If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

--
croy

croy wrote on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700 :

> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

I do it all the time, where I even pop the same SD Card into the new phone
and bring over they EXACT same app homescreen (every folder in the same
place, every app icon in the same place in every folder, etc.).

However...

It depends on a lot of things, such as an unlocked phone, the carrier
allowing it, prior setup (e.g., using a launcher with backup & formatting
the sdcard with a consistent name such as 0000-0001 or whatever, etc.).

For example...

I received a Samsung Galaxy A32-5G from T-Mobile, which I broke about a
year later and they replaced it for free and then I broke the next one and
they replaced that for free - and each time - I just popped the SIM card
and SD card out and popped it into the new phone & everything worked fine.

All this *without* using the Internet (aka cloud) to move data back &
forth; but it takes a bit of intelligent setup to accomplish it so easily.

The first time I did it, for example, the shorcuts I had made didn't carry
over; but then I learned what the problem was and fixed that for the 2nd.

In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
<croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

>If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
have it surpressed again. I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
which apps will be sending them.

What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?

On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
etc) has to be copied as well.

Motorola has a procedure for this. The new phone will guide you. Better
if you have an USB-C to USB-C cable to connect both phones. And also
better if you have a working backup.

Details vary.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:

> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?

The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
phone, not to the SIM card. Check with your cellular provider. They
should know how they track an account. Tell them which make and model
of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity

You can go into the Android setting -> General -> About phone -> Status
to see the IMEI for each of your phones. That is fixed to each phone,
and why it provides a means of tracking.

micky wrote on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 20:24:12 -0400 :

> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?

I make extensive use of shortcuts, e.g., I have an entire folder of them in
my dock, which bring up "activities" (which are pages inside of apps).

For example, I might have an app that, five levels deep perhaps, has an
"activity" (aka, a page) that I want to bring up. I make a shortcut to it.

Then, when I want to bring up that activity (aka, page inside an app), I
just tap the shortcut in my dock and up comes that activity in one tap.

Instead of five taps.

Back to the topic, the first time I set up my replacement Android phone, I
brought everything over without using the Internet (or USB cables),
including the exact same home screen, with the exact same folders, and the
exact same apps (and shortcuts!) inside that folder.

But, that first time, the shortcuts didn't work on the replacement phone.

Hence, on the next replacement phone, I learned how to bring even the
custom shortcuts over.

Pretty much, without the Internet, and without fancy tools, if you know how
Android works, everything ports over to the new phone exactly as it was on
the old. Even the sd card comes over if you're smart enough to format it
with a consistent name (aka volume label) such as "0000-0001".

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote:

>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>
> The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
> phone, not to the SIM card.

To that point, I've popped my SIM card in a variety of phones over the last
ten years & EVERY *(network unlocked) phone worked with my mobile carrier.

Am 03.09.24 um 23:00 schrieb croy:
> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>
Yes.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 04.09.24 um 02:24 schrieb micky:
> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
> <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>
> My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
> have it surpressed again. I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
> having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
> which apps will be sending them.
>
>
> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?

Are you getting senile? You have absolutely no clue how to correctly
answer questions or reply at all that your postings are in the correct
place in the tree. It is bizarre because I killfiled Andrew alias Arlen
and do not see his postings.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>
> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
> etc) has to be copied as well.

Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
Google account.

--
"Gutta cavat lapidem." (Ovid)

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, J�rg Lorenz wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, J�rg Lorenz wrote:

>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
> Google account.

Assuming he has a Google account in the first place, how does that
accomplish the task of unlocking the network if the phone is locked?

On 2024-09-04 07:13, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a
>>> Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
> Google account.

That was in the next paragraph which you have deleted.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-09-04 05:22, VanguardLH wrote:
> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>
> The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
> phone, not to the SIM card. Check with your cellular provider. They
> should know how they track an account. Tell them which make and model
> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).

I've never noticed such a thing.

I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
the data.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
>> phone, not to the SIM card. Check with your cellular provider. They
>> should know how they track an account. Tell them which make and model
>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
>
> I've never noticed such a thing.
>
> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
> the data.

Again, depends on the cellular provider. I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
that I might get later. They said No, that I couldn't just move over
the SIM card to the new phone. I had to buy another SIM card from them
(~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID. I remember
having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
(now my current/old phone). During the registration process to grant
access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
use their SIM card. They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.

Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
phone and account, and may even require a court order. They don't have
to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
they'll make you jump. You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.

https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/

While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
usually printed on the SIM card. On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number. On my ancient phone
(c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.

Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone. All
depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
determine if you can access their services.

https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/

In comp.mobile.android, on Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:12:03 +0200, Jörg Lorenz
<hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

>Am 04.09.24 um 02:24 schrieb micky:
>> In comp.mobile.android, on Tue, 03 Sep 2024 14:00:25 -0700, croy
>> <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> My guess is that any app whose notifications have been surpressed has to
>> have it surpressed again. I hate notifications and I'm not crazy about
>> having to surpress them one app at a time, in part because I don't know
>> which apps will be sending them.
>>
>>
>> What are the shortcuts that Andrew refers to?
>
>Are you getting senile? You have absolutely no clue how to correctly
>answer questions or reply at all that your postings are in the correct
>place in the tree. It is bizarre because I killfiled Andrew alias Arlen
>and do not see his postings.

People oftens recommend therapy for cases like yours. I don't know how
often it works, so please ask your family to hide any knives and guns
you might get your hands on.

On 2024-09-04 17:42, VanguardLH wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>
>>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>
>>> The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
>>> phone, not to the SIM card. Check with your cellular provider. They
>>> should know how they track an account. Tell them which make and model
>>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
>>
>> I've never noticed such a thing.
>>
>> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
>> the data.
>
> Again, depends on the cellular provider. I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
> asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
> that I might get later. They said No, that I couldn't just move over
> the SIM card to the new phone. I had to buy another SIM card from them
> (~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
> they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID. I remember
> having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
> (now my current/old phone). During the registration process to grant
> access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
> use their SIM card. They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.
>
> Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
> requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
> phone and account, and may even require a court order. They don't have
> to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
> they'll make you jump. You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
> will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
> situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.
>
> https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/
>
> While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
> phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
> ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
> usually printed on the SIM card. On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
> get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number. On my ancient phone
> (c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.
>
> Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
> simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
> you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone. All
> depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
> determine if you can access their services.
>
> https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
> https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/

Maybe the regulators here impede charging money to move to another
phone, impeding this silliness.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
> etc) has to be copied as well.

They don't have to be...

--
s|b

On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:

> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
> Google account.
I'm no fan of the cloud. I switched from Pixel 3 to Pixel 6 with the
transfer cable that came with the phone. Every app was re-installed
(some needed logging in again) and they even were in the same order on
my screen. All data (pictures, sound, video) was copied. The
step-by-step instructions were very clear and easy to follow. I don't
know if Motorola works in a similar way.

--
s|b

On 9/4/24 1:04 PM, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 07:13:17 +0200, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>
>> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
>> Google account.
>
> I'm no fan of the cloud. I switched from Pixel 3 to Pixel 6 with the
> transfer cable that came with the phone. Every app was re-installed
> (some needed logging in again) and they even were in the same order on
> my screen. All data (pictures, sound, video) was copied. The
> step-by-step instructions were very clear and easy to follow. I don't
> know if Motorola works in a similar way.

Don't know if Motorola does it too, but this is exactly what happened
when I switched from Motorola to Pixel2. Absolutely blew my mind. I
wish I'd removed the sdcard from the Motorola first, though. Now I have
a weirdly-named subdirectory with a lot of stuff that would be better
off elsewhere.

--
Cheers, Bev
"Many realize that the control of language is power. If you can't speak
your mind, your opinions have no weight." --nightfire-unique

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-09-04 17:42, VanguardLH wrote:
>> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> VanguardLH wrote:
>>>
>>>> croy <croy@spam.invalid.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>>
>>>> The IMEI for the phones is different. Some lock to the IMEI of the
>>>> phone, not to the SIM card. Check with your cellular provider. They
>>>> should know how they track an account. Tell them which make and model
>>>> of phones you have, and if they are SIM card or cardless (eSIM).
>>>
>>> I've never noticed such a thing.
>>>
>>> I just moved over the card (sometimes with a size change), then moved
>>> the data.
>>
>> Again, depends on the cellular provider. I use an MVNO (Tracfone), and
>> asked them about moving the SIM card from my old phone to a new phone
>> that I might get later. They said No, that I couldn't just move over
>> the SIM card to the new phone. I had to buy another SIM card from them
>> (~$5 USD) for the new phone, and register it with them which is when
>> they link the new phone's IMEI with their SIM card's ID. I remember
>> having to get a new SIM card from them before when I got a new phone
>> (now my current/old phone). During the registration process to grant
>> access to their service, they ask for the IMEI of the phone in which I
>> use their SIM card. They link IMEI + ICCID to my account.
>>
>> Getting your cellular carrier to track your phone on your behalf
>> requires jumping through a lot of hoops proving you're the owner of the
>> phone and account, and may even require a court order. They don't have
>> to jump through any loops to link IMEI to SIM ID (aka ICCID), but
>> they'll make you jump. You can ask the police since the mobile carriers
>> will work with them, but obviously the police get involved in criminal
>> situations, not because you lost your phone, or it was stolen.
>>
>> https://www.airdroid.com/parent-control/how-to-track-phone-using-imei-online/
>>
>> While most phones will show the IMEI somewhere under Settings -> About
>> phone -> SIM [Status|Card], not all will show you the SIM card's ID aka
>> ICCID (Integrated Circuit Identification number), a 18-22 digit number
>> usually printed on the SIM card. On some phones, you can dial *#06# to
>> get IMEI, MEID, ICCD, MSISDN, and serial number. On my ancient phone
>> (c.2016, Android 8), just the IMEI is returned.
>>
>> Because the ICCID is unique to every SIM card, mobile carriers can
>> simply track accounts to the ICCID, and not bother with the IMEI, yes,
>> you should be able to simply move the old SIM card to a new phone. All
>> depends on how a mobile carrier tracks which IDs in an account to
>> determine if you can access their services.
>>
>> https://www.infobip.com/glossary/iccid-number
>> https://onomondo.com/blog/iccid-number-explained/
>
>
> Maybe the regulators here impede charging money to move to another
> phone, impeding this silliness.

