For a brief moment earlier this month, I thought an old acquaintance had
passed away. I was still groggy one morning when I checked my phone to
find a notification delivering the news. "Obituary shared,"� the message
bluntly said, followed by his name. But when I opened my phone, I
learned that he was very much still alive. Apple's latest software
update was to blame: A new feature that uses AI to summarize iPhone
notifications had distorted the original text message. It wasn't my
acquaintance who had died, but a relative of his. That's whose obituary
I had received.

These notification summaries are perhaps the most visible part of Apple
Intelligence, the company's long-awaited suite of AI features, which
officially began to roll out last month. (It's compatible with only
certain devices.) We are living in push-notification hell, and Apple
Intelligence promises to collapse the incessant stream of notifications
into pithy recaps. Instead of setting your iPhone aside while you shower
and returning to nine texts, four emails, and two calendar alerts, you
can now return to a few brief Apple Intelligence summaries.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/apple-
intelligence-text-messages/680717/

Iphones are for stupid people.

Warren <warrenf@gmail.com> wrote:

>Iphones are for stupid people.

I've never owned one. Just Samsung. It's what I like.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 09:09:48 -0500 :

>>Iphones are for stupid people.
>
> I've never owned one. Just Samsung. It's what I like.

Apple owners are basically ignorant people swayed by brilliant marketing.

None of them even know that Apple has never fully supported more than a
single release at a time. Never. They "think" Apple fully supports older
releases - which - let's be clear - every other oS vender does.

But not Apple.
Yet Apple owners think they have the best support.

When it turns out, they have the worst support (by far!).
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
<https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>

While Microsoft has the best full support in the industry, even Google &
Samsung promise 7 years of full support while Apple only promises 5.
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/technology/personaltech/smartphones-software-update-ios-android.html>
<https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>

Apple owners only know what Apple marketing fed them to believe.

I own plenty of iPhones, iPads and Android phones (Samsung, Motorola, LG,
etc.) where extremely few people understand the real differences between
them. Mostly the iPHone can't do anything that Android does.

And yet, there's NOTHING the iPhone can do that Android can't do.
Especially if the Android users decide to log into mainframes out there.

Then there is absolutely nothing the walled garden has over Android.
Nor Windows.

The iPhone is a dumb terminal.
It's not a smart phone at all.

It can't do anything if the user doesn't log into Cupertino mainframes.
Nothing.

The mainframe server does all that walled-garden stuff.

The "walled garden" is a euphemism for the "mainframe server concept".

Notwithstanding most Android owners log into Google's Palo Alto mainframes
too, at least Android works just fine WITHOUT logging into that mainframe.

Microsoft Windows too.

Since most functionality is from app developers, and since Google can't
limit what developers provide but Apple not only can - but does - there is
never going to be any useful functionality on an iPhone that isn't already
on Android - and worse - much worse - there is tons (and tons) of
functionality on Android that will never be on the iPhone, e.g.,
app launchers, system firewalls, alternate app repos, wi-fi debuggers,
cellular debuggers, side-by-side OS (like Andronix), automatic call
recording (emphasis on automatic), gps location spoofing, complete
automation, true file system explorers, choices for most default apps,
free youtube players without ads, free search engines that have the
filters you really want, audio controls galore, camera settings that
make sense (and on and on and on where the iPhone is a dumb device).

Even fewer people understand the type of person who stands in long lines
outside the Apple store because they can't wait to trade in their old
iPhone (notice that's what they're actually doing!) for a "better" one.

There's a lesson in those words above in the strange psychology of the
typical Apple owner. They've been told their entire lives that they're
stupid - but - Apple tells them they're geniuses for standing outside the
Apple store all night to get rid of their old iPhone at a fraction of what
it cost them, only to replace it with something that costs twice what it's
worth and which can't do anything that Android has done for years.

