"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 13:10, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In what sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People who like getting value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>>>>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next.
>>>>
>>>> It suggests that people have disposable income that they put toward
>>>> Apple gear, incessantly, it's ridiculous how little storage you get by
>>>> default with their devices, I had a 1 TB NVMe drive as a part, it's
>>>> still going 3 1/2 years later, at the time the iMac or Mac mini
>>>> would've had a small amount of storage, and still cost a lot. You're
>>>> a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.
>>>
>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>> sucker?
>>>
>>> Is that your position?
>>
>>
>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>> can call Apple victims such.
>
> How are those two related? "joel"?

Joel knows himself to be as bad a person as he sees Trump to be?????

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Anyone who disagrees with you about how to spend his or her money is
>>>>>> sucker?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that your position?
>>>>>
>>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking hell
>>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>>
>>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>>
>>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>>
>>OK. So?
>>
>>Why are YOU using it?
>
>
> Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
> shit.

And yet the professionals love it because it is superior to any other
offering out there.

But hey, what would a butt fucker like you know about that?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> If Trump can call veterans losers and suckers, I sure as fucking
>>>>>>> hell
>>>>>>> can call Apple victims such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are those two related? "joel"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Related, no, metaphorically kind of the same use of language.
>>>>
>>>> OK. So?
>>>>
>>>> Why are YOU using it?
>>>
>>> Because I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
>>> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
>>> shit.
>>
>>Sorry, but things aren't "shit" because of their price.
>>
>>Have you looked at the benchmarks for that machine...
>>
>>...or better yet (since the Studio is quite a bit out-of-date), the Mac
>>Mini with an M4Pro, 48GB of RAM and 1TB drive for the same price?
>
>
> I have 32 GB RAM and a 1 TB NVMe drive, admittedly my CPU is older,
> but one doesn't always need more horsepower, I didn't break the bank
> to get what I have.

And a faction of the performance of Apple's offering.

You're like the guy driving a big heavy V8 that can barely get out of it's
own way. Some of the numbers might look great.. just don't look to closely
at the actual performance.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> I'm dumbfounded by the prices of Apple's hardware. $2000 for
>>>>> the Mac Studio with 32 GB RAM and 512 GB storage. What a piece of
>>>>> shit.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, but things aren't "shit" because of their price.
>>>>
>>>> Have you looked at the benchmarks for that machine...
>>>>
>>>> ...or better yet (since the Studio is quite a bit out-of-date), the Mac
>>>> Mini with an M4Pro, 48GB of RAM and 1TB drive for the same price?
>>>
>>> I have 32 GB RAM and a 1 TB NVMe drive, admittedly my CPU is older,
>>> but one doesn't always need more horsepower, I didn't break the bank
>>> to get what I have.
>>
>>You're still not addressing your claim that the Mac in question is a
>>"piece of shit".
>>
>>What a shocker.
>
>
> Relative to its price.

So, it's not about actual performance or the fact your job might be riding
on it.. just as long as it's cheap.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Now, why do you claim their software is "crap"...
>>>>
>>>> ...or is that just more of your bullshit?
>>>
>>> The software is where it really gets weird, the goofy Apple-centric
>>> interface, it's a fine Unix system under the hood to be sure, but who
>>> cares when Linux is a thing?
>>That's not an answer to why you claimed:
>>
>>'You're a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.'
>>
>>So I'll ask again.
>
>
> OK, well, you're paying a premium price for junk software. Is that
> clear enough?

Show us that it's "junk software", then tell us why the professionals use
it.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 17:03, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Now, why do you claim their software is "crap"...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...or is that just more of your bullshit?
>>>>
>>>> The software is where it really gets weird, the goofy Apple-centric
>>>> interface, it's a fine Unix system under the hood to be sure, but who
>>>> cares when Linux is a thing?
>>> That's not an answer to why you claimed:
>>>
>>> 'You're a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.'
>>>
>>> So I'll ask again.
>>
>>
>> OK, well, you're paying a premium price for junk software. Is that
>> clear enough?
>>
>
> You haven't yet explained WHY it is "junk software".

