On 6/21/24 18:52, The Real Bev wrote:

> I grew up in a lower-middle-class minority neighborhood.  Daughter grew
> up in nice middle-class neighborhood.  Her daughter grew up in a nice
> upper-mddle-class neighborhood.  Daughter says I got a better education
> that she did and hers was better than her daughter's -- and she was
> heavily involved in the schools as a substitute teacher and PTA president.

I can relate to all kinds of 'hoods but this is about a very uppity one:

Probably the most expensive private school that I know of around here
($55k/annum/student) is now teaching Mandarin as the ONLY second
language to all its students regardless of their mother tongue and
regardless of any 'official languages'. The writing is on the bathroom
walls so to speak. Oh yeah, no cell-phones, no tablets, no stupefaction.

In comp.mobile.android, on Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:52:11 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Not all progress is good.

And yet they still call it progress.

On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Not all progress is good.
>
> And yet they still call it progress.

It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.

--
Cheers, Bev
Is it sick to think that 'Commando' is a really fun movie?

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:

> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Not all progress is good.
>>
>> And yet they still call it progress.
>
> It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.

Woke "progress" in "schools" is an unwanted bowel movement to be flushed.

Who is going to hire someone with a minor in business and a major in
"gender studies"? Who is going to pay for this worthless degree? The
American public is thanks to the Joe Biden and Kamala Harris student
loan forgiveness.

On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 6/21/24 2:00 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-21 12:05, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> On 6/20/24 5:51 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-19 14:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>> On 6/19/24 11:14 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even back in the 70's our primary school office could intercom
>>>>>> the class when a parent called. "Please send Jimmy to the
>>>>>> office." Teacher wouldn't do anything - Jimmy would just go.
>>>>>
>>>>> Each school could install jammers.
>>>>
>>>> Illegal.
>>>
>>> Rescind the law.  Make exceptions for schools.  It's not like the
>>> legislature is doing anything valuable with its time.
>>
>> No exceptions.  Radio spectrum is highly protected for various reasons,
>> in particular because of emergency calling.
>>
>> And of course your notion is silly - as you would want teachers to be
>> able to call during an emergency, or perhaps directly receive emergency
>> communications from a parent.
>
> Everybody and his dog has a land line.  Do you mean to tell me that
> schools rely solely on cell communication?  Are you old enough to drink?
>  What part of 'Call the school and pass on a message' do you not
> understand?  If it's not important enough to disrupt a class than maybe
> it isn't an emergency after all.

You are definitely in a confused state.

I was replying to your notion about jamming. Jamming is illegal.

Teachers may need to call out from their classroom.

In any school I went to there were no landlines in the classrooms, only
in the front offices - and expect it's little different now.

>>> Do they actually exist?  Who buys them?  If there's already a thriving
>>> community of criminals, why not let schools join the group?
>>
>> Yes - truckers like them (GPS jammers) so their company can't see where
>> they're at.
>> One trucker was thus fined over $30K for it.  Good!
>>
>> The FCC has been cracking down on vendors too (GPS and cell).
>
> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
> outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is

You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
service. You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
school.

This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

> far less important than the fact that students' attention is on their
> phones instead of whatever they're supposed to be doing in school.
>
> OTOH, given the quality of California schools now, perhaps it's just a
> wash.

The GOP war on public schools will only end when public schools are
nothing but a holding pen for those who can't afford private schools or
are willing to go to parochial school to get Jesused. Climate change
doesn't happen there and the earth is 6500 years old and people roamed
the earth with dinosaurs... (at least it's round ... they get that bit
right).

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not all progress is good.
>>>
>>> And yet they still call it progress.
>>
>> It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.
>
> "Woke"

ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:

>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
>> outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is
>
> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
> school.
>
> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.

Rewrite:
This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
>>> outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is
>>
>> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
>> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
>> school.
>>
>> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.
>
> Rewrite:
> This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.

I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
devise ways to use them. When a phone is discovered, is the teacher
empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner? What if
the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
"Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
weight it once did.

Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
they do something stupid. Why should phones be any different?

Change the law to allow jamming in schools. Period.

--
Cheers, Bev
That's my opinion. Ought to be yours.

On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:47:24 -0400, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
>>
>> "Woke"
>
> ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
> flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

+!

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:27:38 -0400, bad sector
<forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:

>On 6/21/24 18:52, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> I grew up in a lower-middle-class minority neighborhood.  Daughter grew
>> up in nice middle-class neighborhood.  Her daughter grew up in a nice
>> upper-mddle-class neighborhood.  Daughter says I got a better education
>> that she did and hers was better than her daughter's -- and she was
>> heavily involved in the schools as a substitute teacher and PTA president.
>
>I can relate to all kinds of 'hoods but this is about a very uppity one:
>
>Probably the most expensive private school that I know of around here
>($55k/annum/student) is now teaching Mandarin as the ONLY second

Is this because they think the Chinese will be a force to be reckoned
with, in trade at least, and diplomacy, like Russian was encouraged 30
years ago?

It would be a problem for me, though, if I had a kid. I have no desire
for my kid to learn Chinese, since he plans to be a professional blogger
when he grows up.

>language to all its students regardless of their mother tongue and
>regardless of any 'official languages'. The writing is on the bathroom
>walls so to speak. Oh yeah, no cell-phones, no tablets, no stupefaction.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 22 Jun 2024 08:16:32 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
>>>> outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is
>>>
>>> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
>>> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
>>> school.
>>>
>>> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.
>>
>> Rewrite:
>> This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.
>
>I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
>devise ways to use them. When a phone is discovered, is the teacher
>empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner? What if
>the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
>"Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
>weight it once did.
>
>Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
>they do something stupid. Why should phones be any different?

To be fair, the guns are discovered when the people take them out. So
too phones would be discovered when they take them out, or start talking
to themselves (it seems). If they never use them, if they are only for
a real emergency (a real and serious one, though I think those are very
very rare), I wouldn't object to their having them.

>Change the law to allow jamming in schools. Period.

I can't find it but I heard a story this morning about a kid taking the
SAT, I think, who had a button camera on his shirt, a wifi set up in his
shoe, and he would photograph the questions, transmit it someone or
something, that wouuld reply with ansers that got converted to sound and
played in his ear. He was caught. Does anyone have a link to this?

it shows what some will do.

Amazing how many there are
https://www.google.com/search?q=camera+in+shirt+button

Most of them are well over $100, but everyone wants to do well on the
SATs. :-)

The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication that
>>>> outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying' thing is
>>>
>>> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
>>> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while at
>>> school.
>>>
>>> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.
>>
>> Rewrite:
>> This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.
>
> I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
> devise ways to use them. When a phone is discovered, is the teacher
> empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner? What if
> the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
> "Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
> weight it once did.

You'd be surprised. If the school team work together and support each
other.

> Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
> they do something stupid. Why should phones be any different?

Teachers shouldn't be scared of pupils. That's the main problem here; lack
of authority.

Any kind of weapon should be reported to the police and result in a severe
talking to for the kid and their parents.

> Change the law to allow jamming in schools. Period.

It doesn't address the issue of authority and engaging the kids and their
parents.

Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all progress is good.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they still call it progress.
>>>
>>> It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.
>>
>> "Woke"
>
> ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
> flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

That's because it has no meaning.

On 6/22/24 08:47, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not all progress is good.
>>>>
>>>> And yet they still call it progress.
>>>
>>> It's just movement;  the direction is unspecified.
>>
>> "Woke"
>
> ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
> flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.

Other than intellectual antimatter, on the appearance side butches and
pretty *barbie-boys* seem to dominate the scene.

