>
> Not at all. Two charge runs from 30% to 80% are the equivalent of one
> cycle. See the point?
>
> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
> measures by the manufacturers.
>

No, I dont see the point - you have just moved the goalposts.

On 16.07.24 16:42, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:33:35 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> The fact remains that iPhones are the single most popular family of
>> smartphones out there. Bar none. And that is for a reason and has
>> pretty much nothing to do with the battery, it's capacity or endurance
>> over charge cycles.
>
> Maybe in the small town you live in but most of the world is on Android.
> https://explodingtopics.com/blog/iphone-android-users

Arlen, you are lying again. The installed base in the US is over 50%
iPhones. That is also true for several European countries.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

On 16.07.24 16:30, Bill Powell wrote:
> On 7/16/2024 4:06 PM, Theo wrote:
>> '800 times' is not 800 cycles - a cycle is full to empty. Plugging it in to
>> top up only takes a fraction of a cycle, and keeping it roughly half charged
>> causes less wear than being very full or very empty.
>
> Most new Samsung & Google phones go for a few days now on a full charge,
> especially those that are around five to seven amp hours in capacity.

Arlen, you are lying again. The iPhone is still unbeaten and everybody
knows it. You are denying facts.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

On 16.07.24 18:45, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>
>>
>> Not at all. Two charge runs from 30% to 80% are the equivalent of one
>> cycle. See the point?
>>
>> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
>> measures by the manufacturers.
>>
>
>
> No, I dont see the point - you have just moved the goalposts.

No. You seem to be an old and abandoned trolley. Simple math, dear.

--
"De gustibus non est disputandum."

On 2024-07-16 10:42, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:33:35 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> The fact remains that iPhones are the single most popular family of
>> smartphones out there.  Bar none.  And that is for a reason and has
>> pretty much nothing to do with the battery, it's capacity or endurance
>> over charge cycles.
>
> Maybe in the small town you live in but most of the world is on Android.

Read for comprehension. Yes, there are more Android - but all from
different companies.

Why Apple makes money at this and only the top few Android makers make
money.

--
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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-07-16 10:46, Jan K. wrote:
> W Tue, 16 Jul 2024 10:38:39 -0400, Alan Browne napisal:
>
>> Face it.  There are no problems with Apple iPhone battery life,
>> endurance, charge cycles, etc. that matter to the vast majority of users.
>
> No iPhone battery problems. No problem at all. Keep moving. Mind the gap.
> https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/6/24028162/apple-batterygate-payments-issued-class-action-lawsuit

Wow - another who fails to read for comprehension.

Read this part: " ...etc. that matter to the vast majority of users. "

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the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
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On 16/07/2024 17:52, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 16.07.24 18:45, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Not at all. Two charge runs from 30% to 80% are the equivalent of one
>>> cycle. See the point?
>>>
>>> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
>>> measures by the manufacturers.
>>>
>>
>>
>> No, I dont see the point - you have just moved the goalposts.
>
> No. You seem to be an old and abandoned trolley. Simple math, dear.
>

thanks for your nauseating, patronising and ageist attitude (dear)

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-16 08:38, Harry S Robins wrote:
>
>> Charge cycles are not the number of times a battery has been charged.
>
> No shit. I've snipped the rest of your post as well trodden ground.
>
> The fact remains that iPhones are the single most popular family of
> smartphones out there. Bar none.

Can you back that up?

According to this report Apple only out-shipped Samsung in 2023 for the
first time in 12 years. Plus, given 2023 was the worst year for shipments
in ten years means that there are more Samsung phones in use than Apple.
https://www.ft.com/content/57163469-8682-4897-bbb2-1a200e4711d4

> And that is for a reason and has
> pretty much nothing to do with the battery, it's capacity or endurance
> over charge cycles.
>
> Amongst friends and colleagues 90% are iPhone users and this goes back
> over 10 years and 3 or more phones per person. Tip: none changed their
> phones due to the battery.
>
> None has ever even mentioned issues with the battery.

I would absolutely love having a phone with a four or five day battery life
as we used to get in the early days of smart phones.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:35:43 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:

>> Maybe in the small town you live in but most of the world is on Android.
>
> Read for comprehension.

No. You read for comprehension.

Your credibility is worthless given every statement you make is easily
shown to be wrong. The fact you believe in bullshit is rather revealing.

> Yes, there are more Android - but all from
> different companies.

Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple (in every quarter but one).
https://qz.com/apple-iphone-samsung-smartphone-sales-idc-1851413504

> Why Apple makes money at this and only the top few Android makers make
> money.

