On 2024-11-24 13:06, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 11/24/24 3:21 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I paid less to get high-end gear.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Please remind me: just what's the specs of this claimed "high-
>>>>>>>>> end" gear?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me:  what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"?  For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bragging rights?  I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid more
>>>>> for a name(!).
>>>>
>>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>>> people might realize.  It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>>> durability and quality.
>>>
>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>> While also snipping a whole bunch of other objective metrics.
>>
>> Gosh, it musta been another "accident"...
>>
>> ...instead of a tacit admission through avoidance that he knows that he
>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>
>
> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks. I care about having a
> modern, reliable, functional system. And not breaking the bank to get
> it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.
>

So you claim that Apple's hardware is "crap for the money"...

....but won't actually show how much you paid or how good it is.

Got it.

On 2024-11-24 13:00, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-24 11:39, Joel wrote:
>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>
>>>> Bragging rights? I certainly hope you're not saying that you paid more
>>>> for a name(!).
>>>
>>> The motherboard is more relevant to overall quality than a lot of
>>> people might realize. It's not paying for a name, it's paying for
>>> durability and quality.
>>
>> You're the one who literally said:
>>
>> "bragging rights".
>
>
> Yeah, but not about the name, about how good equipment I selected.
>

If you won't discuss benchmarks, it's not about how good the the
equipment actually is.

On 2024-11-24 13:03, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-24 11:40, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>
>>>> "bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy" self.
>>>
>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>> la, such garbage.
>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>
>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>
>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>
>
> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>

Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be checked.

Colour me shocked.

And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
Linux?

On 2024-11-24 13:39, Peter wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not if your applications are web served, then the desktop platform becomes
>>> irrelevant.
>>
>> Sure, but the market still isn't buying thin client PCs.
>
> The iOS iPhone/iPad is a "thin-client" PC by the very definition that it
> requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers to do anything useful.

I'm sorry, but that's false.

>
> Try to get an app without logging into Apple's mainframe servers, for
> example, or try to use messaging the way you like or Facetime or almost
> anything inside of Apple's mainframe walled garden. It just won't work.

You can use messaging on an iPhone without logging into Apple's servers.

Sorry.

>
> Google designed Chrome OS to be a carbon copy of Apple's iOS.
>
> There's no difference between iOS & Chrome OS in any meaningful way.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>On 2024-11-24 13:03, Joel wrote:
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-11-24 11:40, Joel wrote:
>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> "bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy" self.
>>>>
>>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>>> la, such garbage.
>>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>>
>>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>>
>>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>>
>> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
>> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
>> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
>> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
>> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>
>Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be checked.
>
>Colour me shocked.
>
>And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>Linux?

The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:

>User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
>OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI
>
>Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>>>> la, such garbage.
>>>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>>>
>>>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>>>
>>> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
>>> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
>>> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
>>> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
>>> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>>
>>Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be checked.
>>
>>Colour me shocked.
>>
>>And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>>Linux?
>
>The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.

Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 14:16, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-11-24 13:03, Joel wrote:
>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-11-24 11:40, Joel wrote:
>>>>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-11-24 04:59, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/23/24 8:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have a Gigabyte AORUS motherboard, not some no-name junk that you'd
>>>>>>>>> get in a prefab box on Newegg for a hot price, ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, doesn't mean much to me: what's its salient characteristics
>>>>>>>> which relate to it being "high-end"? For example, is it PCI5 or 4?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's meant for elite gaming systems, I wanted it for the
>>>>>>> expandability, bragging rights, reliability over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "bragging rights" says all I really need to know about your "edgy" self.
>>>>>
>>>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>>>> la, such garbage.
>>>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>>>
>>>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>>>
>>> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
>>> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
>>> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
>>> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
>>> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>>
>> Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be checked.
>>
>> Colour me shocked.
>>
>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>> Linux?
>
>
> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>

That didn't actually answer my question.

Of course, that's pretty much your MO, so...

On 2024-11-24 14:30, Joel wrote:
> Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> User-Agent: ForteAgent/8.00.32.1272
>> OS: Debian 12, with Wine 9.0 for WinAPI
>>
>> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Uh huh, like Apple drones don't brag about their purchases, give me a
>>>>>> break, they lord it over people, oh look at me affording Apple, la la
>>>>>> la, such garbage.
>>>>> Show me an example of such a post.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen folks such as yourself claim it...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...but I don't believe I've ever seen it.
>>>>
>>>> On IRC, a guy who's a professional photographer uses Photoshop and
>>>> other Adobe apps under macOS, talks smack about Linux and GIMP. Acts
>>>> like it's so elite to use a Mac, I had Windows 11 Pro retail, I had
>>>> Photoshop still active when I got rid of it, because I wanted Linux.
>>>> That's how much advantage one gets with Linux.
>>>
>>> Wow. One guy and the claims you make about what he's said can't be checked.
>>>
>>> Colour me shocked.
>>>
>>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>>> Linux?
>>
>> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>
>
> Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
> needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
> is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
> no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.
So you use WiNE...

....so you can run Windows software (well, some of it).

