"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> Joel wrote:
>
>> Alan wrote:
>>>
>>>Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>>sucker?
>>>
>>>Is that your position?
>>
>>If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>can call Apple victims such.
>
> "Nice" logic, "Joel".

How true.. should we point out that makes him no better than Trump based on
his own opinions on the matter?

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> chrisv wrote:
>
>>Only assholes ridicule others for their choices. Within reason,
>>anyway. Some choices are worthy of ridicule, but buying Apple
>>products sure isn't one of them.
>
> Here is a buying decision that I would ridicule:
>
> https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/viral-duct-taped-banana-sells-6-million-auction-rcna180564

Ah, but in the art world, it isn't really about the 'art' it's more about
the tax write-offs and transferring money without paying the taxes.

Just you watch, in a couple of months the painting will be asserted be worth
$15 Million, it will be donated to a museum and the owner will get a major
tax write offs.

Or.. say he wants to transfer some money to someone.. a piece of overpriced
art is a good way to do so and no one can question the price of 'art' or you
'just don't understand the significance of the piece'.

They can also trade it among themselves as bribes, payouts, etc and since
there is no change in value.. the money person A gets from Person B for the
art is legally (and tax purposes) zero as it was a 'even' swap.

Na, the rich use such 'art' for a lot of money games. Which is why the
artist doesn't put any real work into it, as it doesn't matter how good (or
bad) it is, only so long as the rich can assert a value on it (ref NTF).
Further I bet the 'artist' only sees a small portion of that sale price and
most of the money ends up back in the hands of the buyer.

Art and art galleries are wonderful ways to launder money, and avoid taxes.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>>
>>>>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>
>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>
>>> ROFLMAO
>>
>>There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>
>>Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make
>>sure my
>>code runs on it as well.
>
>
> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
> Trump and guns. Nuff said.

Whereas Joel is open about his racism and bigotry.

"Klaus Schadenfreude" <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
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> [Default] Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> typed:
>
>>On 2024-11-23 14:51, Joel wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional
>>>>>>> cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current
>>>>>> iterations
>>>>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>>
>>>> There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make
>>>> sure my
>>>> code runs on it as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
>>> Trump and guns. Nuff said.
>>>
>>
>>Ad hominem.
>>
>>That was always going to be next for you...
>>
>>...right?
>
> Well there were death threats too, he learned his lesson.

Makes me wonder how the meeting with Homeland went.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-23 14:51, Joel wrote:
>>> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional
>>>>>>> cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current
>>>>>> iterations
>>>>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>>>
>>>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>>
>>>> There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make
>>>> sure my
>>>> code runs on it as well.
>>>
>>> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
>>> Trump and guns. Nuff said.
>>
>>Ad hominem.
>>
>>That was always going to be next for you...
>>
>>...right?
>
>
> The ad hominem began with Klaus dissing Linux software.

Seems fair since you've regularly dissing other OS software.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> You have to forgive old Klaus, he's too Caucasian and stupid. Loves
>>>>> Trump and guns. Nuff said.
>>>>
>>>> Ad hominem.
>>>>
>>>> That was always going to be next for you...
>>>>
>>>> ...right?
>>>
>>> The ad hominem began with Klaus dissing Linux software.
>>
>>Since "ad hominem" means "to the person" dissing Linux software (which
>>he didn't actually do) cannot be that.
>
>
> Ah, but there's an implied dis of people who use Linux, in the words
> ostensibly about software.

