.

Andrew wrote:

>badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 10:28:32 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>> I wonder if nospam has gone missing because he's busy writing 123
>>pages of refutations for your document...
>
>I've read Steve's document in the past and the reason all the
>uneducated ignorant Apple religious zealots hated it was it was
>almost all true.
>
>The only thing is Steve doesn't know Android all that well, but he
>uses both daily (as do I) so he reasonably well versed in what iOS
>should be able to do (because all operating systems other than iOS
>easily do them).
>
>It's no longer shocking that thousands upon thousands of very simple
>things that every other OS easily does - are completely impossible on
>iOS - all of which nospam would have said in his ignorant way, as you
>very well know...
>
> "Nobody (using Apple products) needs functionality"
> "Nobody (using Apple products) wants functionality"

To be fair, nospam would say "it's not needed" or "no one wants it".

>nospam's contract to defend Apple to the death apparently wasn't
renewed.

Considering nospam's Shift keys were broken and he worked overtime to
defend Apple, maybe he was asking for more than Apple felt was worth
defending their name.

--
"My sources are unreliable, but their information is fascinating." ~
Ashleigh Brilliant

On 16/05/2024 01:10, sms wrote:
> Quite a few updates to the document recently.
>
> iOS Features
> ------------
> 54i eSIM Transfer Between iPhones ✓
> 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM ✓
> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓
>
>
> Android Features
> ----------------
> 226a. Ability to disable the use of cell towers, Bluetooth, and Wi-Fi
> when determining location. ✓
> 227a. Change the “Wake” Word for Google Assistant ✓
> 228a. Migrating Apps to a New Device ✓
> 229a. Ability to Generate a List of All Apps on Device ✓
> 230a. Data Measurement, Data Warnings, and Data Stops ✓
> 231a. PDANet Support for Hotspot on Plans with No Hotspot ✓
> 232a. MMS (Photos & Group Text) Support on AT&T MVNOs ✓
>
>
> ✓ 56 iOS & iPhone Features Which [many] Android Users Wish they Had &
> ✓ 232 Android & Android Phone Features Which [many] iOS Users Wish they
> Had  ✓
>
> <https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features>
> ✓ 123 Pages of Extensively Referenced Information with Hundreds of
> Citations ✓

I'm gonna point out some issues with your document:

> 4i. Battery replacement ✓

Apple devices **do not** have user-replaceable batteries. In fact, the
iPhone was the first phone to ditch the feature. Most Android phones
don't either, so I guess it's fair, in a twisted and stupid way. Even
better, iPhones have led the way for making less repairable phones, so
stop talking nonsense.

> 9i. No bloatware ✓

I beg to differ. What is Apple Podcasts doing? Apple Wallet? Apple
Music? Stocks? Apple TV? Tips? Watch? I could go on and on:
https://www.makeuseof.com/every-pre-installed-app-iphone/

> 10i. Privacy ✓

This is incorrect. The Apple TOS specifically states that location data
can be collected and shared by Apple:

> To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers, may collect, use, and share precise location data, including the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.

> 11i. Support and help from Apple Stores ✓

As if Android doesn't have that. Most smartphone brands do the same
thing (Samsung, Google, etc.). Also, have you *ever* been to the
"Genius" Bar? They're useless. The most they can do is tell you to
reboot your iPhone or reset your stupid iCloud.

> 17i. eSIM¹ ✓
eSIM is NOT a feature. It introduces the ability for the carrier to not
allow you to switch, meaning you're locked into their services. This is
because the carrier is responsible for switching you away, and guess
what, carriers *hate* losing customers to their competitors.

> 20i. Face Recognition ✓

Biometric security is inherently flawed. If it gets stolen, you cannot
change it, unlike a password. A dead corpse can still be read with Face
ID or fingerprint ID.

> 22i. Apple Credit Card with 3% discount and 0% financing on purchases direct from Apple ✓

Why not encourage credit card debt, which is at an all-time high (here's
a clue, it's in the _trillions_)?

> 23i. Native hearing aid support ✓

I wear hearing aids, and I don't _need_ this feature, because it does
*nothing* Bluetooth Audio cannot.

> 30i Speakerphone on by default ✓

So you can annoy people on the bus/train/street?

> 35i. Automatic sorting of AAC audio files based on type of usage ✓

AAC sucks. I say that as someone with a lot of knowledge on digital
audio (for the record, I can spectrally analyse an audio file to
determine if it was encoded correctly).

> 37i. MagSafe ✓

Magnetic wireless charging isn't a big deal. Wireless charging isn't a
big deal. It's inefficient, wasteful, and damages the battery by
producing more heat.

> 38i. Dynamic Island ✓
Gimmick.

> 39i. Crash Detection ✓

False positives lead to useless 999/911/112 calls that cost taxpayer
money and hold up the phone line for someone having a *real* emergency.

> 40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch ✓

Physical volume buttons exist.

> 41i. Old iPhone models remain in production for several years ✓

So do Androids. Moot point.

> 42i. Battery health indication and battery optimization ✓

Didn't iPhones not display percentages until last year? Also smartphones
have optimised and displayed battery health since their inception. It's
not an iPhone exclusive. My Samsung Galaxy S8 from 2017 can do it.

> 43i. Ability to check the production date ✓

That's just so that Apple can fuck you over by breaking your device two
days after the warranty period ends.

> 44i. Region restricted app stores ✓

Because that's a benefit and not DRM.

> 45i. AirTags ✓

Tile existed for a decade before AirTags did.

> 46i. Bluetooth Audio Sharing ✓

Many Android phones also allow multiple audio sources. A lot of devices
aimed towards hard-of-hearing users allow for Bluetooth and also wired
connectivity simultaneously.

