On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 11:24:25 +0000, Abandoned Trolley
<that.bloke@microsoft.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> “By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.”
>>
>
>I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>no charger was included

I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
sockets.

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:

>>>
>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>>
>>
>>I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>no charger was included
>
> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
> sockets.

After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.

https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

On 2024-12-29 16:31, Nick Cine wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>> no charger was included
>>
>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>> sockets.
>
> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

«Apple has gradually added USB-C ports to its other hardware over the
past few years. It was the first to put USB-C on a laptop in 2015. Then
iPads started the transition from Lightning to USB-C. You can say the
iPhone was inevitably going to be next in line, but Apple has been
collecting licensing fees from third parties that make accessories
utilizing the Lightning port through the company's Made for iPhone (MFi)
program. Why lose out on all that cash? Apple's hand was forced by the
European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
end of 2024.»

Interoperability :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :

> Apple's hand was forced by the
> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
> end of 2024.

Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

On 2024-12-29 09:46, Andrew wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
>
>> Apple's hand was forced by the European Union, which passed a law in
>> 2022 requiring phones, tablets, and cameras sold in the region to come
>> equipped with a USB-C port by the end of 2024.
>
> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

Cite, please!

And Apple was the first to add USB-C to its laptops and started using it
on iPads in 2018. (And yes, if anyone thinks I'm making that up, I will
provide the citations).

On 2024-12-29 07:31, Nick Cine wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new charger, it
>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has argued.�
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>> no charger was included
>>
>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>> sockets.
>
> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was finally
> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their bondage.
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/

Oh, get over yourself.

On 2024-12-29 07:50, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 16:31, Nick Cine wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 12:24:33 +0000, Peter Johnson wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> �By allowing consumers to purchase a new device without a new
>>>>> charger, it
>>>>> will also reduce the mountain of obsolete chargers, the bloc has
>>>>> argued.�
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have just bought a Samsung phone, which came in a slim box - because
>>>> no charger was included
>>>
>>> I recently bought an LED work light that was supplied without a
>>> charger but with a short USB A - USB C lead, and which was equipped
>>> with ports for both, giving maximum flexibility. It also claims to be
>>> capable of charging connected devices but I haven't tried that.
>>> I also have installed several 13a sockets with built-in USB A charging
>>> sockets.
>>
>> After 11 years of imprisonment inside the walled garden, Apple was
>> finally
>> forced to bow to human decency by releasing its slaves from their
>> bondage.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/apple-iphone-15-usb-c/
>
> «Apple has gradually added USB-C ports to its other hardware over the
> past few years. It was the first to put USB-C on a laptop in 2015. Then
> iPads started the transition from Lightning to USB-C. You can say the
> iPhone was inevitably going to be next in line, but Apple has been
> collecting licensing fees from third parties that make accessories
> utilizing the Lightning port through the company's Made for iPhone (MFi)
> program. Why lose out on all that cash? Apple's hand was forced by the
> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
> end of 2024.»
>
> Interoperability :-)
Spare me.

The MFi program isn't even a rounding error in Apple's revenues.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
>
>> Apple's hand was forced by the
>> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
>> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
>> end of 2024.
>
> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.

And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
pretty useless if they didn't.

On 2024-12-29 10:27, Chris wrote:
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 16:50:43 +0100 :
>>
>>> Apple's hand was forced by the
>>> European Union, which passed a law in 2022 requiring phones, tablets,
>>> and cameras sold in the region to come equipped with a USB-C port by the
>>> end of 2024.
>>
>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>
> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
> pretty useless if they didn't.

When has Arlen ever been honest about this fact?

:-)

Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>
> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
> pretty useless if they didn't.

Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.

1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
(In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.

Apple murdered interoperability.

FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.

Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...

But...

You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to do it
(even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).

But wait... there's more...

That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.

Fancy that.
A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE IDs!

The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.

FACT:
a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
(without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)

Apple murdered interoperability.

Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.

On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
>>> intention
>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>
>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>
> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>
> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>   (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.

False.

>
> Apple murdered interoperability.
>
>
> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.

False.

Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.

>
> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...

False.

> But...
> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to do it
> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
> But wait... there's more...
> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.

Nope. False.

>
> Fancy that.
> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE IDs!

Completely false.

>
> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>
> FACT:
> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>   (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>
> Apple murdered interoperability.
>
> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.

