Chris wrote:

> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> hard to believe.

<https://www.takealot.com/hisense-u965-2020-8gb-dual-sim-amber/PLID70723788>

<https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-vibe-dual-sim-8gb-vodacom-network-locked-blue/PLID93330140>

<https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-v1-8-1gb-single-sim-blue/PLID92894196>

I guess warehouses shift their new-old-stock to Africa?

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
[...]

> My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
> SD card.
>
> It keeps telling me that it's getting full.
>
> I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
> the price.

I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!

So you're comparing apples with oranges.
Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
you pay more to get more, not less.

See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:

<https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>

Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
what we're talking about.

[...]

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
[...]
> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
>
> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> hard to believe.

The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
replied to Steve about that mixup.

OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
:-)

[...]

On 2024-12-04 03:22, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 13:20:41 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve Hayes wrote:
>>
>>> I'll end up paying [more] for less.
>>> I would have 2 reasons to upgrade:
>>>
>>> 1. To have a bigger/better camera (this one has 5Mp)
>>> 2. To have more storage
>>
>> I realise you live in a different part of the world, but are they really
>> selling phones with 16GB or less of storage there? I'd say most phones
>> here are 128GB or 256GB, do you use an SD card?
>
> My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
> SD card.
>
> It keeps telling me that it's getting full.
>
> I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
> the price.

Ridiculous. There is something strange here. Ah, it will be RAM, as
Frank says.

Please say exactly what model you are being offered.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe.
>
> <https://www.takealot.com/hisense-u965-2020-8gb-dual-sim-amber/PLID70723788>
>
> <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-vibe-dual-sim-8gb-vodacom-network-locked-blue/PLID93330140>
>
> <https://www.takealot.com/mobicel-v1-8-1gb-single-sim-blue/PLID92894196>
>
> I guess warehouses shift their new-old-stock to Africa?

How do you know OP is in Africa? I also don't get why they're saying that
the current 8GB models are more expensive than their current 16GB one was.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> [...]
>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe.
>
> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
> replied to Steve about that mixup.

That's what I suspect too, but Alan has found examples that do exist for
same.

> OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
> with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
> :-)

Well yeah, but we're in 2024 now.

Chris wrote:

> How do you know OP is in Africa?

He's an irregular poster here ...

email addr @telkomsa.net

and contents of .sig

Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.khanya.org.za/

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
>> How do you know OP is in Africa?
>
> He's an irregular poster here ...
>
> email addr @telkomsa.net
>
> and contents of .sig
>
> Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
> http://www.khanya.org.za/

Ah, I missed the obvious. Clearly I never parse ppls sigs. lol

On 4 Dec 2024 11:27:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
>> SD card.
>>
>> It keeps telling me that it's getting full.
>>
>> I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
>> the price.
>
> I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
>Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!
>
> So you're comparing apples with oranges.
>
> Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
>you pay more to get more, not less.

Thank you. That is the kind of information I was looking for. The
information in the catalogue is very sketchy.

> See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:
>
><https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>
> Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
>what we're talking about.

This one is just double the price of my present phone:

<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 2024-12-05 02:24, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:27:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
>>> SD card.
>>>
>>> It keeps telling me that it's getting full.
>>>
>>> I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
>>> the price.
>>
>> I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
>> Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!
>>
>> So you're comparing apples with oranges.
>>
>> Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
>> you pay more to get more, not less.
>
> Thank you. That is the kind of information I was looking for. The
> information in the catalogue is very sketchy.
>
>> See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:
>>
>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>>
>> Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
>> what we're talking about.
>
> This one is just double the price of my present phone:
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

Storage can be 64 or 128 or 256 GB, depending on the model.

RAM can be 3 or 4.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>[...]
>> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>
>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>> hard to believe.
>
> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>replied to Steve about that mixup.

The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
clarifications.

They refer to RAM and ROM.

I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
therefore could not be subsequently written to.

>
> OTOH, my first phone (Android 4.1.1) *did* have 4GB Internal Storage,
>with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!
>:-)
>
>[...]

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Wed, 4 Dec 2024 05:51:23 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> Boris wrote:
>>
>>> Here's an unlocked Samsung A25-5G phone, 128 GB, dual nano-SIM, or single
>>> nano-SIM with micro-SD. Very nice camera. $250 U.S.
>>
>> That's about 3x what I can afford.
>It's not good that you have a choice of one phone with 128GB for under
>R1500, I suppose it's better than a choice of zero ...
>
><https://www.bobshop.co.za/brand-new-mobicel-x9-4gb-128gb-50mp-camera-r1460/p/631201657>
>
>You could get 64GB for about R1000, but I see the weasel words "4GB RAM
>extended" which I think means 2GB of real memory plus 2GB of fake memory?