> 47i. Shutdown Protection ✓

This needs jailbreaking. In other words, a rooted Android phone can do
it too. You even admitted that you're referring to a feature that _does
not exist_ on vanilla iOS.

> 48i. Realistic Replica Devices ✓

Yes, because I want a knock-off phone. If a design is easy to copy, it's
a bad design. End of.

> 49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life ✓

If someone likes you more because of a green bubble, they're not the
kind of person to be around.

> 50i. iPhone acts as an AirTag when turned off ✓

Modern Androids also do this.

> 51i. Seamless Updates ✓
Literally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
with a reboot in less than 5 minutes. Again, NOBODY CARES.

> 52i. Less Fragmentation ✓

Fragmentation --> Competition

> 53i. Place and receive phone calls on Mac or iPad ✓

Why would you want to take calls on a laptop? Also, the Windows Phone
Link, and also KDE Connect can do that, I am quite sure.

> 55i Convert physical SIM to eSIM ✓

Convert a SIM with freedom to a SIM with DRM, why not.

> 56i Satellite SOS on iPhone 14 and 15 models. ✓

Android has had this for _years_. You could press power a certain number
of times, and a preconfigured list of ICE contacts would get a text with
your location, and (optionally) a five-second voice clip.

To conclude, your list sucks.

badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 15:32:59 -0000 (UTC) :

>> "Nobody (using Apple products) needs functionality"
>> "Nobody (using Apple products) wants functionality"
>
> To be fair, nospam would say "it's not needed" or "no one wants it".

Yes. I knew you knew that. But when nospam said something was "not needed
and not wanted", it's always something that all the other platforms have.

Except Apple.

>> nospam's contract to defend Apple to the death apparently wasn't
>> renewed.
>
> Considering nospam's Shift keys were broken and he worked overtime to
> defend Apple

You may be right as nospam was also using an old iPhone, as I recall.

He did repeatedly claim to be an app developer but I doubted that since he
didn't know the simplest things that even I knew, and I never claimed to be
a developer (because I'm not). I just dabbled in writing Android code.

> maybe he was asking for more than Apple felt was worth
> defending their name.

While nospam's denial of facts about Apple were numerous, the one value he
brought to the group was he did understand the radio technology rather
well.

I miss that information from him, as he knew some of it even better than I
did (as did Steve, who is also an EE), which is a welcome occurrence on
this Apple newsgroup to be able to learn something from the people posting.

Steve's document is hated by zealots because it's actually mostly correct.

Gordinator wrote:

>
>>9i. No bloatware ✓
>
>I beg to differ. What is Apple Podcasts doing? Apple Wallet? Apple
>Music? Stocks? Apple TV? Tips? Watch? I could go on and on:
>https://www.makeuseof.com/every-pre-installed-app-iphone/

Apple Wallet is very useful. I use it all the time. Stocks is
semi-useful if you don't care about lots. Watch is absolutely needed
if you have an Apple Watch. The rest I don't use.

>>20i. Face Recognition ✓
>
>Biometric security is inherently flawed. If it gets stolen, you
>cannot change it, unlike a password. A dead corpse can still be read
>with Face ID or fingerprint ID.
>

I'm not so sure about that. But you can turn it off and just use 6-8
code instead.

>>23i. Native hearing aid support ✓
>
>I wear hearing aids, and I don't need this feature, because it does
>nothing Bluetooth Audio cannot.

I wear hearing aids too -- Signia. The native Apple hearing aid
support is superior to the Signia app in every way. There are far more
options and integration with other apps such as Phone and it includes
Live Listen which allows another person to talk into your phone if
there's too much background noise.

>
>>40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch ✓
>
>Physical volume buttons exist.

The Silent rocker switch is better. You can set it or feel its
position while in your pocket.

>
>>53i. Place and receive phone calls on Mac or iPad ✓
>
>Why would you want to take calls on a laptop? Also, the Windows Phone
>Link, and also KDE Connect can do that, I am quite sure.

When you're sitting in bed or on the couch with your iPad and the phone
rings, you don't have to go find your phone to answer it. It will ring
and you can answer it right in bed. My mother and wife who can never
find their phones or have them in their purses use this feature all the
time.

Gordinator wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 20:22:13 +0100 :

>> 4i. Battery replacement
>
> Apple devices **do not** have user-replaceable batteries. In fact, the
> iPhone was the first phone to ditch the feature. Most Android phones
> don't either, so I guess it's fair, in a twisted and stupid way. Even
> better, iPhones have led the way for making less repairable phones, so
> stop talking nonsense.

This was posted in this newsgroup a while ago (cut and pasted) which
showed Android still has superior functionality hardware over the iPhone
but the replaceable battery is still in very few Androids unfortunately).

Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019 to today...
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet this standard.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio emergency feature.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the standard AUX jack.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>

Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important portable-memory slot.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>

But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5% unfortunately.
<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>

Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor Apple user.
AUX <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
FM <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
SD <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>

In summary, the choices for Android are:
a. 75% AUX
b. 50% FM Radio
c. 71% SD SLOT

That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
a. 0% AUX
b. 0% FM Radio
c. 0% SD SLOT

The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet another reason
why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks basic hardware.

>> 9i. No bloatware
>
> I beg to differ. What is Apple Podcasts doing? Apple Wallet? Apple
> Music? Stocks? Apple TV? Tips? Watch? I could go on and on:
> https://www.makeuseof.com/every-pre-installed-app-iphone/

As you said, Apple adds bloatware, it's just Apple bloatware,
and not carrier bloatware.

What's worse about Apple bloatware is most of it is unremovable.
By stark contrast EVERY APP is removable on Android (non root).