Worse, Apple doesn't tell them that the iPhone is the most exploited phone
in history - by far - which the government reports reliably every day!
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

Microsoft being crap too notwithstanding, Apple products are vulnerable:
<https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/Apple.html>

On 11/21/2024 10:00 PM, Warren wrote:
> For a brief moment earlier this month, I thought an old acquaintance had
> passed away. I was still groggy one morning when I checked my phone to
> find a notification delivering the news. "Obituary shared,"ť the message
> bluntly said, followed by his name. But when I opened my phone, I
> learned that he was very much still alive. Apple's latest software
> update was to blame: A new feature that uses AI to summarize iPhone
> notifications had distorted the original text message. It wasn't my
> acquaintance who had died, but a relative of his. That's whose obituary
> I had received.
>
> These notification summaries are perhaps the most visible part of Apple
> Intelligence, the company's long-awaited suite of AI features, which
> officially began to roll out last month. (It's compatible with only
> certain devices.) We are living in push-notification hell, and Apple
> Intelligence promises to collapse the incessant stream of notifications
> into pithy recaps. Instead of setting your iPhone aside while you shower
> and returning to nine texts, four emails, and two calendar alerts, you
> can now return to a few brief Apple Intelligence summaries.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/apple-
> intelligence-text-messages/680717/
>
> Iphones are for stupid people.
>

This was reported about a week ago on Slashdot. I liked the
example of the geek who got breakup texts from his girlfriend that
were synopsized as something like, "She's no longer in a relationship.
Wants her stuff back." The man commented that it was a good
synopsis. :)

The problem here is not iPhones per se but rather the feverish
romance the public is having with so-called AI. Apple, predictably
lacking any principles, is jumping on AI to set iPhone apart. Even if AI
isn't really very useful, it will get overused until the fad wears out.
I found it more disturbing to read recently that people are making
AI software to help people write. Young people already don't
know how to use capitalization and punctuation. Now they won't
even learn to form thoughts. Their friends will text to ask, "Do
you want to join us at the concert tonight?" Then the recipient
can simply speak "Fuck that." into the AI software and it will send
a response, "Thanks, but I'm not really feeling up to it tonight."

On 22.11.24 04:00, Warren wrote:
> For a brief moment earlier this month, I thought an old acquaintance had
> passed away. I was still groggy one morning when I checked my phone to
> find a notification delivering the news. "Obituary shared,"ť the message
> bluntly said, followed by his name. But when I opened my phone, I
> learned that he was very much still alive. Apple's latest software
> update was to blame: A new feature that uses AI to summarize iPhone
> notifications had distorted the original text message. It wasn't my
> acquaintance who had died, but a relative of his. That's whose obituary
> I had received.
>
> These notification summaries are perhaps the most visible part of Apple
> Intelligence, the company's long-awaited suite of AI features, which
> officially began to roll out last month. (It's compatible with only
> certain devices.) We are living in push-notification hell, and Apple
> Intelligence promises to collapse the incessant stream of notifications
> into pithy recaps. Instead of setting your iPhone aside while you shower
> and returning to nine texts, four emails, and two calendar alerts, you
> can now return to a few brief Apple Intelligence summaries.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/apple-
> intelligence-text-messages/680717/
>
> Iphones are for stupid people.

*ROTFLSTC*
Injection-Info: news.mixmin.net

*You are dead*

Excessive X-posting deleted

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 16:25:43 -0000 (UTC), Andrew wrote:

> While Microsoft has the best full support in the industry ...

But Microsoft don’t make any mobile devices.

On 2024-11-22 08:25, Andrew wrote:
> Joel wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 09:09:48 -0500 :
>
>>> Iphones are for stupid people.
>>
>> I've never owned one. Just Samsung. It's what I like.
>
> Apple owners are basically ignorant people swayed by brilliant marketing.
>

Oh, look!

A reply full of stuff that is not in any way on topic.