The one I mentioned before here:

<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
that means.

It's R1900, which is about £82.37 or $US104.60

>
><https://www.takealot.com/hisense-e34-64gb-lte-dual-sim-black/PLID95955510>
>
>I don't claim to know the equivalent spending power of R vs $ vs £, but
>it seems the real choice begins at R2000

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

Carlos E.R. wrote on Thu, 5 Dec 2024 02:26:57 +0100 :

>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>
>
> Storage can be 64 or 128 or 256 GB, depending on the model.
>
> RAM can be 3 or 4.

For the OP, I only have cheap phones ('cuz I get them for free, that's
why), but even so, nowadays, as others said, 64GB of internal storage is
pretty normal stuff as is an sdslot so that you can add much more.

Dunno what an sd card costs in South Africa but here, in the states, you
can get a 128GB sd card off of Amazon for a bit over ten bucks or so.

That's exactly what's in my phone, a Samsung Galaxy A32-5G:
1. 64 GB of internal storage
2. 128 GB of portable storage (I used to only have 64GB for years)

That works fine for me, and I consider myself pretty typical when it comes
to storage needs - but let me look up how much RAM is on my phone for you.

Settings > Battery & device care > Memory
3) 4GB memory (1.2 GB Available)

What I love about being kind hearted enough to help people, I learn stuff
accidentally. I apparently have a setting for "RAM Plus" whatever that is.
<https://www.simplymac.com/android/what-is-samsung-ram-plus-is-it-worth-it>
"Samsung RAM Plus is a feature found in certain Samsung smartphones
that creates virtual RAM by using a portion of the device's internal
storage to provide extra temporary memory when the actual RAM is
running low."

I didn't even realize this existed until I looked for the OP, where my "RAM
Plus" has the option of "2GB" or "4GB" and mine is already set to 4GB.
4) 4GB RAM Plus

I'm not sure how to interpret that reality, but if I guess based only on
knowing that it exists, I guess I have 4GB of RAM but if the phone thinks
it needs 8GB of RAM, it will take the latter out of my internal storage.

Who knew?
Not me.

Anyway, for the OP, I consider that low-end phone perfectly fine for my
needs. What does it cost now? Dunno. It was probably less than two hundred
bucks when it was brand new three years ago.

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:27:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> My current phone has 16GB storage, according to the specs, and a 16GB
>>> SD card.
>>>
>>> It keeps telling me that it's getting full.
>>>
>>> I'm offered an "upgrade" of a phone with 4GB of storage for 2.5 times
>>> the price.
>>
>> I'm sure the 4GB is *RAM*, i.e. main memory (volatile 'storage') not
>> Internal Storage (permanent, non-volatile storage)!
>>
>> So you're comparing apples with oranges.
>>
>> Your current phone has 1GB RAM, so the upgrade has *4 times* that. So
>> you pay more to get more, not less.
>
> Thank you. That is the kind of information I was looking for. The
> information in the catalogue is very sketchy.
>
>> See the "Memory and storage" section of your reference:
>>
>> <https://www.phonemore.com/specs/samsung/galaxy-a2-core/sm-a260f/>
>>
>> Anyway, post a link to the specs and price of the "upgrade" so we know
>> what we're talking about.
>
> This one is just double the price of my present phone:
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>

If you look closely it says it's available with 64/128/256 GB of storage.
At a minimum it has 4x the storage of your current phone.

Unfortunately, it looks like inflation has made things much more expensive
in SA.

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> my first phone (Android 4.1.1) did have 4GB Internal Storage,
> with a whopping 1GB (if that) being 'free' for additional apps, etc.!

Mine had 0.5GB ram and 0.5GB flash, I bought a 2GB sdcard and used
custom kernels to move partitions around ...

<https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE?t=184>

Steve Hayes wrote:

> The one I mentioned before here:
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>
>
> is said in the ad to have 8Gb, being 4Gb + 4Gb "dynamic" RAM, whatever
> that means.
It's some kind of virtual memory trickery, not sure if it uses
compression or just pages stuff between ram and flash?

On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>
>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>> hard to believe.
>>
>> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>
> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
> clarifications.
>
> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>
> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
> therefore could not be subsequently written to.

I doubt the adds mention ROM.

The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.

It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

Memory Card slot microSDXC (dedicated slot)
Internal 64GB 3GB RAM, 64GB 4GB RAM, 128GB 4GB RAM, 256GB 4GB RAM
еMMC 5.1

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> >[...]
> >> > The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
> >> > the 16GB in the phone I have.
> >>
> >> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
> >> hard to believe.
> >
> > The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
> >replied to Steve about that mixup.
>
> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
> clarifications.
>
> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>
> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
> therefore could not be subsequently written to.