Many people don't realize what I just said is true on Android.
Every app can be removed from the user partition without being root.
<https://www.xda-developers.com/uninstall-carrier-oem-bloatware-without-root-access/>

So it's actually Android that, if you're smart, has zero bloatware.
Meanwhile even if you're smart, you can't remove most Apple bloatware.

>> 10i. Privacy
>
> This is incorrect. The Apple TOS specifically states that location data
> can be collected and shared by Apple:

Apple doesn't have privacy. As with Ashley Madison, they advertise
they have privacy. But it doesn't exist for a number of reasons.

Remember when they were listening to your actual conversations
in Ireland? They still do that. There is no privacy on iPhones.

In addition, Apple won't allow the privacy of the Tor Browser.
<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
"Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device? Apple requires all
browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
which prevents any iOS browser from having the same privacy
protections as Tor Browser."

Another of which is Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into
every app - which no other operating system but Apple does.

In addition, Apple requires you to log into the Apple mainframes
for most of the functionality (e.g., the App Store) which Google
doesn't require (you can download apps off the Google Play Store
without creating an account on the phone for example).

There are very many ways Apple devices don't have privacy.
And there are many ways that Android does.

For the author to re-spout Apple's marketing bullshit is wrong.
Privacy isn't possible on an iPhone.

>
>> To provide location-based services on Apple products, Apple
>> and our partners and licensees, such as maps data providers,
>> may collect, use, and share precise location data, including
>> the real-time geographic location of your Apple computer or device.
>
>> 11i. Support and help from Apple Stores
>
> As if Android doesn't have that. Most smartphone brands do the same
> thing (Samsung, Google, etc.). Also, have you *ever* been to the
> "Genius" Bar? They're useless. The most they can do is tell you to
> reboot your iPhone or reset your stupid iCloud.

I can vouch for the fact that the Genius Bar people are useless.

I went to them asking them to test why the iPad had far worse
radio reception than Android and they didn't even know what a
decibel was.

All they did was use an UV light on the water detection strip
(no water) and ensure that it had the latest operating system.

That's all they can do.
>> 17i. eSIM�
> eSIM is NOT a feature. It introduces the ability for the carrier to not
> allow you to switch, meaning you're locked into their services. This is
> because the carrier is responsible for switching you away, and guess
> what, carriers *hate* losing customers to their competitors.

I don't know anything about eSIM so I'll let the two of you work it out.
We benefit from that if Steve responds to your suggestions about his doc.

But in general, Steve ignores most suggestions, so it's amazing that
his document is as good as it is even as he doesn't take much advice.

Still... the Apple people can't refute a word he says about iOS.

>> 20i. Face Recognition
>
> Biometric security is inherently flawed. If it gets stolen, you cannot
> change it, unlike a password. A dead corpse can still be read with Face
> ID or fingerprint ID.

Biometric security is a (brilliant) marketing gimmick.
People feel) their face is unique and only about them (even twins).

The real threat to a phone isn't that we all live in slums where
people steal our phones out of our hands, so I don't even have
a PIN on mine - but since Apple requires people to log into the
Apple mainframes, people need to add these security locks as if
all Apple iPhone owners live in the abject squalor of the slums.

While Apple touts biometric gimmicks (remember, their users are ALWAYS
logged into Apple mainframe servers!) the real security hole is exploits.

And the iPhone has ten times the active exploits than any other phone!
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

>> 22i. Apple Credit Card with 3% discount and 0% financing on
>> purchases direct from Apple
>
> Why not encourage credit card debt, which is at an all-time high (here's
> a clue, it's in the _trillions_)?

The author of that document buys everything on credit,
and he engages in finding the best "rewards" credit cards.

To be fair, Steve finds some good deals but he spends way more
energy looking for those rewards dollars than any of us do.

>> 23i. Native hearing aid support
>
> I wear hearing aids, and I don't _need_ this feature, because it does
> *nothing* Bluetooth Audio cannot.

I let you and Steve work that out as I know nothing about it.

>> 30i Speakerphone on by default
>
> So you can annoy people on the bus/train/street?

Android has an app for that but it never worked for me.
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.hanan.android.ramkol>

What I want is when I dial a number, the speaker is automatically
on and I can turn it off - but Android doesn't work that way.

So he's actually right. Although the app may work for others,
and then he'd be wrong, which is why Android does more than iOS.

a. Developers create most functionality people want
b. Apple severely limits what functionality developers can provide
c. Google can't (or won't stop it)

>> 35i. Automatic sorting of AAC audio files based on type of usage
>
> AAC sucks. I say that as someone with a lot of knowledge on digital
> audio (for the record, I can spectrally analyse an audio file to
> determine if it was encoded correctly).

badgolferman wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 20:10:00 -0000 (UTC) :

>>Why would you want to take calls on a laptop? Also, the Windows Phone
>>Link, and also KDE Connect can do that, I am quite sure.
>
> When you're sitting in bed or on the couch with your iPad and the phone
> rings, you don't have to go find your phone to answer it. It will ring
> and you can answer it right in bed. My mother and wife who can never
> find their phones or have them in their purses use this feature all the
> time.

Android does the same things if you're willing to create an account as all
it needs is the Internet to do this - it has nothing to do with Apple.

The only reason Apple has it by default is you've created an account by
default, and you're always logged into that account, by default.

But Android has had this for years - which is one of the reasons I say that
Steve's document is pretty good - but Steve doesn't know Android well.

Unfortunately, Steve will never fix his document, which is one thing nospam
said that is true as I've emailed Steve in the past this information.

> which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good

How so? It's really imbalanced and clearly biased towards iOS, and
misrepresents certain arguments, is out-of-date in many places, and
cites features that have been in Android for longer than iOS as things
Android users "wish they'd have".