On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>
>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
>>>> intention
>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>
>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>
>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>
>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>
> False.
>
>>
>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>
>>
>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>
> False.
>
> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>
>>
>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
>> additional
>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
>> holes!)...
>
> False.
>
>> But...
>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
>> do it
>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>> But wait... there's more...
>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>
> Nope. False.
>
>>
>> Fancy that.
>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE
>> IDs!
>
> Completely false.
>
>>
>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> FACT:
>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>
>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>
>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>
>
>
Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
>>>>> intention
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
>>> iOS.
>>>
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>
>> False.
>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> False.
>>
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>>
>>>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
>>> holes!)...
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> But...
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
>>> do it
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>
>> Nope. False.
>>
>>>
>>> Fancy that.
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT
>>> APPLE IDs!
>>
>> Completely false.
>>
>>>
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>
>>
>>
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

'Import to your Windows PC

You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your
computer and using the Apple Devices app:

Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust
This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>

Done!

knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :

> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Hi Keith,

You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.

Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.

This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.

And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
How is that?

He just makes it all up as he *hates* iOS doesn't interoperate with any
operating system, least of all Android or Windows (somewhat with Linux).

The fact is that there is no interoperability between Windows & iOS.
a. Copy any movie from any number of PCs to any number of Androids;
b. It just works.

Try that with any number of iOS devices & any number of Windows PCs:
It just does NOT work.

1. You have to add bloatware (e.g., something akin to iTunes)
2. You have to match the Apple ID and login credentials
3. Then, and only then, can you do it with *one* device & *one* PC

You have to do that with every device and every PC.
Wipe out the Apple ID. Add the next one. Wipe that out. Add another.

I have more Apple devices than most people do but even I don't claim to be
able to do the impossible (which Alan Baker always claims only he can do).

HINT: It's actually *easier* to copy movies to iOS from Linux though.
That's because Linux implements iFuse which circumvents the walled garden.

<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous Linux, win & iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> idiot iOS hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is not useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

On 2024-12-29 20:50, Andrew wrote:
> knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
>
>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> You're responding to "Alan Baker" who is almost universally plonked by
> everyone simply because his responses are merely "nope" to everything.
>
> Even I've plonked him (along with Snit & Jeorg Lorenz), where in decades on
> Usenet, my killfile still doesn't contain more than about ten posters.
>
> This Alan Baker troll constantly claims that he, and only he, out of the
> billions of people in the world, can do the impossible with iOS & Windows.
>
> And yet, he admits to never having used a Windows PC in his entire life.
> How is that?

I've never said that.

In fact, I support Windows PCs and their users every day, and I have a
Lenovo laptop which I access using Microsoft Remote Desktop so I can
take advantage of my Macs far superior display and mouse tracking.

On 2024-12-30 03:37:36 +0000, knuttle said:

> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
>>>>>
>>>>> intention
>>>>>
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>>
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>>
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>>
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>>
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>>
>>
>>
>> False.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>
>>
>> False.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
>>>
>>> additional
>>>
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>>
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
>>>
>>> holes!)...
>>>
>>
>>
>> False.
>>
>>
>>
>>> But...
>>>
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
>>>
>>> do it
>>>
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>>
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>>
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Nope. False.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fancy that.
>>>
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT APPLE
>>>
>>> IDs!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Completely false.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>>
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>>
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>>
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC. Especially how do
>
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>

Another idiot troll for the killfile. :-\

knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :

> how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Hi Keith,

Images are actually easy to copy in *that* direction (from iOS to PC).
But Apple doesn't give the user any say in the file names.
So they're all idiotic sophomoric numberical meaningless names for each.

But try to move anything other than images from iOS to Windows and
everything becomes harder - and then - try to go the other way
(i.e., from Windows to iOS) and then try it on another iOS device.
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way

Note Apple's coding team sucks so badly they can't even figure out how to
allow the user to name the image files in a way that makes any sense.

It's yet another instance of where Apple hates you.
Apple doesn't think you should have any control over the image file name!

But try to copy something other than an image file and nothing works.
Apple murdered interoperability.

For each of those steps, Apple blocks interoperability in a different way,
e.g., you need to know the Apple ID (aka Apple Account) for every iOS
device and you need to know the password and you need to wipe it out and
then do it again with the *next* device, etc., and even then, you can only
import/export where Apple allows you to (which is almost nowhere, e.g., you
can't import/export IPA files and then install them on a *different* iOS
device (even free IPAs) - whereas with Android - all this just works.

To show you how fantastic Windows is with APKs from Android, all I have to
do is *slide* the APK from Windows to the Android display to install them.
<https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows

Yup. You just *slide* the APK from Windows to the image of Android.
And it automatically installs that app.

You can slide a hundred APKs to one Android from one PC & they install.
You can slide another hundred to another set of Androids, & they install.

It just works.
You can even mount your entire Android phone as a Windows drive letter.
<https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: <===> Android

That's interoperability!
--
Ask that Apple troll Alan Baker how he installs any IPA from any Windows PC
over to any number of Apple devices - only he can do that impossible task.