Methinks thou dost...

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>>> Linux?
>>
>> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>
>That didn't actually answer my question.
>
>Of course, that's pretty much your MO, so...

It's not about money, is the thing. That's all imaginary. It's about
production. I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
>> needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
>> is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
>> no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.
>So you use WiNE...
>
>...so you can run Windows software (well, some of it).
>
>Methinks thou dost...

Most of my software is native Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 14:45, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
>>> needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
>>> is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
>>> no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.
>> So you use WiNE...
>>
>> ...so you can run Windows software (well, some of it).
>>
>> Methinks thou dost...
>
>
> Most of my software is native Linux.

Sure.

I notice you automatically declare anything YOU use to be "the best".

On 2024-11-24 14:44, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>> And how does what you decided to stop paying for prove ANY advantage for
>>>> Linux?
>>>
>>> The advantage is that I'm not roped to Microsoft's bloatware OS. I
>>> can do my work with a sensible OS, Linux.
>>
>> That didn't actually answer my question.
>>
>> Of course, that's pretty much your MO, so...
>
>
> It's not about money, is the thing. That's all imaginary. It's about
> production. I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.
This is sounding a lot more like a cult thing with you...

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>>>> Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
>>>> needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
>>>> is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
>>>> no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.
>>> So you use WiNE...
>>>
>>> ...so you can run Windows software (well, some of it).
>>>
>>> Methinks thou dost...
>>
>> Most of my software is native Linux.
>
>Sure.
>
>I notice you automatically declare anything YOU use to be "the best".

It's fairly self-evident that Forte Agent is the best GUI newsreader.
It is reasonable to say that apps like Photoshop and Microsoft Office
are superior, but if it requires running a commercial OS, screw it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
>> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
>> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.
>This is sounding a lot more like a cult thing with you...

I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/24/24 4:06 PM, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>> On 11/24/24 3:21 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> ...
>>> You're the one who literally said:
>>> "bragging rights".
>>
>> While also snipping a whole bunch of other objective metrics.
>>
>> Gosh, it musta been another "accident"...
>>
>> ...instead of a tacit admission through avoidance that he knows that he
>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>
>
> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.

But you're trying to make comparisons of different products, so you need
to have some objective methodology to assess each one's relative value.
Without that, you're just making a blind "Oranges vs Kiwis" comparison
without knowing what either fruit even tastes like.

> I care about having a modern, reliable, functional system. And not
> breaking the bank to get it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.

Just what upgrades are these which you're referring to? Be specific.

Because Apple has been criticized for the past ~decade because most of
their Macs' hardware is no longer user-upgradable, which makes your
claim effectively impossible.

In any event, I've already looked at what info you've provided and noted
how CPU & RAM performance levels are roughly half of what you chose to
compare them against: how much would it cost you to upgrade your
current system to have double the performance on these two metrics?

Not that you personally need it, but to determine if your claim that a
Studio was overpriced truely is due to brand, not hardware specs.

-hh

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:

>>> he [JWC] knows that he
>>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>>
>> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.
>
>But you're trying to make comparisons of different products, so you need
>to have some objective methodology to assess each one's relative value.
>Without that, you're just making a blind "Oranges vs Kiwis" comparison
>without knowing what either fruit even tastes like.

I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
portal, music player, that kind of thing. macOS and Winblows are
grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.

>> I care about having a modern, reliable, functional system. And not
>> breaking the bank to get it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.
>
>Just what upgrades are these which you're referring to? Be specific.
>
>Because Apple has been criticized for the past ~decade because most of
>their Macs' hardware is no longer user-upgradable, which makes your
>claim effectively impossible.
>
>In any event, I've already looked at what info you've provided and noted
>how CPU & RAM performance levels are roughly half of what you chose to
>compare them against: how much would it cost you to upgrade your
>current system to have double the performance on these two metrics?
>
>Not that you personally need it, but to determine if your claim that a
>Studio was overpriced truely is due to brand, not hardware specs.

The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 03:41, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Alan wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>
>> On 2024-11-23 14:05, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>> Klaus Schadenfreude wrote this post while blinking in Morse code:
>>>
>>>> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>>>>
>>>>> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>>>> where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>>>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>>>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>>>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>>>>
>>>> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
>>>> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!
>>>>
>>>> ROFLMAO
>>>
>>> There are far more shitty Windows apps.
>>
>> When there are far more apps overall, there are going to be more shitty
>> ones as well.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>>> Anyway, I do what I do, on Linux, no Wine. I do boot to Windows to make sure my
>>> code runs on it as well.
>>>
>> Sure. And those who are technically versed and willing to spend more
>> time on setting up the system can use Linux and be happy.
>
> You can buy computers with Linux pre-installed, e.g. from System76.
>
> But hey, stick with Windows if you want. Just don't slag on people who
> use Linux.
>

I don't; use Windows or slag on people who use Linux.