Gordinator wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 21:57:45 +0100 :

>> which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good
>
> How so? It's really imbalanced and clearly biased towards iOS, and
> misrepresents certain arguments, is out-of-date in many places, and
> cites features that have been in Android for longer than iOS as things
> Android users "wish they'd have".

I don't disagree with anything you've said... however... I will remark that
the Apple religious zealots say that Steve's doc is biased against Apple.

Most people don't realize the number of things that iOS just can't do.
Nor do they realize tghat for almost everything on Android, there's an app.

The author isn't good at finding apps, as he doesn't even know about this:
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>

BTW, that's ANOTHER thing iOS doesn't have which is a good appsearch
utility that filters on the scores of things users want to filter on.

I think it's a good document because it _tries_ to outline what the
functional differences are (which are many) especially given Apple spends
probably many millions to make people think Apple does things it doesn't.

The biggest failing, as I see it, are two fold, one on each platform:
a. On the Apple side, it touts what turns out to be Apple marketing crap
b. On the Android side, it ignores that Android can do almost everything

I think both are based on the author's ignorance but he's actually a user
of both platforms daily (as am I) so he does know more than most people do.

The author knows more than I do on some things (like bluetooth and eSIMs
and codecs) as do you - so as a team of people - we could make it better.

I just wish the author would listen to what you and I said to improve it.

Hello.

Thanks for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate it, and it
makes me less regretful for spending money for Usenet access :)

>
> In summary, the choices for Android are:
> a. 75% AUX
> b. 50% FM Radio
> c. 71% SD SLOT

That's pretty good stats, especially since FM radio is a fairly niche
feature, and phones have been ditching all three for well over a decade now.

>
> As you said, Apple adds bloatware, it's just Apple bloatware,
> and not carrier bloatware.

Don't get me started on carrier bloatware. It's why I buy phones
unlocked. It's why I install a custom OS on my phone, so I don't have
the entire Office suite taking up space on my phone (please, Samsung, I
don't need Play Store AND Galaxy Store!)

> What's worse about Apple bloatware is most of it is unremovable.

Well, to be fair, things like the Calculator and App Store are removable
(for some reason).

> Every app can be removed from the user partition without being root.

That's cool - I've been using rooted Android on and off since 2017 and I
didn't know that!

> Apple doesn't have privacy. As with Ashley Madison, they advertise
> they have privacy. But it doesn't exist for a number of reasons.

Just looking at what Ashley Madison makes you give them to sign up
eliminates the possibility of privacy.

> In addition, Apple won't allow the privacy of the Tor Browser.

Apple is scared of freedom-giving web browsers. Oh, the irony of it!

>
> Another of which is Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into
> every app - which no other operating system but Apple does.

So much for App Tracking Transparency.
>
> I can vouch for the fact that the Genius Bar people are useless.
>
> I went to them asking them to test why the iPad had far worse
> radio reception than Android and they didn't even know what a
> decibel was.
>
> All they did was use an UV light on the water detection strip
> (no water) and ensure that it had the latest operating system.
>
> That's all they can do.

Wait, you asked them about radio reception, and they checked for water
damage? And they didn't know what a decibel was? I know nothing about
radio and I know what a decibel is, come on!

>
> I don't know anything about eSIM so I'll let the two of you work it out.
> We benefit from that if Steve responds to your suggestions about his doc.

I doubt Steve will do that.

>
> Biometric security is a (brilliant) marketing gimmick.
> People feel) their face is unique and only about them (even twins).

As far as marketing gimmicks, saying "you can unlock your phone with
your face" is borderline genius in its success at converting new iPhone
users and creating new iPhone salespeople in the form of Android haters.

>
> The real threat to a phone isn't that we all live in slums where
> people steal our phones out of our hands, so I don't even have
> a PIN on mine - but since Apple requires people to log into the
> Apple mainframes, people need to add these security locks as if
> all Apple iPhone owners live in the abject squalor of the slums.

It's a little reductive to assume that most people don't worry about
getting their phone stolen. I mean, have you ever used the subway system
of a major city (London's Tube, etc.)? Pickpockets are RUTHLESS there.

>
> And the iPhone has ten times the active exploits than any other phone!

To be fair, it has a lot of eyes on the OS due to its popularity. It's
the same reason why the majority of desktop malware targets Windows.
It's not to say that no-one else is targeted, and it says nothing about
which is 'more secure' over Windows/Linux. Although I personally prefer
Linux ;)

>
> The author of that document buys everything on credit,
> and he engages in finding the best "rewards" credit cards.
>
> To be fair, Steve finds some good deals but he spends way more
> energy looking for those rewards dollars than any of us do.

Credit cards are a tool that can be used properly, provided you know
how. Using credit for literally everything is a bad idea. Then again,
I'm not the Money Police.

>
> What the author of that document doesn't know is that the iPhone
> has puny batteries compared to Android phones where that's why
> I've often said if someone is charging every night, they're on an iPhone
> (because Android phones can typically go a few days between charges).
>

They can, until they get as old as mine, at which point I need to set
the low battery threshold to 50% to remind me to conserve the battery
and use less cycles. It did the trick, that's for sure!

>
>>> 39i. Crash Detection
>>
>> False positives lead to useless 999/911/112 calls that cost taxpayer
>> money and hold up the phone line for someone having a *real* emergency.
>
> Apple sells mostly to people who are scared.
>

You forgot to mention people who want a "just works" experience, but to
be fair Android provides that AND the ability to tinker if your heart
desires.

>>> 40i. Physical Silent Mode Switch
>>
>> Physical volume buttons exist.
>
> Agree. Android can assign actions to the buttons.
>
On my S8, my old Bixby button switches between apps, it's great.

