Google Pixel 8a, Android 14

In the settings for the default Phone app, I clicked "Call Screen ".
That took me to a screen headed "Call Screen", as expected, but about
the top third of the screen is now taken up by a white window with an
orange bar containing the text "downloading en-US". The setting for
"Automatically screen calls" is grayed out, as are its sub-settings
"Maximum protection", "Medium protection", and "Basic protection".

It's been like that for an hour so far.

I assume it's downloading some sort of language pack, but should that
be taking so long? If not, any suggestions for troubleshooting?

(I did try googling, but the search terms I could think of didn't
lead anywhere useful.)

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:

> Google Pixel 8a, Android 14

Not 15?

> In the settings for the default Phone app, I clicked "Call Screen ".
> That took me to a screen headed "Call Screen", as expected, but about
> the top third of the screen is now taken up by a white window with an
> orange bar containing the text "downloading en-US". The setting for
> "Automatically screen calls" is grayed out, as are its sub-settings
> "Maximum protection", "Medium protection", and "Basic protection".
>
> It's been like that for an hour so far.

I don't remember a huge download to enable screening, maybe I already
had the language stuff? I don't use the screening on real human
callers, but when I've been put on hold i have no qualms using it.

> I assume it's downloading some sort of language pack, but should that
> be taking so long? If not, any suggestions for troubleshooting?
>
> (I did try googling, but the search terms I could think of didn't
> lead anywhere useful.)

Just while I was typing this followup below, the "en-US" download
finished, about 3½ hours after it started. AT 25 MB/second, that
would make it 315 GB, which seems absurd, so something else must have
been going on. Maybe Google uses a dedicated server for these
language packs, and it's really slow?

On Thu, 5 Dec 2024 22:22:22 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > Google Pixel 8a, Android 14
>
> Not 15?

Nope, I checked. The phone is new as of Tuesday, and it did an update
then, but that must have been an update to 14. I didn't really pay
attention.

I got a text an hour ago from "Silent": "Get Android 15 now. Tap to
learn more and download." No, that's not sketchy at all, at all. :-)
I'll check Settings » System. Yup, there's an update to Android 15
pending. I tapped "Download and Install".

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:

> Yup, there's an update to Android 15
> pending. I tapped "Download and Install".

You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > Yup, there's an update to Android 15
> > pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
>
> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.

Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.

But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$vAW9.139164@fx10.iad>)
saying:

> No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."

Frank Slootweg wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
>
> Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before?

That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
at 80% as a third option.

On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Stan Brown wrote:
>>
>> > Yup, there's an update to Android 15
>> > pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
>>
>> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
>
> Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
>(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
>
> But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
>refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$vAW9.139164@fx10.iad>)
>saying:
>
>> No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
>> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."

The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+
to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation
for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> Stan Brown wrote:
> >>
> >> > Yup, there's an update to Android 15
> >> > pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
> >>
> >> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
> >
> > Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
> >(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
> >
> > But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
> >refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$vAW9.139164@fx10.iad>)
> >saying:
> >
> >> No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
> >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
>
> The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+
> to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation
> for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...

After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry. Our
Samsung Galaxy A51 phones are a bit over 4 years old and we hope to have
some more years life in them. But, as you say, a survey of one and a
sample of only a few, so YMMV/YMWV.

On 12/6/24 12:09 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >> Stan Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yup, there's an update to Android 15
>> >> > pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
>> >>
>> >> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
>> >
>> > Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
>> >(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
>> >
>> > But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
>> >refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$vAW9.139164@fx10.iad>)
>> >saying:
>> >
>> >> No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
>> >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
>>
>> The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+
>> to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation
>> for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...
>
> After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
>laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Like Micky my LTs all stay plugged in most of the time, often even when
using them. So I guess I wouldn't notice a battery problem until the
software complained. As long as one holds a charge through a long crap I'm
happy.

>Our
>Samsung Galaxy A51 phones are a bit over 4 years old and we hope to have
>some more years life in them. But, as you say, a survey of one and a
>sample of only a few, so YMMV/YMWV.

Like most of my toys I get tired of them and want to try something new so
don't keep them as long as you do. My grandkids have never complained of
the donations. Win-win. Dunno why I've kept the phone so long...

On Fri, 6 Dec 2024 18:51:18 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
> > Andy Burns wrote:
> >
> >> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
> >
> > Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before?
>
> That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
> or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
> at 80% as a third option.

Where is that in Settings?

I _am_ on Android 15 now, but I don't see the setting for stopping
charging at 80%. I did Settings searches for "charge" and "charging"
but the few hits didn't include that.

Hmm ... I googled after writing that paragraph, and it looks like the
80% is not an option but a limit on all Android 15 Pixel 8a phones
(and, I assume, a list of other models).