> None of them even know that Apple has never fully supported more than a
> single release at a time. Never. They "think" Apple fully supports older
> releases - which - let's be clear - every other oS vender does.
>
>
> But not Apple.
> Yet Apple owners think they have the best support.
>
> When it turns out, they have the worst support (by far!).
> <https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>
> <https://hothardware.com/news/apple-admits-only-fully-patches-security-flaws-in-latest-os-releases>
> <https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/10/apple-clarifies-security-update-policy-only-the-latest-oses-are-fully-patched/>
>
> While Microsoft has the best full support in the industry, even Google &
> Samsung promise 7 years of full support while Apple only promises 5.
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/technology/personaltech/smartphones-software-update-ios-android.html>
> <https://www.androidauthority.com/iphone-software-support-commitment-3449135/>
>
> Apple owners only know what Apple marketing fed them to believe.
>
> I own plenty of iPhones, iPads and Android phones (Samsung, Motorola, LG,
> etc.) where extremely few people understand the real differences between
> them. Mostly the iPHone can't do anything that Android does.
>
> And yet, there's NOTHING the iPhone can do that Android can't do.
> Especially if the Android users decide to log into mainframes out there.
>
> Then there is absolutely nothing the walled garden has over Android.
> Nor Windows.
>
> The iPhone is a dumb terminal.
> It's not a smart phone at all.
>
> It can't do anything if the user doesn't log into Cupertino mainframes.
> Nothing.
>
> The mainframe server does all that walled-garden stuff.
>
> The "walled garden" is a euphemism for the "mainframe server concept".
>
> Notwithstanding most Android owners log into Google's Palo Alto mainframes
> too, at least Android works just fine WITHOUT logging into that mainframe.
>
> Microsoft Windows too.
>
> Since most functionality is from app developers, and since Google can't
> limit what developers provide but Apple not only can - but does - there is
> never going to be any useful functionality on an iPhone that isn't already
> on Android - and worse - much worse - there is tons (and tons) of
> functionality on Android that will never be on the iPhone, e.g.,
> app launchers, system firewalls, alternate app repos, wi-fi debuggers,
> cellular debuggers, side-by-side OS (like Andronix), automatic call
> recording (emphasis on automatic), gps location spoofing, complete
> automation, true file system explorers, choices for most default apps,
> free youtube players without ads, free search engines that have the
> filters you really want, audio controls galore, camera settings that
> make sense (and on and on and on where the iPhone is a dumb device).
>
> Even fewer people understand the type of person who stands in long lines
> outside the Apple store because they can't wait to trade in their old
> iPhone (notice that's what they're actually doing!) for a "better" one.
>
> There's a lesson in those words above in the strange psychology of the
> typical Apple owner. They've been told their entire lives that they're
> stupid - but - Apple tells them they're geniuses for standing outside the
> Apple store all night to get rid of their old iPhone at a fraction of what
> it cost them, only to replace it with something that costs twice what it's
> worth and which can't do anything that Android has done for years.
>
> Worse, Apple doesn't tell them that the iPhone is the most exploited phone
> in history - by far - which the government reports reliably every day!
> <https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>
>
> Microsoft being crap too notwithstanding, Apple products are vulnerable:
> <https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-49/Apple.html>

On 2024-11-21 19:00, Warren wrote:
> For a brief moment earlier this month, I thought an old acquaintance had
> passed away. I was still groggy one morning when I checked my phone to
> find a notification delivering the news. "Obituary shared,"ť the message
> bluntly said, followed by his name. But when I opened my phone, I
> learned that he was very much still alive. Apple's latest software
> update was to blame: A new feature that uses AI to summarize iPhone
> notifications had distorted the original text message. It wasn't my
> acquaintance who had died, but a relative of his. That's whose obituary
> I had received.
>
> These notification summaries are perhaps the most visible part of Apple
> Intelligence, the company's long-awaited suite of AI features, which
> officially began to roll out last month. (It's compatible with only
> certain devices.) We are living in push-notification hell, and Apple
> Intelligence promises to collapse the incessant stream of notifications
> into pithy recaps. Instead of setting your iPhone aside while you shower
> and returning to nine texts, four emails, and two calendar alerts, you
> can now return to a few brief Apple Intelligence summaries.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/11/apple-
> intelligence-text-messages/680717/
>
> Iphones are for stupid people.