>
>>> 44i. Region restricted app stores
>>
>> Because that's a benefit and not DRM.
>
> Having restrictions is a disadvantage in my book.
>
>

Which is why I default to finding apps from F-Droid instead of Google
Play (and even then I use Aurora Store as a frontend for it). F-Droid is
awesome!

>>> 45i. AirTags
>>
>> Tile existed for a decade before AirTags did.
>
> And both Apple and Google recently signed a joint agreement
> so that mutual software will find them.
>

That's actually cool. I like this. It also makes AirTag so much easier
to reverse-engineer, since Android is mostly written in Java and its
derivatives ;)

>
>>> 48i. Realistic Replica Devices
>>
>> Yes, because I want a knock-off phone. If a design is easy to copy, it's
>> a bad design. End of.
>
> I don't even understand this one. A phone is a commodity.
> They all do the same things, even as iOS does fewer of them.
>

For the most part, you're right. However, I generally don't like the
idea of knock-off phones, since you're getting the worst of many worlds:

1. You are paying for a phone from a sketchy manufacturer that might put
actual malware on the phone, give you fake specs, etc.

2. You are supporting the manufacture of counterfeit devices, which may
be morally questionable to some.

3. You are supporting companies that produce e-waste, which is bad for
the planet and your wallet, since such e-waste will likely break sooner.

>
>
>>> 49i. iPhones Can Improve Your Love Life
>>
>> If someone likes you more because of a green bubble, they're not the
>> kind of person to be around.
>
> Agreed. The iPhone sells to gullible people who are herd animals.
>

Thank you for not saying "sheeple".

>>> 51i. Seamless Updates
>> Literally who cares. Updates download in the background, and install
>> with a reboot in less than 5 minutes. Again, NOBODY CARES.
>
> This is actually false. Android A/B updates are completely seamless.
> As is Project Mainline completely seamless.
>
> Project MainLine (since renamed a few times) for asynchronous updates:
> https://www.androidcentral.com/android-12-features-we-love-android-runtime-now-part-project-mainline
> https://www.xda-developers.com/android-project-mainline-modules-explanation/
> https://www.hexnode.com/blogs/android-project-mainline-everything-you-need-to-know/
>

The ability for my phone to update in a way that minimises risk is
always welcome.

>>> 52i. Less Fragmentation
>>
>> Fragmentation --> Competition
>
> Agreed. Fragmentation is good because it keeps the prices down and
> it keeps the functionality up.
>
> Even so, Samsung has the lion's share of Android anyway,
> which negates the fragmentation issue.
>

Shame the competition thing doesn't affect the cellphone carrier market.
Also, yes, Samsung does own the lion's share, meaning they're basically
a carbon copy of Apple in this regard (and others as well).

>
> Mostly the author suffers from reading too many Apple advertisements
> (e.g., he thinks the iPhone is more private and it's just not).

This sort of marketing actually aggravates me, and I wonder why
regulatory bodies don't look into it. You can't lie to sell a product.
Even worse is the aforementioned App Tracking Transparency, which is
just a way of Apple hogging your data for themselves.

On 16/05/2024 22:17, Andrew wrote:
> Gordinator wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 21:57:45 +0100 :
>
>>> which is one of the reasons I say that Steve's document is pretty good
>>
>> How so? It's really imbalanced and clearly biased towards iOS, and
>> misrepresents certain arguments, is out-of-date in many places, and
>> cites features that have been in Android for longer than iOS as things
>> Android users "wish they'd have".
>
> I don't disagree with anything you've said... however... I will remark that
> the Apple religious zealots say that Steve's doc is biased against Apple.
>
> Most people don't realize the number of things that iOS just can't do.
> Nor do they realize tghat for almost everything on Android, there's an app.
>
> The author isn't good at finding apps, as he doesn't even know about this:
> <https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=scadica.aq>
>
> BTW, that's ANOTHER thing iOS doesn't have which is a good appsearch
> utility that filters on the scores of things users want to filter on.
>
> I think it's a good document because it _tries_ to outline what the
> functional differences are (which are many) especially given Apple spends
> probably many millions to make people think Apple does things it doesn't.
>
> The biggest failing, as I see it, are two fold, one on each platform:
> a. On the Apple side, it touts what turns out to be Apple marketing crap
> b. On the Android side, it ignores that Android can do almost everything
>
> I think both are based on the author's ignorance but he's actually a user
> of both platforms daily (as am I) so he does know more than most people do.
>
> The author knows more than I do on some things (like bluetooth and eSIMs
> and codecs) as do you - so as a team of people - we could make it better.
>
> I just wish the author would listen to what you and I said to improve it.

You put it very succinctly. Steve, fix your document.

Gordinator wrote on Thu, 16 May 2024 22:24:41 +0100 :

> Thanks for taking the time to respond! I really appreciate it, and it
> makes me less regretful for spending money for Usenet access :)

I never spend money if I don't have to but it takes more work to
find good apps that are free, especially since I disabled the ability
to buy apps long ago on my phone.

As a result, even some payware apps are legally free, such as the
fantastic search engine that you don't get from Google or Apple.
<https://skyica.com/appfinder/get>

I even worked with that developer to test his app when it was
in the alpha stage (pre beta releases) and he added many of my
suggestions (unlike the author of that document on iOSvsAndroid).

BTW, given I pay for nothing that I can get for free, I also get my
Usenet for free - where I don't understand why people pay for Usenet.

But I'm not saying it's bad - as if everyone were like I am, then
everything would fall apart as nobody could make money off of us.
:)
>
>>
>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>> a. 75% AUX
>> b. 50% FM Radio
>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>
> That's pretty good stats, especially since FM radio is a fairly niche
> feature, and phones have been ditching all three for well over a decade now.