Well you started it.. now you want to complain?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
>>>>industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.
>>>
>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>> that it's Unix.
>>
>>I think they're all the "enemy" to some degree, depending on what you care
>>about, specifically with respect to capability & full hotfix support.
>>
>>Since I came from the corporate world (Redhat for the engineers, MS
>>Windows
>>for everyone who did anything & Apple for the marcomms ladies to draw
>>with)
>>I started with Centos (closest free Linux to Redhat) but then moved to
>>Ubuntu (which was the Unity desktop abomination in those days long ago).
>>
>>Linux does everything you need to do, but it just doesn't have the immense
>>software choice that Microsoft enjoys - nor is any given release patched
>>for, oh, how long has Microsoft Windows been both free & fully supported?
>>
>>Let's see, my 2009 desktop started as Windows Vista, where I skipped
>>Windows 8 (as I recall) & upgraded for free to Windows 10 (as I recall).
>>
>>Since Windows 10 is fully supported for one more year, that's full hotfix
>>support for about 14 years for me, but Vista released in 2007 so that's
>>more than a 1-1/2 decades of full hotfix support (which is not the same as
>>support - which I know you know - but the Apple trolls never understand
>>anything outside of a slick (but brilliant) Apple marketing brochure.
>>
>>Linux is effectively supported longer than 1-1/2 decades, but you can't
>>complain about Microsoft's full hotfix support when it's that long.
>>
>>Samsung and Google recently published their full hotfix support length.
>>It's 7 years and up to 7 releases for both of them.
>>
>>Apple's full hotfix support is stated as only five years by Apple.
>>And Apple has never fully supported more than one release in its history.
>>
>>Those are just facts.
>>
>>What's interesting in terms of herd mentality psychology, is not so much
>>that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry - but that the
>>Apple trolls (who don't actually know anything) think it has the best.
>
>
> You might get your "hotfixes" from M$, but not real support of your
> ancient computer, anything that came

Josh likes his computers like he likes his sex.. a quick conclusion.

meanwhile.. how much of the landfill does he suggest we fill up with stuff
he claims isn't fast enough anymore?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>>>What's interesting in terms of herd mentality psychology, is not so much
>>>>that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the industry - but that the
>>>>Apple trolls (who don't actually know anything) think it has the best.
>>>
>>> You might get your "hotfixes" from M$, but not real support of your
>>> ancient computer, anything that came with Vista is going to have
>>> painfully slow storage, SATA SSDs are not the miracle that NVMe ones
>>> are, when they're connected to ancient motherboards, or even in
>>> general. M$ doesn't care about you, they want you to buy a whole new
>>> system every few years. My computer was ideal for the Windows 11
>>> upgrade, in 2021, but it would suck if I still had it today, which is
>>> why I've been on Linux for a year.
>>
>>Hi Joel,
>>I'm curious why you say that given my 2009 PC works great on Windows 10.
>>but I defer to your greater knowledge level so I'd like to ask for advice.
>>
>>What commands do you want me to run to display my system for you now?
>>And when you see my "ancient" system from 2009, what's wrong with it?
>> AMD Phenom II X4 810 Processor 2.6GHz 16GB RAM
>>
>>My "storage" has been replaced long ago but it's a normal disc drive.
>>My graphics card has also been replaced. And a memory stick went bad.
>>Other than that, the system is original. It works fine for me in Win10.
>>
>>Why would you say my system does not run fine when I think it does.
>>Maybe we're looking at different metrics?
>>
>>I'm NOT saying it's a powerhouse - but it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>>Doesn't it?
>>
>>What's wrong with it in your opinion that would make Win10 NOT run fine?
>>
>>I just ran Win+I and screenshotted my "system" to post it below for you.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/t4P7fZZg/system01.jpg>
>>
>>Why do you feel that system is "painfully slow" when I don't feel that?
>>What other command do you want me to run to screenshot my system hardware?
>>
>>I'm curious since you know more than I do on hardware so I wish to learn.
>>Here's the Win+R > msinfo32 results which I screenshot for you also.
>> <https://i.postimg.cc/63gpYnVz/system02.jpg>
>>
>>Would you kindly take a look and let me know why you think it won't run
>>Windows 10 "just fine" (where I know it's no longer a powerhouse PC)?
>>
>>Thanks! I love to learn from others who know more than I do.
>
>
> This is interesting, actually, because your system is not unlike my
> previous one, a four-core four-thread CPU, with up to 16 GB RAM. I
> would wager that your system would perform better under Linux, than
> Win10, but if you are satisfied with what you have, I understand.