Well, at least he's stopped blaming the hardware....

Now I would love to see the performance numbers between his OS and what he
considers "junk software".

>
> That much is entirely clear.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> you claimed:
>>>>
>>>> 'You're a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.'
>>>>
>>>> So I'll ask again.
>>>
>>> OK, well, you're paying a premium price for junk software. Is that
>>> clear enough?
>>
>>You haven't yet explained WHY it is "junk software".
>>
>>That much is entirely clear.
>
>
> It's a toy, it's not serious,

So how many high end professionals find your system to be a "must have"?

> I mean you have very specific
> applications for macOS that are large, e.g. video editing, but not
> everyone does these things.

I see, so unless it's something EVERYONE uses.. then it's junk software..

In which metric Windows is FAR better than Linux.

> For the average personal-computer user,
> it's just wasted potential,

Windows

>you have this nice hardware running
> inferior software, it's powered by Unix to be sure, and has that
> potential within it, but most never realize that.

EVERY modern OS has Unix as it's base.

Windows is powered by Unix.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> you claimed:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'You're a sucker if you use Apple's crap hardware and software.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'll ask again.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, well, you're paying a premium price for junk software. Is that
>>>>> clear enough?
>>>>
>>>> You haven't yet explained WHY it is "junk software".
>>>>
>>>> That much is entirely clear.
>>>
>>> It's a toy, it's not serious, I mean you have very specific
>>
>>In what way is it "not serious"?
>
>
> They just aren't very good programmers,

In what way, and why do you think those who programmed Linux are in any
manner superior?

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 11/23/24 6:11 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have 32 GB RAM and a 1 TB NVMe drive, admittedly my CPU is older,
>>> but one doesn't always need more horsepower, I didn't break the bank
>>> to get what I have.
>>
>>Except that suitability depends on what one's use case is, and it
>>doesn't matter if we're talking about PCs or cars, or whatever.
>>
>>So yeah, if you're just drooling on USENET, then a 2017 vintage Mac
>>laptop would do you perfectly fine ... I'll sell you one for $199.
>>
>>OTOH, if your work products merit completing them in a timely fashion,
>>then computers are just like race cars: "Speed cost money. How fast can
>>you afford to go?"
>
>
> My CPU is a 2020 model, 10th gen Intel. My motherboard can accept
> 10th or 11th gen CPUs.

So to be clear, your computer is nothing special and would almost certainly
be unable to compete against a system you claim is "junk".

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>> I paid less to get high-end gear.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please remind me: just what's the specs of this claimed "high-end"
>>>>>> gear?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>
>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>
>>Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid more
>>for a name(!).
>
>
> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
> durability and quality.

So as long as it's well built and last a long time.. it doesn't need to be
fast.

That's what you're saying.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>On 11/24/24 3:21 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid less to get high-end gear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please remind me: just what's the specs of this claimed "high-
>>>>>>>>> end" gear?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid
>>>>> more
>>>>> for a name(!).
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>>> durability and quality.
>>>
>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>>While also snipping a whole bunch of other objective metrics.
>>
>>Gosh, it musta been another "accident"...
>>
>>...instead of a tacit admission through avoidance that he knows that he
>>can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>
>
> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.

Translation: I don’t care if it's fast or slow...

> I care about having a
> modern, reliable, functional system.

Which can be dirt slow as long as it looks good....

> And not breaking the bank to get
> it.

....and is cheap

So what were you saying about performance just a bit ago?

> Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.

Yea, like Linux isn't regularly being upgraded and updated.....

I mean I'm sure you are running a Linux x.x that you go 20 years ago..
because we know how much you have raged on MS for updating the Windows OS

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-24 13:06, Joel wrote:
>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>> On 11/24/24 3:21 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid less to get high-end gear.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please remind me: just what's the specs of this claimed "high-
>>>>>>>>>> end" gear?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that
>>>>>>>>> you'd
>>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid
>>>>>> more
>>>>>> for a name(!).
>>>>>
>>>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>>>> durability and quality.
>>>>
>>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>>> "bragging rights".
>>>
>>> While also snipping a whole bunch of other objective metrics.
>>>
>>> Gosh, it musta been another "accident"...
>>>
>>> ...instead of a tacit admission through avoidance that he knows that he
>>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>>
>>
>> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks. I care about having a
>> modern, reliable, functional system. And not breaking the bank to get
>> it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.
>>
>
> So you claim that Apple's hardware is "crap for the money"...
>
> ...but won't actually show how much you paid or how good it is.
>
> Got it.

