Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".

How to protect oneself from fraud ?

On Mon, 6 May 2024 09:56:36 -0700, Adam wrote:
>
> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>
> How to protect oneself from fraud ?

The best advice, meaning no disrespect, is: don't be an easy mark.
Any vague call like the one you received is overwhelmingly likely to
be a scam. It's lucky you couldn't hear the numbers in the message.
If you called one of them, they would almost certainly (try to)
persuade you to reveal information that they would then use to drain
your existing accounts or open new accounts in your name, or both.

Never, never, never respond to someone who calls you about financial
matters. It is best not to speak at all in these unsolicited calls,
because they can record your voice and use it to substantiate bogus
transactions.

If the call seems to be legit, hang up (or don't answer) and call
your financial institution yourself, using the number on the back of
your card or on printed statements they have previously sent you.
Avoid googling the phone number, because you may be taken to a
spoofing site that _looks_ legit but actually directs you to a boiler
room of fraudsters.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>
> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>
> How to protect oneself from fraud ?

Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.

That solves 90% of the cases.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>
>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>
>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>
> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>
> That solves 90% of the cases.
>
Google search on the number 510-854-4017
returns this page
https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
(510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US

On 07.05.24 00:24, knuttle wrote:
> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>
>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>
>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>
>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>
>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>
> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>
> returns this page
> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>
> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US

And what does that tell you? And what is your recommendation?
The thing is that callers have no right to expect that someone picks up
a phone at the other end.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

On 05/06/2024 03:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>
>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>
>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>
>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>
>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>
> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>
> returns this page
> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>
> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>

(510) 248-4017 is another number altogether. Not sure why Google search
does that. I don't owe anyone a debt. May go to the police if they
keep calling.

But visiting...
https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-854-4017
says...
"(510) 854-4017 was a Legal Complaint Scam"

Thanks EVERYONE for responding.

On Tue, 7 May 2024 01:01:38 -0700, Adam wrote:

> On 05/06/2024 03:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to
>>>> call 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>>
>>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>>
>>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number
>>> or the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering
>>> machine.
>>>
>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>
>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>
>> returns this page https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>
>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector Name Debt Collector Location
>> Fremont, CA US
>>
>>
> (510) 248-4017 is another number altogether. Not sure why Google search
> does that. I don't owe anyone a debt. May go to the police if they
> keep calling.
>
> But visiting...
> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-854-4017 says...
> "(510) 854-4017 was a Legal Complaint Scam"
>
> Thanks EVERYONE for responding.

I had a series of harassment calls from one of those, they just don't
bother with much research and simply flood all people with the debtor's
name which can be in the hundreds. I warned them and they promptly quit
but laws should prevent this kind of abuse.

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 7 May 2024 01:01:38 -0700, Adam
<adam@no_thanks.com> wrote:

>On 05/06/2024 03:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>>>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>>
>>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>>
>>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>
>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>
>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>
>> returns this page
>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>
>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>
>
>(510) 248-4017 is another number altogether.

Only by 3 numbers. 7 are still the same. 7 out of ten is pretty good.

> Not sure why Google search
>does that.

It always returns something close if it can't find the exact match, or
if there are few of them. Very helpful when one is searching for the
wrong thing.

> I don't owe anyone a debt. May go to the police if they
>keep calling.

I doubt they'll call many times, and I double doubt the police will do
anything, and worst comes to worst, they'll change their phone number.
You could answer and have some fun with them.

>But visiting...
>https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-854-4017
>says...
>"(510) 854-4017 was a Legal Complaint Scam"
>
>Thanks EVERYONE for responding.
>

On 07.05.24 19:09, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 7 May 2024 01:01:38 -0700, Adam
> <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/06/2024 03:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>>>>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>>>
>>>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>>>
>>>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>>>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>>
>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>>
>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>>
>>> returns this page
>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>>
>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>>
>>
>> (510) 248-4017 is another number altogether.
>
> Only by 3 numbers. 7 are still the same. 7 out of ten is pretty good.

Is worth absolutely nothing. It would not be even with 9 out of 10.
Google is a scam.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

On 05/07/2024 10:23 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 07.05.24 19:09, micky wrote:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 7 May 2024 01:01:38 -0700, Adam
>> <adam@no_thanks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 05/06/2024 03:24 PM, knuttle wrote:
>>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 06.05.24 18:56, Adam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Received barely audible voice message from 510-854-4017 asking to call
>>>>>> 888-803-33x6 or 888-803-336x. Something about "pending action".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How to protect oneself from fraud ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not calling back. If they want something from you they will come back.
>>>>> Our policy is: We do not answer calls where we do not know the number or
>>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>>>
>>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>>>
>>>> returns this page
>>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>>>
>>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>>>
>>>
>>> (510) 248-4017 is another number altogether.
>>
>> Only by 3 numbers. 7 are still the same. 7 out of ten is pretty good.
>
> Is worth absolutely nothing. It would not be even with 9 out of 10.
> Google is a scam.
>

Yep, Google has been taken over by EVIL-forces somehow. Why would they
put ALL US patents online? For who?

