On 2024-12-30 11:33, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
>>> iOS.
>>
>> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.
>
> WTF?
>
> These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.
>
> *How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB
> cable*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>
>
> The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
> Not mine.
>
> Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
> It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.
>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
>>> holes!)...
>>
>> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
>
> Jesus Christ, Chris.
>
> You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.
>
> With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.
>
> *Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
> *over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
> *(no proprietary software needed)*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>
>
>> Were you lying?
>
> OMG, Chris!
> Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.
>
> Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
> It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.
>
> So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.
>
> Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
> *How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
> *over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>

You're lying or really, really stupid...

....or, most likely of all, both!

On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>
>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>>>
>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> [...]
>>>
>>> Done!
>>
>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>
> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
>
> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> tried that)

MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
so I haven't tried there.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 12/29/2024 10:37 PM, knuttle wrote:

> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Its all automatic here. Why people are desperately trying to do it
manually using USB cables is a mystery to me.

Install iTunes on your PC. Not the fake iTunes in the "Microsoft
Store". The REAL iTunes from Apple. Set it up to automagically
download photos from your iCloud account. I have all my photos on my
iPads/iPhone and Windows 7/10/11 PCs. Added bonus is that the photos
on your PC are permanent. Deleting pics from your iPhone/iPad/iCloud
are NOT removed from your PC. So its an automatic, local, full backup
of your iCloud photos. Could not be easier.

Apple loves me.

Its 2025. These things can and should be automated. But if you want to
live in 2005 - where you plugged your camera into your PC and manually
transferred photos - then knock yourself out.

Carlos E.R. wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 23:17:47 +0100 :

>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
>> tried that)
>
> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
> so I haven't tried there.

iFuse on Linux is what does all the read/write magic of turning the entire
iOS device into, essentially, a dumb USB stick.

I wish iFuse were ported to Windows; but it's not.

Dunno why though. Would love to know why if someone here knows more than I.

David Woolley wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:25:41 +0000 :

>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>
> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones? You will also
> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers,
> industrial control systems, etc.

Just so you know whom you're dealing with, this Alan Baker Apple troll
(who claims to "support" customers and yet has never even once used Windows
or Linux or Android) had insisted for weeks on end that it's physically
impossible to change any of the headers in a Usenet post - specifically he
swore over & over that it's impossible to add a spoofed news client header.

Who is *that* stupid?

He's insisted that simply by owning a BMW he knows everything about it, and
yet, he doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer & a beemer
(which, I might add, originated in the UK racing circles).

Who is *that* stupid?

Speaking of racing circles, this Alan Baker moron claims to be an expert in
racing such that he claims he "teaches" racing - and yet - he has no idea
what curves are called. To him - all curves are exactly the same in all
ways.

His IQ, if it's even 40, would be overstating his ability to think.

There's a reason he's one of fewer than ten people I've plonked in decades
on Usenet. He simply disputes everything he doesn't have any knowledge of.

Which is everything.

Just watch.

Nick Charles wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 17:41:43 -0500 :

> Apple loves me.

The proof that Apple hates you is simply that it costs you lots of money to
maintain that expensive iCloud account (over the free 5GB which is a
pittance) even if you have other ways of slightly increasing the free
allocation.

Why do you think Apple doesn't allow you to insert a ten dollar 256GB card?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple removed the aux jack?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple uses the cheapest batteries in the industry?
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple removed the charger (claiming it's "green" for them
to do so)? Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think only Apple uses non proprietary cabling for its devices.
Apple hates you (but loves your money).

Why do you think Apple forces you to log into their privacy robbing servers
24/7./365 just for the privilege of copying files from one device to
another?

Apple hates you (but loves your money).

With respect to universal chargers, Apple murdered interoperability; but...
the EU is forcing Apple to NOT hate you for the first time in its history.

Note: Same with batteries where Apple is no longer allowed to sell their
iPhones in Europe which fail the minimum charge cycle lifetime limits.

Nobody else failed.
Just Apple.

Why?
Apple hates you.

On 2024-12-30 17:05, Andrew wrote:
> David Woolley wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 19:25:41 +0000 :
>
>>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client
>>> in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>
>> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also
>> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes,
>> routers, industrial control systems, etc.
>
> Just so you know whom you're dealing with, this Alan Baker Apple troll
> (who claims to "support" customers and yet has never even once used Windows
> or Linux or Android)

Why must you lie about me?