No one forces you to use those synopses...

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 20:47:26 -0000 (UTC) :

>> While Microsoft has the best full support in the industry ...
>
> But Microsoft don't make any mobile devices.

Microsoft's hotfix support for Windows is the best in the industry.
For example, my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.

And Microsoft fully supports multiple concurrent releases (which are
currently Windows 10 & Windows 11 but these change over time).

Google & Samsung were forced to tell the EU in writing how long they fully
support their latest phones and they reported that it was seven years.

Apple was also forced to put it in writing, and they are only five years.
But what's much worse about Apple is that Apple has *never* fully supported
two releases at the same time. Never in its entire history.

So Apple has the worst support both in releases and in time frame.
There's a reason the iPhone is the most exploited phone in history.

Notice you won't hear that from Apple's (brilliant) Marketing.
But the government publishes the report every day of active exploits.
<https://www.cisa.gov/known-exploited-vulnerabilities-catalog>

And notice Apple obfuscates that they only fully support one release.
But security researchers forced Apple's hand & Apple had to admit it.
<https://screenrant.com/apple-product-security-update-lifespan/>

Bear in mind, until iOS 16, Apple didn't even have a way to patch bugs
without writing a whole new operating system even if 1 line of code
changed. With the advent of iOS 16 RSRs, Apple joined the modern world.
<https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201224>

It's interesting how powerful (brilliant) propaganda is when most people
who are ignorant of these details think Apple has the best hotfix support.

When it's Apple actually, who has the worst hotfix support by far in the
industry.

-hh wrote on Fri, 22 Nov 2024 13:39:24 -0500 :

> In any event, I'd really want to see a clear comparison laydown of just
> what personal information is really required for using Vendor A vs B
> before trying to condemn any one vendor.
>
> For example, for setting up an Android phone, my understanding is that
> you're required to provide a Google Account, and to get a Google Account
> requires providing full name, phone#, date of birth, gender, & location.
> Gosh, that sounds to be more obtrusive than Apple...is it?

For Windows, Microsoft would love for you to provide an account, for
reasons which are obvious, but there is no requirement for an account.

Not even on Windows 11 where Microsoft tried to copy Apple's model.

For Linux, I'm sure you're aware there is no requirement to create an
account, so again, no personal information is required of you to use it.

For Android, there is also no requirement whatsoever for an account.

Google has always allowed you to obtain software from the Google Play Store
WITHOUT setting up an account, and of course, anywhere else too.

I have over 900 apps installed on my Android phone, for example, most of
which are off the Google Play Store and I have no Google account set up.

It's only Apple that requires that account.

In reality, you do NOT have to set up an account on an Apple iOS device.
But... it won't be able to do anything.

At least a Windows, Linux & Android device works just fine without the
account, but the Apple device is even more crippled than normal with it.

Let me know if you have any other questions as I use them all personally.

Klaus Schadenfreude wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 05:16:08 -0800 :

>>>my desktop is from 2009 and it currently has Windows 10 on it,
>>>where I've had full hotfix support since then for no additional cost.
>>
>>
>>Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>>just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>>even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>>kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>
> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!

As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.

But Microsoft won't let me upgrade it to Windows 11, as you noted.
So my old desktop may no longer get me past the next couple of years.

Having come from SunOS/VAXvms/Masscomp and IBM mainframes before that, I
wouldn't expect the old PDP 11 I used in grad school to still be working.

But a Windows PC?
Microsoft supports them virtually forever for full OS hotfix support.

And after that, I can put Ubuntu or Centos back on it if I wanted.
(I used to dual boot to them so I still have that damn grub menu.)

But lately, I ditched Linux 'cuz Windows does what I need it to do.
(Mostly Microsoft Office is what I use day in and day out.)

And yes, I've tried *all* the office look-alike suites.
They're just not the same.