Am with you. Never had to get a new SIM card and simply moved the SIM from
one phone to the next.

If you do need a new SIM here, it's usually free.

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-09-04 07:13:

> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>
> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
> Google account.

Not all apps will be backed up in the Google Cloud.

First of all you have to enable backup at all - in "vanilla" Android
(e.g. on a Pixel device) you find this here:

Settings - System - Backup

There you can enable "Backup by Google One" which will backup *most*
apps and their data, but *not* everything! You can also select what
should be backed up.

Why do not all apps get backed up?

Some apps - for example banking apps - store login credentials in the
secure storage of the device which can not be backed up and restored to
another device for security reasons. Also some apps do not allow to
backup their data since it may be protected using DRM or is paid content
which must not be transferred to any other device but only be downloaded
using the official sources.

So eventhough many apps and settings can be restored on another Android
device using Google backp, you still may have to set up individual apps
manually.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

On 2024-09-04 21:57, s|b wrote:
> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>
> They don't have to be...

Why not? :-o

If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly
the same.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-09-08 11:25, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-09-04 07:13:
>
>> Am 04.09.24 um 03:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2024-09-03 23:00, croy wrote:
>>>> If I get another phone of the same make and model (in this case a Moto g5
>>>> Plus), can I just move the SIM card to the new phone and continue on?
>>>
>>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>>
>> Nonsense. That is all in the Google Cloud. He has just to login into the
>> Google account.
>
> Not all apps will be backed up in the Google Cloud.
>
> First of all you have to enable backup at all - in "vanilla" Android
> (e.g. on a Pixel device) you find this here:
>
> Settings - System - Backup
>
> There you can enable "Backup by Google One" which will backup *most*
> apps and their data, but *not* everything! You can also select what
> should be backed up.
>
> Why do not all apps get backed up?
>
> Some apps - for example banking apps - store login credentials in the
> secure storage of the device which can not be backed up and restored to
> another device for security reasons. Also some apps do not allow to
> backup their data since it may be protected using DRM or is paid content
> which must not be transferred to any other device but only be downloaded
> using the official sources.
>
> So eventhough many apps and settings can be restored on another Android
> device using Google backp, you still may have to set up individual apps
> manually.

And some apps have their own backup method, like whatsapp, which stores
the backup on the google account, separately.

What I don't know is if transferring usage phone to phone using the
usb-c cable bypasses the need of the backup on google for whatsapp.

The whatsapp backup is normally incomplete, it does not include videos
(and I'm unsure about photos). There is a separate tick mark.

I had to disable video backup because it then takes too long and fails.
I also had to disable encrypted backup.

If cable transfer bypasses the need for using the backup, that would be
very welcomed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 9/8/24 5:57 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>On 2024-09-04 21:57, s|b wrote:
>> On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 03:57:15 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>> Not as simple as move the SIM card. Yes, phone service will just work,
>>> but that's about it. Your apps and your data (apps, messages, photos,
>>> etc) has to be copied as well.
>>
>> They don't have to be...
>
>Why not? :-o
>
>If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly
>the same.

YMMV. When I change phones after 5+ years I will start from scratch to weed
out and get rid of all that accumulated no longer used junk (seen and
hiding) that has built up...

AJL wrote on Sun, 8 Sep 2024 15:54:10 -0000 (UTC) :

>>If I am moving to another phone, I absolutely want everything exactly
>>the same.
>
> YMMV. When I change phones after 5+ years I will start from scratch to weed
> out and get rid of all that accumulated no longer used junk (seen and
> hiding) that has built up...

As others said, everyone has differing opinions, where what I do is
periodically save the homescreen setup to a file on the sd card.

That saves everything about the homescreen (folders, icons, shortcuts,
positions, names, icons, colors, shadows, etc.) to that single file.

Then, when I get a new phone, I simply pop in that SIM card and re-load
that file. No cable is needed. Every app icon is where it belongs.

I've done this so many times, it comes naturally to me; but I understaqnd
that most people don't come up with their own systems, so they're at the
mercy of whatever MARKETING has come up for them.

Having said that, MARKETING (both Google & Samsung), and hell, even Apple,
has come up with some pretty easy ways to bring over all your apps & data.