I bet he has worse performance than the system he claimed was 'junk'.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>> he [JWC] knows that he
>>>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.
>>
>>But you're trying to make comparisons of different products, so you need
>>to have some objective methodology to assess each one's relative value.
>>Without that, you're just making a blind "Oranges vs Kiwis" comparison
>>without knowing what either fruit even tastes like.
>
>
> I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
> portal, music player, that kind of thing. macOS and Winblows are
> grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.

ROTFLMAO.... and after you have jumped on people, myself included, for
having older hardware/software to do THE EXACT SAME THING!

Beside, I'm pretty sure that both MacOS and Windows does EVERYTHING you
claim you need and both will do so much more seamlessly and faultlessly than
what you're using.

>The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
>and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
>systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.

ROTFLMAO....

I seem to recall not that long ago how you complained about how 'dated' my
system was and how I should throw it out and buy a 'new' better system.

How quickly we see that even your own metrics are inconsistent and
arbitrary.

How amusing to watch Joel's little computer house of cards implode.

For others:
M/B: ASUS Z170I Pro Gaming
CPU: i7-7700K
Memory: 16GB DDR4
Drives: 1Tb M.2 NVMe (Main)
5Tb 3.5" SATA (Storage)
2Tb 2.5" SSD SATA (Backup)
Case SilverStone SG05
OS: Win 7/11 in dual boot configuration.

This is a moderate portable system I use for work while on the road, and
while not particularly intended for gaming can perform adequately for any
games I would be playing on the road.
While it is admittedly nothing overwhelming it is a reasonably powerful and
highly portable system that accepts most full size dual slot graphics cards
with the necessary performance to run most games at a reasonable level of
speed. Yet, Joel considers it 'junk' purely because I still run Win 7/11
because I flat out refuse to buy newer versions of software that I already
own but which isn't supported by Win11.

I will note, his hardware, is not really that much different than mine which
he considers 'junk' only because I chose not to run Linux.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>
>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>
>>
>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>>
>
> So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
> computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
> necessary.
>
> There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
> distributor-using cars, too.
>
> But most people want to just get in and drive.

ROTFLMAO.. Nailed it

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>On 2024-11-23 12:27, Joel wrote:
>>> Wayne <wayne@ksu.e_> wrote:
>>>> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
>>>>> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
>>>>> that it's Unix.
>>>>
>>>> But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
>>>> your use of social media ebonics.
>>>
>>> I would not know about that BS. However, I have M$'s Copilot, in
>>> Linux. I created a Web app for it. :)
>>
>>So you can do something that 99.9% of the people who do want to use a
>>computer could never do, because they lack the time to learn the skill
>>necessary.
>>
>>There are people who do all the work on their own carbureted and
>>distributor-using cars, too.
>>
>>But most people want to just get in and drive.
>
>
> You're making my case, yep, people who refuse to learn anything get
> what they get. Which is paying money. They pay it for tech support,
> repairs, on and on. I rely on myself, and get incredible value for
> the dollar.

And yet, I bet you spent more on your system than I have on mine... which
you assert is junk purely because I have no use for Linux.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>>
>>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
>>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>>> the middleman.
>>
>>But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>>
>>And you may not need it.
>>
>>But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>>for you... ...you're just delusional.
>
>
> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.

So why use Mint when Window's already fills the need?

> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.

And yet, you've complained about the age of my computer and software..
apparently you think I should fill up the landfill and replace my
hardware/software with something you CLAIM would be better for the uses I
need and use it for... all without having a clue what those are.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 14:49, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>>>
>>>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>>>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
>>>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>>>> the middleman.
>>>
>>> But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>>>
>>> And you may not need it.
>>>
>>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>>
>>
>> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
>> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
>> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>>
>
> Yeah...
>
> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a sucker
> and a loser...
>
> ...right?