On 2024-11-24 15:33, Joel wrote:
> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>>> he [JWC] knows that he
>>>> can't support his assertion that he made a rational product decision.
>>>
>>> Incorrect. I don't care about benchmarks.
>>
>> But you're trying to make comparisons of different products, so you need
>> to have some objective methodology to assess each one's relative value.
>> Without that, you're just making a blind "Oranges vs Kiwis" comparison
>> without knowing what either fruit even tastes like.
>
>
> I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
> portal, music player, that kind of thing. macOS and Winblows are
> grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.

In what specific way is macOS "grossly inferior"?

>
>
>>> I care about having a modern, reliable, functional system. And not
>>> breaking the bank to get it. Apple and M$ are endlessly requiring upgrades.
>>
>> Just what upgrades are these which you're referring to? Be specific.
>>
>> Because Apple has been criticized for the past ~decade because most of
>> their Macs' hardware is no longer user-upgradable, which makes your
>> claim effectively impossible.
>>
>> In any event, I've already looked at what info you've provided and noted
>> how CPU & RAM performance levels are roughly half of what you chose to
>> compare them against: how much would it cost you to upgrade your
>> current system to have double the performance on these two metrics?
>>
>> Not that you personally need it, but to determine if your claim that a
>> Studio was overpriced truely is due to brand, not hardware specs.
>
>
> The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
> and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
> systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.
Is it?

On 2024-11-24 15:09, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Notice, I'm even using the best GUI newsreader, Forte Agent, without
>>>>> needing Windows. It's the primary reason I use Wine, although EncSpot
>>>>> is another great tool, which works well under it. No need for a VM,
>>>>> no need to boot M$. I have Copilot, as a Web app, no need for Win11.
>>>> So you use WiNE...
>>>>
>>>> ...so you can run Windows software (well, some of it).
>>>>
>>>> Methinks thou dost...
>>>
>>> Most of my software is native Linux.
>>
>> Sure.
>>
>> I notice you automatically declare anything YOU use to be "the best".
>
>
> It's fairly self-evident that Forte Agent is the best GUI newsreader.

"Self-evident" is just another way of saying "I have no actual evidence".

> It is reasonable to say that apps like Photoshop and Microsoft Office
> are superior, but if it requires running a commercial OS, screw it.
OHHHHH!

It's the fact that the OS is COMMERCIAL that's important, is it?

On 2024-11-24 15:10, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I flushed the money I spent on Win10/11 and Photoshop,
>>> and Norton for that matter, it's all a write-off, because I wanted to
>>> stop poisoning my precious computer with corporate crapware.
>> This is sounding a lot more like a cult thing with you...
>
>
> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>

As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and "commercial".

Peter <confused@nospam.net> wrote in news:vi06ea$2dcm7$1@dont-email.me:

> -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>
>>> Not if your applications are web served, then the desktop platform
>>> becomes irrelevant.
>>
>> Sure, but the market still isn't buying thin client PCs.
>
> The iOS iPhone/iPad is a "thin-client" PC by the very definition that
> it requires logging into Apple's mainframe servers to do anything
> useful.
>
> Try to get an app without logging into Apple's mainframe servers, for
> example, or try to use messaging the way you like or Facetime or
> almost anything inside of Apple's mainframe walled garden. It just
> won't work.
>
> Google designed Chrome OS to be a carbon copy of Apple's iOS.
>
> There's no difference between iOS & Chrome OS in any meaningful way.

ChromeOS beats the pants off iOS. It's more versatile and IMHO more
stable.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
>> portal, music player, that kind of thing. macOS and Winblows are
>> grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.
>
>In what specific way is macOS "grossly inferior"?

Having to purchase it at Apple's prices. Having to use inferior
software.

>> The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
>> and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
>> systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.
>Is it?

Even my previous 2010-assembled computer would be pretty decent, with
Linux. Not with Win10.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-24 16:20, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm not doing data processing, I'm using a computer as an Internet
>>> portal, music player, that kind of thing. macOS and Winblows are
>>> grossly inferior to Linux, for my purposes.
>>
>> In what specific way is macOS "grossly inferior"?
>
>
> Having to purchase it at Apple's prices.

Not an actual factor of "grossly inferior".

> Having to use inferior
> software.

And that's a circular argument.

>
>
>>> The upgrade is of the whole system, yes, that's the point. Landfills
>>> and third-world countries receive the wasted corporate crapware
>>> systems. Whereas my box is still virtually brand new, to me.
>> Is it?
>
>
> Even my previous 2010-assembled computer would be pretty decent, with
> Linux. Not with Win10.
Not addressing the question I asked.

Have you actually upgraded your current system?

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> It is reasonable to say that apps like Photoshop and Microsoft Office
>> are superior, but if it requires running a commercial OS, screw it.
>OHHHHH!
>
>It's the fact that the OS is COMMERCIAL that's important, is it?

It wouldn't be, if M$ and Apple weren't just about getting more and
more money. The way Microsoft pretends that Windows 10 today is still
the same thing, as it was when it was first released in 2015, is just
ridiculous. People using these ancient computers with it. It's a
farce.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> I value my computer. Linux is the best thing to put on it.
>
>As I said: it's a cult where you don't like "corporate" and "commercial".

Not when such abuse me, right.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.