Still, I love Linux just as much as I loved hex programming the 68701.
You can do anything with it.

But we're talking about full hotfix support here.
Full hotfix support means fixing EVERY bug known to the OS vendor.

Linux is good for that.
Microsoft is great for that too.
Apple? Not so much.

In fact, Apple sucks like you can't believe at that.

Apple's hotfix support, by contrast, is the worst in the industry.
Apple never has fully supported more than one release at a time.

It's published information (see my prior links).

At least Microsoft supports multiple Windows releases concurrently.
And Microsoft had offered free OS upgrades for a very long time.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:

>As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.

You have low standards. 10 was great for my machine, built in 2021
with a 10th gen i5 CPU and NVMe storage, but 11 23H2 was already
getting more bloated than I care to use, and I've been solidly with
Linux for the last year. Win10 is a dead end, and the only salvation
for your ancient machine would be Linux.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Joel wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:17:49 -0500 :

>>As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>>This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.
>
> You have low standards. 10 was great for my machine, built in 2021
> with a 10th gen i5 CPU and NVMe storage, but 11 23H2 was already
> getting more bloated than I care to use, and I've been solidly with
> Linux for the last year. Win10 is a dead end, and the only salvation
> for your ancient machine would be Linux.

I hear you, but I'm an octogenarian who took classes on an IBM 1130 in
Fortran IV with card readers (the paper tape reader was still in the
elevated-floor computer room but I never used it) and magtape racks.

Since it was Fortran IV, it was well before 1977 that I started with
computers, so I used every variant of operating system consumers use.

Linux is fine. What's really nice is awk, sed, grep, etc., though.
But at this point, I'm mostly using Microsoft Office & Paint.NET.

I used to dual boot, especially when I wanted to edit files that Windows
wouldn't let me edit but Ubunto would. Ubuntu is also great for working
with iOS devices since iFuse works around all of Apple's restrictions.

It's intereting but only we Linux folks understand iOS well.
The Apple trolls don't know anything about anything - least of all iOS.

For example, none of them can turn their iPhone/iPad into a USB stick:
<https://i.postimg.cc/NFkXsJ0X/files01.jpg> iOS/Win is 1-way & DCIM only
<https://i.postimg.cc/L8b18Zmx/files02.jpg> iOS "Files" is nothing useful
<https://i.postimg.cc/d3SGkdgr/files03.jpg> Android is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/QMk7tvZW/files04.jpg> Ubuntu is two way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/qqg61Rh8/files05.jpg> Ubuntu, movies _to_ iOS on USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/Jhmy9KH7/files06.jpg> Ubuntu iFuse is just magical
<https://i.postimg.cc/KjK4nHwf/files07.jpg> Ubuntu is two-way, everything
<https://i.postimg.cc/3xcCBngd/files08.jpg> iOS is a dumb brick on Windows
<https://i.postimg.cc/mDx3xkp4/files09.jpg> iOS is only DCIM & only 1-way
<https://i.postimg.cc/9MGdc2s7/files10.jpg> Android is 2-way fast over USB
<https://i.postimg.cc/cChf8mx1/files11.jpg> iOS requires hacks to copy
<https://i.postimg.cc/pVJf72fN/files12.jpg> iOS hacks very often will fail
<https://i.postimg.cc/g269S8rT/files13.jpg> How does macOS work with iOS?
<https://i.postimg.cc/s2x0f9Js/files14.jpg> Linux, win10 & iOS together

You just boot up Ubuntu and the entire iPad is an accessible USB stick!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios180.jpg> Read & write all!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios170.jpg> Anywhere you want
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios160.jpg> Any file you want
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios150.jpg> Copy Win10 to iOS
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios140.jpg> read & write iOS
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios130.jpg> iFuse mounts all!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios120.jpg> iFuse mounts iOS
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios110.jpg> iFuse mounts Windows
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios100.jpg> iFuse is Ubuntu native
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios090.jpg> Which nobody knows!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios080.jpg> This is the trick!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios070.jpg> If you know a trick
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios060.jpg> For both read & write
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios050.jpg> Including DCIM folder
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios040.jpg> View iOS filesystem
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios030.jpg> iOS mounts on Ubuntu
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios020.jpg> Allow device access?
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios010.jpg> Trust This Computer?
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ios000.jpg> Ubuntu before iOS

Anyway, the Apple owners have no clue their devices are completely
brain dead - they're just dumb terminals - logging into the Cupertino
server mainframes just to do the most basic of tasks like messaging.