> had insisted for weeks on end that it's physically
> impossible to change any of the headers in a Usenet post - specifically he
> swore over & over that it's impossible to add a spoofed news client header.
>
> Who is *that* stupid?
>
> He's insisted that simply by owning a BMW he knows everything about it, and
> yet, he doesn't even know the difference between a bimmer & a beemer
> (which, I might add, originated in the UK racing circles).

I've never insisted anythign of the kind.

>
> Who is *that* stupid?
>
> Speaking of racing circles, this Alan Baker moron claims to be an expert in
> racing such that he claims he "teaches" racing - and yet - he has no idea
> what curves are called. To him - all curves are exactly the same in all
> ways.

1. I claim I teach racing...because I teach racing. Last year I was
chairman of the Race Drivers Committee of the Sports Car Club of BC.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20230422005048/https://www.sccbc.net/about-sccbc/race-drivers/>

"Alan Baker" there? That's me.

'The Race Drivers Committee organizes and operates the SCCBC Race Driver
Training Program. The driver training program is an important part of
preparing to enter the sport of racing at Mission and is a prerequisite
to acquiring a Novice race license. The twice annual Race Driver
Training program provides unparalleled instruction on handling vehicles
under extreme conditions. For more information, visit the Race Drivers
Training Program page.

Membership on the Race Drivers Committee is by invitation only. The
committee is comprised of some of the best racers in British Columbia.
Most committee members have won championships in their class while
others have done consistently well over the years and have proven
themselves capable of excelling in all race conditions.

2. I've never claimed "all curves are exactly the same in all ways."

On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>

Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.

On 2024-12-30 23:04, Bob Martin wrote:
> On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>
>
> Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
>

That's probably true.

Because to be a Linux user, you have to have become more of an expert at
maintaining computers rather than using them.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> > In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>
> >> ...
> >>
> >>>>>
> >>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
> >>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
> >>>
> >>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> > [...]
> >>>
> >>> Done!
> >>
> >> How about Linux? Just curious.
> >
> > https://libimobiledevice.org/
> > which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> > makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
> >
> > (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> > tried that)
>
> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
> so I haven't tried there.

AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
(Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to access
the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On
Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a phone. If Linux
can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also work on Linux.

Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures ('photos'), so
videos are probably not accessible.

BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there would be
no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all this iTunes c.q.
Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a simple USB connection.
would be unneeded.

On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>>>>>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Done!
>>>>
>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>
>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
>>> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.
>>>
>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
>>> tried that)
>>
>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works perfectly in
>> Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an iPhone nor my friends,
>> so I haven't tried there.
>
> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to access
> the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on Android. On
> Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a phone. If Linux
> can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also work on Linux.

AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only PTP.

>
> Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures ('photos'), so
> videos are probably not accessible.
>
> BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there would be
> no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all this iTunes c.q.
> Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a simple USB connection.
> would be unneeded.

Ah.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-12-31 08:05, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-30 23:04, Bob Martin wrote:
>> On 30 Dec 2024 at 16:47:50, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client in
>>> more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>>>
>>
>> Linux users don't need constant hand-holding.
>>
>
> That's probably true.
>
> Because to be a Linux user, you have to have become more of an expert at
> maintaining computers rather than using them.

Not at all. Once we do something, it stays put. From that point, we just
use the machine.

We know more because we have to rely on our selves, not being another
person nearby to help with our problems. We have to read documentation,
solve problems, and ask on internet.

We were not taught on school, either, as Windows things are.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :

< your snip of relevant information here is noted >

>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>
>> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.
>
> WTF?
>
> These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.
>
> *How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>
>
> The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
> Not mine.
>
> Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
> It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.

Your baseless assertions are not what "everyone knows".

>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...
>>
>> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
>
> Jesus Christ, Chris.
>
> You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
> It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.
>
> With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.
>
> *Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
> *over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
> *(no proprietary software needed)*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>

Thanks for confirming what is possible despite claiming it is impossible.