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
>> or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
>> at 80% as a third option.
>
> Where is that in Settings?

settings, battery, charge optimisation

> I _am_ on Android 15 now, but I don't see the setting for stopping
> charging at 80%. I did Settings searches for "charge" and "charging"
> but the few hits didn't include that.
>
> Hmm ... I googled after writing that paragraph, and it looks like the
> 80% is not an option but a limit on all Android 15 Pixel 8a phones
> (and, I assume, a list of other models).

You did say you have an 8a, right?

Given you were over a month "late" getting android 15, have you tried
checking for another upgrade to get the december feature drop version
(AP4A.241205.013)

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> > After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
> >laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry.
>
> Like Micky my LTs all stay plugged in most of the time, often even when
> using them. So I guess I wouldn't notice a battery problem until the
> software complained. As long as one holds a charge through a long crap I'm
> happy.
>
That makes a bit of a nonsense of a 'mobile' phone doesn't it! :-)

--
Chris Green
·

In comp.mobile.android, on 6 Dec 2024 19:09:19 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>> On 12/6/24 11:34 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >> Stan Brown wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Yup, there's an update to Android 15
>> >> > pending. I tapped "Download and Install".
>> >>
>> >> You should have the option to limit battery charge to 80% now.
>> >
>> > Hmm, you mean that Pixels did not have that before? Samsungs got that
>> >(in Samsung's case 85%) with Android 12 in April 2022.
>> >
>> > But indeed, my archive for this group has a post mine of June 14 2022,
>> >refering a post from John McGaw (<iyNpK.140772$vAW9.139164@fx10.iad>)
>> >saying:
>> >
>> >> No such thing on my "pure Android" Pixel 6 Pro which leads me to believe
>> >> that the option is something that Samsung added for their devices."
>>
>> The capability may be overrated. I've always charged my Samsung Galaxy S10+
>> to 100% and it just passed 5 years with no 'noticeable' battery degradation
>> for 'my' use. A survey of one of course and as always YMMV...
>
> After having ruined, or seen ruined, my share of batteries (mostly
>laptop and several small 'gadgets'), I'd rather be safe than sorry. Our
>Samsung Galaxy A51 phones are a bit over 4 years old and we hope to have
>some more years life in them. But, as you say, a survey of one and a
>sample of only a few, so YMMV/YMWV.

No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
100% battery health of that 80%.

**Hmmm. Oops, I guess this is the opposite issue of only charging to
80%.

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 08:53:23 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > Andy Burns wrote:
> >
> >> That's right, before now they either had charge fast to 100%
> >> or charge slow to 100% in time for your morning alarm, now they can stop
> >> at 80% as a third option.
> >
> > Where is that in Settings?
>
> settings, battery, charge optimisation

Thank you. I don't have that item. Predictable since a search for
"charge" didn't return it as a result, but I've looked directly to
confirm.
> > I _am_ on Android 15 now, but I don't see the setting for stopping
> > charging at 80%. I did Settings searches for "charge" and "charging"
> > but the few hits didn't include that.
> >
> > Hmm ... I googled after writing that paragraph, and it looks like the
> > 80% is not an option but a limit on all Android 15 Pixel 8a phones
> > (and, I assume, a list of other models).
>
> You did say you have an 8a, right?

Yes, brand new this past Tuesday after my Samsung A54 was stolen in a
smash-and-grab.

> Given you were over a month "late" getting android 15, have you tried
> checking for another upgrade to get the december feature drop version
> (AP4A.241205.013)

System » Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date". I don't
really understand the structure of Android updates or where to search
for them manually and how to apply one that I want.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown wrote:

> System » Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".

Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
and admits there is an update after all.

> I don't really understand the structure of Android updates or where
> to search for them manually and how to apply one that I want.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]

> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
> 100% battery health of that 80%.

Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.

For example, for my laptop, BatteryInfoView says:

"Full Charged Capacity 38,397 mWh
Designed Capacity 38,397 mWh
Battery Health 100.0%"

So I might think "Great, still 100% of designed capacity!", but that
can't be, because the laptop is 2 years and 3 months old.

And indeed, it can't be correct, because the official specs say "41
Wh", so it's 93.7% of designed capacity, not 100%. Not bad, but not
100%.

Now if I run the "HP Battery Check" utility, i.e. the utility which
came with the laptop and is designed for the laptop, it says:

"Design Capacity: 41 WHr
Full Charge Capacity: 38 WHr (93%)"

So it gives the same Full Charge Capacity as BatteryInfoView (rounded
down to the nearest integer), but gives the *real* Design Capacity of 41
WHr, instead of the fake/wrong one which BatteryInfoView gave and the
correct battery health of 93%.

Moral: I use both BatteryInfoView *and* the HP Battery Check utility.
BatteryInfoView gives me more information - for example the Battery Log
over time -, but the limited information which the HP Battery Check
utility gives, is more_reliable/correct.