Your credibility on Apple battery death is gone given you don't even know
that Apple had to prematurely replace 11 million iPhone6 & newer batteries.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/apple-upgraded-10-to-11-million-batteries-according-to-report.html

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:58:38 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> No iPhone battery problems. No problem at all. Keep moving. Mind the gap.
>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/6/24028162/apple-batterygate-payments-issued-class-action-lawsuit
>
> There was literally no problem with the batteries in that case that is
> not a problem for every smartphone battery.

Except that it only affected Apple & even then, only some Apple phones,
even though every Apple mobile device used the same battery chemistry.

Apple design was the problem. Apple batteries very often fail early.

On 2024-07-16 12:02, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 13:35:43 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>>> Maybe in the small town you live in but most of the world is on Android.
>>
>> Read for comprehension.
>
> No. You read for comprehension.
> Your credibility is worthless given every statement you make is easily
> shown to be wrong. The fact you believe in bullshit is rather revealing.
>
>> Yes, there are more Android - but all from different companies.
>
> Samsung alone sells more phones than Apple (in every quarter but one).
> https://qz.com/apple-iphone-samsung-smartphone-sales-idc-1851413504
>
>> Why Apple makes money at this and only the top few Android makers make
>> money.
>
> Your credibility on Apple battery death is gone given you don't even know
> that Apple had to prematurely replace 11 million iPhone6 & newer batteries.
>
> https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/apple-upgraded-10-to-11-million-batteries-according-to-report.html

So more than 5 years ago.

J�rg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:

> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
> measures by the manufacturers.

The battery capacity has the largest impact on smartphone overall life.
Guess why iPhone batteries always the smallest in any smartphone lineup.

On 2024-07-16 12:09, Mickey D wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:58:38 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> No iPhone battery problems. No problem at all. Keep moving. Mind the gap.
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/6/24028162/apple-batterygate-payments-issued-class-action-lawsuit
>>
>> There was literally no problem with the batteries in that case that is
>> not a problem for every smartphone battery.
>
> Except that it only affected Apple & even then, only some Apple phones,
> even though every Apple mobile device used the same battery chemistry.

Ummmmm... ...not true.

Battery wear affects EVERY smartphone battery.

>
> Apple design was the problem. Apple batteries very often fail early.

Not supported by the evidence, sorry.

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:12:34 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> Your credibility on Apple battery death is gone given you don't even know
>> that Apple had to prematurely replace 11 million iPhone6 & newer batteries.
>>
>> https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/apple-upgraded-10-to-11-million-batteries-according-to-report.html
>
> So more than 5 years ago.

Read for comprehension. The guy said in 10 years he's never heard of anyone
ever having an Apple battery prematurely replaced when everyone else knows
Apple announced they replaced 11 million iPhone batteries in 1 year alone.

> Amongst friends and colleagues 90% are iPhone users
> and this goes back over 10 years and 3 or more phones per person.
> Tip: none changed their phones due to the battery.
> None has ever even mentioned issues with the battery.

The guy's credibility is worthless given he's has never heard of this well
known world-wide Apple-only battery problem where Apple chintzed out on the
battery design in the iPhone a bit too much when trying to lower its life.

On 2024-07-16 12:25, Harry S Robins wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 12:12:34 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Your credibility on Apple battery death is gone given you don't even
>>> know
>>> that Apple had to prematurely replace 11 million iPhone6 & newer
>>> batteries.
>>>
>>> https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/15/apple-upgraded-10-to-11-million-batteries-according-to-report.html
>>
>> So more than 5 years ago.
>
> Read for comprehension. The guy said in 10 years he's never heard of anyone
> ever having an Apple battery prematurely replaced when everyone else knows
> Apple announced they replaced 11 million iPhone batteries in 1 year alone.

No. That is not what he said.

He didn't say he didn't know of anyone who ever had a battery
prematurely replaced.

You're putting words into his mouth... ...Arlen.

>
>  > Amongst friends and colleagues 90% are iPhone users
>  > and this goes back over 10 years and 3 or more phones per person.  >
> Tip: none changed their phones due to the battery.
>  > None has ever even mentioned issues with the battery.

Which is not the same as what you claim he said.

At the time of the 10-11 million batteries being replaced, there were
nearly a billion iPhones in use.

'Active iPhone Units
Even though Apple device sales have stagnated in the past few years, it
has added more active iPhone users every year. Apple has switched its
focus to services and other long-term revenue sources, as customers keep
their phones for longer.

