On 03.12.24 22:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-03 22:24, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 03.12.24 20:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-03 19:16, micky wrote:
>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 3 Dec 2024 07:54:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris
>>>> <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Install WhatsApp as most people and companies in those countries use it by
>>>>> default for most communication. It doesn't suffer from call costs so they
>>>>> can "call" you on your US no. for "free". It requires data, but most people
>>>>> have large/unlimited data caps.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Whatsapp is fantastic. Especially if you want to share part of
>>>> your trip with someone back home. I gave 60 or 90 minute video tours of
>>>> a couple places where I was to a friend back home. She's seen more of a
>>>> couple obscure places than people who have actually been there. And it
>>>> was all free (I had plenty of data.)
>>>
>>> Otherwise, do not forget RCS. If your friends back home do not have
>>> whatsapp, they may have RCS; maybe they just need to activate it. If
>>> available, it is is also gratis.
>>
>> Seriously?!
>>
>>
> Of course.

:-D

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 03.12.24 22:54, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-12-03 22:24, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 03.12.24 20:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-03 19:16, micky wrote:
>>>>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 3 Dec 2024 07:54:35 -0000 (UTC), Chris
>>>>> <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Install WhatsApp as most people and companies in those countries use it by
>>>>>> default for most communication. It doesn't suffer from call costs so they
>>>>>> can "call" you on your US no. for "free". It requires data, but most people
>>>>>> have large/unlimited data caps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Whatsapp is fantastic. Especially if you want to share part of
>>>>> your trip with someone back home. I gave 60 or 90 minute video tours of
>>>>> a couple places where I was to a friend back home. She's seen more of a
>>>>> couple obscure places than people who have actually been there. And it
>>>>> was all free (I had plenty of data.)
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, do not forget RCS. If your friends back home do not have
>>>> whatsapp, they may have RCS; maybe they just need to activate it. If
>>>> available, it is is also gratis.
>>>
>>> Seriously?!
>>>
>>>
>> Of course.
>
> :-D

Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> :-D
>
> Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.

I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
free messengers.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
> On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >> :-D
> >
> > Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.
>
> I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
> not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
> free messengers.

Earth to Jörg: The "Two Questions" are from an *American* planning to
visit Europe. Put two and two together and maybe, just maybe, you'll
figure it out.

On 2024-12-04 07:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> :-D
>>
>> Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.
>
> I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
> not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
> free messengers.

You are not USAian.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 04.12.24 12:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 07:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> :-D
>>>
>>> Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.
>>
>> I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
>> not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
>> free messengers.
>
> You are not USAian.

I'm in the USA quite often. This year in October and November. We have a
lot of friends and relatives there: Exactly the same. RCS is practically
non-existent. iMsg, Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp rule!

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

On 04.12.24 12:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 07:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> :-D
>>>
>>> Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.
>>
>> I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
>> not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
>> free messengers.
>
> You are not USAian.

I know even better than the average US-cellphone-user because I use all
existing networks by roaming and I'm not stuck with one provider and in
addition with the exception of WA I use all messengers including
potentially RCS (there is a rumour that it also exists on iPhones in the
meantime but was never seen).

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2024-12-03 17:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> rent a sim in the country I'm going to.
>>>
>>> A SIM for any EU country ought to allow free roaming to any other EU
>>> country, so the O/P won't need three SIMs.
>>
>> And for the EU you probably don't need to rent a SIM, but just buy
>> one, probably with a pre-paid plan.
>>
>> Ken said "I'll be in Europe (Spain, France, Italy)...". If he visits
>> them in that order, Carlos may be able to give some suggestions/pointers
>> for Spain. If Ken could indicate how much minutes/'texts'/GB he would
>> need per unit of time, that would help.
>
>Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently.
>Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.

Thanks, but much more than I'm willing to spend. I hope to never need
to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.