> **Hmmm. Oops, I guess this is the opposite issue of only charging to
> 80%.

In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>[...]
>
>> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
>> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
>> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
>> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
>> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
>> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
>> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
>> 100% battery health of that 80%.
>
> Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
>BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
>always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.

Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
My old battery had gone from
Battery capacity history
PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
to (with many readings in between)
2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh

I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems
longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5
years. It seems longer.

> For example, for my laptop, BatteryInfoView says:
>
>"Full Charged Capacity 38,397 mWh
> Designed Capacity 38,397 mWh
> Battery Health 100.0%"
>
> So I might think "Great, still 100% of designed capacity!", but that
>can't be, because the laptop is 2 years and 3 months old.
>
> And indeed, it can't be correct, because the official specs say "41
>Wh", so it's 93.7% of designed capacity, not 100%. Not bad, but not
>100%.
>
> Now if I run the "HP Battery Check" utility, i.e. the utility which
>came with the laptop and is designed for the laptop, it says:
>
>"Design Capacity: 41 WHr
> Full Charge Capacity: 38 WHr (93%)"
>
> So it gives the same Full Charge Capacity as BatteryInfoView (rounded
>down to the nearest integer), but gives the *real* Design Capacity of 41
>WHr, instead of the fake/wrong one which BatteryInfoView gave and the
>correct battery health of 93%.
>
> Moral: I use both BatteryInfoView *and* the HP Battery Check utility.
>BatteryInfoView gives me more information - for example the Battery Log
>over time -, but the limited information which the HP Battery Check
>utility gives, is more_reliable/correct.

thanks.

>> **Hmmm. Oops, I guess this is the opposite issue of only charging to
>> 80%.

In comp.mobile.android, on Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:11:31 +0000, Andy Burns
<usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>
>Stan Brown wrote:
>
>> System » Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".
>
>Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
>and admits there is an update after all.

Some say that Android had an abusive childhood, when it learned to lie
to its parents. Even now that it's famous, it can't seem to stop.
>
>> I don't really understand the structure of Android updates or where
>> to search for them manually and how to apply one that I want.

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> >[...]
> >
> >> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
> >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
> >> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
> >> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
> >> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
> >> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
> >> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
> >> 100% battery health of that 80%.
> >
> > Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
> >BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
> >always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.
>
> Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
> wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
> I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
> My old battery had gone from
> Battery capacity history
> PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
> 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
> to (with many readings in between)
> 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh

If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg
/batteryreport', then that's a general Windows utility, not an
Acer-specific one.

OTOH, it reports a nice round number for 'DESIGN CAPACITY', so I think
that is indeed the documented design capacity, instead of a calculated/
'fabricated' one.

Can you give us the name of the utility which you used?

> I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems
> longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5
> years. It seems longer.

[...]

In comp.mobile.android, on 8 Dec 2024 10:10:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

>micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on 7 Dec 2024 18:52:57 GMT, Frank Slootweg
>> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>> >[...]
>> >
>> >> No battery stories with phones but with a laptop, every time I'd run the
>> >> battery to near zero** (because the charger came unplugged and I didn't
>> >> notice it, after re-charging, going by Nirsoft's free BatteryInfoView,
>> >> I'd have lost 10% from Battery Health. Other than those times, it
>> >> didn't go down, but 3 or 4 times down to near zero and the battery
>> >> wouldn't take a charge, wouldn't start the laptop. Coudn't find for
>> >> sale a battery as big as the original, maybe only 80%, but it's now at
>> >> 100% battery health of that 80%.
>> >
>> > Note that, as I've mentioned before, general purpose utilities like
>> >BatteryInfoView don't tell the truth (read: cannot tell the truth). So
>> >always try to also use a utility from the manufacturer of the laptop.
>>
>> Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
>> wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
>> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
>> I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
>> My old battery had gone from
>> Battery capacity history
>> PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
>> 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
>> to (with many readings in between)
>> 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh
>
> If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg
>/batteryreport',

Yes,

> then that's a general Windows utility, not an
>Acer-specific one.

Ah,

> OTOH, it reports a nice round number for 'DESIGN CAPACITY', so I think
>that is indeed the documented design capacity, instead of a calculated/
>'fabricated' one.
>
> Can you give us the name of the utility which you used?

What you said above.

That's what google suggested, pointing to community.acer.com. I went
back and looked some more, but there seems to be nothing especially for
Acer. That's okay since this Acer laptop is being demoted to backup
when the new one comes, and it's a Dell. (I still like Acer, no
complaints about the two I've had.)

One answer on community.acer.com suggested HWinfo64, and I got that and
I've run it and it has a lot of info, most of it I suspect is copied
from msinfo32, right. On the battery it says the wear level for this
batter replaced a few months ago is 0%, the designed capacity is
26640mWh, and the fully charged capacity is the same.