On 6/22/24 13:58, micky wrote:
> In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 21 Jun 2024 19:27:38 -0400, bad sector
> <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
>
>> On 6/21/24 18:52, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>> I grew up in a lower-middle-class minority neighborhood.  Daughter grew
>>> up in nice middle-class neighborhood.  Her daughter grew up in a nice
>>> upper-mddle-class neighborhood.  Daughter says I got a better education
>>> that she did and hers was better than her daughter's -- and she was
>>> heavily involved in the schools as a substitute teacher and PTA president.
>>
>> I can relate to all kinds of 'hoods but this is about a very uppity one:
>>
>> Probably the most expensive private school that I know of around here
>> ($55k/annum/student) is now teaching Mandarin as the ONLY second
>
> Is this because they think the Chinese will be a force to be reckoned
> with, in trade at least, and diplomacy, like Russian was encouraged 30
> years ago?

If I wanted investment advice I'd go to the people who got fat on the
stock-market or on speculation. The parents of these kids sure knew how
to get rich and one can only presume that that has something to do with it.

I Europe you used to be able to get any business done in German, other
things in French, English weighing in big-time only after the war
(thanks not to England but to the US). Today Russian is still very much
on the rise with Chinese on its heels. This will likely be even more so
in the future unless they lose a war. Already quadrilingual I've been
learning guitar to forestall brain-rot with advancing age but once I get
my music thing off training wheels the next 'mind-stretcher' is sure to
be Mandarin (because you always have to be learning something totally new).

> It would be a problem for me, though, if I had a kid. I have no desire
> for my kid to learn Chinese, since he plans to be a professional blogger
> when he grows up.

My sincerest sympathies, seeing the the kid you don't have wants to be a
blogger.

>> language to all its students regardless of their mother tongue and
>> regardless of any 'official languages'. The writing is on the bathroom
>> walls so to speak. Oh yeah, no cell-phones, no tablets, no stupefaction.

On 6/19/24 12:49, Chris wrote:
> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>> On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:
>>> The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones
>>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead
>>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.
>>>
>>
>>> “Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
>>> Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
>>> situations and to maintain access to family, she said.
>>>
>>>
>>> At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as
>>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
>>> only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”
>>>
>>> For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.
>>>
>>
>> She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
>> other schools and many may now follow.
>
> Already happened in France
> https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948
>

https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/chroniques/2024-06-23/madame-julie-s-en-va-heureuse.php?sharing=true

The above (in French) is the view of a teacher
who's just retiring, pretty depressing! But the
dilemma arises not from the phones and pads (as
hardware) but from what they run so one altenative
might be to outlaw the digital giants, as many
intend to do and as some have already done. This
would require the industry making money selling
hardware to protect their turf by turning on faecesbook
and the like to show them what their 'business model'
looks like in the parking lot turned upside down.

bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
> On 6/19/24 12:49, Chris wrote:
>> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>>> On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:
>>>> The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban cellphones
>>>> all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from learning, lead
>>>> to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> “Very furious,” is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
>>>> Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
>>>> situations and to maintain access to family, she said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as
>>>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often provide
>>>> only QR codes, for which “you can’t use your laptop.”
>>>>
>>>> For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.
>>>>
>>>
>>> She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
>>> other schools and many may now follow.
>>
>> Already happened in France
>> https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948
>>
>
> https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/chroniques/2024-06-23/madame-julie-s-en-va-heureuse.php?sharing=true
>
>
> The above (in French) is the view of a teacher
> who's just retiring, pretty depressing!

Not from my reading. It's a simple biography without much of substance
other than "things ain't what they used to be". That's hardly rocket
science. Of course things will change after 34 years of doing the same job.

>But the
> dilemma arises not from the phones and pads (as
> hardware) but from what they run so one altenative
> might be to outlaw the digital giants, as many
> intend to do and as some have already done.

Or we take the teaching to where the kids are at. Not stick to outmoded
methods which aren't realistic anymore.

Too much screen time is bad, but there are potential benefits to be
grabbed.

