On 12/28/24 22:32, Andrew wrote:
> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>
> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>
> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.

Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
industry has ever produced.

W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:

>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>
>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>
>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>
> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
> industry has ever produced.

It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
proprietary Lightning port.

Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too
>>> long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>> "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>> force.
>>
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>> industry has ever produced.
>
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.
>
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.

bad sector wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:25:44 -0500 :

>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>
> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.

By forcing Apple to care about its customers, the EU did everyone a favor.

There's a reason the EU forced Apple to increase the battery capacity, for
example, as Apple wouldn't be able to sell a single iPhone if they did not.

Not a single iPhone prior to that legislation being drafted had anywhere
near the overall long-term battery life of most Android phones.

Even AFTER Apple (barely) complied with the EU's battery-life statutes, no
iPhone even comes close to the overall battery life of most Androids.

Apple hates you.

On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>
>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>> too long.
>>>>
>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>
>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>> "terrified" of
>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>> force.
>>>
>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>> industry has ever produced.
>>
>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>> union
>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>> decision
>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>
>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>
> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>
>

Tell us all:

Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
worked out well?

On 2024-12-29 09:39, Andrew wrote:
> bad sector wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:25:44 -0500 :
>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>
> By forcing Apple to care about its customers, the EU did everyone a favor.
>
> There's a reason the EU forced Apple to increase the battery capacity, for
> example, as Apple wouldn't be able to sell a single iPhone if they did not.

This is false.

>
> Not a single iPhone prior to that legislation being drafted had anywhere
> near the overall long-term battery life of most Android phones.

This is false.

>
> Even AFTER Apple (barely) complied with the EU's battery-life statutes, no
> iPhone even comes close to the overall battery life of most Androids.

This is false.

>
> Apple hates you.

On 2024-12-29 07:18, Jan K. wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too
>>> long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>> "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>> force.
>>
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>> industry has ever produced.
>
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.

Bullshit.

Did they profit? Sure.

"Significantly". No way.

>
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851

Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>
>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>>
>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>
>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>>
>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>> industry has ever produced.
>
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
> proprietary Lightning port.
>
> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).

Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.

It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
it will have.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:18:54 +0100, Jan K. wrote:
> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people),

If you ignore India and China.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:21:36 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>
> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
>
> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
> it will have.

Bear in mind Apple puts the cheapest possible components into the iPhone.
That's why the EU mandates forbid Apple to sell any iPhone in Europe.

Only then did Apple increase the battery capacity of the iPhone, Chris.

And even then, Apple barely made it to the EU minimum battery life, Chris.

Note: Apple trolls don't know the difference between hours in a day vs the
battery lifetime in years. Seriously - Apple trolls are that stupid.

If Apple didn't increase the size of batteries in iPhones, the EU would
have outlawed the sales of every single iPhone ever made, Chris.

Even now, only two iPhones (15 & 16) barely meet the EU lifetime standard.
Think about that.

The EU mandate means no iPhone prior to the EU's mandate (iPhone 14 &
below) comes even close to the bare *minimum* mobile device battery
lifetime - which is why they can no longer be sold new in the EU (as of
when the law takes effect).

Apple hates you.

Thank God the EU forces Apple to care about its customer (for once).

On 2024-12-29 18:50, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:21:36 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
>> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
>> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit
>> mandating
>> it will have.
>
> Bear in mind Apple puts the cheapest possible components into the iPhone.

False.

> That's why the EU mandates forbid Apple to sell any iPhone in Europe.

False. Literally never ever happened.

>
> Only then did Apple increase the battery capacity of the iPhone, Chris.
>
> And even then, Apple barely made it to the EU minimum battery life, Chris.
>
> Note: Apple trolls don't know the difference between hours in a day vs the
> battery lifetime in years. Seriously - Apple trolls are that stupid.

Battery lifetime is measure in CYCLES.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:
> > Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
[...]
> >> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
> >> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
> >
> > Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
> > phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
> >
> > It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
> > it will have.
>
> It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch
> ebook, and it was difficult.
>
> So yes, I welcome that law a lot.

Same here with my wife's Kobo Auro E2 eReader. Battery charge lasted
only for a few days, when *not* used.

Also other devices with internal rechargeable batteries which are not
replaceable by the user and often also not - or at least not
economically feasible - by the supplier.

For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2], etc..

Apparently we're supposed to throw these devices away after only a few
years. Not only wasting money, but also wasting precious and limited
materials/metals and addiding to electronic waste.

Of course user/easy replaceable batteries would make these devices
somewhat larger and somewhat more expensive. But I would like to have
that choice.

[1] This one is already basically dead. Only lasts for a few hours after
charging.

[2] Already had to throw away three of those.