And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.

On 2024-11-23 08:16, Klaus Schadenfreude wrote:
> [Default] Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> typed:
>> Oh sure, a 2009 model desktop will run Win10 in its current iterations
>> just peachy, give me a break. You need an NVMe drive, realistically,
>> even a SATA SSD on a machine that old is gonna suck balls. You're
>> kidding yourself, to believe M$ gives a shit about you. Linux FTW.
>
> And then you can take advantage of the 100 shitty Linux apps out
> there, or run crippled versions of Windows apps using Wine!

Linux advocates have fire, there's that.

They just never realized that Linux is not really a good desktop system
while it shines at controllers, database/server, IoT, Routers/Modems,
industrial, etc.

In news:vhos42$308bv$1@news.mixmin.net, Warren <warrenf@gmail.com> typed:

> Iphones are for stupid people.

You must mean the type of people who cross-post off-topic news into unrelated
newsgroups.

Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:

>It's intereting but only we Linux folks understand iOS well.
>The Apple trolls don't know anything about anything - least of all iOS.
>
>Anyway, the Apple owners have no clue their devices are completely
>brain dead - they're just dumb terminals - logging into the Cupertino
>server mainframes just to do the most basic of tasks like messaging.
>
>And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
>industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.

Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
that it's Unix.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 11/23/24 11:35 AM, Andrew wrote:
> Joel wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:17:49 -0500 :
>
>>> As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>>> This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.
>>
>> You have low standards.

It merely depends on what & where one chooses to make a priority.

>> 10 was great for my machine, built in 2021
>> with a 10th gen i5 CPU and NVMe storage, but 11 23H2 was already
>> getting more bloated than I care to use, and I've been solidly with
>> Linux for the last year. Win10 is a dead end, and the only salvation
>> for your ancient machine would be Linux.
>
> I hear you, but I'm an octogenarian who took classes on an IBM 1130 in
> Fortran IV with card readers (the paper tape reader was still in the
> elevated-floor computer room but I never used it) and magtape racks.

You're not the only one who cut their teeth on punchcards & FORTRAN.

> Linux is fine. What's really nice is awk, sed, grep, etc., though.
> But at this point, I'm mostly using Microsoft Office & Paint.NET.

What tools are appropriate ultimately comes down to what tasks that one
is using the resources for: awk, sed, grep are fine for working on a
text file ... but just aren't useful at all to retouch a photo.
> I used to dual boot, especially when I wanted to edit files that Windows
> wouldn't let me edit but Ubunto would. Ubuntu is also great for working
> with iOS devices since iFuse works around all of Apple's restrictions.

Sure ... if one really needs/wants to go mucking that deep into the guts
of a device's operations.

> It's intereting but only we Linux folks understand iOS well.
> The Apple trolls don't know anything about anything - least of all iOS.

There's a lot less than you're hoping for. Plus there's also if the use
case merits the need to know all of the minutia. For example, cars
today have a ton of microcontrollers: without knowledge of every last
function of each of them, how has this prevented you from driving a car?

Granted, this isn't to say that knowledge isn't never useful, but
everyone has to start somewhere, and its their use cases which will
determine how in-depth (& where) that knowledge will be value-added.

> Anyway, the Apple owners have no clue their devices are completely
> brain dead - they're just dumb terminals - logging into the Cupertino
> server mainframes just to do the most basic of tasks like messaging.

Odd how much utility these devices still have without WiFi or cellular!