This reminds me of another question. When I got the new battery for the
Acer, there were instructions on discharging it a long way and
recharging, a couple times, to calibrate how much was in it. I couldn't
bear to do that because I think it harms the battery, but more
important, it seemed like there was no point silnce I leave it plugged
in 95% of the time. So there is no point to my calibrating it, right?

I do use the battery when maybe I take it to the other room (where I
immediately plug it in), or when there's a power failure, for the whole
neihborhood or because I kick the plug for the charger, to shut down
without losing data. And I have software for an earlier XP laptop to
adjust settings in the car, but it turned out for my car, a 2005 toyota,
there were no settings of interest to me. I wanted the remote to unlock
both doors without have to push it twice and one other thing I don't
even remember. Those options are available on newer cars but not mine.
I used the laptop battery for that, but it only took 15 minutes. (they
sell cables to connect USB to the big connector under the dashboard, but
the software wasn't easy to find. I think it's bootlegged, but the
local Toyota dealer told me I needed a whole bunch of work I absolutely
did not need, so I don't feel guilty. I had replaced some right front
wheel parts and I took it in for a wheel alighment. They told me I
needed a new boot about both left and right universal joints, even
though I then checked the left one and it had no leaks and the right one
only had 40 miles on it. Other things they lied about too.)

>> I might have gotten the laptop at that first data, 3/18/21. It seems
>> longer but that the trip I know I took it on. So I only had it 3.5
>> years. It seems longer.
>
>[...]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:11:31 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > System » Software updates said "your Pixel is up to date".
>
> Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
> and admits there is an update after all.

Thanks for the tip. This was one of those times, but I would never
have guessed without your prompt.

It's a 774 MB feature update, in progress now, and I'll bet dollars
to donuts it contains the battery 80% setting.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 06:59:43 -0800, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 18:11:31 +0000, Andy Burns wrote:

> > Sometimes it lies, then if you do "Check for update" it acts surprised
> > and admits there is an update after all.
>
> Thanks for the tip. This was one of those times, but I would never
> have guessed without your prompt.
>
> It's a 774 MB feature update, in progress now, and I'll bet dollars
> to donuts it contains the battery 80% setting.

And it did. After the update finished, I found that Battery » Charge
Optimization is now part of Settings, and I set it to charge only to
80%.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on 8 Dec 2024 10:10:50 GMT, Frank Slootweg
> <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> >micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
[...]

> >> Checking, I see that Acer does have a way to check, so I ran it, and it
> >> wrote a file, and going to see the file, I saw another similar file from
> >> last June. I see that I also did this last June, probably to decide if
> >> I needed a new battery. Who remembers these things. But I did need one.
> >> My old battery had gone from
> >> Battery capacity history
> >> PERIOD FULL CHARGE CAPACITY DESIGN CAPACITY
> >> 2021-03-18 - 2021-03-30 34,425 mWh 37,000 mWh
> >> to (with many readings in between)
> >> 2024-06-18 25,500 mWh 37,000 mWh
> >
> > If that is from the battery-report.html file generated by 'powercfg
> >/batteryreport',
>
> Yes,

That's good. For my (HP) laptop, 'powercfg /batteryreport' is 'lying'
about the 'DESIGN CAPACITY', taking the 'FULL CHARGE CAPACITY' as the
'DESIGN CAPACITY'. So good that it's telling the truth for you. That
only shows that not all laptops are made equal! :-)

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> This reminds me of another question. When I got the new battery for the
> Acer, there were instructions on discharging it a long way and
> recharging, a couple times, to calibrate how much was in it. I couldn't
> bear to do that because I think it harms the battery, but more
> important, it seemed like there was no point silnce I leave it plugged
> in 95% of the time. So there is no point to my calibrating it, right?

No, calibrating the battery doesn't harm the battery. On the contrary,
certain problems - like unexpectedly low capacity, charged percentage
not matching reality (I had that this summer), etc. - can sometimes be
fixed by calibrating. So if the information source is/sounds credible,
you can follow that advice.

> I do use the battery when maybe I take it to the other room (where I
> immediately plug it in), or when there's a power failure, for the whole
> neihborhood or because I kick the plug for the charger, to shut down
> without losing data. And I have software for an earlier XP laptop to
> adjust settings in the car, but it turned out for my car, a 2005 toyota,
> there were no settings of interest to me. I wanted the remote to unlock
> both doors without have to push it twice and one other thing I don't
> even remember. Those options are available on newer cars but not mine.
> I used the laptop battery for that, but it only took 15 minutes.

As for there being any point recalibrating the battery, considering
your usage: Probably not, but it can't hurt and it's not that much
effort. But *if* you do it, do it right, i.e. follow the procedure fully
and a few times, don't cut corners, because that won't help.

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