On 2024-12-29 21:06, Andrew wrote:
> knuttle wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 22:37:36 -0500 :
>
>> how do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>
> Hi Keith,
>
> Images are actually easy to copy in *that* direction (from iOS to PC).
> But Apple doesn't give the user any say in the file names.
> So they're all idiotic sophomoric numberical meaningless names for each.

They're numbered sequentially and have LOTS of metadata...

>
> But try to move anything other than images from iOS to Windows and
> everything becomes harder - and then - try to go the other way (i.e.,
> from Windows to iOS) and then try it on another iOS device.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way
> Note Apple's coding team sucks so badly they can't even figure out how to
> allow the user to name the image files in a way that makes any sense.
> > It's yet another instance of where Apple hates you.
> Apple doesn't think you should have any control over the image file name!

The images are named sequentially, but can be renamed once their on your
PC. They also have metadata associated with them such as the time and
place they were taken and the exposure, etc.

>
> But try to copy something other than an image file and nothing works.
> Apple murdered interoperability.

<https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/devices-windows/mchl4bd77d3a/windows>

>
> For each of those steps, Apple blocks interoperability in a different way,
> e.g., you need to know the Apple ID (aka Apple Account) for every iOS
> device and you need to know the password and you need to wipe it out and

Utterly false.

> then do it again with the *next* device, etc., and even then, you can only
> import/export where Apple allows you to (which is almost nowhere, e.g., you
> can't import/export IPA files and then install them on a *different* iOS
> device (even free IPAs) - whereas with Android - all this just works.

And then the rest of this is just off-topic ranting.

>
> To show you how fantastic Windows is with APKs from Android, all I have to
> do is *slide* the APK from Windows to the Android display to install them.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/wvsbcNBz/scrcpy05.jpg> Drag APK from Windows
>
> Yup. You just *slide* the APK from Windows to the image of Android.
> And it automatically installs that app.
>
> You can slide a hundred APKs to one Android from one PC & they install.
> You can slide another hundred to another set of Androids, & they install.
>
> It just works.
> You can even mount your entire Android phone as a Windows drive letter.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/9FJMKYch/scrcpy21.jpg> Windows Drive: <===> Android
>
> That's interoperability!

On 30/12/2024 04:37, knuttle wrote:
> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>>>
>>>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any
>>>>> intention
>>>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>>>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about
>>> iOS.
>>>
>>> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
>>>    (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
>>> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
>>> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>>
>> False.
>>
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>>
>>> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>>
>> False.
>>
>> Not interoperating the way YOU want them to is not the same thing.
>>
>>>
>>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding
>>> additional
>>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day
>>> holes!)...
>>
>> False.
>>
>>> But...
>>> You have to create an Apple ID on every single Windows PC in order to
>>> do it
>>> (even with the iTunes bloatware abomination).
>>> But wait... there's more...
>>> That Apple ID has to *match* that of each iOS device.
>>
>> Nope. False.
>>
>>>
>>> Fancy that.
>>> A. You take five Android devices - they all interoperate with Windows.
>>> B. You take five iOS devices - you need to create FIVE DIFFERENT
>>> APPLE IDs!
>>
>> Completely false.
>>
>>>
>>> The fact is clear that Apple devices do not interoperate with Windows.
>>>
>>> FACT:
>>> a. Android devices easily copy movies to any Windows device, while
>>> b. Apple devices can't copy anything to any Windows device
>>>    (without adding matching Apple Id's & without adding bloatware)
>>>
>>> Apple murdered interoperability.
>>>
>>> Anyone who claims otherwise knows absolutely nothing about iOS.
>>
>>
>>
> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how do
> you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC

Well I use the same way on both my Android Phone and my Wifes iPhone.
Installed Microsoft OneDrive and it copies all photos to our one drives,
one drive on the PC copies them back. They then get backup up to a NAS
box by a scheduled task on the PC that runs every Sunday at 7.00.

They are always there I never miss a photo. Despite all the slagging off
of the cloud, its a lot more reliable than my 70 year old brain...

Dave

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :
>
>>> Apple called USB-C "terrifying" because Apple has never had any intention
>>> of any device in the walled garden interoperating with anything else.
>>
>> And yet they interoperate with all other computers just fine. They'd be
>> pretty useless if they didn't.
>
> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.

You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.

> 1. Plug an Android & iOS device into two USB ports on any Windows PC;
> (In fact, plug any number of them into any number of Windows PCs!)
> 2. Copy a few movies from each Windows PC to each of those devices;
> 3. Oh wait. You can't. Not with the Apple devices you can't.
>
> Apple murdered interoperability.
>
>
> FACT: The iOS device does NOT interoperate with Windows.
>
> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...

And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?
Were you lying?

[ snip untruths ]

On 2024-12-30 04:40, Alan wrote:
> On 2024-12-29 19:37, knuttle wrote:
>> On 12/29/2024 9:45 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-29 18:42, Andrew wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote on Sun, 29 Dec 2024 18:27:04 -0000 (UTC) :

....