>
>The best method is not asking the locals, but entering a shop that tends
>to multiple brands in an immigrant district. My cousin did that in
>Barcelona and surprised me by finding a very good deal I did not know about.
>
>Just a note: they will ask you to show an ID. This is counter-terrorism
>measures since 9-11 and 11M

On 12/4/2024 8:53 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 04.12.24 12:58, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 07:26, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 04.12.24 03:10, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-04 02:07, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> :-D
>>>>
>>>> Your bias against it is well known and can be duly ignored.
>>>
>>> I have it active for years but I never received a "RCS". Market share
>>> not materially different from zero. It is a dead horse in the times of
>>> free messengers.
>>
>> You are not USAian.
>
> I know even better than the average US-cellphone-user because I use all
> existing networks by roaming and I'm not stuck with one provider and in
> addition with the exception of WA I use all messengers including
> potentially RCS (there is a rumour that it also exists on iPhones in the
> meantime but was never seen).

In the US on my iPhone when I send a text message to someone with an
iphone the input field looks like the bottom portion of the image below
and says it will be an "iMessage." If one of the recipients has an
android phone, it looks like the top one and says it will be "Text
Message - RCS."

<https://i.postimg.cc/Gp4Fj4bJ/Messages.jpg>

--
I Stand With Israel!

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> >On 2024-12-03 17:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >>> micky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> rent a sim in the country I'm going to.
> >>>
> >>> A SIM for any EU country ought to allow free roaming to any other EU
> >>> country, so the O/P won't need three SIMs.
> >>
> >> And for the EU you probably don't need to rent a SIM, but just buy
> >> one, probably with a pre-paid plan.
> >>
> >> Ken said "I'll be in Europe (Spain, France, Italy)...". If he visits
> >> them in that order, Carlos may be able to give some suggestions/pointers
> >> for Spain. If Ken could indicate how much minutes/'texts'/GB he would
> >> need per unit of time, that would help.
> >
> >Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently.
> >Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>
> Thanks, but much more than I'm willing to spend. I hope to never need
> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.

You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.

My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).

If you want more advice, *talk* to us. Sofar you have given very
little information/feedback.

> >The best method is not asking the locals, but entering a shop that tends
> >to multiple brands in an immigrant district. My cousin did that in
> >Barcelona and surprised me by finding a very good deal I did not know about.
> >
> >Just a note: they will ask you to show an ID. This is counter-terrorism
> >measures since 9-11 and 11M

On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>>> Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently.
>>> Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>>
>> Thanks, but much more than I'm willing to spend. I hope to never need
>> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.
>
> You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
>
> My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).

For that price, it may not include much data.

https://www.movistar.es/tarifas-moviles/prepago/

- Prepaid plus tariff. Now with 40 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited
national calls and 200 minutes of international calls.

- Premium prepaid tariff. Now with 80 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited
national calls and 400 minutes of international calls.

- Total prepaid tariff. Now with 140 GB at 5G+ speed with unlimited
national calls and also in the EU.

- Habla 6 prepaid tariff. This is the simplest voice-only tariff and the
default tariff in general in the prepaid mode.

Translated with DeepL.com (free version)

They don't say prices. I found them at a newspaper, for the past summer.

<https://www.lavanguardia.com/andro4all/operadoras/movistar-multiplica-por-cuatro-los-gb-de-sus-tarifas-prepago-este-verano>

Plus (10 euros): from 10 GB to 40 GB. Also includes unlimited
national calls and 200 minutes for international calls.
Premium (15 euros): from 20 GB to 80 GB. Also includes unlimited
national calls and 400 minutes of international calls.
Total (20 euros): from 35 GB to 140 GB. In addition, there are
unlimited national calls and unlimited calls within the European Union.

Another provider.

<https://www.vodafone.es/c/particulares/es/productos-y-servicios/movil/prepago-y-recargas/tarjetas-prepago/>

Prepago S
50G
unlimited national calls
400 minutes international

10€ 28 days.

Prepago M
100G
unlimited national calls
800 minutes international

15€ 28 days.

Prepago L
150G
unlimited national calls
1200 minutes international

20€ 28 days.

Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
an international call.

They mail you the SIM free or charge, but I don't know if to the USA.

Prepago XL
170G
unlimited national calls
1600 minutes international

30€ 28 days.

Prepago XXL
200G
unlimited national calls
2000 minutes international

40€ 28 days.

Then there are the small providers. Here there is a comparison:
<https://selectra.es/internet-telefono/movil/prepago>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2024 20:11:38 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-12-03 17:28, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> rent a sim in the country I'm going to.
>>>>>
>>>>> A SIM for any EU country ought to allow free roaming to any other EU
>>>>> country, so the O/P won't need three SIMs.
>>>>
>>>> And for the EU you probably don't need to rent a SIM, but just buy
>>>> one, probably with a pre-paid plan.
>>>>
>>>> Ken said "I'll be in Europe (Spain, France, Italy)...". If he visits
>>>> them in that order, Carlos may be able to give some suggestions/pointers
>>>> for Spain. If Ken could indicate how much minutes/'texts'/GB he would
>>>> need per unit of time, that would help.
>>>
>>> Orange had a nice offer two years ago, but I don't know currently.
>>> Almost unlimited usage for 50 or 60 euros, for a month.
>>
>> Thanks, but much more than I'm willing to spend. I hope to never need
>> to use it, but just want something available in case I need to.
>
> You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
>
> My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).

An eSIM is much easier. That's what I used when I was in the US recently.
Cost $10 iirc.

> If you want more advice, *talk* to us. Sofar you have given very
> little information/feedback.

Ken actually needs to talk to his provider. They will be able to tell him
what is available on his current plan.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
> an international call.

Really? Is that typical?

My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[...]
> > You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
> > If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
> > little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
> >
> > My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
> > you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
> > i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
> > swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
> > use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).
>
> For that price, it may not include much data.

Huh? Later you give examples of 10-50GB for 10 Euro. That's quite a
bit of data and Ken said he mainly needs it to call a taxi (if needed)
and will use Wi-Fi in hotels.

[Examples deleted.]

> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
> an international call.

Yes, but it is subject to free roaming and must be *charged* as an
in-country call. Or did Itlay (or Spain) leave the EU when I wasn't
paying attention!? :-)

On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>> an international call.
>
> Really? Is that typical?
>
> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>

I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
> > Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
> >> an international call.
> >
> > Really? Is that typical?
> >
> > My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
> > and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>
> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.

Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
cost.)

But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
do for an in-country call.

So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
not more expensive than an in-country call.

On 2024-12-04 20:08, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 17:36, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> [...]
>>> You said you wanted to be able to call a taxi, in case you need one.
>>> If so, you need to be prepared and that something is "available" is of
>>> little help in such cases, you need to *have* it.
>>>
>>> My advice: If you have a dual-SIM phone, buy a local pre-paid SIM when
>>> you arrive. Will probably only cost you the credit supplied on the SIM,
>>> i.e. some 10 dollars or so. If you don't have a dual-SIM phone, but can
>>> swap SIMs (i.e. you can't be contacted on your US number, but can still
>>> use things like WhatsApp), do the same (pre-paid SIM).
>>
>> For that price, it may not include much data.
>
> Huh? Later you give examples of 10-50GB for 10 Euro. That's quite a
> bit of data and Ken said he mainly needs it to call a taxi (if needed)
> and will use Wi-Fi in hotels.

I found that out later.

Two years ago our card was 60 euros. I think it was unlimited, not sure.
It was cheaper for them calling the USA or Canada than for me.

>
> [Examples deleted.]
>
>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>> an international call.
>
> Yes, but it is subject to free roaming and must be *charged* as an
> in-country call. Or did Itlay (or Spain) leave the EU when I wasn't
> paying attention!? :-)

:-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-12-04 20:22, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>>>> an international call.
>>>
>>> Really? Is that typical?
>>>
>>> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
>>> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>>
>> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.
>
> Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
> in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
> when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
> NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
> cost.)
>
> But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> do for an in-country call.
>
> So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> not more expensive than an in-country call.