My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.

Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the
internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
(Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)

Most Android Camera apps can be set to save directly to the sdcard, which
reminds me, that's ANOTHER thing iOS can't do that is not in the doc.

The iPhone can't change the default Camera app as far as I know, whereas
Android can have as many camera apps as you want, where the Google GCam app
takes great night photos and the open source Open Camera does lots of good
things (too many to elucidate here but suffice to say iOS can't do them).
<https://opencamera.org.uk/>
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/opencamera/files/>
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/opencamera/>
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/net.sourceforge.opencamera/>
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera>

The lack of Camera apps on iOS with those features should be in the doc.
>> As you said, Apple adds bloatware, it's just Apple bloatware,
>> and not carrier bloatware.
>
> Don't get me started on carrier bloatware. It's why I buy phones
> unlocked. It's why I install a custom OS on my phone, so I don't have
> the entire Office suite taking up space on my phone (please, Samsung, I
> don't need Play Store AND Galaxy Store!)

Buying phones "unlocked" usually means "network unlocked" where in the USA
(where I am), my carrier will unlock even a locked phone automatically when
you own the phone (they gave it to me for free but they owned it for two
years). Then they automatically network unlocked it without me even asking.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NMcttY2s/networkunlock01.jpg>

But that network lock/unlock has nothing to do with bloatware removal.
You can always remove bloatware if you use adb freeware on a PC to do it.
<https://www.kaspersky.com/blog/how-to-disable-and-remove-android-bloatware/49960/>

I repeat: All apps can be removed from the Android user space.
(without being rooted)

So if there is bloatware, you can just remove it.

As an example, I've removed _both_ the Galaxy Store & Play Store from
my phone, and then I use Aurora to get any app I want from the Google Play
Store repository - without any Google or Samsung account on my phone.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Bnyr9fP1/account01.jpg>

>> What's worse about Apple bloatware is most of it is unremovable.
>
> Well, to be fair, things like the Calculator and App Store are removable
> (for some reason).

As I said _all_ apps are removable from the user space on Android.
Without root. <https://www.google.com/search?q=adb+remove+bloatware>

>> Every app can be removed from the user partition without being root.
>
> That's cool - I've been using rooted Android on and off since 2017 and I
> didn't know that!

While I rooted my Samsung Galaxy S3 to get rid of Knox, unfortunately for
me, my Android baseband version is unrootable (according to the XDA
Developers' web site) so everything I do is as a normal user without any
account set up on the phone.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NG5pHyBx/aurora10.jpg>

There is no bloatware since you can easily remove anything.

See? That's the kind of stuff that the author of that document doesn't
umnderstand, as he only believes what he sees in advertisements.

And nobody in advertisements is gonna tell you that you can remove anything
you want from an Android phone without needing to be rooted.

>> Apple doesn't have privacy. As with Ashley Madison, they advertise
>> they have privacy. But it doesn't exist for a number of reasons.
>
> Just looking at what Ashley Madison makes you give them to sign up
> eliminates the possibility of privacy.

Yup. When the Ashley Madison hack of 30 million people hit the news a few
years ago, it was said the company made you pay to scrub your data.

They took the money - but they never scrubbed the data.
They lied.

That's why they lost a big lawsuit (as I recall).

It's no different than Apple who lies all the time about having privacy.
On iOS you can't even have the Tor browser privacy for God's sake.

>> In addition, Apple won't allow the privacy of the Tor Browser.
>
> Apple is scared of freedom-giving web browsers. Oh, the irony of it!

Not really. Apple simply requires WebKit for all browsers.

Why? I don't know why. But WebKit has no privacy (according to the
makers of the tor browser - which I gave you the link to as I tell
the truth about all platforms).

Very many of Apple's zero-day holes are in WebKit by the way,
which is another thing Apple never touts in its advertisements.

>> Another of which is Apple inserts a unique tracking ID into
>> every app - which no other operating system but Apple does.
>
> So much for App Tracking Transparency.

Most people are unaware that Google can't insert a tracking ID into
downloaded apps and Apple always does.

Also most people aren't aware a free Android app works on all phones, while
a free iOS app does not - they only work on phones with your AppleID.

(Or your family plan - but that's essentially just another AppleID.)

>> I can vouch for the fact that the Genius Bar people are useless.
>>
>> I went to them asking them to test why the iPad had far worse
>> radio reception than Android and they didn't even know what a
>> decibel was.
>>
>> All they did was use an UV light on the water detection strip
>> (no water) and ensure that it had the latest operating system.
>>
>> That's all they can do.
>
> Wait, you asked them about radio reception, and they checked for water
> damage? And they didn't know what a decibel was? I know nothing about
> radio and I know what a decibel is, come on!

Android has many utilities for graphically displaying Wi-Fi and Cellular
signal strength in realtime whereas iOS doesn't have a single one, which is
something that is in the document that Steve has published for us to read.
<https://i.postimg.cc/Gtywwn8f/signal01.jpg>

What I've noticed is the iPad sucks compared to Android for picking up
Wi-Fi access points that the Android phone can easily see but iOS can't.
<https://i.postimg.cc/4xgmTTgm/wifi01.jpg>

When I brought it to the Genius Bar to debug, they knew absolutely nothing
about how to test Wi-Fi signal strength.

All they can do is check the phone to see if it's physically damaged.

>> I don't know anything about eSIM so I'll let the two of you work it out.
>> We benefit from that if Steve responds to your suggestions about his doc.
>
> I doubt Steve will do that.

I hope the two of you work out the eSIM and other issues I know nothing
about (bluetooth, credit cards, etc.) as nobody knows everything but
together as a team we know almost everything about the iPhone & Android.

