More about RCS.

First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
T-mobile.

RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.

HOw cool is that.

In my case the two circles even show up in the table of contents page .

Today, I am the contact for the snow removal company and they texted me
this afternoon wanting authority to salt tomorrow. The weather report
shows almost no snow tomorrow , and we've had them be over aggressive
before. So I texted them back not to salt . And it shows the two circles
that they received the text but seven hours later it doesn't show that
they read it. It's now 10:00 PM . You can't solve this problem for me
but it shows how I know we still got a problem. Maybe they are ignoring
the text so they can salt anyhow . The weather report has gotten even
better since 3:00 this afternoon. I will do something , but this shows
the advantage of knowing whether or not your text has been read ,
something which i don't think RCS predecessors showed. Did they?

On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
> More about RCS.
>
> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
> T-mobile.
>
> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>
> HOw cool is that.

All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
standard. Nothing to write home about.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
>> More about RCS.
>>
>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
>> T-mobile.
>>
>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>
>> HOw cool is that.
>
>All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>standard. Nothing to write home about.

Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
before I got RCS.

On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>
> HOw cool is that.
>

If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.

On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
>>> More about RCS.
>>>
>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
>>> T-mobile.
>>>
>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>
>>> HOw cool is that.
>>
>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>
> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
> before I got RCS.

Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
possible if needed.

You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
>>>> More about RCS.
>>>>
>>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
>>>> T-mobile.
>>>>
>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>>
>>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>
>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>>
>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
>> before I got RCS.
>
>Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
>possible if needed.

I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
>
>You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.

As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps
that makes up for it.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> >On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
> >> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> >> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
> >>>> More about RCS.
> >>>>
> >>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
> >>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
> >>>> T-mobile.
> >>>>
> >>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
> >>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
> >>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
> >>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
> >>>>
> >>>> HOw cool is that.
> >>>
> >>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
> >>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
> >>
> >> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
> >> before I got RCS.
> >
> >Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
> >possible if needed.
>
> I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
> noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.

Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably
confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger",
"messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS.

But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms
such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc..

These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many
years.

That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still
stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what
you're missing.

> >You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.
>
> As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps
> that makes up for it.

In this case, it's not an insult, but a statement of fact.

On 03.01.25 15:36, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
>>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
>>>>> More about RCS.
>>>>>
>>>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
>>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
>>>>> T-mobile.
>>>>>
>>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>>>
>>>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>>
>>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>>>
>>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
>>> before I got RCS.
>>
>> Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
>> possible if needed.
>
> I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
> noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
>>
>> You seem not to understand the nature of RCS.
>
> As usual, you are not much help. But you are good at insults. Perhaps
> that makes up for it.

That was a simple diagnosis based on your bewildered post.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On 2025-01-03 16:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 15:25:11 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03.01.25 14:02, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
>>>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03.01.25 04:55, micky wrote:
>>>>>> More about RCS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I see that my phone now I has RCS for its text-replying. It's a
>>>>>> Xiaomi phone using Mint Mobile for service (mint Mobile is now owned by
>>>>>> T-mobile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>>>
>>>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>>>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>>>>
>>>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
>>>> before I got RCS.
>>>
>>> Simply because we are not discussing emails. And there it is also
>>> possible if needed.
>>
>> I used email in the last line when I meant to say texts. I never
>> noticed any indication that my texts had been read before I got RCS.
>
> Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably
> confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger",
> "messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS.
>
> But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms
> such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc..
>
> These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many
> years.
>
> That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still
> stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what
> you're missing.

But we non-Americans should be aware of the fact that texting (meaning
SMS) is very popular at the other side of the pond, whereas platforms
like whatsapp, signal, telegram... are not.

Thus for them RCS is a big improvement.

And Jörg knows all this, but chose to feign ignorance.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

micky, 2025-01-03 14:02:

> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
[...]
>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>
> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
> before I got RCS.

"email" is not "messenger". Don't get confused with that - these are to
fundamental different services.

E-Mail uses long existing standard protocols like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and
can be used with clients like K9 mail, Google Mail and so on. It is also
a federated infrastrucutre, which means you can have a GMail account but
you can also send e-mails to people at Hotmail or any other custom
domain which has e-mail services enabled - because servers of the
providers accept messages from other providers outside their own
network. Yes, this has some limitations to avoid spam, but this is the
general idea of federation.

Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
to join the messenger service you use yourself.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:

> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>
>> HOw cool is that.
>>
>
> If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
> they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.

Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:
> micky, 2025-01-03 14:02:
>
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 06:58:16 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
>> <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> [...]
>>> All other messengers have this functionality for years. This is minimum
>>> standard. Nothing to write home about.
>>
>> Really? I never noticed any indication that my emails had been read
>> before I got RCS.
>
> "email" is not "messenger". Don't get confused with that - these are to
> fundamental different services.
>
> E-Mail uses long existing standard protocols like SMTP, POP3, IMAP and
> can be used with clients like K9 mail, Google Mail and so on. It is also
> a federated infrastrucutre, which means you can have a GMail account but
> you can also send e-mails to people at Hotmail or any other custom
> domain which has e-mail services enabled - because servers of the
> providers accept messages from other providers outside their own
> network. Yes, this has some limitations to avoid spam, but this is the
> general idea of federation.
>
> Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
> services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
> WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
> either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
> to join the messenger service you use yourself.

Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> Wrote in message:

> Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>
>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>
>>
>> If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
>> they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
>
> Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
> since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
> the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
>
Might the recipient have seen the message in a notification on the
home screen, but not opened the messages app to read it? I don't
know - I don't use RCS.

I know one of my apps - I forget which, or even which phone -
pings to remind me I have an unread message when I've read it as
a notification - and it just says 'OK', say.
--
Remove numerics from my email address.

On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.

SMS yes. RCS no.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
>
> SMS yes. RCS no.
On new year's eve, I received for the first time an RCS message from an
iPhone user (a corporate device which I have no doubt is remotely
provisioned to within an inch of its life).

On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:

> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>
> HOw cool is that.

I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
off the typing indicator as well.

--
s|b

On 04.01.25 11:00, s|b wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>
>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>
>> HOw cool is that.
>
> I turned that off, so you won't see anything when you text me. Turned
> off the typing indicator as well.

Voilà! Same here.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
>
> SMS yes. RCS no.

Why do you think I said SMS?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2025-01-04 08:52, Dave Royal wrote:
> Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de> Wrote in message:
>
>> Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>>
>>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
>>> they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
>>
>> Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
>> since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
>> the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
>>
> Might the recipient have seen the message in a notification on the
> home screen, but not opened the messages app to read it?

Certainly.

> I don't
> know - I don't use RCS.

Next time you replace your phone, RCS should be enabled by default :-)

> I know one of my apps - I forget which, or even which phone -
> pings to remind me I have an unread message when I've read it as
> a notification - and it just says 'OK', say.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 04.01.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
>>
>> SMS yes. RCS no.
>
> Why do you think I said SMS?

Why do think I wrote the post in the first place?
RCS no.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2025-01-03 16:38, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> > Jörg said "other messengers", not other SMS/MMS apps. You're probably
> > confused because - being an American - you equate "messenger",
> > "messages", etc. with 'texting', i.e. SMS.
> >
> > But with "messengers", Jörg refers to IM (Instant Messsging) platforms
> > such as WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, etc., etc..
> >
> > These platforms have had received and read indicator for many, many
> > years.
> >
> > That's why we non-Americans don't get it why you Americans are still
> > stuck in the - relative - stone age and do not even know/realize what
> > you're missing.
>
> But we non-Americans should be aware of the fact that texting (meaning
> SMS) is very popular at the other side of the pond, whereas platforms
> like whatsapp, signal, telegram... are not.

Yes, I'm sure all non-Americans in this group are well aware of that.

> Thus for them RCS is a big improvement.

So which age comes after the stone age!? :-)

> And Jörg knows all this, but chose to feign ignorance.

Well, IMO, in Jörg terms, this one wasn't so bad.

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel
<usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:

>Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
>
>> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>
>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>
>>
>> If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
>> they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.

>Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
>since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
>the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.

I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,
and I'd just about guarantee he read my two texts. And the one today.
I'm the contact for whether he is allowed to salt in advance of the
snow, and we're in a dispute already because he did it a couple weeks
ago without contacting me, and there was no snow. But he'd billed us
2000 dollars. That's when he started texting me like he was supposed to
for the last 2 years.

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 4 Jan 2025 13:49:28 +0100, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>On 04.01.25 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2025-01-04 09:02, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 04.01.25 02:55, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.
>>>
>>> SMS yes. RCS no.
>>
>> Why do you think I said SMS?
>
>Why do think I wrote the post in the first place?

Because you are a cantankerous person, and that is by far too gentle a
term. There are much, much stronger ones that apply. You show it all
the time and not just with me. Surely you know that about yourself.

>RCS no.

On 2025-01-05 02:45, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 3 Jan 2025 23:25:31 +0100, Arno Welzel
> <usenet@arnowelzel.de> wrote:
>
>> Joe Beanfish, 2025-01-03 14:46:
>>
>>> On Thu, 02 Jan 2025 22:55:06 -0500, micky wrote:
>>>> RCS has this cool service. When you send a text, it shows a little
>>>> circle with a check mark in it. When the other party receives the text,
>>>> it shows also an overlapping little circle with a check mark. When the
>>>> other party READS the text I've sent, it shows both circles in blue.
>>>>
>>>> HOw cool is that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If the recipient doesn't have RCS, there will be no way to know if
>>> they read or not and the circles wouldn't turn blue either way.
>
>> Yes, but you will see if someone has RCS before you send the message
>> since using the phone number of the recipient the device can check, if
>> the recipient is connected to the RCS network services.
>
> I didn't see any indication in advance or after that he didn't have RCS,

Look carefully. In the message box before you start typing, there is a
faint lettering that says RCS or SMS/MMS. RCS inside the box, sms above
the box. The colour is also slightly different.

The google messages app has that feature.

....

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R., 2025-01-04 02:55:

> On 2025-01-03 23:22, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...
>> Messengers on the other hand are mostly proprietary non-federated
>> services like WhatsApp, Signal, Telegram, Threema etc. which use servers
>> of the respective provider (like Meta in the case of WhatsApp) and they
>> send messages using these servers. You also can not send message from
>> WhatsApp to Signal or Threema. If you have friends using Threema you
>> either also need a Threema account or you have to convince your friends
>> to join the messenger service you use yourself.
>
> Whereas SMS is guaranteed to exist on any (mobile) phone.

Yes - but it is not guaranteed any longer to be delivered. At least in
Germany I experienced it more than once that SMS from one provider to
another did not get delivered to the recipient. Since providers don't
earn extra money for SMS any longer, they tend not to care about
interoperability any longer.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de