On 6/19/24 12:49, Chris wrote:
> Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
>> On 6/19/2024 5:09 AM, Thyme Four Kneegrow Knewz wrote:
>>> The Los Angeles school board Tuesday set in motion a plan to ban
>>> cellphones all day on campus, saying the devices distract students from
>>> learning, lead to anxiety and allow cyberbullying.
>>>
>>> "Very furious," is how Helen Ho, 16, a rising junior at Narbonne High in
>>> Harbor City, described her reaction. Students need phones for emergency
>>> situations and to maintain access to family, she said.
>>>
>>> At school, she said, she uses her phone for educational purposes, such as
>>> applying to programs or accessing information from fliers that often
>>> provide only QR codes, for which "you can't use your laptop."
>>>
>>> For her, a phone is a source of connection and stability.
>>
>> She can do that stuff after school. This ban has been discussed by
>> other schools and many may now follow.
>
> Already happened in France
> https://news.sky.com/story/french-schools-ban-mobile-phones-as-parents-say-the-uk-should-be-next-11489948
>

In New Zealand, the cellphone ban became law with start of the new
school term at the end of April this year ...

School cellphone ban: What you need to know
-------------------------------------------
The second school term began on 29 April - and so did the
government's official ban on cellphones in schools. It was
a policy National promised to deliver during the election
if it was elected into government. Prime Minister
Christopher Luxon celebrated the day, posting "Happy No
Phones in School Day" to social media.

<https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/515550/school-cellphone-ban-what-you-need-to-know>

The ban here includes during playtime / breaks and lunchtime, so some
kids have started using walkie-talkies instead to contact their friends
in other classrooms during breaks, while most others just use email,
etc. on the laptop or tablet device that schools ridiculously insist
parents have to buy.

On 2024-06-22 11:16, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>>
>>>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication
>>>> that outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying'
>>>> thing is
>>>
>>> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
>>> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while
>>> at school.
>>>
>>> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.
>>
>> Rewrite:
>> This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.
>
> I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
> devise ways to use them.  When a phone is discovered, is the teacher
> empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner?  What if
> the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
> "Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
> weight it once did.

Action against breaking the rules doesn't have to be immediate.

When the kid has to explain to his parents that's he's been suspended
from school for the balance of the week ... that is the active part.

(Or whatever punishment the school devises).

> Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
> they do something stupid.  Why should phones be any different?

You're looking for perfect cases. Sure, the odd phone will get into the
school. And because it's rare, it will more likely be discovered and
action taken.

> Change the law to allow jamming in schools.  Period.

No. Why put others at risk just to solve one problem? Your solution is
drastic where less drastic solutions are demonstrated to exist and not
only function well, but have collateral benefits.

Jamming is illegal for good reason.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-22 14:34, Chris wrote:
> Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>> On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not all progress is good.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet they still call it progress.
>>>>
>>>> It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.
>>>
>>> "Woke"
>>
>> ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
>> flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.
>
> That's because it has no meaning.

I woke this morning from a very pleasant sleep.

So there.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 2024-06-23 17:21, Chris wrote:

> science. Of course things will change after 34 years of doing the same job.

In high school we had the usual spectrum of teachers including a few who
were still teaching from their "plan" that was 20+ years old.
Thankfully they were in the minority. Best seemed to be the science
teachers. Worst was history (perhaps).

My sister mentioned a prank where the kids found a teacher's plan and
swiped it, and despite his decades of plying his trade, refused to teach
class without it.

--
"It would be a measureless disaster if Russian barbarism overlaid
the culture and independence of the ancient States of Europe."
Winston Churchill

On 6/23/24 17:21, Chris wrote:
> bad sector <forgetski@_INVALID.net> wrote:
t the
>> dilemma arises not from the phones and pads (as
>> hardware) but from what they run so one altenative
>> might be to outlaw the digital giants, as many
>> intend to do and as some have already done.
>
> Or we take the teaching to where the kids are at. Not stick to outmoded
> methods which aren't realistic anymore.
>
> Too much screen time is bad, but there are potential benefits to be
> grabbed.