In this case, ROM is a dumb and incorrect term. It isn't Read-Only
Memory, because it's Internal Storage, so - besides the operating system
and factory-installed apps - is stores additional apps and data. (BTW,
also part which stores the operating system and factory-installed apps
can be written/re-written, so also that part is not 'ROM'.)

Some people/sources call it flash-memory, but I think that's a bad
term as well, because it describes the technology, instead of what it
does/is.

Your new reference (<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php>)
says "storage" and "Internal". Those are the normally used terms, i.e.
"Storage" and "Internal Storage".

[...]

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 06:05:06 -0000 (UTC), Andrew <andys@nospam.com>
wrote:

>What I love about being kind hearted enough to help people, I learn stuff
>accidentally. I apparently have a setting for "RAM Plus" whatever that is.
> <https://www.simplymac.com/android/what-is-samsung-ram-plus-is-it-worth-it>
> "Samsung RAM Plus is a feature found in certain Samsung smartphones
> that creates virtual RAM by using a portion of the device's internal
> storage to provide extra temporary memory when the actual RAM is
> running low."
>
>I didn't even realize this existed until I looked for the OP, where my "RAM
>Plus" has the option of "2GB" or "4GB" and mine is already set to 4GB.
> 4) 4GB RAM Plus

Thanks for your help, and I didn't know that either.

--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>
>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>> hard to believe.
>>>
>>> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>
>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>> clarifications.
>>
>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>
>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>
>I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>
>The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>
>It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.

If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
But it said ROM.

For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>
>>>> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>
>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>> clarifications.
>>>
>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>
>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>
>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>
>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>
>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>
> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
> But it said ROM.

I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
<https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
happen.

>
> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

Link, please.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>
>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>> clarifications.
>>>>
>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>
>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>
>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>
>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>
>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>>
>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>> But it said ROM.
>
>I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
><https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
>happen.
>
>>
>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>
>Link, please.

Can't be arsed.

I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
able to read it anyway because of the poor definition.

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On 2024-12-07 04:59, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:08:44 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-12-06 13:44, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 11:57:47 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-12-05 02:38, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>>> On 4 Dec 2024 11:33:21 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>>>> The ones that I can afford offer 4-6 GB of storage, which is less than
>>>>>>>> the 16GB in the phone I have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you post a link? 4-6 GB isn't enough to install Android so I find that
>>>>>>> hard to believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 4-6GB is clearly *RAM*, not (permanent) Internal Storage. I've
>>>>>> replied to Steve about that mixup.
>>>>>
>>>>> The terminology in the ads is not very clear, thank you for your
>>>>> clarifications.
>>>>>
>>>>> They refer to RAM and ROM.
>>>>>
>>>>> I assumed that the ROM contained the operating system and apps that
>>>>> were factory-installed, and that it would not be available for apps
>>>>> that are downloaded and installed later, since it is "read-only" and
>>>>> therefore could not be subsequently written to.
>>>>
>>>> I doubt the adds mention ROM.
>>>>
>>>> The link you posted <hayesstw@yahoo.com> does not mention ROM, for instance.
>>>>
>>>> It is RAM and Flash. Your advert doesn't even say flash, but it is flash.
>>>
>>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>>> But it said ROM.
>>
>> I searched for the word "ROM" in the entire page
>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/realme_note_50-12799.php> and it just does not
>> happen.
>>
>>>
>>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>>
>> Link, please.
>
> Can't be arsed.
>
> I'd have to take a photo of the paper catalogue, find somewhere to put
> it online, and then send you the link, and you probably wouldn't be
> able to read it anyway because of the poor definition.

Ok.

Well, it is very curious. Samsung own page doesn't say how much rom the
Samsung A05s has, but it says it has 64 GB of storage, and that is the
flash memory.

<https://www.samsung.com/es/smartphones/galaxy-a/galaxy-a05s-silver-128gb-sm-a057gzsveub/>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:

[...]
> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
> But it said ROM.
>
> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM

Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
used to store apps and other data permanently.

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Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 14:44:42 +0100, Arno Welzel <usenet@arnowelzel.de>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes, 2024-12-06 13:44:
>
>[...]
>> If the ad had said flash, I would have found it easier to understand.
>> But it said ROM.
>>
>> For example, it says the the Samsung A05s has 4GB RAM 64GB ROM
>
>Because "ROM" is often used as substitute for "flash memory". People
>don't care if this is technically correct, they just need to understand
>the difference between RAM used for running apps and any other memory
>used to store apps and other data permanently.

But it can lead to misunderstandings -- it certainly did in my case.

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