>> Biometric security is a (brilliant) marketing gimmick.
>> People feel) their face is unique and only about them (even twins).
>
> As far as marketing gimmicks, saying "you can unlock your phone with
> your face" is borderline genius in its success at converting new iPhone
> users and creating new iPhone salespeople in the form of Android haters.

I agree that the biometric gimmick works on people who are herd animals,
and specifically it works for people who are scared shitless of a phone.

Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
[...]
> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>
> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the
> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)

I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
convenient.

Much too much fiddling to get the MicroSD card out of a miniscule
'slot' or 'tray' (your Samsung Galaxy A53 probably has a 'tray' (my A51
has)) and insert it in the miniscule 'slot' or 'tray' of the destination
device.

For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
much, much more convenient.

But I understand *why* you are touting the SD card slot on Android
phones, because only Android phones have them, while the memory-stick
approach also works on iDevices, so that ruins your troll! :-)

[...]

On 2024-05-17 12:34, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Andrew <andrew@spam.net> wrote:
> [...]
>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>>
>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the
>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
>
> I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
> convenient.
>
> Much too much fiddling to get the MicroSD card out of a miniscule
> 'slot' or 'tray' (your Samsung Galaxy A53 probably has a 'tray' (my A51
> has)) and insert it in the miniscule 'slot' or 'tray' of the destination
> device.
>
> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> Micro-USB, Lightning). Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> much, much more convenient.
>
> But I understand *why* you are touting the SD card slot on Android
> phones, because only Android phones have them, while the memory-stick
> approach also works on iDevices, so that ruins your troll! :-)
>
> [...]

Not to mention just directly transferring the data.

Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :

>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>>
>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the
>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
>
> I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
> convenient.

Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and the FM
radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as those).

> Much too much fiddling to get the MicroSD card out of a miniscule
> 'slot' or 'tray' (your Samsung Galaxy A53 probably has a 'tray' (my A51
> has)) and insert it in the miniscule 'slot' or 'tray' of the destination
> device.

While that is true, what I do is use the PC to set the volume label of the
sd card to "0000-0001" for _all_ my sdcards on _all_ my phones, which is
genius when you realize what that simple act of reformatting allows us.

Notice that EVERY sd card looks alike to Android, so I can pop my sd card
out of my phone and pop it into another phone, and the apps all look at the
same data (which makes migration to a new phone super easy, especially as I
had to return my Samsung Galaxy A32-5G three times to T-Mobile under
warranty because I was rough on the phone - and because I use adb on it).
Do you see the genius in that, Frank>?
1. I use my last known good version of Nova to save my homescreen
2. I use Aurora to automatically save every app I ever installed
3. And I keep everything of value that I can in a sub folder of the
sd card in all cases, which is /storage/0000-0001/0001/{folders}.

At some point I screwed up the USB-C port (by sleeping on the phone with
the cord plugged in) and T-Mobile replaced it for free (waiving the $20
store replacement procedure by crediting $20 to my bill).

It was trivial to reload the phone exactly as it was prior, with all the
exact apps and their exact versions and their exact locations. The only
thing that had problems were some of the shortcuts, which I never did debug
since it was easy enough to make shortcuts to activities inside apps.

Then I used adb too aggressively (or, I don't know, something else) but the
phone was bricked at one point, so T-Mobile checked it at the store, and by
now it was a $25 warranty fee which T-Mobile also credited my bill for.

This time everything came over perfectly and all the map data, for example,
and pictures, and encrypted database, and the webdav servers, etc., worked
just fine because the phone was using the sd card and all my sd cards are
formatted with the volume label of "0000-0001" so they look alike to the
phone and more importantly (since the phone doesn't care what the volume
label is) they look exactly alike to the apps that use the sd card.

> For portable storage, it's much easier to plug a (compatible)
> memory-stick into the USB or Lightning port. There are many such
> memory-sticks, most with dual plugs of different types (USB-A, USB-C,
> Micro-USB, Lightning).

I understand what you're saying but that's not necessarily portable
storage, at least the way I'm using the word portable for sd cards.

What I mean by portable sd card storage is I can crush my phone to bits,
but as long as the sd card is intact, I can reload another phone with the
same apps (using the nova backup/restore) and when I plug the sd card into
that brand new Android phone, everythign works *exactly* as it did prior!
Note: Everything stored on the sd card, which is as much as I can
put on it given it's multiple times the default storage size.

For example, all the map apps which have map data on the sd card in
the /storage/0000-0001/0001/map/osmand/{data} location, still work.

The camera still sees all the old photos. The webdav servers sill see the
same WebDAVWWW root directory. The files apps see the same folders. etc.

That's damn portable, don't you think?

> Yes, more expensive than a MicroSD card, but
> much, much more convenient.

Heh heh heh... I can do that for free Frank, with my iPad.
It's trivial to turn an iPad into a portable read/write memory stick.

You just have to know how, which probably one in a million people know, but
I wrote multiple tutorials on how to do that Frank. You just forgot.

Please remember, I'm of at least average intelligence and I'm well
educated, which means I find solutions that one out of million can.

> But I understand *why* you are touting the SD card slot on Android
> phones, because only Android phones have them, while the memory-stick
> approach also works on iDevices, so that ruins your troll! :-)

No. You're wrong on that. Very wrong. You ascribe the wrong motive to me.
That's because your motives aren't as honorable as mine are Frank.

I will always say when the iPhone is better, Frank, if it's better.

For example, in this thread alone I've said the iPhone is more private when
using Google Voice than is Android - did I not? I simply tell the truth.

What you don't remember is I wrote detailed tutorials to make the entire
iPad into a read/write USB stick, Frank - which is a far better as it's
free, and at the same time it doesn't destroy the utility of the iPad.