>> Were you lying?
>
> OMG, Chris!
> Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.
>
> Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
> It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.
>
> So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.
>
> Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
> *How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
> *over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>
>

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> >>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>>>
> >>>> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. 
> >>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
> >>>>>> Windows 10 PC
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> >>> [...]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Done!
> >>>>
> >>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> >>>
> >>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> >>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
> >>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
> >>> accessed from anywhere.
> >>>
> >>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
> >>> - I've not tried that)
> >>
> >> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
> >> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
> >> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
> >
> > AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> > (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
> > access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
> > Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
> > phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
> > work on Linux.
>
> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
> PTP.

That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).

If your Linux system can then access the photos in DCIM\Camera of the
phone, it's likely that it can also can access an iPhone as a camera.

> > Note however that the PTP protocol is only for pictures
> > ('photos'), so videos are probably not accessible.
> >
> > BTW, AFAIK, iOS does not support/offer MTP. If it did, there
> > would be no problem to connect an iPhone/iPad to Windows and all
> > this iTunes c.q. Apple Devices app hoopla would be unneeded for a
> > simple USB connection. would be unneeded.
>
> Ah.

On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>
>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>
>>> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>> work on Linux.
>>
>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>> PTP.
>
> That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).

Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
never do.

....

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
> >>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
> >>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
> >>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
> >>>>> [...]
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Done!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> >>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
> >>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
> >>>>> accessed from anywhere.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
> >>>>> - I've not tried that)
> >>>>
> >>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
> >>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
> >>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
> >>>
> >>> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
> >>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
> >>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
> >>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
> >>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
> >>> work on Linux.
> >>
> >> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
> >> PTP.
> >
> > That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
> > PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
> > the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
> > mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>
> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
> never do.

Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
*test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
well.

On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>> PTP.
>>>
>>> That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>
>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>> never do.
>
> Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
> From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
> well.

I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.

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"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:

> On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>>
>>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>>> PTP.
>>>>
>>>> That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>>
>>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>>> never do.
>>
>> Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
>> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
>> From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
>> well.
>
> I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
>

FWIW if I connect my iPhone (8) to Linux (SuSE) it mounts DCIM
as a gvfs filesystem under gvfsd-fuse. In thunar it appears as a
gphoto2: URL. So I see images and videos taken by the camera.
Unlike with Android, that's all I can access.
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On 2024-12-31 23:25, Dave Royal wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> Wrote in message:
>> On 2024-12-31 22:15, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-31 16:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-31 12:42, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 16:56, Theo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In comp.mobile.android Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Especially how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 PC
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Import to your Windows PC
>>>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Done!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>>>>>>>>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc),
>>>>>>>>> or ifuse makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be
>>>>>>>>> accessed from anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver
>>>>>>>>> - I've not tried that)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) as present in Android, works
>>>>>>>> perfectly in Linux, on several file browsers. I don't have an
>>>>>>>> iPhone nor my friends, so I haven't tried there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> AFAIK, the easiest method with iPhone/iPad devices is to use PTP
>>>>>>> (Picture Transfer Protocol), not MTP (Media Transfer Protocol) to
>>>>>>> access the photo storage of the device, i.e. what is DCIM\Camera on
>>>>>>> Android. On Windows, that will show the device as a camera, not a
>>>>>>> phone. If Linux can - automatically - use PTP, then that should also
>>>>>>> work on Linux.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AFAIK, Linux uses PTP if the phone (Android) decides to activate only
>>>>>> PTP.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means that you *could* test if an iPhone is likely to work in
>>>>> PTP mode: Just connect your Android phone to your Linux system and in
>>>>> the 'USB settings' of the phone select 'Transferring images' (is PTP
>>>>> mode) instead of 'Transferring files / Auto Auto' (is MTP mode).
>>>>
>>>> Oh, yes, my Android phone certainly works in this mode, but I almost
>>>> never do.
>>>
>>> Of course you don't use it in that mode, I don't either. It's just a
>>> *test* to determine if an *iPhone* is likely to work in the same way.
>>> From your positive test result, it's likely that an iPhone will work as
>>> well.
>>
>> I just by chance tried it minutes ago, and of course it worked.
>>
>
> FWIW if I connect my iPhone (8) to Linux (SuSE) it mounts DCIM
> as a gvfs filesystem under gvfsd-fuse. In thunar it appears as a
> gphoto2: URL. So I see images and videos taken by the camera.
> Unlike with Android, that's all I can access.

Ah. Thanks, that's the information that was missing.

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Cheers, Carlos.