On 12/29/24 13:02, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>
>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>> too long.
>>>>>
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>> force.
>>>>
>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB
>>>> inteface wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of
>>>> shit the industry has ever produced.
>>>
>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>> union
>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>> decision
>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you
>>> know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>
> Tell us all:
>
> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
> worked out well?

Irrelevant, no industry has to work out well, or at all for that matter.
In a democracy it is the majoritary value systen that is supposed to
rule and not 'anything/anyone making money is sacred'. We have
standardized wall outlets instead of a design for each supplier even
though captive houses cannot run away to a different grid.

--
All species of mobile phones, media devices, Bluetooth or not, and
onboard presentation systems beyond what is essential for vehicle
control should automatically disable themselves within 10 meters of any
vehicle in motion at any speed. "Hands-Free does NOT mean Brain-Free".
In the case of approaching vehicles (pedestrian use included) that
distance should be multiplied (prorated) for every 5km/h of CLOSURE
speed (i.e. no such device should be operable within 200 meters of any
vehicle approaching at 100 km/h). Manufacturers of devices in which such
an automatic lockout feature is missing or can be disabled should first
pay large fines and then be barred from the jurisdiction market. With
respect to other road-hog conduct, in addition to intoxication or
attention-diverting use of lethal-technology while driving,
brake-checking and tailgating should also be hanging crimes. Any
irresponsible vehicle handling should in fact be punished exactly as it
would be in the case of irresponsible weapons handling (which ALSO needs
to be beefed up).

On 2024-12-31 13:10, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:
>>> Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
> [...]
>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
>>> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
>>>
>>> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
>>> it will have.
>>
>> It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch
>> ebook, and it was difficult.
>>
>> So yes, I welcome that law a lot.
>
> Same here with my wife's Kobo Auro E2 eReader. Battery charge lasted
> only for a few days, when *not* used.

The Kobo Libra Colour announced that it is serviceable. I take it to
mean that there will be spares.

>
> Also other devices with internal rechargeable batteries which are not
> replaceable by the user and often also not - or at least not
> economically feasible - by the supplier.
>
> For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
> transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2], etc..

Right.

> Apparently we're supposed to throw these devices away after only a few
> years. Not only wasting money, but also wasting precious and limited
> materials/metals and addiding to electronic waste.
>
> Of course user/easy replaceable batteries would make these devices
> somewhat larger and somewhat more expensive. But I would like to have
> that choice.

Yes.

>
> [1] This one is already basically dead. Only lasts for a few hours after
> charging.
>
> [2] Already had to throw away three of those.

:-(

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],

> [2] Already had to throw away three of those.

Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing. Again.

--
Davey.

Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
> transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
>
> > [2] Already had to throw away three of those.
>
> Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing. Again.

To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I used
scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell the time,
have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there isn't a
clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a 'smartwatch' (contrary to
what is/isn't a 'smartphone').

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 19:21, Chris wrote:
>> Jan K. <janicekoziol@nie.ma.spamu.prosze.com> wrote:
>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>
>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for too long.
>>>>>
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-universal-
>>>>> chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into force.
>>>>
>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>
>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major union
>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this decision
>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>
>> Which almost no-one made use of and the only "feature" of it was that
>> phones regularly broke into three pieces every time they were dropped.
>>
>> It's cheap to replace batteries currently. Not sure what benefit mandating
>> it will have.
>
> It is not only phones. I had to replace the battery in my Kobo touch
> ebook, and it was difficult.
>
> So yes, I welcome that law a lot.

I agree with other devices there are benefits. Particularly, the smaller
things like earpods or smartwatches. I don't understand why people accept
spending hundreds on essentially disposable products.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>
>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>> too long.
>>>>>
>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>
>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>> force.
>>>>
>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>
>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>> union
>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>> decision
>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>
>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>
>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>
>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>
>>
>
> Tell us all:
>
> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
> worked out well?

Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.

On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> > On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
> > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
> > transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
> >
> > > [2] Already had to throw away three of those.
> >
> > Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
> > Again.
>
> To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
> used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
> the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
> isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
> 'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').

I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to 'smartphones'.
But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we can make something,
doesn't mean we have to use it. See: Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ
zones.
--
Davey.

On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>>
>>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>>> too long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>>> force.
>>>>>
>>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>>
>>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>>> union
>>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>>> decision
>>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>>
>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>>
>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>>
>>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Tell us all:
>>
>> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
>> worked out well?
>
> Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
>

In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer;
what country?

Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> > > On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
> > > Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
> > > transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
> > >
> > > > [2] Already had to throw away three of those.
> > >
> > > Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
> > > Again.
> >
> > To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
> > used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
> > the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
> > isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
> > 'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
>
> I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
> register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
> 'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.

Exactly, that's what you *see*. What you don't see, is their
'invisible' uses, Not 'defending' smartwatches in any way, but only
objecting to judging things by what one sees.