Never forget that I am not stupid, Frank, and that I'm of at least average
intelligence, and that I find solutions to almost all problems I face.

Probably one out of a million people can do what I can do, Frank.

You don't have to believe it - but I bet you don't know how to turn any
iPad into a read/write USB stick either - so just take that on faith Frank.

Better yet, I'll prove I can do what one out of a million know how to do.
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous linux, win10 & iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick on Win
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for its magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" does nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

In summary, I appreciate your help, where I aim to solve (or work around)
any problem that I run into - but first I have to understand how it works.

On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
> Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
>
>>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
>>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>>>
>>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending the
>>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
>>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures & video.)
>>
>> I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
>> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
>> convenient.
>
> Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
> Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and the FM
> radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as those).

Even if nobody is using them...

Alan wrote:
> On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
>>
>>>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
>>>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>>>>
>>>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for extending
>>>> the
>>>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't do.
>>>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures &
>>>> video.)
>>>
>>>    I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but IMO
>>> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
>>> convenient.
>>
>> Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
>> Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and the FM
>> radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as those).
>
> Even if nobody is using them...

Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
Glued together. And the software that drops support after a few years.

Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.

Both are the result of pure greed.

At least apple has a thriving cult.

On 2024-05-17 15:04, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
>>>
>>>>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the aux
>>>>> jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd slot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for
>>>>> extending the
>>>>> internal memory - but it's also portable storage - which they can't
>>>>> do.
>>>>> (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so they can save pictures &
>>>>> video.)
>>>>
>>>>    I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones, but
>>>> IMO
>>>> using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not very
>>>> convenient.
>>>
>>> Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
>>> Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and
>>> the FM
>>> radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as much as
>>> those).
>>
>> Even if nobody is using them...
>
> Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
> Glued together. And the software that drops support after a few years.

Whereby with iOS "a few years" means "almost always more than 5 years"...

....which is longer than most phones survive.

>
> Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.
>
> Both are the result of pure greed.
>
> At least apple has a thriving cult.

<yawn>

On 2024-05-17, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-05-17 13:54, Andrew wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote on 17 May 2024 19:34:44 GMT :
>>>
>>>>> My Android phones are all free from T-Mobile and they all have the
>>>>> aux jack, the FM radio, and the all important portable-storage sd
>>>>> slot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most iPhone users think the portable storage slot is only for
>>>>> extending the internal memory - but it's also portable storage -
>>>>> which they can't do. (Apple wants them to pay for the iCloud so
>>>>> they can save pictures & video.)
>>>>
>>>>    I know you like to tout the SD card 'slot' on Android phones,
>>>> but IMO using them for *portable* storage, while possible, is not
>>>> very convenient.
>>>
>>> Thank you for understanding that I _love_ that more than half of all
>>> Android phones in use today still have the SD slot, the aux jack and
>>> the FM radio (if not the removable battery - which I loved just as
>>> much as those).
>>
>> Even if nobody is using them...
>
> Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.

I've replaced plenty of iPhone batteries. And for those who aren't
skilled enough or don't have the required parts and tools, Apple will
rent the tools needed to users along with detailed instructions and
replacement batteries. So it's untrue to say they are not
user-replaceable.

> Glued together. And the software that drops support after a few years.

Devices can run indefinitely even after support expires, if well taken
care of.

> Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.

No.

> At least apple has a thriving cult.

So claim the Android zealots.

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Hank Rogers wrote on Fri, 17 May 2024 17:04:49 -0500 :

>> Even if nobody is using them...
>
> Both phones suffer from the shitty and non-user replaceable batteries.
> Glued together.

This is true but at least 5% of Android models still have them.
While 0% of Apple models ever had user-replaceable batteries.

> And the software that drops support after a few years.

The full software support for Android is far better than iOS for a variety
of reasons which the Apple zealots would never be able to comprehend.

For example, apple zealots are completely ignorant that all Android phones
(4.4 & above) are updated monthly completely seamlessly over the Internet.

<https://www.androidheadlines.com/2022/01/google-monthly-changelog-play-system-updates.html>
"Google System updates, meanwhile, are fully automated. Originally
referred to as Project Mainline, these updates fix bugs discovered
in various OS components like device connectivity, location services,
media services, Emergency alerts, and others."

Google & Samsung phones have 7 years of multi-update full support.
*Samsung Extends Android and Security Updates to 7 Years*
<https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/samsung-extends-android-and-security-updates-to-7-years/>
"Samsung phones now come backed with seven years' worth of
security updates and seven generations of OS upgrades."

*Google just put Apple and Samsung on notice - 7 years of software updates*
<https://www.tomsguide.com/opinion/google-pixel-8-software-updates>
"That support covers everything, including full Android updates,
the regular Pixel feature drops and security updates."

Apple only fully supports one release and one release alone.
<https://support.apple.com/guide/deployment/about-software-updates-depc4c80847a/>

Which is partially why iPhones have more than 1-1/2 times known exploits!
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

The other part is by all accounts, Apple has the worst QA in the
industry, which was easily proven by Google's Project Zero analysis.

> Both are shitty chinese disposable devices. Pure crap.

This is mostly true, as they are 'shitty disposable devices', but some are
built in India and others in South Korea... not sure about the rest.
> Both are the result of pure greed.

The profit margins on Apple devices are extremely high (around 50%) so
there's less greed (but only due to competition) in Android pricing.

For example, my phone was free (I only had to pay the tax) and T-Mobile
replaced it twice for free (it's my third one) because I broke it twice.

> At least apple has a thriving cult.

I always wondered why Apple has that thriving cult, and I'm only slowly
realizing the Apple users are herd animals who can't think on their own.