Translation: "Crap, I've been called out and have nothing.. quick let's
change the subject and ignore the question and hope no one notices"

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>
>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>
>>"bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy" self.
>
>
> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
> la, such garbage.

Sort of like you and Linux, right??

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-24 11:40, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>
>>>> "bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy"
>>>> self.
>>>
>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>> la, such garbage.
>>Show me an example of such a post.
>>
>>I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>
>>...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>
>
> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.

You get to buy all new software to replace what you already paid for and
which is doing the job?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-24 13:03, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-24 11:40, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy"
>>>>>> self.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>>>> la, such garbage.
>>>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>>>
>>>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>>>
>>> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
>>> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
>>> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
>>> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
>>> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>>
>>Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be
>>checked.
>>
>>Colour me shocked.
>>
>>And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>>Linux?
>
>
> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.

So no graphic user interface since that's just bloatware.. right?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> It is reasonable to say that apps like Photoshop and Microsoft Office
>>> are superior, but if it requires running a commercial OS, screw it.
>>OHHHHH!
>>
>>It's the fact that the OS is COMMERCIAL that's important, is it?
>
>
> It wouldn't be, if M$ and Apple weren't just about getting more and
> more money. The way Microsoft pretends that Windows 10 today is still
> the same thing, as it was when it was first released in 2015, is just
> ridiculous. People using these ancient computers with it. It's a
> farce.

So, you do NOT want hardware compatibility but would rather they regularly
throw their old computers in the landfill.

And of course, you have yet to explain why anyone should switch from an OS
they are happy with to Linux just because you claim it's better.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> It is reasonable to say that apps like Photoshop and Microsoft Office
>>>>> are superior, but if it requires running a commercial OS, screw it.
>>>> OHHHHH!
>>>>
>>>> It's the fact that the OS is COMMERCIAL that's important, is it?
>>>
>>> It wouldn't be, if M$ and Apple weren't just about getting more and
>>> more money. The way Microsoft pretends that Windows 10 today is still
>>> the same thing, as it was when it was first released in 2015, is just
>>> ridiculous. People using these ancient computers with it. It's a
>>> farce.
>>
>>And now I understand your religion.
>>
>>Apple doesn't charge a cent for its OS, doofus.
>
>
> Doesn't matter, you have to have their hardware to use it.

Great, then using Windows 7 should be ideal according to you I mean it was
released in 2009 and here it is 2024 and still working just fine that's 15
years of life. Makes me wonder how many people are running a 15 year old
Linux OS

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> the current OS will run on machines that are as much as 6 years old.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh wow, six years, that's an eternity ...
>>>> No... ...not an eternity.
>>>>
>>>> But likely longer than most people want to keep one computer.
>>>
>>> You're making my case for me, not everyone is upper-middle class, to
>>> afford these pricey Apple systems every few years.
>>
>>Are you kidding? Amortize over just 4 years, my new MacBook Air M3 will
>>cost me $50/month, all in (including 12% sales tax).
>>
>>And that was hardly the least expensive choice that was available.
>>
>>You don't have to be "upper-middle class" to afford $50 a month for an
>>essential tool of modern life.
>
>
> Laptops are not really comparable to what I'd be into, Apple's Mac
> mini and Studio models are inferior for the cost, compared to self-
> assembling a desktop. And I know, not everyone wants to build
> computers, I get it, but FFS you sacrifice so much of either quality
> or money, if you don't do this. The value of my machine is
> unbelievable. I'm a relatively poor person with a great box, because
> I used the money so intelligently.

Apparently not.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage
>>>> for
>>>> Linux?
>>>
>>> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>>> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>>
>>That didn't actually answer my question.
>>
>>Of course, that's pretty much your MO, so...
>
>
> It's not about money, is the thing. That's all imaginary. It's about
> production. I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.