That's good to know. I heard grumbling from companies starting to or
wanting to charge more and limit the amount of roaming.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 02 Dec 2024 11:24:33 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

> I have a Google Pixel 4a. What can I do to enable my phone to make and
> receive calls while I'm away?

I'm guessing nothing, but it could turn out to be very costly. I suggest
you check which providers in Spain, France and Italy offers eSIM. It
seems Pixel 4a supports this. This way you can use a SIM and eSIM at the
same time.
> What can I do to get walking maps of the cities I'll be in into Waze
> or Google maps.

Same as above: use eSIM for local providers and buy a data pack.

Some good advice: set a download limit in your phone, just in case.

--
s|b

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Notice that with a SIM bought in Spain, making a phone call in Italy is
>>>> an international call.
>>>
>>> Really? Is that typical?
>>>
>>> My UK SIM treats all EU calls as local when roaming. This was both before
>>> and after brexit. My deal is £7 pm incl 20GB and unlimited calls/txts.
>>
>> I guess it depends on the plan. You have to ask to make certain.
>
> Nope. It's an EU regulation. You can only charge the same cost as an
> in-country call and there's a maximum per minute cost. (There was a time
> when for me a call inside another EU country or from such a country to
> NL was *cheaper* than an in-NL call, because of that maximum per minute
> cost.)
>
> But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> do for an in-country call.
>
> So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> not more expensive than an in-country call.

Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.

All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
abroad.

On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

....

> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>
> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
> abroad.

Absolutely.

But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.

And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
Hopefully they don't geofence.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>
>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>> abroad.
>
> Absolutely.
>
> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.

True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
is +33. What's Spain?

> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
> Hopefully they don't geofence.

I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
especially in touristy areas.

On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>>
>>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>>> abroad.
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
>> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
>> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.
>
> True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
> is +33. What's Spain?

+34

Italy I don't know. Ah, +39

https://countrycode.org/italy

>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>
> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
> especially in touristy areas.

That's true.

But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that
would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do
from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to
fool the system.

gps would match, phone number not.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-12-05 09:10, Chris wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-12-05 00:26, Chris wrote:
>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-12-04 19:54, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
>>>> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
>>>> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.
>>>>
>>>> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
>>>> abroad.
>>>
>>> Absolutely.
>>>
>>> But, assuming he starts the visit on Spain, then goes to Italy. He wants
>>> to call a taxi, after seeing the number somewhere. You have to add the
>>> prefix, which will not be printed in adverts and such. They assume local.
>>
>> True. I guess the OP needs to find what the county code are. I know France
>> is +33. What's Spain?
>
> +34
>
> Italy I don't know. Ah, +39
>
> https://countrycode.org/italy
>
>>> And they will see the foreign number, which might surprise them.
>>> Hopefully they don't geofence.
>>
>> I would suspect not given tourists will be regular users of taxis,
>> especially in touristy areas.
>
> That's true.
>
> But the other day there were some comments here about restaurants that
> would not accept reservations unless you were near, so difficult to do
> from the car while travelling to that city, and used gps spoofing to
> fool the system.
>
> gps would match, phone number not.

That was for one restaurant in California iirc. I doubt other places would
restrict their custom like that.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
[...]

> > But yes, *technically* it's "an international call" because you have
> > to prepend the country code of the destination, which you don't have to
> > do for an in-country call.
> >
> > So it's "an international call" and it needs roaming to work, but it's
> > not more expensive than an in-country call.
>
> Actually you can add the country code to all your calls and the
> operator/network works out whether it's local or international. Makes life
> a lot easier when storing and dialling contacts when away from home.

Yes, I know and that's what I do as well. I just pointed out the
*need* to prepend the country code for "an international call", to
distinguish between "an international call" and an in-country call in
this context of in-EU roaming.

> All my UK numbers start with +44 regardless of whether I call from home or
> abroad.