> And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to 'smartphones'.
> But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we can make something,
> doesn't mean we have to use it. See: Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ
> zones.

As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two), fully
agreed. Don't get me started! :-(

On 2024-12-31 20:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
>>>> transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
>>>>
>>>>> [2] Already had to throw away three of those.
>>>>
>>>> Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
>>>> Again.
>>>
>>> To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
>>> used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
>>> the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
>>> isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
>>> 'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
>>
>> I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
>> register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
>> 'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
>
> Exactly, that's what you *see*. What you don't see, is their
> 'invisible' uses, Not 'defending' smartwatches in any way, but only
> objecting to judging things by what one sees.

Years ago, I said I would never wear a smartwatch. Yet here I am, the
happy user of one :-)

The first one very cheap, the second one a better choice, more
expensive, and works much better.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 20:00, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 31 Dec 2024 15:28:03 GMT
> >> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Davey <davey@example.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 31 Dec 2024 12:10:16 GMT
> >>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> For me/us for example, Bluetooth headphone, small Bluetooth
> >>>> transmitter [1], Fitbit activity trackers ('smartwatches') [2],
> >>>>
> >>>>> [2] Already had to throw away three of those.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thereby confirming that the term 'smart' means no such thing.
> >>>> Again.
> >>>
> >>> To be fair, Fitbit doesn't call them 'smartwatches', that's why I
> >>> used scare quotes, but these devices are also watches - as they tell
> >>> the time, have alarms, etc. - and are somwhat 'smart'. AFAIK, there
> >>> isn't a clear-cut definition as to what is/isn't a
> >>> 'smartwatch' (contrary to what is/isn't a 'smartphone').
> >>
> >> I see 'smartwatches' mainly being used to buy things with, or to
> >> register a loyalty card. Watching somebody with large fingers
> >> 'swiping' a 1-inch diameter screen always makes me laugh.
> >
> > Exactly, that's what you *see*. What you don't see, is their
> > 'invisible' uses, Not 'defending' smartwatches in any way, but only
> > objecting to judging things by what one sees.
>
> Years ago, I said I would never wear a smartwatch. Yet here I am, the
> happy user of one :-)
>
> The first one very cheap, the second one a better choice, more
> expensive, and works much better.

Yes, and yours and mine can also be used for payments, but as long as
we don't use that functionality, Davey won't notice ('see') that we have
'smartwatches'! :-)

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 07:58, Chris wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29 09:25, bad sector wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/24 10:18, Jan K. wrote:
>>>>> W Sun, 29 Dec 2024 09:00:21 -0500, bad sector napisal:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given Apple hates the consumer (but loves their money), this is a good
>>>>>>> thing since Apple has abused its (admittedly loyal) consumers for
>>>>>>> too long.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *EU law mandating universal chargers for devices comes into force*
>>>>>>> <https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20241228-eu-law-mandating-
>>>>>>> universal- chargers-for-devices-comes-into-force>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This Saturday is the day Apple's executives saying they were
>>>>>>> "terrified" of
>>>>>>> interoperating with non-Apple devices begins to (finally) come into
>>>>>>> force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good move but it has a snag; it will only perpetuate the USB inteface
>>>>>> wich (after microcancer $trangleware) is the worst piece of shit the
>>>>>> industry has ever produced.
>>>>>
>>>>> It took a decade, but the EU has finally achieved what no other major
>>>>> union
>>>>> of countries has done: mandating a single universal connector. As the
>>>>> world's largest single consumer market (500 million people), this
>>>>> decision
>>>>> sets a global standard, with the rest of the world following suit.
>>>>> The delay was largely due to intense lobbying from manufacturers,
>>>>> especially Apple, which profited significantly from licensing their
>>>>> proprietary Lightning port.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next up on the EU's list for 2026: Easily Changeable Batteries (you know,
>>>>> what every cell phone 20 years ago had before Apple).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42534851
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, I could draw up a very long list of required legislation, all
>>>> notion of reason, discipline and oversight has left the entire industry.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Tell us all:
>>>
>>> Which industries governed by "long list[s] of required legislation" have
>>> worked out well?
>>
>> Domestic airlines is the clearest example. There are plenty others.
>>
>
> In what world have domestic airlines worked out well for the consumer;
> what country?

I mean, not dying is quite an important benefit for the consumer.
Regulation has created the safest form of transport in the world.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> And my scepticism of the 'smart' nomenclature extends to 'smartphones'.
>> But then, I am a happy Luddite. Just because we can make something,
>> doesn't mean we have to use it. See: Land-based wind turbines. ULEZ
>> zones.
>
> As to the last two (well, mainly the first one of the two), fully
> agreed. Don't get me started! :-(

Do you prefer to see the world burn...?