So you got mad.. threw away the software you had paid for and invested in,
just to switch to an OS that provides ZERO support and you are totally
dependant on others to provide any support or software?

Oh, but it has less 'bloat' and in these days of gigabytes of memory and
terabytes of storage you are worried about a few hundred megs of 'bloat'?

LMAO...

That's sort of like asserting a new car is better because it doesn't include
the weight of a cigarette lighter.
With over 3.5 Terabytes of movies and shows on my computer I think the
little bit of "bloat" I get from Windows is utterly insignificant. Heck, I
could put the entire "bloat" in main memory and probably never ever notice
it was even there. Yep less than 0.001% of my main drive is taken up in
'bloat'. OMG how will I ever survive... LOL

Meanwhile I know that Ubuntu 24.04 download is 5.7GB whereas Win7 with the
Service Packs is only 5.5GB Seems even with the 'bloatware" Windows is going
to take up less space on my drive. Of course, given that's a minor portion
I'm sure I would be losing sleep over it as you clearly do about how much
room Ubuntu does on yours.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 14:44, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage
>>>>> for
>>>>> Linux?
>>>>
>>>> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>>>> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>>>
>>> That didn't actually answer my question.
>>>
>>> Of course, that's pretty much your MO, so...
>>
>>
>> It's not about money, is the thing. That's all imaginary. It's about
>> production. I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
>> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
>> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.
> This is sounding a lot more like a cult thing with you...

Seems like it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
>>> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
>>> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.
>>This is sounding a lot more like a cult thing with you...
>
>
> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.

Supported opinions.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>
>>As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and "commercial".
>
>
> Not when such abuse me, right.

Now Joel, show us on this doll where Microsoft touched you....

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>>> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a
>>>> fanatic
>>>> I sound like".
>>>
>>> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
>>> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
>>> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
>>> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
>>> aging hardware.
>>
>>Or they could just get a Mac.
>
>
> Probably, Apple's support would be better than M$'s. I grant that,
> because they aren't so ridiculous with never ending growth of code
> bloat, and that's a point in their favor, but it's still overpriced,
> compared to what one can get with parts and Linux. I really see Linux
> as the only platform to keep a machine going for its useful life,
> without the outrageous cost of Apple.

Says the person who complains about me running Win7 despite how much the
latest versions of Ubuntu need to meet minimum requirements

Win7
Processor 1Ghz 32-bit single core
Ram- 1GB
Disk - 16GB
Graphics - DirectX9

Ubuntu
Processor 2GHz dual core
Ram - 4 GB
Disk - 25GB
Display 1024x768 or higher
Architecture 64-bit (x86-64) recommended

Yea, I can see how it would require so much less... NOT

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2
>>>>>>> vs.
>>>>>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>>>>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>>>>> I guess the answer is, "No, I really don't realize how much of a
>>>>>> fanatic
>>>>>> I sound like".
>>>>>
>>>>> I am a fanatic, definitely. Fanatically, I can't believe what M$ did
>>>>> to Windows 10 victims. And what they're already doing with Win11.
>>>>> It's a joke. They're making Linux the obvious solution, but people
>>>>> just won't see that, and put up with the hassle of using Winblows on
>>>>> aging hardware.
>>>>
>>>> Or they could just get a Mac.
>>>
>>> Probably, Apple's support would be better than M$'s. I grant that,
>>> because they aren't so ridiculous with never ending growth of code
>>> bloat, and that's a point in their favor, but it's still overpriced,
>>> compared to what one can get with parts and Linux. I really see Linux
>>> as the only platform to keep a machine going for its useful life,
>>> without the outrageous cost of Apple.
>>
>>Except, for most people, there are large costs to Linux.
>>
>>Most people can't assemble a computer from parts; most don't want to.
>>
>>Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>Windows machine.
>
>
> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
> performance, for the privilege.