2019 948 (million)'

<https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/>

So battery replacement was about 1 in a THOUSAND.

>
> The guy's credibility is worthless given he's has never heard of this well
> known world-wide Apple-only battery problem where Apple chintzed out on the
> battery design in the iPhone a bit too much when trying to lower its life.

Your credibility is worthless by virtue of (again) lying about what
someone had said.

On 2024-07-16 12:13, Peter wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
>> measures by the manufacturers.
>
> The battery capacity has the largest impact on smartphone overall life.

The battery capacity in relation to the power usage of the smartphone.

On 16.07.24 21:13, Peter wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>
>> That also highlights the value of a large battery and energy saving
>> measures by the manufacturers.
>
> The battery capacity has the largest impact on smartphone overall life.
> Guess why iPhone batteries always the smallest in any smartphone lineup.

That is utter bullshit, Arlen: The ratio between battery size and
consumption is the only relevant figure.

A typical Arlen lie or he does not understand these relationships which
is very probable.

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On 2024-07-16, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 08:58:38 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> No iPhone battery problems. No problem at all. Keep moving. Mind the
>>> gap.
>>> https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/6/24028162/apple-batterygate-payments-issued-class-action-lawsuit
>>
>> There was literally no problem with the batteries in that case that
>> is not a problem for every smartphone battery.
>
> Except that it only affected Apple

Liar. Samsung was fined at the same time:
https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-slow-down-fine-2018-917806/

> & even then, only some Apple phones,

Liar. It affected all iPhones running iOS 10.2.1 and later which is when
the feature was introduced.

> Apple design was the problem.

Nope. No evidence of that baseless assertion.

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On 16 Jul 2024 22:57:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> Except that it only affected Apple
>
> Liar. Samsung was fined at the same time:
> https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-slow-down-fine-2018-917806/

Apple was charged with both criminal and civil crimes, almost all of which
Apple had to settle for a total of well over 100 times that Samsung fine.

Even that same Italian watchdog group charged Apple twice that of Samsung.
https://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/27/apple-fined-in-italy-for-poor-communication-around-warranty-poli/

Interesting how often Apple breaks the law.
https://en.agcm.it/en/media/press-releases/

>> & even then, only some Apple phones,
>
> Liar. It affected all iPhones running iOS 10.2.1 and later which is when
> the feature was introduced.

Think about what you just said.
>> Apple design was the problem.
>
> Nope. No evidence of that baseless assertion.

Think about what you just said given everyone knows it didn't happen until
Apple updated the iOS & then, wham! It happened because of the iOS changes.

On 2024-07-16 21:33, Mickey D wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2024 22:57:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Except that it only affected Apple
>>
>> Liar. Samsung was fined at the same time:
>> https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-slow-down-fine-2018-917806/
>
> Apple was charged with both criminal and civil crimes, almost all of which
> Apple had to settle for a total of well over 100 times that Samsung fine.

So the size of the fine is important...

....why exactly?

And:

1. Apple might have been charged with something criminal...

....but they were never found guilty.

2. "Civil crimes" aren't a thing.

>
> Even that same Italian watchdog group charged Apple twice that of Samsung.
> https://www.tuaw.com/2011/12/27/apple-fined-in-italy-for-poor-communication-around-warranty-poli/

What a complete deflection.

>
> Interesting how often Apple breaks the law.
> https://en.agcm.it/en/media/press-releases/

I can't see a single article that mentions "Apple".

Le 16/07/2024 à 17:37, Abandoned Trolley a écrit :
> I keep forgetting

You have Alzheimer's.

--
Ottavio Caruso

On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:16:50 -0700, Alan wrote:

>> Interesting how often Apple breaks the law.
>> https://en.agcm.it/en/media/press-releases/
>
> I can't see a single article that mentions "Apple".

Either you're blind, stupid, a liar, or you didn't click on the page.
Or all of the above.