Having tablets belonging to and programmed by the school and mirrored to
the students' own is probably a very good idea but I'm no pedagogue and
that's likely for them to call. All academic content should be decided
by the teachers/state/parents triad. I was very fortunate all my life
having had really excellent teachers (except the odd loser).

Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 14:34, Chris wrote:
>> Alan Browne <singularity@blackhole.org> wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-22 02:51, Nikos Aliagas wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:v55frl$3itu4$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/21/24 6:56 PM, micky wrote:
>>>>>> <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not all progress is good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet they still call it progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just movement; the direction is unspecified.
>>>>
>>>> "Woke"
>>>
>>> ROFL - I've yet to meet anyone who can even define the word despite
>>> flinging it about to demonstrate nous - and failing like you did.
>>
>> That's because it has no meaning.
>
> I woke this morning from a very pleasant sleep.

Touché :)

> So there.

:p

On 6/24/24 8:09 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-06-22 11:16, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 6/22/24 5:49 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-06-22 08:42, Alan Browne wrote:
>>>> On 2024-06-21 18:46, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Laws can be changed.  I can see NO benefit of cell communication
>>>>> that outweighs the damage to students that they do. The 'bullying'
>>>>> thing is
>>>>
>>>> You don't solve the "students with cell phones" by jamming the cell
>>>> service.  You solve it by having them give up the cell phones while
>>>> at school.
>>>>
>>>> This has been done in dozens of places, to well and effectively.
>>>
>>> Rewrite:
>>> This has been done in dozens of places, well and effectively.
>>
>> I posit that some/many/most students will sneak their phones in and
>> devise ways to use them.  When a phone is discovered, is the teacher
>> empowered to wrest it from the clutching hands of the owner?  What if
>> the student is much larger and heavier and stronger than the teacher?
>> "Go to the Principal's office immediately" doesn't seem to carry the
>> weight it once did.
>
> Action against breaking the rules doesn't have to be immediate.
>
> When the kid has to explain to his parents that's he's been suspended
> from school for the balance of the week ... that is the active part.
>
> (Or whatever punishment the school devises).
>
>> Kids also bring guns and knives to school and are only discovered if
>> they do something stupid.  Why should phones be any different?
>
> You're looking for perfect cases. Sure, the odd phone will get into the
> school. And because it's rare, it will more likely be discovered and
> action taken.
>
>> Change the law to allow jamming in schools.  Period.
>
> No. Why put others at risk just to solve one problem? Your solution is
> drastic where less drastic solutions are demonstrated to exist and not
> only function well, but have collateral benefits.

What risk? Presumably the jammer has a switch, to be used in case of
alien invasion or active shooter. How did people deal with emergencies
before cellphones? You call the school and The Office Lady does
something. Alternate -- the kid goes to the office and asks The Office
Lady to call his parents.

> Jamming is illegal for good reason.

Are you telling me that Law Enforcement never does it?

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On 2024-06-25 11:30, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 6/24/24 8:09 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-06-22 11:16, The Real Bev wrote:

>>> Change the law to allow jamming in schools.  Period.
>>
>> No.  Why put others at risk just to solve one problem?  Your solution is
>> drastic where less drastic solutions are demonstrated to exist and not
>> only function well, but have collateral benefits.
>
> What risk?  Presumably the jammer has a switch, to be used in case of
> alien invasion or active shooter.  How did people deal with emergencies
> before cellphones?  You call the school and The Office Lady does
> something.  Alternate -- the kid goes to the office and asks The Office
> Lady to call his parents.

Which is why jamming is not needed. Kids w/o cell phones in the school
can still go to the front office; or the front office can call them on
the intercom when the parents call in.

>
>> Jamming is illegal for good reason.
>
> Are you telling me that Law Enforcement never does it?

Very rarely (if at all) as they are subject to FCC laws where radio use
is employed. (Though I have heard the USSS does use it in some
situations where moving the President around "requires it").

But please do prove me wrong.

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