How so? As long as Windows has been around you can get copies of most
software very cheap on the 2nd Hand market. About the only real issue is the
conversion to Win11 where you suddenly need 64 bit, but with Win7, I don't
have that problem. Heck I even have a business copy of Office with an
unlimited license... which means I can install it onl as many of my
computers as I like.

> With Linux, I just don't have that
> problem.

Or course, because you have a library of software which may or may not
function very well and you can forget any sort of technical support.

> Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
> viable solution.

Strange, most people see multiple viable solutions.

Only a fanatic can see only one.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Most people want the range of software that comes with using a Mac or a
>>>> Windows machine.
>>>
>>> I agree that Winblows has a library of software available, that is
>>> enticing to many people. Even excluding gaming, that is true, and I
>>> acknowledge it. But it's funny how much one must sacrifice money or
>>> performance, for the privilege. With Linux, I just don't have that
>>> problem. Apple is better in terms of how it evolves over time, but
>>> has an up-front cost that is prohibitive. Linux remains the only
>>> viable solution.
>>
>>First of all, grow up.
>>
>>No one here is under any illusion about how you feel about Windows, so
>>put on your big boy pants and just call it "Windows".
>
>
> I'm sorry, but I have seen too many damn times, how M$ bloatware does
> "blow" as in metaphorically suck dick, as the demands on hardware grow
> with updates.

Gee and you build your systems only to the minimum requirements.
You do realize that if you get an older version.. then even that which meets
the minimum standards NOW will ROCK with the slightly older version.

Oh, but that's right, if it's not 'new' then it's useless.. according to
you.

"-hh" <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote in message
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> On 11/24/24 7:54 PM, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and
>>>>> "commercial".
>>>>
>>>> Not when such abuse me, right.
>>> How does someone selling a product "abuse" you?
>>>
>>> Do you even hear yourself?
>>
>>
>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>
>
> When have you ever kept the same hardware configuration for 10 years?
>
> For that matter, what's the longest that you've gone to date?
>
> After all, you didn't even go 2 years with your 2022 box, as you've
> admitted that you made a video upgrade because its original 'high-end'
> configuration couldn't even adequately handle one (1) 4K display.
>
>
> -hh

-hh swoops in and nukes the target from orbit...

"chrisv" <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
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> -hh wrote:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> Windows 11 grew in demands on hardware in a mere two years. 21H2 vs.
>>> 23H2. What the hell is that? Why can't a machine assembled the same
>>> year, as its initial release, run it, for the full 10 years, without
>>> being a piece of junk? Fuck M$. Linux FTW.
>>
>>When have you ever kept the same hardware configuration for 10 years?
>>
>>For that matter, what's the longest that you've gone to date?
>>
>>After all, you didn't even go 2 years with your 2022 box, as you've
>>admitted that you made a video upgrade because its original 'high-end'
>>configuration couldn't even adequately handle one (1) 4K display.
>
> Joel is not being fair. But neither is attacking him for adding a
> video card to his system. There's obviously nothing wrong with such
> an upgrade.

If you have to replace your video card within 2 years of original then one
has to question his choice of hardware..

As apparently his hardware was so close to or below minimum requirements
that he couldn't update Win11 after installing it.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>
>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid more
>>>> for a name(!).
>>>
>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>> durability and quality.
>>
>>You're the one who literally said:
>>
>>"bragging rights".
>
>
> Yeah, but not about the name, about how good equipment I selected.

Yea.. this from the person who claims they couldn't upgrade Win11 on their
new build made just for Win11

Tell us another tall tail.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 13:00, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid
>>>>> more
>>>>> for a name(!).
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>>> durability and quality.
>>>
>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>>
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>>
>> Yeah, but not about the name, about how good equipment I selected.
>>
>
> If you won't discuss benchmarks, it's not about how good the the equipment
> actually is.

Well let's put it this way.. after putting together an new system for
Win11.. he claims his new hardware for Win11 wouldn't support the updates.

That's how 'good' Joel claims his equipment is.