> And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
> industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.

Different product use cases on uptime requirements. Plus from an IT
Security perspective, isn't there also a trade-off here too?

-hh

On 2024-11-23 10:32, Joel wrote:
> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> It's intereting but only we Linux folks understand iOS well.
>> The Apple trolls don't know anything about anything - least of all iOS.
>>
>> Anyway, the Apple owners have no clue their devices are completely
>> brain dead - they're just dumb terminals - logging into the Cupertino
>> server mainframes just to do the most basic of tasks like messaging.
>>
>> And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
>> industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.
>
>
> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.

In what sense?

Who or what are the the enemy OF?

> M$ is bad enough, but at least their
> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
> that it's Unix.
>

-hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> wrote:
>On 11/23/24 11:35 AM, Andrew wrote:
>> Joel wrote on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:17:49 -0500 :
>>
>>>> As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>>>> This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.
>>>
>>> You have low standards.
>
>It merely depends on what & where one chooses to make a priority.

I saw 20H2 on my old machine, assembled in 2010, first gen i5. I
never even got to the point of installing it on an SSD for it, I had
given up on the idea for other reasons by then. Mint was great,
briefly, on the SSD, I had the system as refreshed as could be, maxed
at 16 GB RAM with a SATA SSD, great old machine for Linux, but Win10
would've sucked even with all that.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:

>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>
>In what sense?
>
>Who or what are the the enemy OF?

People who like getting value for money.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-11-23 11:32, Joel wrote:
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>
>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>
>> In what sense?
>>
>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>
>
> People who like getting value for money.
>

The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.

Next.

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news:br74kjtprmoc2pmmmhdqpmn79jnpuuuvve@4ax.com:

> Andrew <andys@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>It's intereting but only we Linux folks understand iOS well.
>>The Apple trolls don't know anything about anything - least of all iOS.
>>
>>Anyway, the Apple owners have no clue their devices are completely
>>brain dead - they're just dumb terminals - logging into the Cupertino
>>server mainframes just to do the most basic of tasks like messaging.
>>
>>And they have no idea that Apple has the worst hotfix support in the
>>industry, and while Linux hotfix support is also good, Microsoft rocks.
>
>
> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt. M$ is bad enough, but at least their
> shit is advanced on its own merits, macOS is only that to the extent
> that it's Unix.

But, but, Apple AI can rewrite a three sentence email for you and cloak
your use of social media ebonics.

Andrew wrote:

>As I said, my desktop is from 2009 and it runs Windows 10 just fine.
>This is well known information as I've posted using it for years.

Sandy Bridge quad-core or better is still a decently-fast CPU, for
most things.

--
"the COLA fanboys seem to never grok [that choice has costs]." -
lying asshole "-hh", lying shamelessly

Alan wrote:

> Joel wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>
>>> In what sense?
>>>
>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>
>> People who like getting value for money.

They are a fine value, for some fraction of the market.

>The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.

Some idiots just don't "get" the need for choice, and that all
products that remain viable in a market are, by definition, the "best
value" for some fraction the market.

That includes desktop Linux, of course.

--
'The only ones who are [using Linux] have found that there's a
compelling reason to tolerate its high level of bullshit.' - lying
asshole "-hh"

On 2024-11-23 12:18, chrisv wrote:
> Alan wrote:
>
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Alan wrote:
>>>> Joel wrote:
>>>>> Apple is the enemy, to be blunt.
>>>>
>>>> In what sense?
>>>>
>>>> Who or what are the the enemy OF?
>>>
>>> People who like getting value for money.
>
> They are a fine value, for some fraction of the market.

A very significant fraction.

>
>> The very fact that Apple's customer loyalty is absolutely outstanding
>> suggests that people think they offer excellent value for money.
>
> Some idiots just don't "get" the need for choice, and that all
> products that remain viable in a market are, by definition, the "best
> value" for some fraction the market.
>
> That includes desktop Linux, of course.
A very small fraction, sure.