On 07.05.24 20:39, Adam wrote:
> On 05/07/2024 10:23 AM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 07.05.24 19:09, micky wrote:
>>> Only by 3 numbers. 7 are still the same. 7 out of ten is pretty good.
>>
>> Is worth absolutely nothing. It would not be even with 9 out of 10.
>> Google is a scam.
>>
>
> Yep, Google has been taken over by EVIL-forces somehow. Why would they
> put ALL US patents online? For who?

1. Google is not taken over by evil forces. Google is the evil force.

2. Patents are by definition public.

What did you want to tell us?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2023/01/14/samsung-beats-ibm-apple-intel-google-for-2022-patent-crown-56-of-us-patents-go-to-foreign-firms/

Top 20 patent winners of 2022

Samsung: 6,248
IBM: 4,398
Taiwan Semiconductor: 3,024
Huawei: 2,836
Canon: 2,694
LG: 2,641
Qualcomm: 2,625
Intel: 2,418
Apple: 2,285
Toyota: 2,214
BOE Technology Group: 2,795
Samsung Display: 2,106
Micron Technology: 1,920
Amazon: 1,863
Microsoft: 1,815
Google: 1,548
Hyundai: 1,436
Sony: 1,397
Ericsson: 1,397
Honda: 1,346

--
"Mille viae ducunt hominem per saecula Romam." (Alanus ab Insulis 1120-1202)

On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
>
> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
> >
> > That solves 90% of the cases.
> >
> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>
> returns this page
> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>
> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US

I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).

Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
by year.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
>>
>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]
>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>
>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>
>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>
>> returns this page
>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>
>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>
> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
>
> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
> by year.
>

I noticed that Google Translate has gone downhill too.

Thoughts about open source search engine?

On 5/9/24 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
> On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
>>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
>>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
>>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
>>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
>>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
>>>
>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>>
>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>>
>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>>
>>> returns this page
>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>>
>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>
>> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
>> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
>> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
>>
>> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
>> by year.
>
> I noticed that Google Translate has gone downhill too.

I tried to learn Mandarin for a few weeks, but the fact that google was
unable to understand what I said 90% of the time convinced me that it
was hopeless. It worked for French, Spanish and German, but not
Mandarin. I am apparently reasonably good at imitating language sounds,
but not Mandarin. Or else google is not good at hearing them.

> Thoughts about open source search engine?

I wonder if Duck Duck Go just provides a front end to google.

--
Cheers, Bev
Rule 18: Always tip your hat before striking a lady.

In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 9 May 2024 18:10:42 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 5/9/24 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
>> On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
>>>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
>>>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
>>>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
>>>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>>>
>>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>>>
>>>> returns this page
>>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>>>
>>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>>
>>> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
>>> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
>>> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
>>>
>>> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
>>> by year.

Giving a hit with a partly different phone number is not an example of
gettting worse. They always have given close when they can't find
exact.
>>
>> I noticed that Google Translate has gone downhill too.

I've seen several major improvements in Google translate. For example
with one or more languages that don't use the Latin alphabet, you can
now write the word phonically *using* the Latin alphabet anyhow, saying
that the input language is the real language, and it will transliterate
to the (usually) correct spelling in the real alphabet, and then
clicking again willl translate it to English or whatever language. I
don't think they advertise this improvement, but it's great if you don't
know the other alphabet or don't know how to spell in it.

If you think they displayed a mistake, you can always, from that very
page, send a correction.

>I tried to learn Mandarin for a few weeks, but the fact that google was
>unable to understand what I said

What you said? Not what you wrote. I'm not surprised.

Chinese is notorious for small changes in tone or pitch or something
making the word mean something different.

>90% of the time convinced me that it
>was hopeless.

It might well be hopeless from google translate, but that certainly
doesn't mean it's gotten worse. They didn't even have speech to text
for any language until maybe 10 years ago, so having it at all is an
improvment. I'm sure Chinese came several years after English for
example.

> It worked for French, Spanish and German, but not

Yes, its speech to text works in English, and in my 3-week trip to
Guatemala in January it worked great for Spanish. I'd ask people to
speak into the phone and even when I couldnt' tell where one word ended
and another word began, even when his whole sentence sounded like one
long word, Google would get it and translate it correctly. When I saw
it in print, I recognized that that's what he'd said.

>Mandarin. I am apparently reasonably good at imitating language sounds,
>but not Mandarin. Or else google is not good at hearing them.

It's very difficult to say chinese right, And that might also mean it's
hard for google to hear it right. Two problems in a row.
>
>> Thoughts about open source search engine?
>
>I wonder if Duck Duck Go just provides a front end to google.

I would think so.

On 5/9/24 8:08 PM, micky wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 9 May 2024 18:10:42 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Mandarin. I am apparently reasonably good at imitating language sounds,
>>but not Mandarin. Or else google is not good at hearing them.
>
> It's very difficult to say chinese right, And that might also mean it's
> hard for google to hear it right. Two problems in a row.