11/05/2023 A561-A561B - Italian Competition Authority: Investigation opened
against Apple for alleged abuse of dominant position in the app market
17/12/2021 I842 - Italian Competition Authority: the fines applied against
Amazon and Apple for anticompetitive agreements have been redetermined
26/11/2021 PS11147-PS11150 - ICA: $20 million sanctions against Google and
Apple for commercial use of user data
22/11/2021 PS12131-PS12183-PS12184-PS12185-PS12186-PS12187 - Italian
Competition Authority: investigations have been started on the NutriScore
labelling system and the Yuka app
30/11/2020 PS11578 - ICA: Apple fined 10 million for misleading and
aggressive commercial practices
07/09/2020 CV194-CV195-CV196-PS11147-PS11149-PS11150 - Antitrust:
Investigations launched against Google, Apple and Dropbox for their cloud
computing services
22/07/2020 I842 - ICA: investigation launched against Apple and Amazon for
banning the sale of Apple- and Beats-branded products to retailers who do
not join the official programme
21/04/2020 PS11746 - ICA-Authority asks the operators of the major search
engines and browsers to take action against unauthorised online sales of
COVID-19 drugs
24/10/2018 PS11009-PS11039 - Apple and Samsung fined for software updates
that have caused serious troubles and/or have reduced functionality of some
mobile phones
18/01/2018 Proceedings initiated against Samsung and Apple for smartphone
software updates
30/12/2011 Consumer protection: in 2011, proceedings concluded with over 12
million euros in sanctions
27/12/2011 Apple group fined 900 thousand euros for unfair commercial
practices

On 2024-07-17, Mickey D <mickeydavis078XX@ptd.net> wrote:
> On 16 Jul 2024 22:57:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> Except that it only affected Apple
>>
>> Liar. Samsung was fined at the same time:
>> https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-slow-down-fine-2018-917806/
>
> Apple was charged with both criminal and civil crimes, almost all of
> which Apple had to settle for a total of well over 100 times that
> Samsung fine.

Your claim that it only affected Apple is bullshit, little Arlen.

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On 2024-07-17, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-07-16 21:33, Mickey D wrote:
>> On 16 Jul 2024 22:57:46 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>>> Except that it only affected Apple
>>>
>>> Liar. Samsung was fined at the same time:
>>> https://www.androidauthority.com/samsung-slow-down-fine-2018-917806/
>>
>> Apple was charged with both criminal and civil crimes, almost all of
>> which Apple had to settle for a total of well over 100 times that
>> Samsung fine.
>
> So the size of the fine is important...
>
> ...why exactly?

So he can try to move the goal post.

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On 2024-07-17 08:57, Mickey D wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 23:16:50 -0700, Alan wrote:
>
>>> Interesting how often Apple breaks the law.
>>> https://en.agcm.it/en/media/press-releases/
>>
>> I can't see a single article that mentions "Apple".
>
> Either you're blind, stupid, a liar, or you didn't click on the page.
> Or all of the above.

You presented a link to a page that didn't contain the word "Apple"...

....and you're suggesting I have to go digging for it?

>
> 11/05/2023 A561-A561B - Italian Competition Authority: Investigation opened
> against Apple for alleged abuse of dominant position in the app market

"Alleged"

> 17/12/2021 I842 - Italian Competition Authority: the fines applied against
> Amazon and Apple for anticompetitive agreements have been redetermined

In which direction?

> 26/11/2021 PS11147-PS11150 - ICA: $20 million sanctions against Google and
> Apple for commercial use of user data

You should read this one.

It's complete bullshit.

> 22/11/2021 PS12131-PS12183-PS12184-PS12185-PS12186-PS12187 - Italian
> Competition Authority: investigations have been started on the NutriScore
> labelling system and the Yuka app

No mention of Apple.

> 30/11/2020 PS11578 - ICA: Apple fined 10 million for misleading and
> aggressive commercial practices
> 07/09/2020 CV194-CV195-CV196-PS11147-PS11149-PS11150 - Antitrust:
> Investigations launched against Google, Apple and Dropbox for their cloud
> computing services

An investigation is no proof that any law was broeken.

> 22/07/2020 I842 - ICA: investigation launched against Apple and Amazon for
> banning the sale of Apple- and Beats-branded products to retailers who do
> not join the official programme

Same point.

> 21/04/2020 PS11746 - ICA-Authority asks the operators of the major search
> engines and browsers to take action against unauthorised online sales of
> COVID-19 drugs

And? How is this an example of Apple breaking the law?

> 24/10/2018 PS11009-PS11039 - Apple and Samsung fined for software updates
> that have caused serious troubles and/or have reduced functionality of some
> mobile phones

What LAW was supposedly broken?

> 18/01/2018 Proceedings initiated against Samsung and Apple for smartphone
> software updates

What LAW?

> 30/12/2011 Consumer protection: in 2011, proceedings concluded with over 12
> million euros in sanctions
> 27/12/2011 Apple group fined 900 thousand euros for unfair commercial
> practices

Weak sauce.