>>>
>> Please explain how to get an apple to work with a PC.  Especially how
>> do you get pictures from you Apple phone to your Windows 10 PC
>
> 'Import to your Windows PC
>
> You can import photos to your PC by connecting your device to your
> computer and using the Apple Devices app:
>
> Install the Apple Devices app from the Microsoft Store.
> Connect your iPhone or iPad to your PC with a USB cable.
> If asked, unlock your iOS or iPadOS device using your passcode.
> If you see a prompt on your iOS or iPadOS device asking you to Trust
> This Computer, tap Trust or Allow to continue.'
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/120267>
>
> Done!

How about Linux? Just curious.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Theo wrote on 30 Dec 2024 15:56:51 +0000 (GMT) :

>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>
> https://libimobiledevice.org/
> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from anywhere.

1. Copying photos from iOS to Windows is easy
2. Going the other way is not

Apple murdered interoperability.

While it's trivial to copy an iOS DCIM image or video from the iOS device,
one way only, to the Windows device, where Linux excels is two way file
transfer of not only photos, but almost anything on the iOS device.

You have to know a few tricks though - but once you know them - it works.
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Simultaneous Linux, win & iOS
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> It's easy if you know how
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> idiot iOS hacks just to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS only DCIM & only 1-way
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is just a dumb brick
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu uses iFuse for magic
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is not useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only

> (it's possible native MTP works for photo access without a driver - I've not
> tried that)

A driver is automatically installed on Windows when you plug in an iOS
device over USB - but without adding bloatware, you can't copy TO the iOS
device.

Worse, the bloatware requires the Apple ID of every device you wish to
connect to - and each and ever iOS users' password too.

Fancy that.
Nothing works in the walled garden when it comes to the real world.

By way of contrast, you can connect any Android device to any Windows PC to
then copy bidirectionally to almost anywhere on that Android device.

On 2024-12-30 11:11, Andrew wrote:
> Theo wrote on 30 Dec 2024 15:56:51 +0000 (GMT) :
>
>>> How about Linux? Just curious.
>>
>> https://libimobiledevice.org/
>> which is used by various file managers (Dolphin, Nautilus, etc), or ifuse
>> makes it available as a FUSE filesystem that can be accessed from
>> anywhere.
>
> 1. Copying photos from iOS to Windows is easy
> 2. Going the other way is not

False.

You not knowing how to do something doesn't make it difficult.

Chris wrote on Mon, 30 Dec 2024 15:20:48 -0000 (UTC) :

>> Anyone who claims iOS interoperates with Windows knows nothing about iOS.
>
> You made a blanket statement about Apple devices. Not iOS.

WTF?

These are all mobile device groups - so it's presumed you understand that.

*How to read/write access iOS file systems on Ubuntu/Windows over USB cable*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/z_KXY4IHLe0>

The fact you don't realize these are mobile phone groups is your problem.
Not mine.

Stop disputing everything simply because you are ignorant Chris.
It's annoying to have to defend what everyone already knows - except you.

>> Not only is that task impossible to do on Windows without adding additional
>> bloatware (e.g., the iTunes abomination which Apple clearly has never
>> tested for bugs - which is why iTunes is always full of zero-day holes!)...
>
> And yet you claim to be able to access the whole iOS operating system...?

Jesus Christ, Chris.

You dispute everything simply because you're stupid, Chris.
It's not my fault you're stupid. You can fix that. Read the links provided.

With iFuse, you can access even the internal system files of iOS, Chris.

*Simultaneously slide Windows Linux iOS Android files back and forth*
*over USB at 7GB per minute speeds using 100% native devices*
*(no proprietary software needed)*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/WqIDiVbawRs/>

> Were you lying?

OMG, Chris!
Stop accusing me of "lying" simply because you're stupid, Chris.

Your utter ignorance of everything doesn't constitute me lying, Chris.
It just means you're incredibly stupid. And I'm not.

So we can't converse, mano a mano, until you triple your low IQ first.

Read this before responding please - do not respond until you read it!
*How to copy files both ways anywhere you want to/from iPhone/iPad*
*over USB between Windows & iOS using Linux*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.os.linux/c/Nxyt6qmE7YA/>

On 2024-12-30 11:25, David Woolley wrote:
> On 30/12/2024 16:47, Alan wrote:
>> I do computer support for a living and I've had precisely one client
>> in more than 25 years of doing this who had a Linux system.
>
> So you don't serve companies that use Android phones?  You will also
> find Linux embedded in many devices, such as TV set top boxes, routers,
> industrial control systems, etc.

I don't consider a device with an OS that one never interacts with
directly to have an OS that I support.