Real Chinese people can tell what the word is even if the intonation is
wrong. I knew how the intonations worked, it should have been more
forgiving :-(

>>> Thoughts about open source search engine?
>>
>>I wonder if Duck Duck Go just provides a front end to google.
>
> I would think so.

--
Cheers, Bev
Rule 18: Always tip your hat before striking a lady.

On 10.05.24 05:08, micky wrote:
> Giving a hit with a partly different phone number is not an example of
> gettting worse. They always have given close when they can't find
> exact.

Zero Value. Waste of resources and time.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

On 10.5.24 2:10 am, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 5/9/24 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
>> On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
>>>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
>>>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
>>>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
>>>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
>>>>
>>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
>>>>>
>>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
>>>>
>>>> returns this page
>>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
>>>>
>>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
>>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
>>>
>>> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
>>> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
>>> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
>>>
>>> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
>>> by year.
>>
>> I noticed that Google Translate has gone downhill too.
>
> I tried to learn Mandarin for a few weeks, but the fact that google was
> unable to understand what I said 90% of the time convinced me that it
> was hopeless. It worked for French, Spanish and German, but not
> Mandarin. I am apparently reasonably good at imitating language sounds,
> but not Mandarin. Or else google is not good at hearing them.
>
>> Thoughts about open source search engine?
>
> I wonder if Duck Duck Go just provides a front end to google.
>
I believe it uses Bing mainly. It's quite useful from the security point
of view and can get rid of much of the tripe that Google produces but I
always come back to Google because the results are much more varied and
extensive.

--
Tetbury, Gloucestershire , UK

micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 9 May 2024 18:10:42 -0700, The Real Bev
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On 5/9/24 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
> >> On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
> >>>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
> >>>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
> >>>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
> >>>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
> >>>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> >>>>> [quoted text muted]
> >>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
> >>>>
> >>>> returns this page
> >>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
> >>>>
> >>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
> >>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
> >>>
> >>> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
> >>> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
> >>> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
> >>>
> >>> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
> >>> by year.
>
> Giving a hit with a partly different phone number is not an example of
> gettting worse. They always have given close when they can't find
> exact.

Indeed. Keith (Nuttle) probably didn't do an exact search, because if
you do - i.e. double quotes around the phone number - the first result
*does* list the specified number.

<https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+phone+number+%22510-854-4017%22>

-> <https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-854-1594> ->

"(510) 854-1594 is a Preapproved Loan Scam"

[...]

On 10.05.24 11:13, Bob Henson wrote:
> On 10.5.24 2:10 am, The Real Bev wrote:
>> I wonder if Duck Duck Go just provides a front end to google.
>>
> I believe it uses Bing mainly. It's quite useful from the security point
> of view and can get rid of much of the tripe that Google produces but I
> always come back to Google because the results are much more varied and
> extensive.

I use https://www.startpage.com/

Google is redundant and they even announce that they track their users.

--
"Alea iacta est." (Julius Caesar)

A little earlier, I wrote:
> micky <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
> > In comp.mobile.android, on Thu, 9 May 2024 18:10:42 -0700, The Real Bev
> > <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On 5/9/24 5:56 PM, Adam wrote:
> > >> On 05/08/2024 09:43 AM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > >>> On Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400, knuttle wrote:
> > >>>> Subject: Re: call from 510-854-4017 legit or not ?
> > >>>> Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android
> > >>>> Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 18:24:21 -0400
> > >>>> From: knuttle <keith_nuttle@yahoo.com>
> > >>>> Message-ID: <v1blam$2qgha$1@dont-email.me>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 05/06/2024 3:15 PM, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> > >>>>> [quoted text muted]
> > >>>>> the name of the caller and let them proceed to the answering machine.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> That solves 90% of the cases.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Google search on the number 510-854-4017
> > >>>>
> > >>>> returns this page
> > >>>> https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-248-4017
> > >>>>
> > >>>> (510) 248-4017 is a Debt Collector
> > >>>> Name Debt Collector Location Fremont, CA US
> > >>>
> > >>> I saw that too, and nearly posted the same thing. But I noticed in
> > >>> time that the phone number returned in the Google results is not the
> > >>> same as the phone number searched for (854 versus 248).
> > >>>
> > >>> Google searches are getting worse and worse, month by month and year
> > >>> by year.
> >
> > Giving a hit with a partly different phone number is not an example of
> > gettting worse. They always have given close when they can't find
> > exact.
>
> Indeed. Keith (Nuttle) probably didn't do an exact search, because if
> you do - i.e. double quotes around the phone number - the first result
> *does* list the specified number.
>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+phone+number+%22510-854-4017%22>
>
> -> <https://directory.youmail.com/phone/510-854-1594> ->
>
> "(510) 854-1594 is a Preapproved Loan Scam"

Oops! Sorry! Similar mistake (as Keith made). The correct number *is*
listed in the Google hit, so you have to *re-do* the search on the
YouMail site:

<https://directory.youmail.com/phone?phoneNumber=5108544017&>

"(510) 854-4017 was a Legal Complaint Scam"