Well technically, he's a self admitted sucker.. and as for loser... he's
made that plain.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>>>>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix side
>>>>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>>>>> the middleman.
>>>>
>>>> But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>>>>
>>>> And you may not need it.
>>>>
>>>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>>>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>>>
>>> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
>>> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
>>> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>>
>>Yeah...
>>
>>Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>sucker and a loser...
>>
>>...right?
>
>
> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
> reality, I realize. M$ turned Windows 10 into a beta test of what
> became Win11.

No shit sherlock. This has been a standard for MS for a LONG time. Almost
from the very start even.

Yet it took you until Win10 to figure that out?

Man, I knew you were slow.. but never realized you were that slow.

> That means supported versions basically *are* Win11
> Light. Needing modern storage, realistically. Idiots with old
> desktops and laptops, refusing to think about switching to Linux, are
> creating landfill and/or third-world flea market material.

Or we just stick with an older version of Windows which we've already paid
for, have software for and which still suits our needs..

But you tell tell us we should throw it all out because we really need to
switch to something else.

Yea.. have you LISTENED to your own bullshit?

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 15:16, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Apple products require LESS tech support than the other choices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably true, they're so simple that an insect could operate them,
>>>>>> almost, there's nothing advanced until one ventures into the Unix
>>>>>> side
>>>>>> of the OS. But what do I need of that, when Linux exists? Take out
>>>>>> the middleman.
>>>>>
>>>>> But you have the Unix side as well as the easy side.
>>>>>
>>>>> And you may not need it.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>>>>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>>>>
>>>> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
>>>> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
>>>> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>>>
>>> Yeah...
>>>
>>> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>> sucker and a loser...
>>>
>>> ...right?
>>
>>
>> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
>> reality, I realize.
>
> Which is basically you saying "yes" but not wanting to make it obvious.
>
> You literally just said that everyone in the world "should be" consider a
> loser.

Even Joel by his OWN metrics that demands people should dump the stuff they
have now in favor of what HE asserts is better.
I mean if he had ANY consistency.. why would he be demanding I throw out the
computer, hardware and software I already have in favor of buying something
'new'.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it works
>>>>>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
>>>>> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
>>>>> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah...
>>>>
>>>> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>>> sucker and a loser...
>>>>
>>>> ...right?
>>>
>>> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
>>> reality, I realize.
>>
>>Which is basically you saying "yes" but not wanting to make it obvious.
>>
>>You literally just said that everyone in the world "should be" consider
>>a loser.
>
>
> In a perfect world, not in the real one.

You're still a loser in either one.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 16:11, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> But if you pretend that most people should use Linux because it
>>>>>>> works
>>>>>>> for you... ...you're just delusional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mint is easy enough. They basically reproduce Microsoft's interface.
>>>>>> If people are too stupid to even use that, well, enjoy your landfills
>>>>>> full of Dell laptops, dumbasses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah...
>>>>>
>>>>> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>>>> sucker and a loser...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...right?
>>>>
>>>> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
>>>> reality, I realize.
>>>
>>> Which is basically you saying "yes" but not wanting to make it obvious.
>>>
>>> You literally just said that everyone in the world "should be" consider
>>> a loser.
>>
>>
>> In a perfect world, not in the real one.
>
> I see.
>
> In your "perfect world" you are the final arbiter of who is a "loser".
>
> Is that your position?

I think you got it in one.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>>>>> sucker and a loser...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...right?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
>>>>> reality, I realize.
>>>>
>>>> Which is basically you saying "yes" but not wanting to make it obvious.
>>>>
>>>> You literally just said that everyone in the world "should be" consider
>>>> a loser.
>>>
>>> In a perfect world, not in the real one.
>>
>>I see.
>>
>>In your "perfect world" you are the final arbiter of who is a "loser".
>>
>>Is that your position?
>
>
> Haters gonna hate but they can't refute my knowledge and wisdom.

You are a hater, and you hate anyone that doesn't do what you've done.

As far as knowledge you have little and of wisdom you have even less.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 17:16, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> Everyone who doesn't see the world EXACTLY the way you see it is a
>>>>>>> sucker and a loser...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not quite like that, no, it should be perhaps, but reality is
>>>>>> reality, I realize.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is basically you saying "yes" but not wanting to make it
>>>>> obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> You literally just said that everyone in the world "should be"
>>>>> consider
>>>>> a loser.
>>>>
>>>> In a perfect world, not in the real one.
>>>
>>> I see.
>>>
>>> In your "perfect world" you are the final arbiter of who is a "loser".
>>>
>>> Is that your position?
>>
>>
>> Haters gonna hate but they can't refute my knowledge and wisdom. I am
>> the mortal being of the divine.
>
> Yeah...
>
> ...you're just an ass.
>
>>
>>
>>>>>> M$ turned Windows 10 into a beta test of what
>>>>>> became Win11. That means supported versions basically *are* Win11
>>>>>> Light. Needing modern storage, realistically. Idiots with old
>>>>>> desktops and laptops, refusing to think about switching to Linux, are
>>>>>> creating landfill and/or third-world flea market material. All they
>>>>>> would have to do is figure out how to install Mint. It's so simple,
>>>>>> but they beLIEve they need M$ or Apple. Just pathetic.
>>>>> There is nothing magic about Linux that prevents old machines from
>>>>> becoming too slow for modern software.
>>>>
>>>> Linux gives life to old computers. My computer is relatively new, and
>>>> still benefits from the advantages of Linux, but it's *essential* on
>>>> aging hardware, that chokes on Winblows 10, which is almost out of
>>>> support anyway.
>>> That may be an argument for problems in Windows.
>>>
>>> It's not an argument that only Linux can work well on old hardware.
>>
>>
>> Oh, if you want to run unsupported Windows versions, sure, you can do
>> that, but then where are you? It's ludicrous, how Winblows 10 still
>> pretends you can run it on a single-core, 2 GB RAM, spinning hard
>> drive, laughable.
>
> I knew you wouldn't get it.

I could have told you that before you started.
But hey, if I need bulk storage I can pick up a multi Terabyte hard drive
for a fraction of the cost of a new SSD or NVMe
Plus since I already have several such drives the cost is even lower and I
don't have to dump them in the landfill as Josh would suggest be done with
them.

"Joel" <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> In your "perfect world" you are the final arbiter of who is a "loser".
>>>>
>>>> Is that your position?
>>>
>>> Haters gonna hate but they can't refute my knowledge and wisdom. I am
>>> the mortal being of the divine.
>>
>>Yeah...
>>
>>...you're just an ass.
>
>
> I'm edgy, yeah. But I can back up what I'm saying.

When do you plan to start?

> M$ and Apple are
> about money. Linux is about freedom.

Freedom?

I thought freedom was about making your OWN choices.. yet here you are
demanding that everyone make the same choice you did...
...isn't that the opposite of freedom?

I mean if you were truly about freedom.. you wouldn't care what OS they
chose to use or which version.

Yet instead you're there demanding everyone switch as you have and to throw
out their current software/hardware to match what you assert is better for
us.

No choice.. more waste... fuller landfills.. the exact OPPOSITE of what you
claim you stand for.

"Alan" <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in message
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> On 2024-11-23 18:07, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> In your "perfect world" you are the final arbiter of who is a "loser".
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that your position?
>>>>
>>>> Haters gonna hate but they can't refute my knowledge and wisdom. I am
>>>> the mortal being of the divine.
>>>
>>> Yeah...
>>>
>>> ...you're just an ass.
>>
>>
>> I'm edgy, yeah. But I can back up what I'm saying. M$ and Apple are
>> about money. Linux is about freedom.
>
> No. You're not edgy.
>
> You're just overly impressed with yourself.

And demanding that everyone make the same choices he has and F&*k their
freedom to decide for themselves.